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Title: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 29, 2011, 09:04:32 PM: I seriously looking into one of these rifles in the .300 win mag. Anyone have any good/bad experiences?
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 12:49:15 AM: My buddy has one is 300 win mag. He really likes it and thinks it's the cat's meow. I have shot it working up loads with him, and have yet to see it shoot under 1" most of his groups are around 2" with it. Havent found a load it loves yet, he has shot a few with his. By no means would I look at it to be a longer range gun like 300+ because I don't think it shoots well enough for that style of hunting.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 07:44:05 PM: Are these reloaded rounds? I would think that would be more of a shooter/scope differencial? What rounds is he using in it? The biggest appeal to me is the semi auto and the recoil reduction. And the benelli name as they are a great company. I wouldnt take 500 or 600 yard shots but I would say I would want a gun that Im comfortable with a 400 yarder if I had to.
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Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 07:48:06 PM: My cousin has one in 300 WSM and as far as I know, it's always been really accurate for him. I think he got his best accuracy from Scirocco's. (factory rounds)
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 07:49:18 PM: It's not the shooter or the scope both of us are very good shots and he runs leupolds just like me. We have shot 5-7 types of factory ammo and probably close to 12 different reloads in it :tup:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: 400out on December 30, 2011, 08:04:10 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 07:49:18 PM
It's not the shooter or the scope both of us are very good shots and he runs leupolds just like me. We have shot 5-7 types of factory ammo and probably close to 12 different reloads in it :tup:
:dunno: sometimes it's not the name that makes the gun :twocents:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 08:21:29 PM: Do you happen to know the barrel length he was shooting? I have actually read that in the 300 win mag alot of people get the 22 or 24 inch barrels and that costs at the longer range and to go with the 26 or 28 for the 400 yard shots. But that was with any brand.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2011, 08:40:29 PM: The factors that usually influence accuracy the most are the shooter, the ammunition, and the gun: in that order.

A gun that consistently shoot groups of around 1.5 inches or better is plenty good enough for big game to 400 yards or even beyond if the shooter is capable.

The reviews I have read of the R1 tend to say the following: accuracy is good, not great: 1.5 to 2 inch groups are not unusual; trigger has a two stage feel (lots of take-up) and is around 4.5 to 5 pounds out of the box; recoil is milder than bolt actions of the same caliber; follow up shots are quick.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 08:49:20 PM: Bob those reviews is spot on to my first post. Most the groups with a lot of different loads run threw it are around 1.5-2".is

I can shoot 1/2-3/4" groups in all my mags all day long. My friend that has it has around 60 guns and is a very good shot. The shooter is not the case with this gun. Both of us shoot very well :tup:

Quackin a 1.5-2" group is fine for killing any big game animal around here. I just like to see smaller groups. Do I feel it is a good gun yes. Do I think it is a tack driver no not by any means. Does it shoot well yes. Less recoil yes. I will have to ask him on the barrel lenght. I tired to call him and he did not pick up.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 08:50:35 PM: I know my cousin had relatively poor accuracy with his 300 WSM (2 to 3 inch groups) until he tried the Sciroccos. I think he's getting 1.5 inch groups with them.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 09:05:30 PM: Ha he just called back :chuckle: He said it is a 24" :tup:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 09:11:40 PM: Hmmm. Thanks Carps. Very good info. Yea. I am with you on wanting the smallest group possable. I just wish I could shoot it before purchasing it. Im trying to find one locally to just hold and see how it feels. Im just trying to narrow down a pros and cons list from people who have actually shot them and or own one. Other than barrel length, do you know what grain bullet you were shooting and range of the 2 inch groups? I have also read that the .300 win mag does best at the 180 grain and above??

