Post by: HairTrigger on December 13, 2011, 11:15:13 PM
:dunno: :mgun2:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 13, 2011, 11:38:15 PM
-Steve
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2011, 11:54:03 PM
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 12:01:43 AM
SOUNDS GOOD LOOKIN TO GET ONE FOR MY SON FOR FIRST GUN HE IS 13 NOW THANKS JACK
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 14, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 14, 2011, 12:19:34 AM
Why does he have to give it away if you don't mond me asking? A family tradition?
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 12:27:22 AM
:)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 14, 2011, 12:32:53 AM
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 12:40:35 AM
:IBCOOL:
PERMISSION TO BUY A NEW GUN LOL
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 14, 2011, 12:57:44 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 14, 2011, 01:00:13 AM
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 01:20:42 AM
thanks i will be doin some comparing now just gotta think bout the difference between 25-06 an the 7mm 08
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 14, 2011, 01:36:49 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 14, 2011, 11:05:41 AM
The XL7 has a lot of good features for a gun in that price point. An XL7s compares well to the Tikka T3 Lite Stainless except the Tikka wins with the detachable magazine. The XL7 wins with a better recoil system and a stock that you can hang on to. Some would say that a blind box magazine (XL7), establishes a better platform for an accurate bolt action rifle, although most of the Tikka's with an open bottom stock have proven accurate. At ~$200 price difference, the Marlin wins.
Weird family tradition to give things away after the first kill. Hell, I'm having trouble just getting my kids outfitted over the years. I certainly don't want them giving things away! :bash:
-Steve
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
Post by: deerslyr on December 14, 2011, 01:35:36 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 14, 2011, 01:42:24 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 14, 2011, 05:52:11 PM
Post by: True Sportsman on December 14, 2011, 06:04:34 PM
BIGINNER YOU HAVE COMPETITION NOW AHAHAHA
I was thinking the exact same thing...
Post by: cwuwildcat on December 14, 2011, 06:17:55 PM
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Post by: Larry S. on December 14, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
Yes, the Marlin is inexpensive. Yes, the stock is some plastic polymer. Yes, the trigger guard is plastic and the rear guard screw needs to be carefully tightened so as not to crack the rear of the trigger guard (Stay under 20-inch-pounds). And, no, it's not a legacy rifle to be passed down the generations. But, Lord, can it shoot.
I mounted a Leupold VXII that I'd purchased from another friend who does a bit of gunsmithing and I took an hour or so to float the barrel and then I took it to the range where it shot 5 rounds of Federal 150g, soft point, round nose into a .830" group. I let it cool and then in shot 5 rounds of Remington Core Lokt, 130g, pointed soft points into a .770" group.
I sat back, took a deep breath, broke a small smile, cased it, and brought it home. Then, I went out and bought a box of bedding compound, bedded the action, waited a few days, took a box of handloads (.270, 130g, Nosler AccuBonds) that I have for my primary hunting rifle and went back to the range and the thing shot a 0.900" group. Basically, this "cheap" rifle shoots better than me...way better.
My dilemma, such as it is, is now whether or not to make this my primary rifle. Probably won't, but I have to say that, this time, the gods truly smiled down.
I've wandered the Internet and the comments that come back regarding the accuracy of this rifle pretty much mirror what I've experienced. Too, I've found that they can be had for around $300 when you can find them. I'll add to that that there's likely a secret society being formed amongst those who own and have shot them that will not let them go without a fight.
Again, these are not legacy rifles. What they are are damn fine tools. Tools that you could buy without breaking the bank. Tools that you would not worry about scratching, scarring, dropping, getting wet, or getting banged up. They are an entry level rifle that, apparently, will shoot better than most of us are able to shoot and that will draw comments at the range - as in the guy next to me with a $1000+ rifle who was shooting 2-3" groups and wondered what kind of custom rifle I had.
Can't make you buy one. Won't argue about the plastic trigger guard (have already found a replacement Remington guard that will work with a little time on my bench). Can't argue that the stock is perfect.
But again...Lord, will this rifle shoot. And, all things considered, that's what really counts, isn't it?
Hope this helps.
Larry Simoneaux
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 14, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 10:12:01 PM
Bought one in .308 for PathfinderJR for his 11th Birthday. We love it. Very accurate. He brought it with him this summer when we went up to my buddies' place to do some long range shooting. He shot it from 50 out to 525 yards and most points in between. Was whacking a man sized metal sillouette at 525. I think he only missed 1 out of 6 shots. Great little gun (we actually got the youth model - the XS7Y). Love the bolt, love the trigger. Great buy :tup:THANKS DIDNT SEE THAT YOUTH MODEL WELL DEFF LOOK INTO THAT ONE AN SORRY GUYS CANT STAND THE 270'S LOL JUST FROM SOME PEOPLE PRIORS ID RATHER THROW A 270 OUT THA WINDOW BUT I HAVE A 7MM AN LOVE IT BUT I KNOW THEY SHOOT THE SAME BULLETS LOL BUT I HEAR ALOTTA BAD THINGS THAT WHY I WAS LOOKIN AT 25-06 OR 7MM-08 OR EVEN A 243 WILL DO
Post by: HairTrigger on December 14, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
THANKS FOR EVERYONES INFO I THINK ILL GO ORDER THE ONE WITH THE CAMO STOCK
:tup:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 14, 2011, 10:36:50 PM
-Steve
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 14, 2011, 11:35:16 PM
XL7S in 243win... Pull the barrel off with a Savage barrel wrench. Ream the chamber to 243AI. Put it back together. Go shoot stuff!
