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Title: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 18, 2012, 08:32:32 PM
Okay guys I am going to purchase my first boat this year, but I am having a dilemma. Well it's a family dilemma. My perfect boat would be a nice 16' to 18' jon boat that I could fish and hunt out of, but my wife has other ideas. She wants something that we can load the family up in and head out to the dunes and do a little tubing, skiing, or just hanging out. I have looked at some fish and ski setups and most of them look okay for doing something, but they just don't reach out to me. Out of all those boats that I have looked at the only one that I really like is the Lund Tyee 1950. It has storage, livewells, and extra seats with a ski pylon. It might not be as cushy as my wife wants, but it is a nice 20' boat that looks like it would do it all.

One thing that has peaked my interest is a topic "Show Your Boats" that I looked at today with all the alumawelds, North Rivers, Northwest Jets, etc. They look like great boats. The other day I found a 07 22foot FishRite Explorer with all the bells and whistles, but after reading the thread mentioned above it seemed a lot of you prefer outboards vs. inboards and that boat has a big 8.1L inbd. Anyways I am hoping that you can help a fellow hunt-wa member out and give me some advice. Here is some more info that I am sure will be asked.

I prefer aluminum - not sure why
The boat will mainly be used on lakes of variable sizes and maybe some bigger rivers
I highly doubt that I would ever take it in Puget Sound or any big waters.
I like to fish for bass, trout, panfish, walleye, etc.
Absolute smallest I would want 18' and willing to go up to 22'. I think a 17' would be to cramped.
Has to fit a family of four and probably up to two to four guests depending on family or the kids' friends who might tag along.
Have enough engine to tow a tube, skier, or a wakeboard.
I am not to concerned about the hunting aspect - I think I can talk the wife into a specialty boat later  ;)
My budget is 10K to about 45k.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 18, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
One thing I can tell you is that I was a diehard Aluminum fan. With that being said

I own a fiberglass now, handles the water better and I dont get the crap beat out of me.

As far as inboard, they take up most of your space in the back area. They are a big motor crammed into a little hole that is an absolute nitemare to work on.

Joe
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Cap.Silver on January 18, 2012, 08:53:15 PM
 :yeah: Had 19' aluminium Thunder Jet with 175HP inboard Sportjet - I wasn't really happy . ..... unfortunately there is no universal boat but if I could I would do outboard on offshore bracket .
At this point I don't think it matters ,because in year or two you will buy bigger,better boat  :chuckle:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: fair-chase on January 18, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
You're going to NEED a Yellowfin 24bay boat (my dream boat) then you're going to NEED to take me for a ride in it.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: lokidog on January 18, 2012, 10:26:02 PM
Be sure to check the person capacity of any aluminum boat you look at.  My 19' Alumaweld Stryker is only rated for 5 people plus gear.  I know it can handle more as I have tripled the weight rating hauling building materials, but I am glad the Coasties didn't catch me.  The stupid little 10' plastic dinghy we use at the dock has a three person rating so I don't know why the aluminum boats are so sucky on that.

Aluminum is a lot less maintenance than fiberglass but it is definitely a rougher ride since they are lighter.  But, they use less fuel as well.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 18, 2012, 11:12:32 PM
You will be hard pressed to find a more versatile boat than an inboard aluminum jet. We have been in local rivers, local lakes, Stehekin on Chelan, Pend Oreille,  Puget Sound, Inside Passage Port Hardy to Rivers Inlet B.C.,Outside Passage to Barkley Sound, Alberni Inlet, Ucluelet, Bamfield, Port Alberni, Snake River, Salmon River, Columbia River, Neah Bay, Buoy 10 and too many other places to mention.
 
 We not only fish out of it but we ski, tube, party, cruise and do Seafair. I've got a full canvas top that completely encloses us in during bad weather and can take off the side curtains and roll back the center section for hot days and a little shade.
 
 From deep ocean to just under 4" in rivers, sometimes a little shallower ;) with no issues.
 
