Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 12, 2011, 07:29:05 AM
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Post by: dscubame on December 12, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
Post by: 400out on December 12, 2011, 08:26:32 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 08:54:01 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 12, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Post by: RB on December 12, 2011, 09:08:48 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 12, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on December 12, 2011, 09:26:01 AM
Post by: C-Money on December 12, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
That would be the worst thing that could happen for eastside hunters.:yeah: BAD Idea. would not matter if you had 1000 points, you would still have a horrible time trying to get a branch bull tag. :bdid:
Post by: Curly on December 12, 2011, 09:59:08 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 12, 2011, 10:09:17 AM
This is one of those issues that they should not have even had the survey question because it is such a bad idea. It is one of those things that WDFW should just say no to even if the survey showed 60% in favor of it........it is just a bad idea.:yeah:
Post by: colockumelk on December 12, 2011, 10:11:57 AM
LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!!! It would not be good folks. Tags would be harder to draw and the westside would get very crowded.:yeah: :bdid:
It would be bad for hunters and bad for the elk. :bdid:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 12, 2011, 10:14:13 AM
I think this will lower the odds of drawing a eastside bull tag and increase hunting pressure during Westside general seasons. I don't like it.:yeah: :yeah: :bdid: :bdid:
Post by: Huntbear on December 12, 2011, 10:57:02 AM
Yes it may lower your odds of that monster Dayton bull tag.... However, everyone complains about the lack of hunting options in this state. They are offering you one, that will increase your opportunities for elk. Now your gonna bad mouth the WDFW for doing that? Make up your minds.
How many more people are actually gonna hunt the wetside? Not that many more. Most do not like to hunt in the rain, and the damp and the fog, and the brush. I see it as a good thing, something that our letters and comments have actually done some good about.
The fewer Restrictions we have the better I like it. Although this may just be something to appease us hunters after the wolf issues.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: bullcanyon on December 12, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
And I have no complaints about the opportunity I have available for west side archery. Outside of a better season schedule. I really enjoy what I get to do.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 12, 2011, 11:38:04 AM
I have to disagree with most here.
Yes it may lower your odds of that monster Dayton bull tag.... However, everyone complains about the lack of hunting options in this state. They are offering you one, that will increase your opportunities for elk. Now your gonna bad mouth the WDFW for doing that? Make up your minds.
How many more people are actually gonna hunt the wetside? Not that many more. Most do not like to hunt in the rain, and the damp and the fog, and the brush. I see it as a good thing, something that our letters and comments have actually done some good about.
The fewer Restrictions we have the better I like it. Although this may just be something to appease us hunters after the wolf issues.
Just my :twocents:
This will decrease east side hunter opportunites and increase west side hunter opportunities. Everyone knows which big bull tags to apply for on the east side, but unless you live on the west side, you might as well hunt spikes than try to go figure out a west side branch bull area.
I say go back to the 5 elk regions. Apply for the hunts where you actually hunt, not where you hear all the elk are. Once you do get drawn, you will have a vast amount of knowledge on the elk in that area and wont be scrambling to figure out the area the month before the season opens.
Post by: Woodchuck on December 12, 2011, 11:45:42 AM
Just imagint the extra revenue, now we will have eastside categories a 9 bucks a pop and then westside at 9 bucks a pop. :bash: This will pass and it will suck for all.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 12, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
If it can generate additional revenue and give the perception of increased hunting opportunities, this will go through.
You know that the perception of hunting opportunity increase will be what they hang their hat on here. Certainly not added revenue. :rolleyes:
My gut says a decrease in east side license purchases and an increase in west side purchases will be the result in this.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 12, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
I strongly disagree with you. I do not apply for east side permits only because I don't want to hunt spikes. I guarantee I am not the only one. There will a large increase in the number of east side applicants. Why wouldn't a hunter want to try and draw the best tags in the state and if unsuccessful come hunt for branched bulls?
And I have no complaints about the opportunity I have available for west side archery. Outside of a better season schedule. I really enjoy what I get to do.
Yeah, you're not the only one! I know plenty of guys on the westside that hunt locally because not wanting to deal with the low draw odds and spikes. And they have the gear (trailers/ATVs/trucks) to hunt the eastside. They head over that way each year for mule deer, they just don't have enough incentive to go there for elk.....yet.
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 12:00:47 PM
This one's a no brainer.
