Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 15, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
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Talked to a good buddy of mine and he informed me that a friend of his fathers was up in the Ellensburg area and noticed WDFW vehicle and trailer and was wondering what they were doing and started taking pictures as they released a mating pair of wolves. Later he contacted the WDFW and they denied everything until he told them he was going to the media and that changed there tune and they admitted they released a mating pair of wolves
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 15, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 15, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 15, 2011, 07:33:51 PM
Too bad they didn't post those pictures of the mating pair being released. They should still go to the media.
................or actually mating when released because they were so happy ! :chuckle:
Post by: fair-chase on December 15, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
Post by: seth30 on December 15, 2011, 07:45:10 PM
I don't trust the WDFW and have my own suspicions of their involvement regarding the introduction of wolves. That being said I also don't trust when someone hears something from a friend of a friend, and that friends brother herd it from his mother who herd it from her step cousins uncle.....Well unless it was posted on the internet, then it's the Gospel truth. :chuckle::yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: fishinmike on December 15, 2011, 07:52:59 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 15, 2011, 08:33:12 PM
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Post by: Huntbear on December 16, 2011, 09:56:52 AM
If the number gets to 18bp (seen with pups) in the state, they will be delisted right away, there will not have to be a 3 yr. waiting period. Unfornately, Olympia and WDFW can't count past ten.
Even that is going to be to late. We will have maybe 100 elk left on St. Helens, and 50 left in the peninsula. Bigfoot already took all the elk in the Blues and Colockum. The Rosies will be decimated so fast they will be here today wolf *censored* tomorrow.... Will take care of the problem of winter feeding grounds, golf courses, farmers having damage, etc... there will be no elk left period.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 16, 2011, 10:04:04 AM
Dear Director Anderson,
I recently read on www.ifish.com that one of the members has pictures of wolves being released from a WDFW vehicle near Ellensburg. Please confirm or deny this. If this is just a bad rumor, I would like to alert the hunting community on www.hunting-washington.com with the truth.
I've been very interested in and have been following the progress of the Wolf Plan and the recent acceptance of that plan. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that the DFW's policy was that the gray wolf would populate naturally from Idaho and Canada, and not be transplanted by WDFW or any other group. Has the policy changed?
I request the courtesy of a reply. Thank you so much in advance for your attention to my request.
Most Sincerely,
John W
Vancouver, WA
Post by: Lowedog on December 16, 2011, 10:05:43 AM
A guy's friend's uncle's cousin saw him at Wal-Mart!
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 16, 2011, 12:48:42 PM
Post by: Huntboy on December 16, 2011, 01:12:51 PM
Don't forget it's also possible that these are wolves that are being "translocated" from another WA area.Yeah from Wolf Haven.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 16, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
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Post by: Jack Diamond on December 16, 2011, 06:09:05 PM
Nobody cares, about the wolve's , and soon to be including ME. Jeez, enough with the suburban "legend" crap.
and someone needs to learn to spell DAVENPORT , Jeeeeez
and maybe the darn wolve's are Idterrod dogs in training. If you don't have photo's . HUSH ' :twocents:
Post by: doyourtime89 on December 16, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
This just sent:
Dear Director Anderson,
I recently read on www.ifish.com that one of the members has pictures of wolves being released from a WDFW vehicle near Ellensburg. Please confirm or deny this. If this is just a bad rumor, I would like to alert the hunting community on www.hunting-washington.com with the truth.
I've been very interested in and have been following the progress of the Wolf Plan and the recent acceptance of that plan. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that the DFW's policy was that the gray wolf would populate naturally from Idaho and Canada, and not be transplanted by WDFW or any other group. Has the policy changed?
I request the courtesy of a reply. Thank you so much in advance for your attention to my request.
Most Sincerely,
John W
Vancouver, WA
I look forward to hearing the answer.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 17, 2011, 06:28:50 AM
Dear Mr. Wallace,
Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) regarding a rumor that you recently saw on www.ifish.com that someone has pictures of wolves being released from a WDFW vehicle near Ellensburg. The Director has asked Wildlife Program to respond to your email.