 I have a 70 gallon tank that comes in handy everywhere, except at the gas pump, and can make long runs without having to worry about pulling it out all the time to run to town.
 
 One thing to remember on the lengths, they take the length right out of the middle. So the difference between a foot may not seem like much but when you are sitting in the boat and see how it effects the interior you will understand. Get as long as you can afford, a 22' sled can handle a lot better than you might think.
 
 They are very easy to operate and maneuver, the last pic is my daughter driving.
 
 Lots of great deals out there right now on pre owned boats, great time to be buying if in the market. :twocents:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: high country on January 18, 2012, 11:34:48 PM
I have an 18' walleye type boat that I bought to fill the same needs. I wanted a jet sled, she wanted a ski boat...now we do our thing and it is great. Mine has a 115 2stroke that I played with and it is quick out of the hole and get great mileage. I have taken it up to stehikin for the high hunt and it is the smallest boat I would ever want to take up there. I would love an inboard jet, but I can do the trip up to stehikin for 13 gallons in my boat....never in a jet. You will find that your really need 3 boats.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 18, 2012, 11:52:57 PM
 I have a 6.0L and it burns about 8 gallons/hr. at 3200rpm, top speed is 52mph by Garmin gps. You will lose up to 30% of your power running through a pump.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 19, 2012, 12:20:14 AM
Phool what year is your boat? That looks like what want.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 19, 2012, 05:53:01 AM
Also take a loot at the Weldcraft Maverick.  They come with a ski pole and off shore bracket, which gives you a lot more room.  For me the boat does everything I need it to do.  It also has a deep V, which helps with the ride.  Not so much with shallow water. 
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: MADMAX on January 19, 2012, 06:13:51 AM
My current boat is an 18 ft Duckworth, its a great boat  powerd by a 115 yami and T-8 kicker used on CL within your budget.

Theres a bunch on craiglist

I sold both my 20 ft NW jet, 351 and hamilton 212 pump and My 22 ft Hewes with a 150 Honda.

The jetboat was big, loud, black and flashy, had all the bells and whistles and would do 50+, the only drawback was mostly the gas pumps, it was a 100 bucks everytime I went out.
The 22ft hewes was a beautiful boat, sipped gas , stable, big, lots of range, but it was pain to put on trailer alone and I go out alone alot to fish Hood canal.
The 18ft seems to fill the void nicely, go with a 4 stroke outboard watch where you buy gas cause ethanol sucks, you'll be happy :twocents:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: rasbo on January 19, 2012, 06:45:40 AM
had all the boats and drives except a jet ,Nothing but an outboard for me now...
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 19, 2012, 07:23:31 AM
The main problem i have with most inboards : there is no room to manevour when fighting a fish in the back because of the giant motor and cover sitting smack dab in the middle.  And jet's are less efficient that outboards  :twocents:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 19, 2012, 09:37:21 AM
Sportfury, mine is a 04.

I don't have a problem fighting fish. :dunno:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: JLS on January 19, 2012, 09:41:54 AM
The main problem i have with most inboards : there is no room to manevour when fighting a fish in the back because of the giant motor and cover sitting smack dab in the middle.  And jet's are less efficient that outboards  :twocents:

Jets are less efficient, but much more versatile.  I've fished out of a jet for salmon and sturgeon and we did fine.  You don't have to worry about tangling your line on the lower unit of an outboard.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 19, 2012, 02:10:33 PM
So I have been looking and noticed the Duckworths even the older ones are more expensive. They seem to be the top of the line so are they worth thextra money? So how do the alumawelds, north rivers, weldcrafts,etc compare? Right now there are a ton of used boats out there that are all set up. I am excited.

How many hours is to many on a boat and what should I watch out for buying from a dealer?
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 19, 2012, 02:23:57 PM
A lot of manufacturers have .187 bottoms, I would be looking for a manufacturer that uses .250, I know North River, HCM and the larger Northwest Jet boats do. Also, a single piece bottom is nice if running rivers, I have seen buddy's welded bottom boats develope cracks along welds.