-Steve
Never thought of that , have you done it or seen it done? I've never looked at the Marlin in depth, can you set the headspace with the barrel nut like you can with the Savage's? We have a 25-06 AI reamer, I bet I could talk a buddy into using his as a ginny pig.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 15, 2011, 08:08:41 AM
-Steve
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 15, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Bought one in .308 for PathfinderJR for his 11th Birthday. We love it. Very accurate. He brought it with him this summer when we went up to my buddies' place to do some long range shooting. He shot it from 50 out to 525 yards and most points in between. Was whacking a man sized metal sillouette at 525. I think he only missed 1 out of 6 shots. Great little gun (we actually got the youth model - the XS7Y). Love the bolt, love the trigger. Great buy :tup:SORRY GUYS CANT STAND THE 270'S LOL JUST FROM SOME PEOPLE PRIORS ID RATHER THROW A 270 OUT THA WINDOW BUT I HAVE A 7MM AN LOVE IT BUT I KNOW THEY SHOOT THE SAME BULLETS LOL BUT I HEAR ALOTTA BAD THINGS THAT WHY I WAS LOOKIN AT 25-06 OR 7MM-08 OR EVEN A 243 WILL DO
Oh God. After that statement, you are going to get your house egged by about half the members on this forum... :yike:
(..by the way...what's your address...? :chuckle: )
Post by: HairTrigger on December 15, 2011, 09:43:18 AM
:IBCOOL:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 15, 2011, 11:52:18 AM
-Steve
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 15, 2011, 12:22:04 PM
Lol just hear alotta bad thing an good ones too but can't stand tha thought of losing an animal even from a good shot just my thoughts lol egg away I live right next door to you all lol
:IBCOOL:
Great thread and sorry I didn't notice it yesterday you've provided some good info. :tup: I was in a similar situation earlier this year and I bought a .270 for my son to use for next year when I take him for his first. I took it for a test run this year and harvested a nice 5x6, so I can say the .270 works fine for us. If he gets something a little big for himself in return I plan on getting him a .243 to use until he's big enough. Good luck to you and your son :tup: nie.
Post by: mallard79 on December 15, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 15, 2011, 02:05:15 PM
Study ballistics.. The 270 will do anything a 25-06 can, and better. Bullet selection for the 25-06 is quite limited by todays standards for popular cartridges in 6mm (.243), 7mm (.270) and .30cal
-Steve
I'll kill it just the same with either and leave both in the safe when it come to the 6.5-284. :tup:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 15, 2011, 02:30:26 PM
I don't knock the 6.5x284.. Cool short action round, but not common on most sporting goods store shelves.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/270win.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/25-06Rem.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/243Win.htm
-Steve
Post by: HairTrigger on December 15, 2011, 06:56:12 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 15, 2011, 09:32:14 PM
Plus you see a lot of 270 s in the papers an shelves of gun shops too they are everywhere now how many 25-06 you see in any store or shop your lucky to see one ballistics are good witnessing it is better lol
That's because Jack O' Connor brain washed a generation and the next got a .270 shoved in their hands and didn't know any better. I own .270's but O'Connor was spot on concerning the 7x57. :tup:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 16, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
Plus you see a lot of 270 s in the papers an shelves of gun shops too they are everywhere now how many 25-06 you see in any store or shop your lucky to see one ballistics are good witnessing it is better lol
That's because Jack O' Connor brain washed a generation and the next got a .270 shoved in their hands and didn't know any better. I own .270's but O'Connor was spot on concerning the 7x57. :tup:
That's why I hunted with one for 25 years... My grandpa had a stack of old Outdoor Life's in his basement, and I read them (O'Connor especially) every time I was over there growing up. When it came time for me to buy my first gun, I bought a .270 Win. I shoot a 7mm Mag now, but I never regretted buying or hunting with my .270s. And I never lost an animal that I could blame on the round... :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 16, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Plus you see a lot of 270 s in the papers an shelves of gun shops too they are everywhere now how many 25-06 you see in any store or shop your lucky to see one ballistics are good witnessing it is better lol
That's because Jack O' Connor brain washed a generation and the next got a .270 shoved in their hands and didn't know any better. I own .270's but O'Connor was spot on concerning the 7x57. :tup:
That's why I hunted with one for 25 years... My grandpa had a stack of old Outdoor Life's in his basement, and I read them (O'Connor especially) every time I was over there growing up. When it came time for me to buy my first gun, I bought a .270 Win. I shoot a 7mm Mag now, but I never regretted buying or hunting with my .270s. And I never lost an animal that I could blame on the round... :twocents:
Almost the same story here, in elk camp before I was old enough to carry a rifle almost everyone had a .270 or 30-06 with a accasional .300 Win Mag or .300 Weatherby. I used to sit around the campfire and listen to the Jack O' Conneor .270 huggers rib everyone about their 06's and .300's. I carried a handed down 7x57 for several years and when I was twelve I had saved up enough money. My dad drove me down to the local gun shop with my field & stream magazine in hand, I walked out with the first rifle I ever purchase myself. A Rem700 BDL 7mm Magnum, my dad thought I was crazy.