Bobcat, I agree that you have to find a load that it shoots well. I would be happy with 1 - 1.5 inch groups at 300 yards. Im not sure the R1 comes in a WSM though?? From their website its .30-06, .300 win mag and .338. Or I would jump allover the WSM!
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2011, 09:12:13 PM: Longer barrels = more powder burn = higher velocity. Depending on the caliber, 25 to 40 feet per second difference per inch of barrel.
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Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2011, 09:14:44 PM: Group sizes are typically three shots at 100 yards unless stated otherwise.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 09:17:47 PM: Heck we shoved about every grain bullet made into cases for it. His hates the light stuff and for sure shoots the 180's best. The accubonds shot the best if I remember right.

Yeah and it would be 1.5 at 100 for sure not 300. You probably just hit the wrong key. Happens to me all the time. Ask Bobcat he knows :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 09:20:24 PM: Right. The groups I mentioned would have been for 100 yards. I looked at the Benelli website and I don't see a 300 WSM offered either. But I know my cousin has one in 300 WSM. But he got his about five years ago. I guess they dropped the WSM.

I wouldn't buy it for long range accuracy, but for fast follow up shots.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 09:23:43 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 09:05:30 PM
Ha he just called back :chuckle: He said it is a 24" :tup:

Thanks! That may just be the kicker. A very educated guy talked about the difference between 7mm mags, .300 WSM and .300 win mag, and the one thing he was adiment on was the barrel length on the .300 win. for 400 yard shot groups. Basically said if you want to take advantage of the reach then you must get the 26 inch at minimum. But that was for all brands. Very good write up from the guy. I appreciate your help fellas. Please continue with the info. Im still in the research mode :) I would definately get atleast the 26 and consider the 28. I just wonder how it groups with the longer barrel??
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 09:25:20 PM: Quote from: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 09:23:43 PM
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 09:05:30 PM
Ha he just called back :chuckle: He said it is a 24" :tup:

Thanks! That may just be the kicker. A very educated guy talked about the difference between 7mm mags, .300 WSM and .300 win mag, and the one thing he was adiment on was the barrel length on the .300 win. for 400 yard shot groups. Basically said if you want to take advantage of the reach then you must get the 26 inch at minimum. But that was for all brands. Very good write up from the guy. I appreciate your help fellas. Please continue with the info. Im still in the research mode :) I would definately get atleast the 26 and consider the 28. I just wonder how it groups with the longer barrel??

A longer barrel doesn't have anything to do with accuracy. All it does is give the powder more time to burn and will give you a little more velocity.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 09:27:37 PM: Question: where are you seeing the longer barrel lengths being an option? I only see the magnums listed at 24 inches. :dunno:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2011, 09:29:01 PM: Actually barrel length can have an inverse relationship with accuracy. Longer barrels are often less accurate.

Barrel length should play a small part in your decision. There are far more important considerations like accuracy.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 09:31:47 PM: Quote from: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 09:27:37 PM
Question: where are you seeing the longer barrel lengths being an option? I only see the magnums listed at 24 inches. :dunno:

I think he was just saying it in general, like longer barrels are better in some ways. I don't know that gun and don't know if they make it in other lengths. I think he was just making a general statement.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2011, 09:38:02 PM: You might want to read this, and share it with your friend.

http://www.sniperschool.com/sniper-rifle-barrel-length
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 09:40:48 PM: http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/benelli_r1_rifle.php

This shows the 30-06 with a 22 inch barrel and the 300 Win Mag and 338 Win Mag with 24 inch barrels.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Rick on December 30, 2011, 09:47:22 PM: I just looked at Benelli's website. Damn...that is one ugly rifle.

If I had to own a semi-auto,I'd be looking at a Browning.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2011, 10:00:05 PM: Just remember one thing: there is no such thing as a "400 yard" gun. That is a myth promoted by gun manufacturers and blowhards. To ethically shoot at long distances requires a lot of practice: a lot. Lots of shooters hit targets at 1000 yards with .308s. Your 300 Mag with a 15" barrel (if legal) would outperform it.

"This caliber", "that gun" or "that scope" thinking is marketing hype for the most part. "Gotta have a 338 Lapua!" or "that scope is good to 1000 yards" sells product but has little correlation with reality.