If you are on the wet side and want to go for a run sometime just send me a PM, we might even be able to talk wacenturion into joing in with his boat.

Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 19, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
That sounds like a plan. That might give me a chance to learn some more. I am on the wetside down in Graham.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: tmike on January 19, 2012, 02:55:48 PM
I picked up this older Duckworth for under 10K. Had in on the Satsop Sunday, been to the Cowlitz, on Lake Sawyer, Shrimping in PS, on Mid Channel Bank, and to Sekiu several times. It's not a high end boat but solid and pretty comfy.
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Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: lokidog on January 19, 2012, 04:36:19 PM
I've put 10,000+ miles on my Alumaweld in the past 3 1/2 years, and yes, there are four zeros there!  I beach it regularly, pound through the 2 - 3 foot chop in the sound, and have even been stuck crossing Rosario Straight in 7-9 foot chop, not swells.  I do not go balls to the wall but travel at a reasonable speed.  The only wear I've had on this boat has been the snaps have rivets that corrode out, I've replaced one wiper motor, a throttle cable, front and rear running lights corroded out, and replaced the steering cable with hydraulic steering.  I have a few dents and dings and ripped the canopy but those have been due to operator error/miscalculation.

I think any of the boats you have listed will hold up well as long as they are not abused.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 19, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
Hey Loki, pick up some small plastic washers, about the diameter of your snaps. Put one behind each new snap when you rivet them back on. Then fill the inside of the male snap with clear silicon, they will last a lot longer. ;)
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: lokidog on January 19, 2012, 04:57:38 PM
Hey Loki, pick up some small plastic washers, about the diameter of your snaps. Put one behind each new snap when you rivet them back on. Then fill the inside of the male snap with clear silicon, they will last a lot longer. ;)

I actually put marine grease behind each that I replace as well as replacing the aluminum rivet with stainless ones.  I also put a little between the snaps so they will pop loose easier if I need them to.  thanks for the hint though.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Mossy on January 19, 2012, 05:46:12 PM
I picked up this older Duckworth for under 10K. Had in on the Satsop Sunday, been to the Cowlitz, on Lake Sawyer, Shrimping in PS, on Mid Channel Bank, and to Sekiu several times. It's not a high end boat but solid and pretty comfy.
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That is one clean looking boat :tup:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 19, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
Renasissance Marine Group, owns both Weldcraft and Duckworth.  They are both built in the same shop in Clarkston, WA.  Essential they are the same boat with a different name.  For me I felt the extra money was worth it.  I was originally dead set on buying a Hewescract.  We sat in couple and they felt a bit crapped, due to the narrow beam.  The Weldcraft had a 7’ beam, which just made to boat feel larger and stable.  The Weldcraft had a larger bow area for bass fishing.  This was important to me, as I wanted an all around fishing boat and family boat.  Yes pushing the cab forward gives you more room in the rear for salmon/steelhead fishing.   Generally speaking I only fish two people out of my boat, so I have more then enough room for that.  The fit and finish on Weldcraft/Duckworth is second to none.  The Maverick comes standard with Carpeted sidewall, painted interior, full gauges, canvas tow-able top, diamond plate hatches, full size salmon box, dual battery tray in the bow, and Yamaha outboards.  The interior is what really sold my wife.  She likes the boat as much or more than I do.  And we all know that is important.  The boat needed to fit her needs as well as mine. 

Northriver builds a very quality boat, but they seem to be even more expensive then Weldcraft/Duckworth.   Shop around and find a good deal with the options your family needs.  I never intended on buying a brand new boat, but I found a boat that had sat on the stealer-ship showroom for 2 years and the dealer really needed to move it.  Also whatever boats you decide make sure to upgrade to the suspension seats and a wash down pump, well worth the money.  All the locally built boats are good, just find one the works for you guys.   
 
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 20, 2012, 03:28:02 PM
Thanks deerharvester. I appreciate the information. What stealership, as you put it, did you use?

