Post by: quadrafire on December 19, 2011, 09:10:15 AM
Post by: 724wd on December 19, 2011, 09:52:02 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 19, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 19, 2011, 10:02:04 AM
i know of a couple of people. Have you thought about joining a club? Evergreen has quite a few trad shooters, and some of them are the type of guys that would love to show you around a stick and string.:tup: I am a member. Been awhile since I have been out.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 19, 2011, 11:21:19 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 20, 2011, 07:32:37 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 20, 2011, 07:36:30 AM
Oh and thank you to Bone :chuckle: I am down to 2 arrows already, so better start closer
Post by: boneaddict on December 20, 2011, 07:39:49 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 20, 2011, 07:50:53 AM
Any suggestions? I need to get the bow on a scale and go from there to determine spine.
I think I am somewhere in the mid 50 lbs
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 20, 2011, 07:56:25 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 20, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
I would also recommend Hunting the Hard Way by Howard Hill. Chapters 5-8 give some great shooting and equipment tips. He talks about instinctive vs. aiming and how to do that. Published by the Derrydale Press.:tup: I am reading it right now.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 20, 2011, 08:01:13 AM
I would also recommend Hunting the Hard Way by Howard Hill. Chapters 5-8 give some great shooting and equipment tips. He talks about instinctive vs. aiming and how to do that. Published by the Derrydale Press.:tup: I am reading it right now.
Cool beans. His books are very inspirational/exciting. Although, those guys (Fred Bear included) had a bit of a different idea of hunting, ethics, and conservation back then. I'm amused by his list of North American animals taken with a bow including eagles, owls, etc.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 20, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 20, 2011, 08:42:38 AM
Although, those guys (Fred Bear included) had a bit of a different idea of hunting, ethics, and conservation back then. I'm amused by his list of North American animals taken with a bow including eagles, owls, etc.
Yea he was definately a proponent for slinging arrows. In one chapter he killed a bull elk at 175 yrds, finally hit it on the third shot. Had no qualms at shooting a running deer at 100 yrds. He was shooting a 100+ lb long bow, and definately went throught he arrows. Would take 3 dozen on a hunting trip. Fun read though.
STart out with aluminum as its cheaper and easier to maintain than wood... good practice arrows. I'd start with 2016's with 125 Gr tips and 5" feathers. I shoot 2016's or 500 spine carbons out of my trad bows from 45-55 #'s. I start out full length and cut them down to get them to spine correctly.
Thanks NW
Post by: high country on December 20, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
Post by: Machias on December 20, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
P.S. Once you get your arrows sorted out and start shooting, if you need some company. :hello:
Post by: quadrafire on December 20, 2011, 12:58:51 PM
You "NEED" to contact Ernie aka Hornseeker, aka the Sapphire Hawk maker/wizard/artist! He has a couple of sites that will really really help you. Finding the right spine and length of arrow is the first order of business and it's ALOT more involved than looking at an Easton arrow chart. ALOT more!!
P.S. Once you get your arrows sorted out and start shooting, if you need some company. :hello:
:tup:
Post by: boneaddict on December 20, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 20, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 20, 2011, 03:05:47 PM
Post by: high country on December 20, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
Post by: quadrafire on December 20, 2011, 04:06:14 PM
I have a 70# longbow screaming your name. It was fun until I discombobulated my shoulder....lol
:chuckle:I'm sure that would mess up mine as well. Mid 50s if plenty for me at this time. There may have been a time, but I'm turning into a weanie.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 21, 2011, 05:34:42 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 21, 2011, 06:25:59 PM
Post by: JBR on December 28, 2011, 11:21:53 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 29, 2011, 06:13:58 AM
Just finished reading Ch 2 of "Hunting the Hard Way" to my 3 boys ages 10, 12 and 14 tonight. It's the one where he took a 185 yrs shot at the bull elk! Ya, exciting stories albeit unethical shots for sure. Just got long 3 bamboo backed longbow build kits for my boys from Tom Turgeon at Boise Bows and Arrows. Only been shooting compound for the last 4 years, but excited to move into traditional with my boys.
That's way cool. What a great way to build memories with your boys. Right on!
