Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 07:56:50 AM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 08:02:07 AM
Did anyone hear how the tags went this year in there :dunno:
Post by: buckmaster_wa on December 16, 2011, 08:05:36 AM
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 08:06:54 AM
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 08:10:21 AM
I am also curious how the late tags went in there this year.I saw pictures of two of the bulls which were taken there both were non-typical and pretty nice.
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
Actually the Odoms will still retain the rights to farm and graze the ranch.that could be cool if they were willing to work with the hunters! Be curious to see how this goes
it's a wonder nothing made it on here :dunno:I am also curious how the late tags went in there this year.I saw pictures of two of the bulls which were taken there both were non-typical and pretty nice.
Post by: TheHunt on December 16, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Hopefully, this will allow more access on the property.
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 08:22:57 AM
Post by: kckrawler on December 16, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/dec/11/state-acquiring-land-near-grande-ronde/
Post by: high country on December 16, 2011, 08:52:12 AM
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 16, 2011, 09:50:53 AM
Post by: halflife65 on December 16, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
But I'm not sure that changing ownership to WDFW is a bad thing and why it would change where the wolves went. The area is still being grazed and will continue to be, evidently, so people will be around. As far as I can tell wolves can't read, or maybe just don't care about, No Hunting/Trespassing signs. If wolves are going to show up there then they are just going to show up, no matter who owns the property.
Post by: rtspring on December 16, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
Post by: halflife65 on December 16, 2011, 10:13:57 AM
Post by: WSU on December 16, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 12:21:32 PM
Post by: windygorge on December 16, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 16, 2011, 12:49:05 PM
For hunting purposes, yes I like the idea of having more land available. But as we keep getting reminded it isn't Fish and Game, it's
Post by: windygorge on December 16, 2011, 01:00:31 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 16, 2011, 01:06:35 PM
Post by: windygorge on December 16, 2011, 01:27:21 PM
Post by: JLS on December 16, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2011, 01:35:14 PM
Washington has $2billion in debt. How can they afford buying it. Wolves will move in quick wipe all Elk.
This friggin' state has money to spend on what THEY want, they're not broke. More price increases for licenses, tags etc. You can count on it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2011, 01:36:38 PM
Actually the Odoms will still retain the rights to farm and graze the ranch.
Are these the rich Odoms that sell booze ?
Post by: WSU on December 16, 2011, 01:37:04 PM
Post by: windygorge on December 16, 2011, 01:46:33 PM
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 16, 2011, 01:47:27 PM
Related to but not the same.Actually the Odoms will still retain the rights to farm and graze the ranch.
Are these the rich Odoms that sell booze ?
Post by: boneaddict on December 16, 2011, 02:00:08 PM
Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone. The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife. He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them. Patrols it and hunts it himself. Game department bought it.........so what is up with that? AND could the same thing happen with this new property? The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property. Charlie Leman. Again, not sure about access for the average citizen. I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 02:09:42 PM
Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........ Similiar deal, different place.:dunno: you would think that if gov. ownes it then it should be open, but if he retains rights to work it then he probably makes the arguement that he runs the risk of damage theft of property etc. He could go written perm. then the state takes full responsibilty for damages. But if it was your land and you sold it and got to keep and work it would you give it up to others without being forced :dunno: key is he should be forced not get his cake and eat yours too! :bdid:
Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone. The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife. He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them. Patrols it and hunts it himself. Game department bought it.........so what is up with that? AND could the same thing happen with this new property? The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property. Charlie Leman. Again, not sure about access for the average citizen. I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.
Post by: boneaddict on December 16, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 16, 2011, 02:19:39 PM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
That has always been my take. I really hope someone on here knows more about it as it has bothered me for years. I'd love to photograph there. Its always bothered me he made millions from it and then its still "his" :dunno:have you asked to go out there :dunno: if it's owned by the state miht give you a leg up on getting on the land especially after the season and to take photos! it anyone had a problem with that then they are truely arsses! >:(
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 02:26:45 PM
This is just north of where the Wenaha Pack is in Oregon with a lot of livestock killed. Makes me wonder..... if there is other stories.yeah, it's right in the middle of the wolf grounds (that they are not in :bash: ) I saw two just north of this location and one to the west and we all know they are to the south and east! So yeah your wondering is prbably for good reason! maybe a little hush keep you land money :twocents:
Post by: luvtohnt on December 16, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
Brandon
Post by: WSU on December 16, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 16, 2011, 02:49:48 PM
Bone I was under the assumption that regardless of the type or wording of a lease or allotment, if the property is owned by a public entity (federal, state, wildlife, ect..) it is open to all public use. I may have to look into the legalities of this or maybe Bigtex can fill us in.I think the land manager/owner gets to say what public use is allowed. It depends on the land designation though. Federal land can be open for all for example, but may restrict ATVs, hunting, fires, dogs, etc. State park can restrict certain things. Some wildlife refuges restrict access to areas from all use.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on December 16, 2011, 03:30:24 PM
For the first phase, with the hopes of closing it in the next couple
Weeks. They have a total of six phases totaling 11,970 acres.