Also for those of you who own a jet drive why are Hamilton 212's the jet that everyone wants???
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Encore 280 on January 20, 2012, 03:33:48 PM
Have ya checked into a Wooldridge yet? I don't know anything about them but have seen them around. Don't know how big or how small they go or the cost. :twocents:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 20, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
Encore I haven't seen any used Woolridges up for sale.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 20, 2012, 04:14:11 PM
Siglers Marine in troutdale, OR. The customer service wasn't the best, but their prices were.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 20, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Also for those of you who own a jet drive why are Hamilton 212's the jet that everyone wants???

 Reliability for me, fewer moving parts than others and Seattle based. :twocents:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 22, 2012, 08:58:49 PM
Huntphool is your boat a commander or a trapper?
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: jackelope on January 22, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
Sportfury, mine is a 04.

I don't have a problem fighting fish. :dunno:

I have fought fish in the back of Phool's boat and can vouch for the fact that I had no problem fighting fish out of it.
You've got to watch the hull's pitch so as to not beat the crap out of yourself.  A flat hull, like a boat built more for rivers, will beat the crap out of you on a lake once you get a little chop.
Lastly, I don't know why a guy would buy a boat like what you're looking at and not want to take it out on the sound. The crabbing alone would get me out there. A  20' boat is plenty of boat out there, you just have to watch the weather a little.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 22, 2012, 09:10:27 PM
Huntphool is your boat a commander or a trapper?

04 Commander X
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntergreg on January 23, 2012, 01:25:59 AM
Sportfury, mine is a 04.

I don't have a problem fighting fish. :dunno:

I have fought fish in the back of Phool's boat and can vouch for the fact that I had no problem fighting fish out of it.
You've got to watch the hull's pitch so as to not beat the crap out of yourself.  A flat hull, like a boat built more for rivers, will beat the crap out of you on a lake once you get a little chop.
Lastly, I don't know why a guy would buy a boat like what you're looking at and not want to take it out on the sound. The crabbing alone would get me out there. A  20' boat is plenty of boat out there, you just have to watch the weather a little.


I have talked to a few guys with the big fancy aluminum boats that wouldn't even think of taking them out in the salt water.  :dunno:  Doesnt washing them off with a garden hose or just running them in a lake afterwords get the salt off??
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: MADMAX on January 23, 2012, 05:30:38 AM
Yup
and salt away through the motors
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: lokidog on January 23, 2012, 08:55:04 AM
Sportfury, mine is a 04.

I don't have a problem fighting fish. :dunno:

I have fought fish in the back of Phool's boat and can vouch for the fact that I had no problem fighting fish out of it.
You've got to watch the hull's pitch so as to not beat the crap out of yourself.  A flat hull, like a boat built more for rivers, will beat the crap out of you on a lake once you get a little chop.
Lastly, I don't know why a guy would buy a boat like what you're looking at and not want to take it out on the sound. The crabbing alone would get me out there. A  20' boat is plenty of boat out there, you just have to watch the weather a little.


I have talked to a few guys with the big fancy aluminum boats that wouldn't even think of taking them out in the salt water.  :dunno:  Doesnt washing them off with a garden hose or just running them in a lake afterwords get the salt off??

Worse than the salt is leaving it in the water so the barnacles can start growing on it as I think this also holds more salt against the metal.  Until last year (about 6000 miles worth in two years) I had no issues with salt and the hull of the boat because it was trailered after most uses.  Since I have started having to leave it in for a week or more at a time, I now have a little bit of pitting.  I think I need to add a few more zincs but just have not gotten around to it.  I would not stay away from the salt water because of a worry about salt!  I plan to bottom paint mine next spring (of course that is another can of worms with aluminum), when it warms up a bit, since I have a few more years of ferrying my daughter, and then my son over to Lopez Is. for school.

As far as flatter hulls beating the crap out of you, it seems to me it is more about the weight of the boat and how fast you go. 
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Wacenturion on January 23, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
I like Phool have an 04' North River Commander.  Only difference is his is a Commander X  and mine is a Commander.  I carry 80 gallons of fuel where he carries 70.  Same boat, slight difference in configuration.  Another difference is that mine has the factory hardtop.