Personally, I would suggest a good bolt action in a standard caliber like .308, 30-06, 270, 270 or 300 WSM. Savage makes some great rifles for a fair price. Used Rem 700s, Tikka T3s, and others can be had for around $500.

If you like the R1, buy it. If you end up not liking it, sell it and move on. Life is too short to keep guns you don't like.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 10:13:19 PM: Yea. The 26 inch barrel was from the write up. I must have just assumed it would be an option for the R1. I have been looking at a few different .300's. This one caught my eye first. Great info and write up about barrel length. I would have to agree about the longer shots and shooters skill. I really do not anticipate anything longer than 200 yards but I would want a gun that if I saw that trophy at 400 (and yes I will and do practice often) I would feel confident in taking it. I do like the quick follow up shot with the R1 but do not plan on it taking more than one bullet :)
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Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 10:25:22 PM: Generally with rifles there is only one choice in barrel length. It's not like shotguns where you can choose 26, 28, or 30.
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Post by: RadSav on December 30, 2011, 10:54:07 PM: Semi-auto's are prone to a lot of harmonic difficulties. A longer barrel would only make things worse unless you have one heck of a gun. Plus, the semi is usually for shorter range hunting and quick follow-up shots. If you have the time to set up a rest or a bi-pod for that long barrel you have the time to use a bolt.

I used to kringe every time a client would show up with a 26" barreled gun and say they can shoot a bear at 400 yards off hand. It just doesn't happen! For the vast majority of shooters 24" barrels are about as long as can be shot off hand well. Again, unless you have one heck of a gun.

I spent a lot of time in my youth pounding metal to 1,000 yards. And, if I may toot my horn a little I was always on the top of the rifle team board. But, I still always cut my 26" magnum rifles down to 24" for hunting (if the rate of twist allows). If you and your gun are special and can shoot them in ALL hunting conditions all the power to you! For myself and any client I've ever had in the field it's been too much.

I've been looking at the R1 in .338 myself as a backup gun on an upcoming Grizzly hunt. The 24" barrel was one of the things that I liked most. But, damn!!! That's one ugly gun. Starting to re-think and go with a 20" Ruger 338RCM or 21" 375 Sako Kodiak.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 10:54:29 PM: http://www.benelliusa.com/assets/reviews/docs/BenelliR1GunHunter10-09.pdf

Here is a review on their site. Its out of a magazine, but pretty consistant with Carps review of the 1.5 inch grouping. I think I want to try to find this rifle and hold it for feel. Rick may think its ugly, (I think he just saw the gnarley cheek pad that is their tallest) but with the smaller cheek pad, I think its an attractive rifle. I just wish they had a shoot for a month trial period like mattresses :tup: I wish they had more reviews regarding range.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 10:59:34 PM: Range? It's gonna be about the same as any other "average" big game rifle. Should be good to 300 yards, and MAYBE 400 if you find a good accurate load that the rifle likes, and if you practice a lot.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 30, 2011, 11:04:24 PM: Hmmm. I guess I will know a little more after I can actually shoulder it. So, what are considered an average grouping at 100 yards? And what .300 win mag or WSM are "above" average and or considered average? Thanks radsav. The more I think about it, the barrel length makes sense.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2011, 11:08:29 PM: Most people strive for a 1 inch group at 100 yards. But just your average rifle and average load I guess would be about 2 inches at 100 yards. I don't like to hunt with anything that won't group 1 1/2 inches or better.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: RadSav on December 30, 2011, 11:19:29 PM: Don't forget these are normally groups off the bench. Expect under hunting conditions and stress you'll shoot a good bit worse. If your gun shoots 2" off the bench and you shoot it 3" in the field that's 9" at 300! If you shoot 1.5" in the field that's 4.5" at 300. Myself, I like those odds much better!
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: RadSav on December 30, 2011, 11:27:38 PM: Quote from: Rick on December 30, 2011, 09:47:22 PM
I just looked at Benelli's website. Damn...that is one ugly rifle.