If it can generate additional revenue and give the perception of increased hunting opportunities, this will go through.
You know that the perception of hunting opportunity increase will be what they hang their hat on here. Certainly not added revenue. :rolleyes:
My gut says a decrease in east side license purchases and an increase in west side purchases will be the result in this.
I agree with your last sentence but I still don't understand where the additional revenue would come from? :dunno:
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 12, 2011, 12:07:12 PM
In theory it sounds good, but what if the wdfw says to many branch bulls are being killed and changes those branch bull areas to spike only?
Post by: walt on December 12, 2011, 12:15:24 PM
I know more than a few that would put in for east and hunt west if not drawn if that were an option. = more revenue from eastside permit sales and worse odds for all who put in.
Post by: bullcanyon on December 12, 2011, 12:21:17 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 12:23:03 PM
I know more than a few that would put in for east and hunt west if not drawn if that were an option. = more revenue from eastside permit sales and worse odds for all who put in.
OK, so I'm still not quite sure what you guys are saying.
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly- you think that people who now hunt the westside, DO NOT apply for west side special permits, but if they could hunt the west side and apply for east side special permits, they would?
My question is why would these people not already be applying for the special permits on the west side? Apparently some of you feel there are NO special elk permits on the west side worth applying for? Is that correct?
Post by: walt on December 12, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
I know more than a few that would put in for east and hunt west if not drawn if that were an option. = more revenue from eastside permit sales and worse odds for all who put in.
OK, so I'm still not quite sure what you guys are saying.
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly- you think that people who now hunt the westside, DO NOT apply for west side special permits, but if they could hunt the west side and apply for east side special permits, they would?
My question is why would these people not already be applying for the special permits on the west side? Apparently some of you feel there are NO special elk permits worth applying for? Is that correct?
I'm saying that I believe there are many who buy a westside tag and don't apply for westside permits. Givin the option to buy eastside points and still hunt west they would.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 12, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
Way to increase revenue, get new customers so to speak.
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 12:28:34 PM
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I'm saying that I believe there are many who buy a westside tag and don't apply for westside permits. Givin the option to buy eastside points and still hunt west they would.
OK, I see. I guess I just can't fathom why someone wouldn't spend the extra $6 for a chance at a good elk hunt here on the westside. There are more than a couple that are worth the application fee.
Post by: bullcanyon on December 12, 2011, 12:33:43 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
QuoteI'm saying that I believe there are many who buy a westside tag and don't apply for westside permits. Givin the option to buy eastside points and still hunt west they would.
OK, I see. I guess I just can't fathom why someone wouldn't spend the extra $6 for a chance at a good elk hunt here on the westside. There are more than a couple that are worth the application fee.
I know quite a few people that hunt the west side but don't put in for permits. Those same guys would probably put in for the blues if they could.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 12, 2011, 12:36:07 PM
From the westside people. They can already hunt branched here and some may not choose to be playing the draw game. Some may be playing only the antlerless draw game. Now they would not have to buy the eastside tag to now go after what may be a coveted Special or Quality tag in the Blues, for example.This one's a no brainer.
If it can generate additional revenue and give the perception of increased hunting opportunities, this will go through.
You know that the perception of hunting opportunity increase will be what they hang their hat on here. Certainly not added revenue. :rolleyes:
My gut says a decrease in east side license purchases and an increase in west side purchases will be the result in this.
I agree with your last sentence but I still don't understand where the additional revenue would come from? :dunno:
If I were a westside hunter, I probably would not be in the bull draws at all as it presently is set up. Just antlerless, if even that. But I sure would start tossing out selections for eastside bull tags.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 12, 2011, 12:36:33 PM
Post by: CedarPants on December 12, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
Hunter A, lifelong east-side elk hunter. His family has been setting up camp in the Blue's for 3 generations. He's never drawn a branched bull permit and has 16 points. His dad has drawn 1 permit in 30 years. Neither of them drew this year and are again chasing the elusive trophy spike.
Hunter B, lifelong west-side elk hunter. Never been to the Blues ever but sees he can now apply for hunts there. He applies as a group with 3 buddies, they all draw with 1 point and all tag out on branched bulls.
Hunter A and Hunter B cross paths in the Blues, words are exchanged. Punches are thrown. Arrests are made. We all look like idiots.