This is just another in a long line of rumors that we have heard, all of which involve wolves being brought into the state and released. All of them are false. Wolves are dispersing into Washington on their own from populations in Canada and adjacent states, thus there is no reason to deliberately reintroduce them. WDFW has never reintroduced or transplanted wolves from other states or provinces into any part of Washington, nor has any other state or federal authority done this. There are no plans to ever do this.
It is always interesting to try tracking down the source of the rumors – it would be interesting to see the pictures referred to in the note you read. We are appreciative of you alerting us to another one and for asking whether it was true or not. There are numerous false rumors that have surfaced over the years. They include:
1. A rumor that Weyerhaeuser parachuted 25 or more wolves into southwestern Washington in the 1960s.
2. A rumor that wolves have been secretly released in northeastern Washington by someone hiding them in a Schwan’s ice cream truck.
3. A rumor that wolves were secretly released in the central Cascades from a truck with Montana license plates in the late 1990s.
4. A rumor that WDFW was transplanting wolves into northeastern Washington. A picture of someone who helped WDFW capture and radio-collare a wolf from a resident Washington pack was put out on a website. It was misrepresented as being in a different location and as proof that WDFW was transplanting wolves into Washington. The person in the photograph corrected the false representation and gave the accurate information about the picture. He had no idea who had gotten the photo and put false information with it.
5. A rumor that someone talked to the driver of a truck on the Spirit Lake Highway this past winter who said that he had just released 60 wolves at Mt. St. Helens.
6. A rumor that 900 wolves were released in Skagit County.
7. A rumor that 900 wolves were going to be being released on the Olympic Peninsula.
8. A rumor that the legislature authorized 19 breeding pairs of wolves to be introduced into Washington.
We hope you will let others know that this particular rumor is false, as you suggested by alerting the hunting community on www.hunting-washington.com, and that perhaps you will alert the website as well.
If you are interested in learning more about wolves and wolf management in Washington, please see WDFW’s webpage on wolves (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/).
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360)902-2515
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
Here's the answer:
Dear Mr. Wallace,
Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) regarding a rumor that you recently saw on www.ifish.com that someone has pictures of wolves being released from a WDFW vehicle near Ellensburg. The Director has asked Wildlife Program to respond to your email.
This is just another in a long line of rumors that we have heard, all of which involve wolves being brought into the state and released. All of them are false. Wolves are dispersing into Washington on their own from populations in Canada and adjacent states, thus there is no reason to deliberately reintroduce them. WDFW has never reintroduced or transplanted wolves from other states or provinces into any part of Washington, nor has any other state or federal authority done this. There are no plans to ever do this.
It is always interesting to try tracking down the source of the rumors – it would be interesting to see the pictures referred to in the note you read. We are appreciative of you alerting us to another one and for asking whether it was true or not. There are numerous false rumors that have surfaced over the years. They include:
1. A rumor that Weyerhaeuser parachuted 25 or more wolves into southwestern Washington in the 1960s.
2. A rumor that wolves have been secretly released in northeastern Washington by someone hiding them in a Schwan’s ice cream truck.
3. A rumor that wolves were secretly released in the central Cascades from a truck with Montana license plates in the late 1990s.
4. A rumor that WDFW was transplanting wolves into northeastern Washington. A picture of someone who helped WDFW capture and radio-collare a wolf from a resident Washington pack was put out on a website. It was misrepresented as being in a different location and as proof that WDFW was transplanting wolves into Washington. The person in the photograph corrected the false representation and gave the accurate information about the picture. He had no idea who had gotten the photo and put false information with it.
5. A rumor that someone talked to the driver of a truck on the Spirit Lake Highway this past winter who said that he had just released 60 wolves at Mt. St. Helens.
6. A rumor that 900 wolves were released in Skagit County.
7. A rumor that 900 wolves were going to be being released on the Olympic Peninsula.
8. A rumor that the legislature authorized 19 breeding pairs of wolves to be introduced into Washington.
We hope you will let others know that this particular rumor is false, as you suggested by alerting the hunting community on www.hunting-washington.com, and that perhaps you will alert the website as well.
If you are interested in learning more about wolves and wolf management in Washington, please see WDFW’s webpage on wolves (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/).
