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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: scottfrick on December 09, 2011, 09:43:11 PM

Title: Rifle question
Post by: scottfrick on December 09, 2011, 09:43:11 PM: Does a 30-06 kick more or less than a 7mm remington mag??? Going to be getting my wife a new rifle and one of these calibers is what she wants. She already has a 270, Just wants to add another gun to the list.
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Post by: 6x6in6 on December 09, 2011, 09:44:40 PM: Less
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 09, 2011, 09:45:51 PM: It depends on load/rifle weight, but generally it is just a little less.
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Post by: FC on December 09, 2011, 09:48:35 PM: 7mm mag kicks harder than 30 06 but if she handles her 270 well I wouldn't worry about it, 30 06 is almost like doubling up when she already has the 270 anyway.
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Post by: passing-thru on December 09, 2011, 09:49:13 PM: Depends on gun. My 16 y/o daughter shoots 7mm mag. I've had 30-06 kick the bejesus out of me. :twocents:
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Post by: Huntbear on December 09, 2011, 09:53:32 PM: Quote from: scottfrick on December 09, 2011, 09:43:11 PM
Does a 30-06 kick more or less than a 7mm remington mag??? Going to be getting my wife a new rifle and one of these calibers is what she wants. She already has a 270, Just wants to add another gun to the list.

It all depends on the fit of the gun. IF a gun is FIT properly to the shooter, it will feel like it recoils substantially less. So in reality a 7 mm mag. can feel like it recoils less. But for the record, a 7 mm mag does produce more ft. lbs. of recoil than an 06.
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Post by: C-Money on December 09, 2011, 09:55:42 PM: 270win is a great meat on the table cartridge. Be careful she dosent develop a flinch shooting the bigeer cartridges. My wife shoots a 7mm-08 and does great!
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Post by: 400out on December 09, 2011, 10:22:46 PM: Nothing wrong with a 06! perfect gun (kids,girls,boys all around) 270's are good for the gun safe that's it! :twocents:
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 09, 2011, 11:33:09 PM: 7mm-08 or 270 win would be my pick :tup: If she is going more for deer the 7mm-08. If she is planning on hunting more elk I would go to the 270 win. Both will kill any animal around here :tup:
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Post by: bobcat on December 09, 2011, 11:46:12 PM: If she wants a 30-06 get her a 30-06. Can't go wrong. 7 mag might be just a bit much. For minimal recoil use 150 grain bullets, or there's even the option of the "managed recoil" loads that Remington sells. I think it's a 125 grain bullet at a reduced velocity but still plenty good for deer out to 200 yards. For elk you could go with a 130 grain Barnes. Lots of options with the 30-06, and cheap factory ammo if you're not a handloader.
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Post by: Curly on December 10, 2011, 06:54:39 AM: Just get her both. If the 7 mag is too much recoil, then it becomes your rifle. It's a win-win...... :twocents:
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Post by: 7mag. on December 10, 2011, 10:33:18 AM: I have both. My 7mag. is a Win. mod. 70 with a 24" barrel and my 30.06 is a Ruger M77 MKII mountain rifle with a light weight stock and a 20" barrel. The 30.06 kicks harder. It all depends on the rifle, weight, barrel length, etc. If she holds the rifle right, recoil shouldn't bother her much with either.
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Post by: cohoho on December 10, 2011, 10:38:00 AM: My 7mm kicked so much I got a runny nose every time I fired a half a box out of it. Enjoyed shooting my .338 and .375 more... :yike: Not sure why but the Winchester model 70 was a super hard kicking 7mm... Wierd it was like a quick close punch versus a hard push if I had to describe it.
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Post by: Jingles on December 10, 2011, 10:46:25 AM: While I have never shot the 7 mag I do shoot my 06 extensively and can say a lot of the kick depends on the load more than the gun because My son and I have the same rifle and mine kicks like a mule but with the hand loads I make both kick pretty much the same with the same load I normally shoot 3.5 grains heavier than he does and I am pretty sure that is the reason.
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Post by: bobcat on December 10, 2011, 10:50:43 AM: The 7mm magnum is going to kick harder than the 30-06, with everything else being equal (rifle weight, stock configuration, bullet weight, etc.)

The bigger case simply burns more powder and therefore will produce more recoil. Not enough difference to really notice though.
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Post by: brokenvet on December 10, 2011, 10:57:41 AM: 30.06 will recoil less. However the type of firearm, light or heavy, you have will in crease or decrease recoil.