If I had to own a semi-auto,I'd be looking at a Browning.

A buddy of mine has a 20 guage Benelli that looks a lot like the R1. My dogs would not hunt with him unless I was right there. I suppose it could be the dogs, but my guess is they were scared of that ugly gun.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2011, 11:38:54 PM: Quote from: RadSav on December 30, 2011, 10:54:07 PM

I used to kringe every time a client would show up with a 26" barreled gun and say they can shoot a bear at 400 yards off hand. It just doesn't happen! For the vast majority of shooters 24" barrels are about as long as can be shot off hand well. Again, unless you have one heck of a gun.

I've been looking at the R1 in .338 myself as a backup gun on an upcoming Grizzly hunt. The 24" barrel was one of the things that I liked most. But, damn!!! That's one ugly gun. Starting to re-think and go with a 20" Ruger 338RCM or 21" 375 Sako Kodiak.

If a client said that to me I would slap them and tell them if there is no time to get a rest there is no time for a shot :chuckle:

GET THE KODIAK!!!!!! One of the best shooting magnums I have ever had the chance to shoot. Almost all my long range rifles are built and use the sako action. I had a chance to shoot one in 338wm and loved it!!!
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2011, 12:50:26 AM: If I had slapped every one that told me 400 yards was a high percentage shot for them I'd of had no return clients! Amazing how good they are when they do not know you. I got most of my clients inside 50 yards on bear and I still think we missed as many as we hit. Something about bear makes a grown man shake like a woman in a bridel shop. Had two guys in three years that actually puked on my boots they got so excited. Sometimes 200 yards away has it's advantages.

Since the gun will be a "back-up" gun I wasn't sure I wanted the weight of the Kodiak on my back along with my bow. Especially if we have to snowshoe into Baribeau. That would be 16 pounds of weapons added to an already 35-40 pound pack I carry in the spring. Though at that point the extra 3 pounds probably isn't going to make or break the hunt.

I nearly died up there hunting goat when I had a lung infection and decided to lighten my pack. Luckily my guide broke his pack the day before and was carrying my back-up with a full survival duffel in it. It was a rough night at 7,000' and minus 18C, but a good guide, heavy drugs, PowerGel and the extra bivy and blankets got us through none the worse for wear. RAD tip of the day - don't climb 3,000 vertical feet in below freezing weather if you have a lung infection.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 31, 2011, 03:16:53 AM: Yeah not a good idea :chuckle: the r1 is pretty light for a semi so it could be a good pic for you then. I agree with you a couple of pounds won't break you. Most of mine are in the 11 pound range. Sure I could be about 3 pounds lighter but with a 40lb pack already on 3 extra pounds will not hurt. Part of what made the sako shoot so well was the weight. Great gun to have in your hands when crap hits the fan.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2011, 07:41:05 AM: Quote from: RadSav on December 30, 2011, 11:27:38 PM
Quote from: Rick on December 30, 2011, 09:47:22 PM
I just looked at Benelli's website. Damn...that is one ugly rifle.

If I had to own a semi-auto,I'd be looking at a Browning.

A buddy of mine has a 20 guage Benelli that looks a lot like the R1. My dogs would not hunt with him unless I was right there. I suppose it could be the dogs, but my guess is they were scared of that ugly gun.
:lol4:
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Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 08:10:23 AM: lol too funny. I guess thats where its personal preference. I hunt with a benelli nova 12 gauge and am a very solid shot out to about 50 yards on ducks. Thats where I think the r1 attracts me. I really enjoy my nova as it shoots very well and feels very good on my shoulder. The sako, is that made by Tikka? I have looked into them and read reviews aswell. About the same mixed percentage as the R1. Although I havent seen a rifle yet that has all great reviews. That is what is making this descision kind of frustrating :P
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 08:13:37 AM: Tikka and Sako are both imported by Beretta.

FWIW I have yet to read a very critical review of the T3.
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Post by: Curly on December 31, 2011, 08:21:11 AM: You should take a look at the Browning Semi Auto rifles if you are set on getting a semi auto. Browning has been making them for 45 years and the BAR's have a great reputation for being tough, dependable, and accurate.