That type of situation isn't something I condone nor would I partake in, but if anyone thinks that won't happen you're crazy. There are some hot heads in those mountains
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 12, 2011, 12:48:46 PM
Probably pretty close to a true life experience in the making too.
Post by: JPhelps on December 12, 2011, 01:47:39 PM
I feel that when I draw my multiseason tag that is enough of a chance to draw these premier tags, but not at the expense of competing against the whole state. Greed gets the best of us all, but i think this would truly be un-fair and the "quality" of elk hunting on the west side would go down and there would be a huge log jam for the premier tags.
This is not about opportunity but about money.
Post by: Curly on December 12, 2011, 01:49:39 PM
This is not a good idea and this is coming from a guy who hunts western Washington and would love to be able to put in for Eastern Tags every year.
I feel that when I draw my multiseason tag that is enough of a chance to draw these premier tags, but not at the expense of competing against the whole state. Greed gets the best of us all, but i think this would truly be un-fair and the "quality" of elk hunting on the west side would go down and there would be a huge log jam for the premier tags.
This is not about opportunity but about money.
:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 01:53:47 PM
Post by: deerslyr on December 12, 2011, 01:56:10 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on December 12, 2011, 02:06:47 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 12, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2011, 02:21:06 PM
If this goes through I will be hunting branch bulls on the westside, putting in for my east tags as always. I have never hunted on the west side in my life! We will pull spike camp to harvest a branched bull. We will come in numbers, and we will be eating rosie back strap. Be carefull what you wish for...
Exactly my fear. I think it's a horrible idea. I for one do not wish for this...
Post by: Curly on December 12, 2011, 02:22:19 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 12, 2011, 02:23:34 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 12, 2011, 02:26:01 PM
OK, so I'm still not quite sure what you guys are saying.
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly- you think that people who now hunt the westside, DO NOT apply for west side special permits, but if they could hunt the west side and apply for east side special permits, they would?
My question is why would these people not already be applying for the special permits on the west side? Apparently some of you feel there are NO special elk permits on the west side worth applying for? Is that correct?
Yes Bob, thats exactly what they are saying. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of guys that fit in this category. They live on the west side and purchase a east side tag because they are forced to in order to apply for a permit. If they don't draw the east side tag they want then they just don't hunt, spikes are not appealing enough to spend the $$$ and time to go, so the tag is eaten.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 12, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
A year or two later, you can count on permit only for elk because of the overcrowding for branch bulls on the westside and the crappy draw odds on the eastside. :twocents:That was kind of my thought too. How long would the wetside hold out? Then the whole state would probably go special permit and it wouldn't matter what tag. This might be a long range WDFW plan anyhow. Although, I wonder what the revenue potential for that would be if everything was special permit? Would you get at least one application imbedded into the tag purchase and then have to buy quality bull or antlerless? Or would all applications be good for same license price?
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 02:29:36 PM
OK, so I'm still not quite sure what you guys are saying.
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly- you think that people who now hunt the westside, DO NOT apply for west side special permits, but if they could hunt the west side and apply for east side special permits, they would?
My question is why would these people not already be applying for the special permits on the west side? Apparently some of you feel there are NO special elk permits on the west side worth applying for? Is that correct?
Yes Bob, thats exactly what they are saying. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of guys that fit in this category. They live on the west side and purchase a east side tag because they are forced to in order to apply for a permit. If they don't draw the east side tag they want then they just don't hunt, spikes are not appealing enough to spend the $$$ and time to go, so the tag is eaten.
That scenario doesn't explain how the WDFW would generate more revenue by allowing people to apply for east or west regardless of their tag choice. What am I missing?
Post by: huntnphool on December 12, 2011, 02:29:44 PM
But when you can't find a place to go without a few rigs already there. Going to send some hunters away to other states.
exactly what they have done on the east side for deer, forcing everyone to take off the same week, way to crowded now.
Post by: rtspring on December 12, 2011, 02:30:48 PM
This my friends is a FACT!!
Post by: huntnphool on December 12, 2011, 02:31:49 PM
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That scenario doesn't explain how the WDFW would generate more revenue by allowing people to apply for east or west regardless of their tag choice. What am I missing?
I agree Bob, I don't see an increase and in the end will likely see a decrease.
Post by: huntnphool on December 12, 2011, 02:33:41 PM
I don't see PERMIT ONLY hunting happening anytime soon in this state. They would lose a hell of alot of money if they did that..
