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Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: videoman on January 04, 2012, 03:23:42 PM

Title: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: videoman on January 04, 2012, 03:23:42 PM: Check out the youtube link.
I know the laser is not legal in this state but if you go to there website you can check out there hollow point broadhead.
I have shot both and I am excited to try out the hollow point in this state. I shot the hollow point broadhead clean through my glendale buck. Amazing!!!!
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: huntergreg on January 04, 2012, 03:35:52 PM: :yike:

now they have a broad-head for the poachers of the night!
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Post by: 724wd on January 04, 2012, 03:41:35 PM: without watching the video, i'm trying really hard to figure out how a perfectly linear laser in line with an arrow will benefit an archer in any way...
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Post by: O_mykiss on January 04, 2012, 03:48:22 PM: I agree. I fail to see the benefit of a laser beyond 15 or 20 yards. And that close, why do you need a laser?

Seems like the answer to the question nobody asked. :bash: Keep trying fella's.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 04, 2012, 04:05:30 PM: I have seen and played with these. You put it on an arrow and then sight that arrow in to a specific yardage. If the animal moves from 20-40 you will need to change arrows to the 40 yard arrow.
I assume the hollow point is the sake head without the laser? If that's the case ill pass. The heads themselves are junk IMO not straight and look like thunderheads.
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Post by: lokidog on January 04, 2012, 04:50:20 PM: Looks pretty stupid IMHO.... If it is so great, why did the guy still have sight pins on his bow?
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Post by: Archeryoutfitters on January 04, 2012, 06:49:38 PM: just something to spend your extra cash. on and to much to deal with in the field, what if the deer is walking you'll have to put one arrow away and get a new one out for that yardage. not even considering it doing its job if you ever hit a animal with one, just a sick joke.
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 04, 2012, 06:56:27 PM: Out to 70 yards at what lb., draw length, speed, etc. I know my laser on one of my AR's is visible at 100 yards in the right light conditions. It probably would take a lot of adjusting to get it just right. Interesting concept.
Add another $15 to an already $10 dollar broadhead. You thought ammo was expensive. :yike:
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Post by: jaymark6655 on January 04, 2012, 07:15:57 PM: So you have to have a different arrow for each yardage. Sounds stupid, plus last broadhead I shot was completly destroyed so that would probably become expensive pretty quick. Then there is the whole poaching aspect, laser broadhead :bdid: :twocents:
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Post by: Todd_ID on January 04, 2012, 07:54:52 PM: Very interesting adaptation of technology. Since it's a WA company I hope to see you do well. They certainly have the WOW factor.

Hopefully your material costs come down significantly for you so you can lower your price point. $50 per broadhead is a pretty narrow market; just ask Alaska Bowhunter Supply and Silver Flame, and they're only at $30-35 per head.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 04, 2012, 08:06:54 PM: Just the beginning of adapting the technology. The next version will probably interface with a bow mounted rangefinder and auto adjust the laser for range changes. The version after that will probably interface real time with the bow and have moving vanes so you can steer the arrow from the bowsight. The version after that will probably have a thermal optic in the broadhead and doesn't need to be aimed, just steers itself to the critter.
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Post by: sebek556 on January 04, 2012, 08:13:38 PM: :DOH: wow... just wow but sadly I think the will sell quite a few :dunno:
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Post by: jechicdr on January 04, 2012, 09:45:09 PM: A better idea (though not legal) would be to put the magnet on the broadhead and the laser on the bow? Wonder if you had it coming in at an angle if the intersection of the laser and your sight pins might also give you correct yardage...going to doodle on paper. And if set up right should eliminate torque.

Yes, can get a yardage doing that, but it would not correlate with the pins you would use.

Now if I had the laser emitted from the top of my bow (15 inches above arrow for my Z7 with 70 lb draw) hitting a target at 50 yards 5 inches higher than the point of impact of the arrow, you could theoretically have the point of impact within 5 inches of the laser dot all the way from 12-50 yards. Hmmm...interesting. If I mounted the laser on some sort of extension off the top of my bow (lets say 30 inches above arrow). I would be within 5 inches from 20-60 yards
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 05, 2012, 01:32:34 AM: Poor sales pitch on those. Funky idea and kinda cool but none for me.
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Post by: rebal69972 on January 05, 2012, 01:50:16 AM: :yeah: i think i will stay with what i have now
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Post by: D-Rock425 on January 05, 2012, 07:59:27 AM: Quote from: rebal69972 on January 05, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
:yeah: i think i will stay with what i have now
:yeah:
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Post by: longknife on January 05, 2012, 09:00:42 AM: Like a fishing lure, Either they catch fish, or they catch you!

