Post by: summit creek on January 15, 2012, 07:50:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 15, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
Did you mean to say 2 OR 3 point minimum?
Post by: billythekidrock on January 15, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
I would consider voting for a 2 pt min for modern if youth and seniors could shoot spikes. I would never go for a 3pt min with BTs.
Post by: Curly on January 15, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
Yea, a bit confusing to me as well.:yeah:
I would consider voting for a 2 pt min for modern if youth and seniors could shoot spikes. I would never go for a 3pt min with BTs.
Post by: buglebuster on January 15, 2012, 08:01:30 PM
Post by: summit creek on January 15, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Post by: summit creek on January 15, 2012, 08:08:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 15, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
I think it initially helped the herds on the east side but should have been off again on again type system, but the units that were already 3 point min. should remain.
I wish they would pull their heads out of their arses and come up with a youth 2 point tag that went through November.
Post by: summit creek on January 15, 2012, 08:55:37 PM
Post by: summit creek on January 15, 2012, 09:12:36 PM
Post by: lokidog on January 15, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
Post by: wraithen on January 15, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Post by: Lcl 66 Tinner on January 15, 2012, 11:56:56 PM
2 point might be OK but I will fight tooth and nail against an across the entire westside 3 point min. The reason being that only a small percentage of the bucks here (on Decatur Island) have brow tines, let alone more than a fork. Maybe put a 3 or 4 inch minimum length on spikes since the ones with those little pencil sized ones can be pretty small.I like this idea better then a point restriction. BT are the most elusive of all deer and its already hard enough, let alone putting restrictions on
Post by: Kowsrule30 on January 16, 2012, 05:04:25 PM
Post by: kglacken on January 16, 2012, 05:13:30 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 16, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
Post by: Turner89 on January 16, 2012, 05:25:10 PM
In the area that i hunt, big BTs are hard to find but that is most of the fun.
I think it's a bad idea because not everyone is a trophy hunter. Some guys hunt to put food on the table for there family. I'm not that guy I like big bucks like most people. I just don't believe we should stick it to that guy because we want more monster bucks. There's plenty of big bucks out there.:yeah:
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 16, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 16, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
If nothing else, the antlerless harvest could be eliminated. I know that's a lot to ask, especially since they're now selling 2nd deer tags for antlerless blacktail deer for $70. But if deer numbers aren't over capacity then why are they allowing so much antlerless harvest?
Post by: Bigshooter on January 16, 2012, 11:05:06 PM
Post by: summit creek on January 17, 2012, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: blacktail luv on January 17, 2012, 07:34:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 17, 2012, 07:40:28 PM
Post by: Turner89 on January 17, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Post by: kglacken on January 17, 2012, 07:51:19 PM
You know what they need to do, is give an incentive for anyone who kills a cougar- 10 points for every dead cougar, same as poachers.That is a good idea. Probably would never happen, but it would sure be a nice reward for people who helped out the deer population with a cougar kill!
Post by: summit creek on January 17, 2012, 09:36:24 PM
Post by: Turner89 on January 17, 2012, 10:04:14 PM
Personally I don't care because I hunt all private land and hold out for specifc bucks when it comes to blacktail. It is nice to be able to harvest a doe when it comes down to the wire, and I have done this a couple times now. The only reason I would be against it is because on the peninsula where I hunt I don't see any shortage of deer and big bucks are almost impossible to locate other then the rut IMO. There are already mature BT's out there, they just make it a habit to only move at night and hang out in nasty brush. Some of the biggest BT buck I have seen were only in the rut in person, they even eluded my cams. I vote no.:yeah:
Yea I agree with you Sundance. Same with my area. Except I don't hunt private land (well I do hunt private timber land open to the public). maybe thats what you meant by private land?
Post by: summit creek on January 17, 2012, 10:26:01 PM
Post by: elksnout on January 20, 2012, 08:04:59 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on January 21, 2012, 08:47:52 AM
Post by: grundy53 on January 21, 2012, 09:07:12 AM
i guess most people dont get it by leting the 80 pound 2 inch spikes live and the 2 pts it makes 4 great buck hunting in the future look at oregon 2pt minimum 4 black tails we went down there blind folded and killed 3 out of 4 tags only cause 1 guy missed it would have been 4out of 4 two 4x3 bucks and a 3x2 prety good black tail hunting for not knowing the area we seen a total of 8 bucks in 6 days smallest being a 2x2
I guess you don't get it. There are a lot of people that don't care about horns.