Got a 7mm Mag pass down to me. It's been 25 years since I last shot it, I just do not see the need for magnum caliber to hunt the NW unless your going or the great bears year after year. Well I am bias because I am a non magnum fan.

Might be best to take her out to shoot a 7mm Mag first and see if she like it.
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Post by: scottfrick on December 10, 2011, 12:12:39 PM: THanks everyone for the great information!!! I appreciate everyones opinions!!!
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Post by: high country on December 11, 2011, 05:35:00 PM: Quote from: JKEEN33 on December 10, 2011, 10:41:37 AM
I once had a gunsmith tell me that the order in which the barrel was cut makes a big difference also. You can have two of the same rifles next to each other and one will kick hard the other not so bad. He said they cut the barrels with the same tool XX amounts of times. If you are the first barrel with the tool you are a great fit with less recoil. If you are the last cut the tool has worn and you are going to have more kick. Not sure how true this is, but sounded good to me.

This topic came up when I was looking at a 270 that had come back to his shop 3 times due to the kick it had. No one wanted to shoot it.

Forget what he told you. It may apply slightly to velocity, but recoil can be calculated mathmatically...rifle weight, powder volume, bullet weight and velocity.....the rest is just math.
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Post by: high country on December 11, 2011, 05:37:11 PM: What does your wife hope to change? The 270 is so stinking close to both that it is not much of an improvement in performance. If looking for the wow factor, look at a 257roy.
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Post by: scottfrick on December 12, 2011, 03:43:07 PM: Just wanting to add another rifle to the list. the 270 is her only rifle. The tikka t3s are extremely light and will be very nice for when we go on long hikes.
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Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 03:53:11 PM: You could just get her another 270 then, if she just wants a different rifle.
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Post by: Curly on December 12, 2011, 03:56:57 PM: If it is a T3 that you're getting her, I think a 30-06 or 7mm mag would kick a lot for a lady. Maybe a .308 or 7mm-08 instead. :twocents:
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Post by: scottfrick on December 12, 2011, 03:58:12 PM: i'll be getting the 270. We dont want to get two of the same exact guns so she decided to go one up. So the point of this thread was just asking what caliber she should get above a 270 that she can still shoot and enjoy rather than getting the pissed knocked out of her each time she shot it.
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Post by: scottfrick on December 12, 2011, 04:01:47 PM: but now you got me thinking bobcat. Thinking about I should still get the 270 for my self, and have her get the 30-06, and when it kicks her to bad i'll just say " hey just use my rifle" and i'll use the 30-06. It'll be like getting 2 guns for my self:)
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Post by: JohnVH on December 12, 2011, 08:17:09 PM: Quote from: bobcat on December 10, 2011, 10:50:43 AM
The 7mm magnum is going to kick harder than the 30-06, with everything else being equal (rifle weight, stock configuration, bullet weight, etc.)

The bigger case simply burns more powder and therefore will produce more recoil. Not enough difference to really notice though.

So your saying it will kick harder, then you say its not neough difference to really notice? :dunno:

I have both, I prefer the 7mag, my hotloads kick pretty good, but if you hold the gun right, you can shoot a box and barely get a bruise.
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Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 08:30:32 PM: Quote from: JohnVH on December 12, 2011, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: bobcat on December 10, 2011, 10:50:43 AM
The 7mm magnum is going to kick harder than the 30-06, with everything else being equal (rifle weight, stock configuration, bullet weight, etc.)

The bigger case simply burns more powder and therefore will produce more recoil. Not enough difference to really notice though.

So your saying it will kick harder, then you say its not neough difference to really notice? :dunno:

I have both, I prefer the 7mag, my hotloads kick pretty good, but if you hold the gun right, you can shoot a box and barely get a bruise.

Yes, I DID say that. Made perfect sense to me anyway. :)

I guess what I meant to say is that I doubt anyone could tell the difference between a 7 mag and a 30-06, but mathematically, the 7 mag is going to have more recoil. It's just not a significant difference.

I just looked up some ballistics on Federals site, and they show the 7mm Rem. Mag. with a 160 grain Nosler Partition with a velocity of 2950 fps. They show the 30-06 with a 165 grain Partition at 2830 fps. That is so close that you can just consider them to be virtually the same. (performance wise and recoil wise)
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Post by: high country on December 13, 2011, 10:45:29 AM: Look up rifle weights, then plug the numbers into a ballistic calculator...I believe jbm and others have free ones. Pay very close attention to recoil velocity. Anyone can stand a 70# recoil if it is slow..cut it in half but speed it up and it sucks.