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Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: Seabeckian on December 29, 2011, 11:22:07 PM

Title: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: Seabeckian on December 29, 2011, 11:22:07 PM: Interesting article. Wonder what the story will read in another decade. I do like how they at least acknowledge that in that specific application things seem to be working out, not nessecerily outside a national park.

http://summitcountyvoice.com/2011/12/26/wolves-spur-rebirth-of-yellowstone-ecosystems/
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2011, 09:19:05 AM: Great news for beavers and aspen trees.
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: mtman on December 30, 2011, 10:27:08 AM: let us hunt in national parks it might improve things too. This whole wolf thing is a joke. They act like they have more rights then us. I dont care who was there first. Were here now and I like to eat elk too.
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: buglebuster on December 30, 2011, 10:44:33 AM: :yeah:
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: Seabeckian on December 30, 2011, 02:43:35 PM: Im by no means pro-wolf. I just like reading the scientists, biologists, and all the other big brains great ideas and theories of how great the wolfs are. Thought this was a less biased read than most findings they disclose to the public...

Quote from: mtman on December 30, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
They act like they have more rights then us. I dont care who was there first. Were here now and I like to eat elk too.

Are you talking wolves or natives? :stirthepot: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 30, 2011, 03:09:18 PM: One of the points I made on the other thread was that Wolves will reduce the number of coyotes and have a positive effect on small game and bird populations.

Here's a quote from the above article.

"The coyote population decreased with the increase in wolf numbers, potentially allowing more small mammals that provide food for other avian and mammalian predators, such as red foxes, ravens and bald eagles."

Someone asked what good wolves will provide. This article provides many. You can learn, or be an ostrich and stick your head in the sand and say "If I don't see it, it's not really happening."
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: 3nails on January 01, 2012, 05:05:56 PM:             FY 2006         FY 2010
Coyotes         $174,492         $634,008
   Adult cattle      1 killed         4 killed
   Calves         111 killed, 2 injured      1,348 killed, 7 injured
   Adult sheep      135 killed, 7 injured      422 killed, 2 injured
   Lambs         698 killed, 14 injured      2,488 killed, 13 injured
   Adult goats      1 killed         9 killed
   Kid goats      31 killed         14 killed
   Chickens      19 killed         12 killed
   Geese         8 killed         2 killed
   Turkeys      5 killed         0

Wolves         $73,269         $512,981
   Adult cattle      17 killed, 2 injured      156 killed
   Calves         51 killed, 2 injured      454 killed
   Adult sheep      22 killed         728 killed
   Lambs         6 killed         48 killed
   Adult goats      0            2 killed
   Horses         6 injured         36 killed, 1 injured
   Llamas         4 killed, 1 injured      3 killed
   Guard dogs      0            3 killed, 2 injured
   Pet dogs      0            1 killed

Grizzly bears         $5,126            $21,481
   Adult cattle      1 killed         4 killed
   Calves         5 killed         32 killed
   Adult sheep      2 killed         29 killed
   Lambs         0            12 killed
   Adult goats      1 killed         4 killed
   Kid goats      0            3 killed

Black bears         $23,450         $75,785
   Adult cattle      2 killed, 1 injured      14 killed
   Calves         8 killed, 1 injured      32 killed
   Adult sheep      43 killed         106 killed, 2 injured
   Lambs         2 killed         13 killed
   Adult goats      4 killed         3 killed, 1 injured
   Pigs         10 killed         0
   Llamas         7 killed         0
   Chickens      0            15 killed
   Bee hives      17 destroyed         99 destroyed
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: 3nails on January 01, 2012, 05:08:34 PM: Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on December 30, 2011, 03:09:18 PM
One of the points I made on the other thread was that Wolves will reduce the number of coyotes and have a positive effect on small game and bird populations.

Here's a quote from the above article.

"The coyote population decreased with the increase in wolf numbers, potentially allowing more small mammals that provide food for other avian and mammalian predators, such as red foxes, ravens and bald eagles."

Someone asked what good wolves will provide. This article provides many. You can learn, or be an ostrich and stick your head in the sand and say "If I don't see it, it's not really happening."
Those are the statistics from Montana. Looks like the FACTS about coyotes are proving otherwise.
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: mtman on January 03, 2012, 08:01:20 AM: Sence you asked seabeckin. The wolves and the natives. They should not have anymore rights then you or I.
Title: Re: Yellowstone dogs
Post by: PlateauNDN on January 03, 2012, 09:07:53 AM: Quote from: mtman on December 30, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
let us hunt in national parks it might improve things too. This whole wolf thing is a joke. They act like they have more rights then us. I dont care who was there first. Were here now and I like to eat elk too.

I agree the wolves should not have more rights.