Post by: HairTrigger on December 26, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
If you are just gonna give it.away, the remington modell 770 is a bit cheaper and with a a pretty simple trigger job they are plenty accurate for hunting. My son shoots one in .243 and it puts 5 touching at 100yards.....and it is under $300. :twocents:What if he wanted to give it to you or anyone else on this site which he.can and has asked.about would any of you all honor him if he honored you in return replace his first kill weapon just wondering???
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2011, 09:19:25 PM
If you are just gonna give it.away, the remington modell 770 is a bit cheaper and with a a pretty simple trigger job they are plenty accurate for hunting. My son shoots one in .243 and it puts 5 touching at 100yards.....and it is under $300. :twocents:What if he wanted to give it to you or anyone else on this site which he.can and has asked.about would any of you all honor him if he honored you in return replace his first kill weapon just wondering???
There's no way I would give away a Remington 770, unless it was to someone I absolutely hated. Sorry but that's just something I'd feel guilty for the rest of my life. Make it a Savage, a Marlin, Weatherby Vanguard- there are decent low priced rifles out there, but the 770 isn't one of them. (IMO)
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 27, 2011, 09:08:31 AM
If you are just gonna give it.away, the remington modell 770 is a bit cheaper and with a a pretty simple trigger job they are plenty accurate for hunting. My son shoots one in .243 and it puts 5 touching at 100yards.....and it is under $300. :twocents:What if he wanted to give it to you or anyone else on this site which he.can and has asked.about would any of you all honor him if he honored you in return replace his first kill weapon just wondering???
There's no way I would give away a Remington 770, unless it was to someone I absolutely hated. Sorry but that's just something I'd feel guilty for the rest of my life. Make it a Savage, a Marlin, Weatherby Vanguard- there are decent low priced rifles out there, but the 770 isn't one of them. (IMO)
:yeah: Sorry, never have heard anything good about them (and I am a huge Rem 700 fan). Then again, I could be wrong, I have never owned a 770... :dunno:
Post by: HairTrigger on December 27, 2011, 09:09:52 AM
If you are just gonna give it.away, the remington modell 770 is a bit cheaper and with a a pretty simple trigger job they are plenty accurate for hunting. My son shoots one in .243 and it puts 5 touching at 100yards.....and it is under $300. :twocents:What if he wanted to give it to you or anyone else on this site which he.can and has asked.about would any of you all honor him if he honored you in return replace his first kill weapon just wondering???
There's no way I would give away a Remington 770, unless it was to someone I absolutely hated. Sorry but that's just something I'd feel guilty for the rest of my life. Make it a Savage, a Marlin, Weatherby Vanguard- there are decent low priced rifles out there, but the 770 isn't one of them. (IMO)
Exactly :yeah:
Post by: HairTrigger on December 27, 2011, 09:19:32 AM
Post by: addicted on December 27, 2011, 07:54:27 PM
If you take a closer look at them from back to front, they have the rear bolt shroud of a weatherby, the scope mount holes of a model 70, the trigger is a poorly machined copy of the accutrigger, the safety is the same as a rem 700, the bot head is much like a remington but is attached by a pin like a savage, then at the front of the action the barrel is attached by a barrel nut like a savage.
The point of the secondary trigger(accutrigger) is to have a super light short trigger pull with the secondary as a safety to prevent unwanted discharge. The marlin i handled had a trigger so heavy that it didnt need the extra moving parts of the secondary blade trigger. It was also noticably loose and poorly fit together. Hopefully it adjusts down low enough to need that secondary trigger.
The owner of the gun said that through all the ammo he had tried he always got about a 2.5-3 inch group out of it.
It is cool that you can use model 70 scope mounts with it but thats the end of my interest.
You can go down to walmart and pick up a savage Edge/axis for $267 and if your really that interested you could use the extra money you save on a new trigger or better glass.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
The Axis is a competitor because it comes in more caliber choices but there are other features of the X7 that edges it out.
-Steve