Post by: huntnphool on December 16, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........ Similiar deal, different place.
Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone. The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife. He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them. Patrols it and hunts it himself. Game department bought it.........so what is up with that? AND could the same thing happen with this new property? The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property. Charlie Leman. Again, not sure about access for the average citizen. I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.
I have wondered about that as well Bone.
Post by: WSU on December 16, 2011, 03:46:06 PM
Post by: bigtex on December 16, 2011, 04:30:10 PM
Washington has $2billion in debt. How can they afford buying it. Wolves will move in quick wipe all Elk.
Almost all (if not all) of WDFW land purchases now come from grants. No WDFW money is used to purchase lands.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2011, 04:58:28 PM
Related to but not the same.Actually the Odoms will still retain the rights to farm and graze the ranch.
Are these the rich Odoms that sell booze ?
10-4........
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 16, 2011, 05:09:01 PM
Post by: high country on December 17, 2011, 09:06:43 AM
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/services/gis/maps/county/mpl/mplco.htm
Post by: Atroxus on December 17, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........ Similiar deal, different place.
Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone. The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife. He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them. Patrols it and hunts it himself. Game department bought it.........so what is up with that? AND could the same thing happen with this new property? The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property. Charlie Leman. Again, not sure about access for the average citizen. I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.
There are so many things wrong with that, it makes my head hurt thinking about it. :bash: When I first read the OP, then the bit about the landowner keeping farming rights its pretty much the first scenario that popped into my head. Now I am wondering if I can sell my house to the government, but retain the right to live here? :bash:
Post by: 400out on December 17, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
Post by: Atroxus on December 17, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
:dunno: do you qualify for any state/federal grants :dunno: I bet there is a way to do it Hell they build brand new houses for families that make my "work my ars off for shack" look like... well you know :bash:
I don't know, but if I do qualify, I am not sure I actually want to know. If I knew could do it, I am not sure I could talk myself out of it. :dunno:
Post by: colockumelk on December 18, 2011, 05:36:38 AM
Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........ Similiar deal, different place.
Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone. The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife. He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them. Patrols it and hunts it himself. Game department bought it.........so what is up with that? AND could the same thing happen with this new property? The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property. Charlie Leman. Again, not sure about access for the average citizen. I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.
Now I am wondering if I can sell my house to the government, but retain the right to live here? :bash:
Atroxus you can do this. It's called a reverse mortgage. :tup:
Post by: Junkdog on December 18, 2011, 08:12:23 AM
I really hate hunting where there 1000 cattle roaming around, they chase the elk and deer out of the area and start bellowing and cause all kinds of problems trying to sneak up and any animal.
Post by: B.G.hunter on December 18, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Dogs wont be allowed when there are cows grazing, if you accidentally shot a $10,000 bull your in trouble. I think this deal stinks. I feel like we need to have state lands specifically for our hunting and recreational use.I have read the agreement on the 4-O but they already ranch and farm the property and It has more elk per square mile than any other property in the 172 unit. We have other property the WDFW manages over here and no cattle are allow on it. Those areas are getting overgrown with brush. Last year hundreds of elk were wintering on private land just of the wildlife management area. I would hope you would pay attention to where you are shooting so you don't shoot something you intend.
I really hate hunting where there 1000 cattle roaming around, they chase the elk and deer out of the area and start bellowing and cause all kinds of problems trying to sneak up and any animal.
Post by: Machias on December 21, 2011, 10:38:59 AM
Post by: high country on December 21, 2011, 05:37:31 PM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 21, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
Post by: mtman on December 23, 2011, 08:12:29 AM
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on December 23, 2011, 08:24:19 AM
Post by: 3nails on December 23, 2011, 09:00:58 AM
Unfortunately that's exactly what you are already doing. They own it. You just lease it from them. Don't pay them the money they are demanding from you and they will come armed and take it from you. :bash:Here is my concern and maybe someone in the know can help me out........ Similiar deal, different place.