This my friends is a FACT!!
It would be an increase if they continued to require you to purchase a license in order to apply. All they would have to do is make one unit available for non permit hunting and they could justify it.
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 02:33:53 PM
QuoteThat scenario doesn't explain how the WDFW would generate more revenue by allowing people to apply for east or west regardless of their tag choice. What am I missing?
I agree Bob, I don't see an increase and in the end will likely see a decrease.
OK, well that's what I was trying to figure out- why some people are saying the WDFW wants to make this change for the increased revenue. And I just can't see how there would be any significant increase in revenue.
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 12, 2011, 02:34:24 PM
OK, so I'm still not quite sure what you guys are saying.
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly- you think that people who now hunt the westside, DO NOT apply for west side special permits, but if they could hunt the west side and apply for east side special permits, they would?
My question is why would these people not already be applying for the special permits on the west side? Apparently some of you feel there are NO special elk permits on the west side worth applying for? Is that correct?
Yes Bob, thats exactly what they are saying. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of guys that fit in this category. They live on the west side and purchase a east side tag because they are forced to in order to apply for a permit. If they don't draw the east side tag they want then they just don't hunt, spikes are not appealing enough to spend the $$$ and time to go, so the tag is eaten.
This is what I do and I live on the Eastside. If I don't draw a tag I will not go hunting spikes the success rates are just that bad.
Post by: Woodchuck on December 12, 2011, 02:36:29 PM
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 12, 2011, 02:36:45 PM
I have to disagree with most here.
Yes it may lower your odds of that monster Dayton bull tag.... However, everyone complains about the lack of hunting options in this state. They are offering you one, that will increase your opportunities for elk. Now your gonna bad mouth the WDFW for doing that? Make up your minds.
How many more people are actually gonna hunt the wetside? Not that many more. Most do not like to hunt in the rain, and the damp and the fog, and the brush. I see it as a good thing, something that our letters and comments have actually done some good about.
The fewer Restrictions we have the better I like it. Although this may just be something to appease us hunters after the wolf issues.
Just my :twocents:
This will decrease east side hunter opportunites and increase west side hunter opportunities. Everyone knows which big bull tags to apply for on the east side, but unless you live on the west side, you might as well hunt spikes than try to go figure out a west side branch bull area.
I say go back to the 5 elk regions. Apply for the hunts where you actually hunt, not where you hear all the elk are. Once you do get drawn, you will have a vast amount of knowledge on the elk in that area and wont be scrambling to figure out the area the month before the season opens.
:yeah:
Post by: Atroxus on December 12, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
I cant believe this is even a question. That would be absolutely terrible for both east and west side hunters! Making it near impossible to get drawn on the east side and completly over crowding the west side. This is coming from a west side elk hunter.
Other than revenue for WDFW does anyone really think this is gonna make a huge impact? Personally I agree with the thought that this is just a revenue generation plan for WDFW. I have a hard time believing things would be all that bad though. Some people from west side will start putting in for east side permits, but realistically a bunch of people with 1 point are going to be at a HUGE disadvantage vs the people who have points already. If someone has 10 points west side, and no points east side, why would they want to put in for permits with worse odds of getting drawn? As far as eastside hunters coming over here to hunt, I would think that if they want a branch bull bad enough to travel across the state that they would already be doing so. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it true that currently east side hunters can just buy an OTC west side elk tag, come over here and hunt branch bulls without having to put in for a permit? :dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 12, 2011, 02:40:30 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 02:42:38 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it true that currently east side hunters can just buy an OTC west side elk tag, come over here and hunt branch bulls without having to put in for a permit?
Yes that is correct. Heck someone can come from New York City and purchase a west side elk tag and hunt bulls. There's no restrictions on who can buy tags and there is no limit as to how many they will sell.
Also, points aren't specific to east or west side. Elk points are elk points.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 12, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
QuoteCorrect me if I am wrong, but isn't it true that currently east side hunters can just buy an OTC west side elk tag, come over here and hunt branch bulls without having to put in for a permit?
Yes that is correct. Heck someone can come from New York City and purchase a west side elk tag and hunt bulls. There's no restrictions on who can buy tags and there is no limit as to how many they will sell.
Also, points aren't specific to east or west side. Elk points are elk points.
That is what we all thought a couple years back. Now we have elk quality elk bull elk antlerless, and how many others.