Post by: sirmissalot on January 21, 2012, 10:22:32 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 21, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
For 2010, GMU 568 had--423 bucks ( 156 spikes, 145 2pts, 72 3pts, 38 4pts, 12 5+pts). Seems to be similar breakdown across the westside. I'd think with the current season length, especially with a run of dry/warm weather it is wise to shoot first legal animal if you want meat.
Another thing is the predators (mainly cats). I think the tags should be unlimited. If you want to add antler point restrictions, then the cats should be reduced to allow those deer to survive another year. Let people shoot all the cats they can, not just one. So few people hunt cats anyways, it is not like they will all be cleared out, but maybe enough to allow certain deer herds to have increased survival.
Post by: grundy53 on January 21, 2012, 11:04:29 AM
3 point minimum for black tails would be ridiculous, many times you don't have time to count points, 2 point minimum is easy, if you see a rack kill it. That said, I'd love to see a 2 point minimum for blacktails in most units, one of the units I hunt a lot already has it and there are a lot of deer there and good success rates. It kills me to see all the little spikes killed on opening weekend every year. If you want meat go to the store and buy it... A lot cheaper in my experience.I agree. I would be fine with a 2 point restriction.
Post by: buckhorn2 on January 21, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
Post by: summit creek on February 03, 2012, 10:07:21 PM
I feel same as Grundy it would work for me. I hunted one year in eastern oregon where they made it a 4 point or better and there were big 3 points shot mistaken for 4 points and the game department changed the law the next yeat because of that reason.im sorry guys i like big bucks its not fare for me to want the rest of u guys to want 2 or 3 point minimus on b tails it really dont mater were i hunt i dont see a soul and wont shoot a 2 point but if lots of guys pass up these 90 pound spikes dont u think the buck hunting would be so much greater
Post by: RB on February 03, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on February 05, 2012, 09:24:42 AM
Putting a point restriction isnt about shooting bigger deer, it helps but it also improves the the the animals. You would have better quality animals with better geans doing more of the breeding.i guess most people dont get it by leting the 80 pound 2 inch spikes live and the 2 pts it makes 4 great buck hunting in the future look at oregon 2pt minimum 4 black tails we went down there blind folded and killed 3 out of 4 tags only cause 1 guy missed it would have been 4out of 4 two 4x3 bucks and a 3x2 prety good black tail hunting for not knowing the area we seen a total of 8 bucks in 6 days smallest being a 2x2
I guess you don't get it. There are a lot of people that don't care about horns.
Post by: lokidog on February 05, 2012, 09:49:47 AM
Putting a point restriction isnt about shooting bigger deer, it helps but it also improves the the the animals. You would have better quality animals with better geans doing more of the breeding.i guess most people dont get it by leting the 80 pound 2 inch spikes live and the 2 pts it makes 4 great buck hunting in the future look at oregon 2pt minimum 4 black tails we went down there blind folded and killed 3 out of 4 tags only cause 1 guy missed it would have been 4out of 4 two 4x3 bucks and a 3x2 prety good black tail hunting for not knowing the area we seen a total of 8 bucks in 6 days smallest being a 2x2
I guess you don't get it. There are a lot of people that don't care about horns.
Not necessarily.
Here on Decatur Island we mostly have bucks that will never develop brow tines or forks in their forks (i.e. they will be forks for their entire lives), we have some that will have brow tines with their forks, and fewer yet that will have branched antlers with or without brow tines (in five years here I have seen maybe five deer with branched antlers).
If you were to implement a three point or better rule for deer here, you would soon remove all of the genes for branched antlers or brow tines because there are few of them to begin with and there is little to no migration of new genetics into this gene pool.
In a population that has a better balance of genetics to begin with, you may not end up with this problem but in some areas you will. I would still place my choice on a two point over a three point restriction for the westside as a blanket restriction. I still believe it is a better idea to use management tools like antler restrictions based upon the needs of the population of animals in a certain area, not as a blanket regulation.