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360)902-2515
Don't want to be a tinfoil hat kinda guy but it sort of seems that they went out of their way to say they didn't transplant wolves from out of state. Making sure that they didn't mention anything about relocating them within the state. Probably nothing but the wdfw tends to make me doubt their truthfulness sometimes....
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 17, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 17, 2011, 09:54:43 AM
This age of technology. And false claims do more harm than good,along the lines of the "Boy who cried Wolf"
Post by: nwwanderer on December 17, 2011, 11:43:54 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 17, 2011, 11:50:41 AM
Good response from WDFW ! I truly believe their hands are tied with this issue as well. I do not even believe photographic evidence in
This age of technology. And false claims do more harm than good,along the lines of the "Boy who cried Wolf"
Their hands are hardly tied. But, I'll believe their response on this rumor until I have positive proof otherwise.
Post by: bearpaw on December 17, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
I don't think WDFW is planting or translocating wolves. However, I find it highly possible that wolf groups would do such a thing. But these rumours do us no good in trying to have solid arguments to get reasonable wolf management.
Do I agree with wolves, of course not, but I say "Show Us The Pictures" otherwise it's just another rumour.... :twocents:
godd work piano.... :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on December 17, 2011, 01:07:02 PM
"Show Us The Pictures" otherwise it's just another rumour....Even then...
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,88885.msg1121375/topicseen.html#new
:chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 17, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
I don't think WDFW is planting or translocating wolves. However, I find it highly possible that wolf groups would do such a thing.I also don't think the state is transporting. Reason I say this is because some of the greeny groups are upset because the state doesn't want to assist them in their plans to establish more packs by translocating. I guess the state told them it was up to the wolves to naturally migrate. The greenies instead are focusing their efforts on the Feds now. The bios told them that the wolves would expand westward to I-5, but felt I-5 to be too busy and present a barrier to wolf migration. So getting the packs needed on the westside would need to be done by other means--human involvement. So they are trying to get wolves, but I guess the state didn't want them taking the naturally migrating wolves and WA doesn't really have an excess (yet :rolleyes:), so they have to go to a different source. I've heard they are looking at trapping their 'starter packs' on Vancouver Island because those are wolves from an environment very similar to western WA.
Post by: nwwanderer on December 17, 2011, 05:54:16 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 17, 2011, 05:58:43 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2011, 06:04:15 PM
I know that what WDFW says about some of the rumours is true. I got in the middle of Rumour #4 and found out from the person in the photo that the original photo was cropped and the rumour was false just as explained by WDFW.
I don't think WDFW is planting or translocating wolves. However, I find it highly possible that wolf groups would do such a thing. But these rumours do us no good in trying to have solid arguments to get reasonable wolf management.
Do I agree with wolves, of course not, but I say "Show Us The Pictures" otherwise it's just another rumour.... :twocents:
godd work piano.... :tup:
I agree.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 17, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 17, 2011, 06:32:17 PM
piano, I should clarify. It wouldn't be WDFW. I think they (WDFW) aren't intending to shuffle wolves. It would be USFWS and the NPS. The same groups that brought the wolves to the rockies. Not sure when they (USFWS/NPS) would plan to do it, if they ever actually do. Just because WDFW isn't planning on doing it, doesn't mean another part of the government can't.
OK, but a move like that would have to be in conjunction with the WDFW and is in direct opposition to their plan. I don't think the feds can usurp the power of the local authority without a court action. I may be naive.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 17, 2011, 06:50:29 PM
OK, but a move like that would have to be in conjunction with the WDFW and is in direct opposition to their plan. I don't think the feds can usurp the power of the local authority without a court action. I may be naive.According to the groups around here (olympic park associates and olympic forest coalition) WDFW doesn't have the authority to prohibit the reintroduction onto federal lands.