Also, why are you thinking semi-auto? :dunno:
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Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 08:45:04 AM: Because I have never really owned one lol. Not really set on it, I was just cruisin through the benelli website and came across the R1. Im not really a browning fan. Not sure why, just never really have been. When I go look at a few, Im definately going to shoulder a couple Tikkas and maybe some savages. I have read some reviews of the R1 that some guys took a few animals with it and were able to actually watch the impact through their scope as there wasnt any muzzle jump and they were pretty impressed. Not sure what I'm going to get :dunno: Im really not against 1.5 inch groups. put in 190 grains and even at an inch or two, that animal isnt going anywhere :) But Im still unsure. I know I can make a steady shot in the field off of sticks or with a natural rest if I do happen to get the jitters or am out of breath. I have just been away from rifle hunting for the last almost 10 years as I have been strictly archery and now want to change it up a bit. I do have to admit that the recoil reduction and the fast followups also a very attractive aspect of the R1, but it wont keep me from buying a bolt action if I find one that fits well. Beretta is another favorite company of mine aswell. Hmmm. just dunno. I want a gun that is great at short and long ranges with a heavy load. I joke that Im going to get a long range rifle and go still end up with a 20 yard shot just out of habit :hunt2:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 08:47:44 AM: Quote from: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 08:45:04 AM
Im really not against 1.5 inch groups. put in 190 grains and even at an inch or two, that animal isnt going anywhere
I do have to admit that the recoil reduction and the fast followups also a very attractive aspect of the R1,
If you do the first part right, you don't need a follow up shot... ;)
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 08:54:44 AM: Totally agree Bob! Its kind of like how I explained archery to a buddy, I wont pull the trigger unless I am 100% confident Im going to hit and drop my target. But sometimes things happen and I have had to also shoot a buddies animal due to poor shot. Just good to know its there if needed.
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Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2011, 09:04:59 AM: You'd be amazed at how quick you can get off a follow up shot with a bolt action. I believe it's been more than once where I took two shots at an animal and my hunting partner who was nearby heard the shots but thought it was someone else, because he knew I had a bolt action and there's no way I could get two shots off that quick.

And by the way, most of the times I can think of when I have taken a second shot, the second shot was not needed because the first shot was a good hit. I just didn't know it at the time.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2011, 09:10:42 AM: I bet you're more likely to get an R1 that will get 2" groups (or larger) than one that can get 1.5" groups. And it will likely take you lots of time and ammo to find the load that will get you 1.5" groups. :twocents:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 09:13:01 AM: Quote from: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 08:54:44 AM
I wont pull the trigger unless I am 100% confident Im going to hit and drop my target.
I would accept 95%. In all my years of hunting, I've only had to shoot more than once a few times. It does happen, especially on larger animals like elk where you hit it the first time but the animal does not react. It should be rare than a second shot is necessary to kill an animal.

I think you need to decide which is more important: recoil reduction and/or very quick follow-up shots, or extreme long range (>400 yards) accuracy. The R1 is a good choice for the first. If you really want extreme accuracy, I think you'll possibly end up disappointed with the R1.
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Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 09:24:06 AM: Yea. I have a feeling that if I dont get the R1 its going to be a Tikka t3. I really just wish they had a try before you buy kind of like buying a bow. ugh. lol.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 31, 2011, 12:10:33 PM: Now that would be sweet :chuckle: some gun shops do it with handguns. They have stock guns you can test. Its pretty sweet!
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 12:56:44 PM: So. After a morning of talking, days of researching and really wanting to hear good things about the R1 I have made a descision. I shouldered a few guns and even the Sako .300 win mag and I have decided to go with....................................................... Tikka T3 light .300 WSM! I am looking at the nikon monarch scope or the buckmaster scope and whether the BDC is worth it or if it just gets in the way. Thanks for all the info and help. The R1's grouping was the deciding factor. The Tikka T3 has an out of the box under 1" gaurentee and the guy that helped me said he shoots through the same hole up to 300 yards with his .300 wsm.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 12:57:47 PM: I still really want to throw some rounds through the R1 though. I think it would be perfect in the .338 caliber for recoil reduction on a very large round.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2011, 01:53:59 PM: Quote from: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 12:56:44 PM
the guy that helped me said he shoots through the same hole up to 300 yards with his .300 wsm.