Post by: boneaddict on December 29, 2011, 07:21:19 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 29, 2011, 07:36:38 AM
Just finished reading Ch 2 of "Hunting the Hard Way" to my 3 boys ages 10, 12 and 14 tonight. It's the one where he took a 185 yrs shot at the bull elk! Ya, exciting stories albeit unethical shots for sure. Just got long 3 bamboo backed longbow build kits for my boys from Tom Turgeon at Boise Bows and Arrows. Only been shooting compound for the last 4 years, but excited to move into traditional with my boys.Sounds like a fun project. You should post some pics along the way :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 29, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
Post by: foambeetle on December 29, 2011, 08:10:52 PM
I'd be up for shooting some time . . . I get out to the Evergreen range now and again, and getting out and doing some roving in the woods is always fun. I am not really a trophy stump-hunter, though, as I've been known to target lesser game like pine cones, bunch grass and clods of dirt.
Enjoy the journey!
Post by: Snapshot on December 29, 2011, 08:20:15 PM
And you may as well plan on attending the Sun Basin Traditional 3-D near Moses Lake in April...
I am curious about the length of your old arrows: if you shot a compound with a release in an open stance, I would think that closing your stance and shooting with your fingers would shorten your draw length. Would someone who has shot both types of bows please weigh in on this?
Post by: Whitpirate on December 29, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
Just finished reading Ch 2 of "Hunting the Hard Way" to my 3 boys ages 10, 12 and 14 tonight. It's the one where he took a 185 yrs shot at the bull elk! Ya, exciting stories albeit unethical shots for sure. Just got long 3 bamboo backed longbow build kits for my boys from Tom Turgeon at Boise Bows and Arrows. Only been shooting compound for the last 4 years, but excited to move into traditional with my boys.
I got a couple bamboo backed bows from Jay St. Charles... my 6 year old and I are going to learn to shoot together (I haven't shot trad since Boy Scouts). I've got my eye on Jay's take-down recurve in a 55-65..... but I'm gonna make it myself in one of his 3 day classes in Fall City.
Post by: BK on December 30, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 04, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
I suggest you contact the Wash-Ida Bowmen in the Medical Lake area. They consist of died-in-the-wool stickbow shooters (as are some here, of course), and have an occasional get together that would pay great dividends to someone new to traditional archery.
And you may as well plan on attending the Sun Basin Traditional 3-D near Moses Lake in April...
I am curious about the length of your old arrows: if you shot a compound with a release in an open stance, I would think that closing your stance and shooting with your fingers would shorten your draw length. Would someone who has shot both types of bows please weigh in on this?
Normally you would lsoe a bit of DL, but I actually gained an inch when I switched. I know my form got better and the loss of the D-loop and release may have added to that. Moses Lake is the most fun shoot I have ever been to... wouldn't miss it for anything!
Post by: quadrafire on January 04, 2012, 09:25:36 PM
http://www.tbwonline.org/Events%20Calendar/tbwevents.htm (http://www.tbwonline.org/Events%20Calendar/tbwevents.htm)
I picked up some gold tip 5575's. I need to get a fletch jig and get to work tuning some up. Anybody got a used Bitz Left wing they want to get rid of let me know ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 05, 2012, 01:26:34 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 05, 2012, 07:18:04 AM
Post by: boneaddict on January 05, 2012, 07:21:04 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on January 05, 2012, 07:40:05 AM
You are getting good advice. Personally, I started shooting cheap carbons. Once I got decent, I started shooting expensive carbons. What weight is the bow and what is your approx. draw length? Maybe I missed it. But yeah, the 35/55's would most likely be the ticket. I shot 35/55's out of my hawk bow and it was a bout 55# and I drew 28 inches.
The best thing you can do is start flinging arrows. Stand CLOSE to your target...there is no need to back up and start breaking and losing arrows. Shoot, dont be shy about standing at 7 yards. Shoot, shoot, then shoot some more. Once it starts to feel good, then you can move back a bit and start watching how your arrows fly. They will likely be flying like crazy. Then you can start tuning some arrows to your bow.
Just remember... you need a strong, stiff bow arm... then you need to have a nice consistent anchor. As you get to a bit over half draw, realize that you need to be using your back to pull the bow, not your arm...as you get near full draw, near anchor... squeeze your shoulder blades together. Your draw arm elbow should be lined up nicely with your arrow, nice straight line from your elbow, on through your shoulders, out to your bow hand. Or reasonably straight anyhow...
When you get to full draw, take about 1 1/2 to 3 seconds taking in your sight picture and the tiny spot you are gonig to hit...then relax your fingers and pull through your string for the release... dont move anything till the arrow has struck the target....
Gotta run...I'll get with ya more if you want later.