Post by: greenhead_killer on December 17, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Post by: deleted BGS on December 17, 2011, 10:00:36 PM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 17, 2011, 10:40:23 PM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 17, 2011, 11:15:13 PM
Ed Bangs would not want you to read the novel. Yeah I know it is a "novel" and who is Ed Bangs? we must understand that most lies contain a fragment of truth. only Iditerod dogs cross the border, at lame crossings such as Sweetgrass Montana. and Loomis Washington, with the proper paperwork. A border inspector would only check the paperwork, and would not know a sled dog from a sedated wolf. But I am the only one who defends the WDFW, simply because I do not think a State agency and their hired help could be smart enough to pull it off without being caught.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 18, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
It is the Washington dept of Fish and Wildlife not the Washington dept of fish and elk or the dept of fish and deer. Wildlife is all inclusive.
Jack, there's a huge difference between introducing the wolf and introducing the wolf irresponsibly. I think there's a place for the wolf in our state's ecosystem/balance of wildlife, but experience gained from MT, WY, and Idaho, and scientific data have all shown that the plan that our WDFW has adopted is irresponsible at best and quite possibly prove catastrophic to other wildlife species. You point is well taken and abundance of all wildlife in our state should be the goal.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 18, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
OK, but a move like that would have to be in conjunction with the WDFW and is in direct opposition to their plan. I don't think the feds can usurp the power of the local authority without a court action. I may be naive.According to the groups around here (olympic park associates and olympic forest coalition) WDFW doesn't have the authority to prohibit the reintroduction onto federal lands.
You make a valid point. This morning, I've written to both the NPS and the USFWS the following email. I modified the one to the NPS:
Dear Sirs,
I'm writing to find out if it is the policy of the USFWS to release any wolves into our state. I would also like to know if this would ever be done without the cooperation of the WA Dept. of Fish & Wildlife. I would appreciate the courtesy of a reply. Thanks so much.
John W
Vancouver, WA
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 18, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
that word suggests the WDFW brought them here. and until someone can prove otherwise , I believe that to be incorrect.
Granted the state has done nothing to stop the wolves from coming across the state line, however I do not think Jesus could stop them from entering Washington.
When Ed Bangs of the USFWS started his grand scheme in Montana, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Do I trust the WDFW? NO I do not, however I trust that the problem is not how or who, I'd rather work to find the actual #s as I do not trust any agency to be the sole provider of data.
Until the 15 BP's are proven to exist, obviously the wolf commission will do nothing, if it can be proven that number exist, then at that time petition the governor and the commission to start control measures, Hopefully the trapping in Idaho helps to reach the Quota in that state.
Perhaps the sportsmen of this state should work on changing the current trapping laws, to prepare for the future, I am sure it will be needed.
In all honesty, I do not like wild canines of any ilk, however I will abide by the laws of the state. make no mistake I am not your enemy.
I still say the response from WDFW was good, at least there was a response, however if I was the one who wrote the response with the information I had in hand, and then read this thread , I certainly would question why I bothered.
Damned if you do,damned if you don't.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 18, 2011, 11:34:06 AM
pianoman, I guess I just do not see how WDFW "introduced" wolves into the state.
that word suggests the WDFW brought them here. and until someone can prove otherwise , I believe that to be incorrect.
Granted the state has done nothing to stop the wolves from coming across the state line, however I do not think Jesus could stop them from entering Washington.
When Ed Bangs of the USFWS started his grand scheme in Montana, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Do I trust the WDFW? NO I do not, however I trust that the problem is not how or who, I'd rather work to find the actual #s as I do not trust any agency to be the sole provider of data.
Until the 15 BP's are proven to exist, obviously the wolf commission will do nothing, if it can be proven that number exist, then at that time petition the governor and the commission to start control measures, Hopefully the trapping in Idaho helps to reach the Quota.
Perhaps the sportsmen of this state should work on changing the current trapping laws, to prepare for the future, I am sure it will be needed.
In all honesty, I do not like wild canines of any ilk, however I will abide by the laws of the state. make no mistake I am not your enemy.
I still say the response from WDFW was good, at least there was a response, however if I was the one who wrote the response with the information I had in hand, and then read this thread , I certainly would question why I bothered.
Damned if you do,damned if you don't.
We're in complete agreement on all of your points. This thread was started about a rumor and I got the state's answer and am satisfied with it until proven otherwise. Now, we wait to see the responses from the two federal agencies and I will post those, as well. Once they make a statement, they're accountable to it.