:bs:

Sorry but that guy was lying, or you misunderstood. No way is he shooting groups at 300 yards with all shots in the same hole. MAYBE at 100 yards.

But, regardless of that, you made a good choice. Only thing I'd be leery about is the recoil with that light rifle in a 300 mag. You might want to shoot relatively light bullets to help keep that down somewhat. Try Barnes 150 grain.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 02:30:46 PM: I can do that with some of my guns as well, just as long as I can pick the hole to shoot through.

Good choice on the gun.
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Post by: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 02:40:44 PM: Eh, I believe him. He is a long time shooter. I initially asked about the .300 win mag and he pointed me towards the WSM saying my shoulder will thank me. He said just toss on a limbsavers recoil pad and its really no more kick than a 270. But the win mag would ring the bell in a bolt action. He said he is shooting the 165 grains pretty much through the same hole. Any heavier or lighter and he said the groups start to space out just a little bit.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2011, 02:44:00 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
I can do that with some of my guns as well, just as long as I can pick the hole to shoot through.

Good choice on the gun.

Yeah, a hole about the size of a baseball? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2011, 02:45:29 PM: You'll find out it will kick quite a bit more than a 270. Still a good choice. Just sayin, don't believe everything someone tells you, especially a salesman.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 02:52:04 PM: Quote from: bobcat on December 31, 2011, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
I can do that with some of my guns as well, just as long as I can pick the hole to shoot through.

Good choice on the gun.

Yeah, a hole about the size of a baseball? :chuckle:

I was thinking basketball...
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 31, 2011, 03:14:51 PM: Good choice in the t3! Almost brought a few more home with me today :chuckle: No kidding either :yike: Some good deals going on right now! We have one t3 that has been around the world and put threw some ruff stuff and always been solid for us :tup:
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2011, 03:47:00 PM: Quote from: Quackin_Archer on December 31, 2011, 02:40:44 PM
Eh, I believe him. He is a long time shooter. I initially asked about the .300 win mag and he pointed me towards the WSM saying my shoulder will thank me. He said just toss on a limbsavers recoil pad and its really no more kick than a 270. But the win mag would ring the bell in a bolt action. He said he is shooting the 165 grains pretty much through the same hole. Any heavier or lighter and he said the groups start to space out just a little bit.
I shoot a 300 WSM in a Browning X bolt, which weighs about the same as a T3. With 165 grain bullets, it is shootable for me and I'm recoil sensitive. I would say the recoil is not a lot different than a T3 30-06 that I've shot. I would not recommend either for a novice shooter, but with some disciplined practice the recoil is certainly manageable.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2011, 06:32:22 PM: Good choice on the T3. Not much better bang for your buck out there right now. I might have to get both though. R1-338, T3-300WM and perhaps a 22-250 in the M7 predator and you'll have a gun for every possible occation. I always think I've got too many guns until the next years catalogs come out. Then I realize I need at least one more :chuckle:.
Title: Re: Benelli R1?
Post by: sirmissalot on December 31, 2011, 09:22:41 PM: You'll be happy with the T3, you made the right choice, but you're not going to shoot through the same hole at 300 yards, just not gonna happen, I don't care if you're a long range shooter.

I shoot a 300wsm in browning a-bolt as well and the recoil isn't too bad. My gun came with the BOSS system and a muzzle brake, after having to take 2 shots at a deer once and my ear drums felt like they were going to bleed I took the muzzle brake off, and the recoil really isn't too bad, I felt I was flinching more because of the noise than I was because of the recoil.