Post by: bearpaw on January 06, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
Idaho Hunters Bringing Home More Wolves
Jessica Robinson
01/04/2012
In the first year Idaho has no overall cap on wolf kills, hunters have bagged more wolves than ever. New numbers show — so far — hunters have taken 197 wolves in Idaho, compared with 181 for the entire 2009 season.
No one knows why exactly the numbers are up. Wolf trapping is allowed for the first time in Idaho — but that alone doesn't explain for the increase, says Jim Hayden. He's the Fish and Game regional manager for the Idaho panhandle.
"They're a difficult animal to hunt. People are learning a little bit more about it," Hayden explains. "We have some minor networks that formed so people start talking to each other -– 'Oh yeah, I bumped into something up in so-and-so drainage.' 'Oh I didn't know there was anything there, I'll look there.' So we have more communication there, a little more experience."
Though Hayden thinks the biggest reason for hunters' success is -– more wolves. He says at least half the wolves hunters have brought in came from areas Fish and Game didn't know had wolf packs.
But some environmentalists think the population is much smaller. According to federal counts, gray wolf numbers dropped between 2009 and 2010 in Idaho.
Wolf advocates worry hunting could destabilize the wolf's return. So far, a lawsuit to stop the hunts in Idaho and Montana has been unsuccessful.
Wolf management in Idaho:
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/wildlife/wolves/
Copyright 2011 Northwest News Network
Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=144707031&ft=3&f=144707031
Post by: Special T on January 06, 2012, 04:03:58 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 06, 2012, 04:09:06 PM
"I was unaware that there was gaming going on in this establishment."
(Casablanca)
Post by: 358NM on January 06, 2012, 04:54:41 PM
I wonder if the undercount is due to politics, count criteria or just not getting the whole picture.
I am not trying to be critical here, but it sure looks from the information in this article that the wolves have been undercounted by a lot!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 06, 2012, 05:26:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 06, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
Looks like the anti wolfers claims that wolves were undercounted by a big margin may have been correct.
I wonder if the undercount is due to politics, count criteria or just not getting the whole picture.
I am not trying to be critical here, but it sure looks from the information in this article that the wolves have been undercounted by a lot!
Bingo, my thoughts too..... there's obviosly many more packs than they knew about or admitted to.
Post by: Special T on January 06, 2012, 06:37:09 PM
Post by: seth30 on January 06, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on January 06, 2012, 06:49:35 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on January 06, 2012, 07:01:42 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 06, 2012, 07:18:15 PM
The boys in Montana had some sure fire ways to rid there areas of wolves back in the frontier days ;) Too bad we can no longer use those methods :bash:
We could use those methods, we choose not to. What we want is a balance that keeps our programs that work and to not replace it with a policy that will bring yet more economic ruin upon us, abolish tradition, and really piss me off.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 06, 2012, 07:25:05 PM
there are something like 60 planes that have gone down in Washington state that have NEVER been found. Just think about that... These are stationary objects that leave evidence behind, and often had some kind of aerial search done to look for them... How could you tell how many wolves you have in a rugged area with trees? I think the tree cover in ID is nearly as dense as it is in W WA.... If the aerial gunning wasn't too successful in ID then ya they are gona need to kill a bunch and just have faith that they can make a difference.
Notice we haven't seen Sitka on this thread?
How about they're running low on food where they KNOW they are.
Post by: seth30 on January 06, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
:yeah: Gotta love those everychanging policies :bash:The boys in Montana had some sure fire ways to rid there areas of wolves back in the frontier days ;) Too bad we can no longer use those methods :bash:
We could use those methods, we choose not to. What we want is a balance that keeps our programs that work and to not replace it with a policy that will bring yet more economic ruin upon us, abolish tradition, and really piss me off.
Post by: bearpaw on January 07, 2012, 10:29:08 AM
there are something like 60 planes that have gone down in Washington state that have NEVER been found. Just think about that... These are stationary objects that leave evidence behind, and often had some kind of aerial search done to look for them... How could you tell how many wolves you have in a rugged area with trees? I think the tree cover in ID is nearly as dense as it is in W WA.... If the aerial gunning wasn't too successful in ID then ya they are gona need to kill a bunch and just have faith that they can make a difference.
Notice we haven't seen Sitka on this thread?
How about they're running low on food where they KNOW they are.
Sitka could be posting on numerous different boards lobbying for wolves, I doubt he spends much time on this forum, he has his topic he's probably using to bait in responses, unless he just happens to see this topic I wouldn't expect him to reply.
Post by: Humptulips on January 07, 2012, 10:52:08 AM
The boys in Montana had some sure fire ways to rid there areas of wolves back in the frontier days ;) Too bad we can no longer use those methods :bash:
We could use those methods, we choose not to. What we want is a balance that keeps our programs that work and to not replace it with a policy that will bring yet more economic ruin upon us, abolish tradition, and really piss me off.
Although they used strichnine, the most effective poison that has been used was 1080. Initiative 713 banned the use of 1080 and cyanid in WA in addition to bodygripping traps.
Post by: Special T on January 07, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
Post by: wraithen on January 08, 2012, 12:12:07 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 08, 2012, 11:03:55 AM
chocolate. Kills canines. They could probably just use the chemical in chocolate that does it.The darker the chocolate the more effective it is. Also, grapes can kill canines.