Prewitts in Twisp, essentially Davis lake, Fuzzy canyon to Pipestone. The government buys the land from them...AWESOME DEAL for wildlife. He retains the rights, BUT STILL puts fresh white NO TRESPASSING signs up every year, LOTS of them. Patrols it and hunts it himself. Game department bought it.........so what is up with that? AND could the same thing happen with this new property? The game department also bought his neighbors...again more awesome property. Charlie Leman. Again, not sure about access for the average citizen. I believe access IS open on the Pipestone side, but not the river road.
There are so many things wrong with that, it makes my head hurt thinking about it. :bash: When I first read the OP, then the bit about the landowner keeping farming rights its pretty much the first scenario that popped into my head. Now I am wondering if I can sell my house to the government, but retain the right to live here? :bash:
Post by: NoBark on December 23, 2011, 10:40:59 AM
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this deal, probably am, but..... hmmm, I sell my land to the WDFW, however I retain the right to run livestock and farm it, no hunting allowed. Hmmm, I get to keep using the land the same way I am now, but I make money and no longer have to pay taxes. Wow what a sweet deal. We should all sell our land to the WDFW. Am I all wrong on this?
The only thing your missing that I can see is that, while they have sold the ranch and can continue to opperate as a cattle ranch, they are leasing the property from the state. Perhaps the lease is more than the taxes were? (I would hope so). No promises, but my guess is there will be a buffer zone around the buildings, and big game hunting will be by permit. Not everything the department does turns into a disaster. Just some of it! :yike:
This could be a good thing if it is indeed giving us new places to hunt, albeit by permit.
Optomistic because it's almost Christmas darnit.
Post by: JLS on December 23, 2011, 10:44:07 AM
It's easier to bitch and be negative.
I for one am glad the state was able to make this purchase.
Post by: highlander on February 11, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
Post by: Junkdog on April 21, 2012, 07:27:14 AM
WDFW gave over 1 million to WSU last yr for that stupid grazing project, only for them to show that livestock compete with wildlife for resources.
This measn we will be paying for wildlife biologists to fix fences and watertanks, this will cost us a lot of public money.
Also, even if WDFW put grazing in the contract it does not protect them from lawsuits since they still must provide high quality habitat for wildlife. More than likely WDFw make promises to 40 that they might not be able to keep because of potential conflicts with lawsuits and the public outcry.
Post by: Junkdog on April 21, 2012, 07:45:24 AM
Post by: high country on April 21, 2012, 07:49:42 AM
WDFW can TRY to restrict public access, they can try to bully people into thinking they own the land. Spring hunts where calves/cow are presnt may be restricted, or fall hunts too. I think this is a better deal for WDFW employess and well to do ranchers who dont loss anything and we pay for it.
WDFW gave over 1 million to WSU last yr for that stupid grazing project, only for them to show that livestock compete with wildlife for resources.
This measn we will be paying for wildlife biologists to fix fences and watertanks, this will cost us a lot of public money.
Also, even if WDFW put grazing in the contract it does not protect them from lawsuits since they still must provide high quality habitat for wildlife. More than likely WDFw make promises to 40 that they might not be able to keep because of potential conflicts with lawsuits and the public outcry.
Can you link us to show where the money was taken from wdfw? I am guessing it was alea grant or similar. Fence repairs don't often cost the state any money, as master hunters and conservation groups donate time for this.
Post by: bobcat on April 21, 2012, 07:51:39 AM
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WDFW Blue Mountains Wildlife Area Complex Manager Bob Dice reminds steelhead fishers of the recent addition of 2,200 acres in the Mountain View area in Asotin County, along two miles of the Grand Ronde River and north along Cougar Creek, open now for outdoor recreation. The acquisition is phase one of a multi-year project to put nearly 12,000 acres of the 4-O Ranch in public ownership for recreation and fish and wildlife habitat management as part of the Chief Joseph Wildlife Area. Dice says many of the new property lines have been identified with “Wildlife Area” signs, but a map is available on WDFW’s website.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/weekender/2012/feb2012.html
Post by: B Mo on April 23, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 23, 2012, 07:54:24 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=79.10.125
That particular RCW is for DNR owned lands, not WDFW.
Post by: B Mo on April 24, 2012, 11:01:53 PM