Looks like a dumb idea, no way a laser will tell where you will hit at 70yards(like it says), let alone the whistle the hollow point will make at 280fps, animal will jump everytime!!
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Post by: jaymark6655 on January 05, 2012, 09:08:11 AM: Just thought of something else, I shot arrows with four vanes. I usually don't pay attention to how I nock an arrow and could accidently nock one of these suckers upside down resulting in a really bad miss.
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: videoman on January 05, 2012, 11:04:29 AM: Hey Guys I was posting thread to check out the hollow point broadhead not so much the laser. Bow plant just linked a video on youtube about the hollow point. Check it out.
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Post by: JJB11B on January 05, 2012, 11:28:15 AM: Yeah that sounds pretty dumb. My guess you can sight the arrow in for a certain range...Ill stick with my 6 pin sight and lots of practice.
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: Holg3107 on January 05, 2012, 11:47:11 AM: The only use that I see for this product would be bow tuning. Verifying that your arrows and your pins are lined up and flying straight in the "x" plane. Other than that I just dont see a practical hunting use for them. I think it would be better if they had these available in field points to use at the range for sighting and tuning purposes only.
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: JLS on January 05, 2012, 11:47:52 AM: I don't have anything positive to say, so I'll try to be careful and constructive here.

A hollow point broadhead will not enhance arrow penetration, it will decrease it. It is simple physics, you have a larger surface area that is going to increase resistance and therefore decrease penetration. Why do you think all the trocar tips are sharpened to a chisel point?

A laser dot is not any more accurate than a single pin sight, which in essence is what this product is providing you. Pure sales pitch with very little truth. However, it would not be legal here so it is a moot point.
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2012, 11:48:50 AM: Deeper penetrations because it is.hollow and bores out as it cuts? :chuckle: give me a break. Are these guys serious?
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Post by: lokidog on January 05, 2012, 02:33:51 PM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
Deeper penetrations because it is.hollow and bores out as it cuts? :chuckle: give me a break. Are these guys serious?

Maybe the hollow goes through the broadhead and into the arrow so the hollowed out stuff has a place to go? :dunno: :bash:
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Post by: Snapshot on January 05, 2012, 10:02:15 PM: It is a another gimmick marketed to make archery hunting easier for the dumb and lazy....a sign of more junk to come in the future!

[And some chide me for wanting to keep electronics off of bows and arrows...just wait and see where it all ends up if one exception gets made to the 'no electronics' rule!]
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: Johnb317 on January 06, 2012, 08:38:28 AM: give me a break!! Gimmick, and waste of money. Arrow flies in an arc so the laser is worthless...and hollow points are designed so a bullet expands and releases it's energy on the target. Bow hunting is not about transferring shock.
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Post by: JJB11B on January 06, 2012, 11:24:02 AM: Montec CS G5s
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: yajsab on January 06, 2012, 12:17:30 PM: This broadhead penetrates deeper because the laser will burn/melt the meat and bone infront of it's path.

I think this laser will eliminate the peep and sight up to 30 yards.
Title: Re: New Broadhead out on the Market.
Post by: jechicdr on January 07, 2012, 04:08:52 PM: I like the idea of a laser field tip. I'd pair it with a laser fixed to the bow. If you shot your arrow and it hit right or left of where the arrow laser point, you could move the arrow rest in or out to correct (in a well tuned bow, the arrow should hit in line with where it is pointing). The laser on the bow, you would want to to line up with the arrow rest and should line up with the arrow's laser at full draw a (if you torque the bow, the arrow rest laser would come off the target). Without torque, both lasers would hit the same vertical line, and if you moved the arrow rest in or out, the laser sight picture should stay the same. Once you had the bow tuned, you could move your sight pins in or out to line up with the laser dots.

I suspect I just described how real laser tuning is done...minus the laser in the arrow.

You could do the same thing with a sight pin, but when you moved your arrow rest in or out, you would have to adjust your sight in or out to compensate for the change.