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 02:58:35 PM
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Now we have elk quality elk bull elk antlerless, and how many others.
Disabled hunter, Hunters over 65, Youth, Master Hunter. I think that's all. :rolleyes: :bash:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 12, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 12, 2011, 03:05:37 PM
Hopefully not elk east and elk west soonand elk archery, elk modern, and elk muzzy :yike:
Post by: jager on December 12, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
Westsiders can buy an OTC tag in the east and hunt "any bull" gmus currently as well.
Post by: doyourtime89 on December 12, 2011, 03:58:51 PM
Concur with if this happens then it will severely decrease odds of drawing a tag.... and could result in increased crowding in west side GMU's. Not in favor of this one at all.
:yeah:
Post by: colockumelk on December 12, 2011, 04:45:59 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2011, 07:21:37 PM
It's not gonna happen.I hope you're right...
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 12, 2011, 07:29:31 PM
I don't want it to happen, i like the split. But just wait. You will see an even bigger crowd on the west side. You think it is crazy now... There will be a few less people hunting spikes.
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 07:32:50 PM
Post by: dscubame on December 12, 2011, 07:37:26 PM
It won't happen, but if it did, I would probably do the opposite of most people- I would buy a east side tag and apply for west side hunts. If it remains the same, I will continue what I've been doing, and buy a westside tag.
Do you think that would cost you more money buying a eastside tag and applying for west side hunts than it does under the current arrangement?
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
It won't happen, but if it did, I would probably do the opposite of most people- I would buy a east side tag and apply for west side hunts. If it remains the same, I will continue what I've been doing, and buy a westside tag.
Do you think that would cost you more money buying a eastside tag and applying for west side hunts than it does under the current arrangement?
No, why would it? It's still just an elk tag and one special permit application.
Post by: dscubame on December 12, 2011, 07:42:46 PM
Post by: Curly on December 13, 2011, 06:51:45 AM
It's not gonna happen.
Why did they even ask the question if they don't intend to do it? They have a survey that shows support for the idea, so they can do it and say there was support. :dunno:
Post by: 400out on December 13, 2011, 06:56:09 AM
Free country, If they don't ask then they get overturned because they didn't ask :bash: :bash:It's not gonna happen.
Why did they even ask the question if they don't intend to do it? They have a survey that shows support for the idea, so they can do it and say there was support. :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 13, 2011, 06:57:04 AM
It's not gonna happen.I also hope your right, but what scare's me is when they seem to ask a question they already know the answer and they already know what they are going to do.
Post by: Bob33 on December 13, 2011, 07:58:30 AM
Post by: KillBilly on December 13, 2011, 08:24:15 AM
If it comes right down to it, the eastside would have their own Wolf Problems and westside would have theirs... Naw, I believe we would come help you even though you don't want us there for other reasons..... :dunno:
Post by: bullcanyon on December 13, 2011, 08:28:52 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2011, 08:31:24 AM
You do have "freedom of choice". You can choose to hunt the west side one year, and the next year you can choose to hunt the east side. They could go to permit only elk hunting statewide. Which would you prefer?
Post by: huntnphool on December 13, 2011, 09:49:25 AM
They could go to permit only elk hunting statewide. Which would you prefer?
And yet you laughed at my idea. When it goes to permit only, and you only get to hunt every three to four years, hunting elk one year and deer the next won't seem so bad.
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 10:02:34 AM
Like I said if this happens I will apply for the Observatory which is the easiest archery tag to draw, burn my points and hunt out of state for elk. I will take my money to a state that cares. I already do this for deer. I only buy a deer tag if I can come home and hunt elk. And no I am not a "trophy" hunter.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 13, 2011, 10:06:14 AM
Killbilly,
You do have "freedom of choice". You can choose to hunt the west side one year, and the next year you can choose to hunt the east side. They could go to permit only elk hunting statewide. Which would you prefer?
Killbilly....Forgive him for He knows no other!
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 10:36:25 AM
Post by: KillBilly on December 13, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
Killbilly,
You do have "freedom of choice". You can choose to hunt the west side one year, and the next year you can choose to hunt the east side. They could go to permit only elk hunting statewide. Which would you prefer?
My preference is to have it back like it once was....
anything other than that is less than true freedom. We managed wildlife and habitat before WDFW was a pup. Now they dictate to us. Besides the wolves will have the eastsiders over here soon if we can't manage them.