Post by: quadrafire on January 05, 2012, 07:45:50 AM
Checking in to see if Quad has put one through his foot yet. :):chuckle: Not yet, but I decided to shoot a couple before bed the other night. Pretty dark, but I could make out the target about 15 yds away. :bdid: Shot 2 arrows, saw sparks from each on the basalt rubble in the yard. Figured I had better stop at that point, before I put one through my neighbors window. LOL
Post by: quadrafire on January 05, 2012, 07:51:04 AM
I have not measured the wt, but figure it to be about mid 50's. I may be overspined with the 5575's,
Carp--- 6 feathers on an arrow? Got any pics? Do you need that for a big wide broadhead or just for the tuning?
Post by: Hornseeker on January 06, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
Definitely get yourself to hold at full draw for a bit. What happens is, your brain learns the sight picture...you end up being much more consistent, especially at various ranges. Your brain will subconsciously use your arrow, risers, hand, everything, as a sight... If you snap shoot you'll never really develop that and in general, it is much harder to shoot well consistently...especially past 15-20 yards. Out to 20 yards I can snap shoot and hit a vital zone every shot... try it at 30.... unless you are gifted, it wont happen. then go to 40 or 50.... Nope. There's a reason you see 99% of all top archers draw and hold.
Keep up the work!
Post by: quadrafire on January 06, 2012, 06:49:32 PM
I was following Hornseekers advice today of using my back instead of my arms. Makes a big difference. Just takes lots of disipline.
Let met tell you---- a wheeled bow is much easier to master. (That statement should stir the pot). I had a double robinhood----- yes 3 arrows down the tube with a PSE compound (at 30 yrds). Not that I am a sucessful hunter, but I am ready for the change to trad. My son or daughter will inhert my PSE.
Post by: high country on January 07, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
Post by: JBR on January 08, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
Sorry for the delay in responding about the bow making project, we've been...well...busy making bows.
We got the kits from Boise Bows and Arrows. They are 72" yellowheart belly and riser, backed by bamboo. The kit comes with the wood, glue, a flemish twist bow string, a metal string nock and instructions. We went to my buddies house since his shop has sufficient number of clamps for the glue up.
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Here my middle son and I work on getting his pieces measured out for the glue up. Prior to the glue up, each belly wood had to have the last 18-20" of the ends tapered down on a joiner.
Then came the glue up...
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Set and clamp...
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Once everything has dried and the clamps removed, the bellywood is trimmed on a bandsaw to follow the precut bamboo backing as well as trimming down the ends of the riser.
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We brought the staves back home to our garage and began shaping them with the #50 Nicholson Rasp.
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During this time, the riser on my oldest son's stave began to come apart. The glue that came in the kit dried quite fast and we had trouble keeping it all wet before the clamping, so we had to reglue the riser on his, using Titebond III woodglue. After that it was fine.
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The shaping with the rasp began in ernest
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In the middle of our project, we drove out to meet Jay St. Charles and spent about 2-3 hrs with him inside his bow making barn. Jay was extremely generous with his time and expertise, walking the boys through his shop and explaining the finer points of traditional archery and becoming a bowyer.
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Soon each of the boys were getting their first experience with a draw knife on a real yew billet.
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Learning about tillering from master bowyer Jay
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Enough longbows to make us all start drooling
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and finally they got the opportunity to shoot classic yew longbows for the very first time
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It's been a great start into the world of traditional archery. I'm looking to make my own take down yew long bow with Jay's assistance and have some billets that I'm looking at right now to see if they will work for it. The boys have their bamboo backed longbows rough shaped now and we will be going back to see Jay next weekend to show him the bowstaves and observe one of his 1-day classes.
This has kicked off several other related projects such as making our own leather arm guards by hand. Handmade leather quivers will be next and we hope to be ready to hunt turkeys in April with our self-made longbows, if all goes well.
Here are the arm guards we made and some deer antler bottle openers the boys have been working on as well for making money to fund their growing passion for all things trad archery.
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Post by: Camp David on January 09, 2012, 04:31:07 AM
Post by: quadrafire on January 09, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
What an experience. I'll bet their eyes were popping out of their head in that shop with all the bows and arrows.
I am Jealous
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Post by: quadrafire on January 26, 2012, 07:42:32 AM
I think that is a picture of me my wife took from our roof :chuckle: Looks like I am doing it ok then. LOL
Thanks for that. I should set up the video and watch it to see how I am doing. Or I could run over to Billings for a personal lesson :hello:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 26, 2012, 07:56:37 AM
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