Post by: Bob33 on December 13, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
If this happens our state WILL wind up permit only across the state for elk. It may take ten years but it WILL happen. One thing is for certain though.Maybe. I'm just wondering if we'll run out of elk or run out of hunters first.
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Post by: 400out on December 13, 2011, 05:29:20 PM
sad, but I have thought the same thing :bash: We maybe living in the good old days my kids will tell their kids about! Now that's scary isn't it!If this happens our state WILL wind up permit only across the state for elk. It may take ten years but it WILL happen. One thing is for certain though.Maybe. I'm just wondering if we'll run out of elk or run out of hunters first.
Post by: jess on December 13, 2011, 05:41:26 PM
Post by: TommyH on December 13, 2011, 05:47:15 PM
If this goes through I will be hunting branch bulls on the westside, putting in for my east tags as always. I have never hunted on the west side in my life! We will pull spike camp to harvest a branched bull. We will come in numbers, and we will be eating rosie back strap. Be carefull what you wish for...
:chuckle: :chuckle: :yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: shed stud you are a true poet!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2011, 07:24:23 PM
They could go to permit only elk hunting statewide. Which would you prefer?
And yet you laughed at my idea. When it goes to permit only, and you only get to hunt every three to four years, hunting elk one year and deer the next won't seem so bad.
I don't remember laughing at your idea. I would probably be for anything that reduced hunting pressure. Permit only, or some system where a person can only hunt every other year, would be better than what we have now. But the thing is, if they reduce elk hunting opportunity, they need to do the same with deer. Otherwise deer are going to get a whole lot more pressure by the guys who normally would be elk hunting.
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 07:50:53 PM
:yeah: Mmmm rosieIf this goes through I will be hunting branch bulls on the westside, putting in for my east tags as always. I have never hunted on the west side in my life! We will pull spike camp to harvest a branched bull. We will come in numbers, and we will be eating rosie back strap. Be carefull what you wish for...
:chuckle: :chuckle: :yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: shed stud you are a true poet!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RB on December 13, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
They could go to permit only elk hunting statewide. Which would you prefer?
And yet you laughed at my idea. When it goes to permit only, and you only get to hunt every three to four years, hunting elk one year and deer the next won't seem so bad.
I don't remember laughing at your idea. I would probably be for anything that reduced hunting pressure. Permit only, or some system where a person can only hunt every other year, would be better than what we have now. But the thing is, if they reduce elk hunting opportunity, they need to do the same with deer. Otherwise deer are going to get a whole lot more pressure by the guys who normally would be elk hunting.
The same effect the ground fish in Puget sound had when Salmon seasons were cut in the 80's guys that normally would just get a few bottom fish as by-catch while Salmon fishing switched to targeting them when they could not Salmon fish. Washington one of the smallest western states with one of the highest populations :o
Post by: BENCHLEG on December 13, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 13, 2011, 09:40:20 PM
WDFW motto: Taking things that work and fixing them until their broke since 1994 :tup::lol4:
Post by: steeleywhopper on December 14, 2011, 05:19:23 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 14, 2011, 06:19:27 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lists/
Post by: RB on December 14, 2011, 07:36:48 PM
They were emailed out. Get on the wdfw emailing list.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lists/
Thank You did not know about this :tup:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 15, 2011, 06:19:49 PM
WDFW motto: Taking things that work and fixing them until their broke since 1994 :tup:
Got it, completed it, and told them to shove it! (This proposal)
Post by: colockumelk on December 15, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
WDFW motto: Taking things that work and fixing them until their broke since 1994 :tup:
Got it, completed it, and told them to shove it! (This proposal)
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Arteman on December 17, 2011, 01:58:20 AM
Eastside Elk season hunting pressure- Decrease
Odds of killing an Eastside spike- Increase
Odds of drawing an Eastside bull- Impossible
Odds of drawing a Westside bull- Increase
Odds of drawing a Westside Cow- Decrease
Westside Elk season hunting pressure- Increase
Odds of killing a westside bull- Decrease
States revenue- Stays the same, for a couple years tell people start hunting out of state then decrease.
It's a no brainer, I'm with Bobcat on this one. Buy eastside tags, and put in for westside bull permits. And I'm from the westside.
Post by: colockumelk on December 17, 2011, 08:31:04 AM