Never any problem fighting fish.  Ask yourself this question...How much time does one spend in a normal day fighting fish compared to waiting to fight fish.  That doghouse cover is nice to sit on as far as I'm concerned.  Adds a lot comfort to the day in lieu of losing some open space.  I don't want to stand continually for 6-9 hours in the back, especially running a kicker. 

Easy off, and easy on the trailer.  I could do it myself if need be if I were alone.

Lots of fuel capacity, which I like.  Quick on step and runs pretty efficiently like Phools at low-mid 3000 rpm range at about 8 gallons per hour.  Mine tops out at about 48 mph on GPS, but then again I carry 10 gallons more fuel than his and have a full hardtop.   Mine is also a 6.0L with a Hamilton 212 pump with turbo.

There is no perfect boat.  If it gets nasty enough out there to be a pain to me coming in through heavy chop and getting beat somewhat due to the boat's deadrise, I'm already in.  Common sense goes along way with boating.  Age certainly improves your decision making on that front ...lol. 

I'm certainly happy with my North River.  As Phool says, lots of deals out there, and lots of great boats irregardless of what you choose, just don't get in a rush.  Make sure you find as many toys aboard as possible as they can add up quick....downriggers, electronics etc.  Even if the boat has lots of stuff that comes with it you will find ways to change things.  As an example I replaced all the Scotty rod holders (white...last photo) with brand new Scotty Orca's (black..nest to last photo).   

Probably another reason I don't mind that doghouse cover in the rear over the motor....my boat's name is "The Dawghouse". :chuckle:

Here's a couple pictures of the boat and occupants.  Third one was previous owner photo when brand new in the Straits near Port Angeles, and gives a good side view of it doing what it likes to do.


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Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Rick on January 23, 2012, 01:10:16 PM

Lastly, I don't know why a guy would buy a boat like what you're looking at and not want to take it out on the sound. The crabbing alone would get me out there. A  20' boat is plenty of boat out there, you just have to watch the weather a little.

No kidding. Fishing the Sound is 99% of the reason I own a boat.

Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
I like Phool have an 04' North River Commander.  Only difference is his is a Commander X  and mine is a Commander.  I carry 80 gallons of fuel where he carries 70.  Same boat, slight difference in configuration.  Another difference is that mine has the factory hardtop.

Never any problem fighting fish.  Ask yourself this question...How much time does one spend in a normal day fighting fish compared to waiting to fight fish.  That doghouse cover is nice to sit on as far as I'm concerned.

Lots of fuel capacity, which I like.  Quick on step and runs pretty efficiently like Phools at low-mid 3000 rpm range at about 8 gallons per hour.  Mine tops out at about 48 mph on GPS, but then again I carry 10 gallons more fuel than his and have a full hardtop.   Mine is also a 6.0L with a Hamilton 212 pump with turbo.

 Right, I too use the engine cover to sit on while running the kicker and made a shellfish tray for my shrimp/crab pots, it keeps the salt water out of the boat nd makes cleaning the shellfish easy.

 On the Commander X they incrased the length to 1/2' totals and added 6" to the beam, so its a little wider than the Commander and is 21'6" rather than 21'
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Yak-NDN on January 23, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Why a pump if mostly in the sound I had a Duckworth and it picked up so much crap i almost had to jump over to clean the inlet of the pump.  In the river I loved a pump I hated the pump in the sound and the salt water was a disaster to the boat. I spend most of my time in the Columbia river and decided to go with a prop on my new boat I do miss the pump at times but I fished with my new boat all last year without a problem and saved allot on gas.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: fishingnut71 on January 23, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
THUNDERJET! Get the outbord transom. Get the biggest hp it will take. Trust me it will pay off. With kids you will enjoy more hp as they will allways want more. Its easier on the motor and SO nice in every WAY! Luxor is nice but many options. Buy the cheaper boat and spend money in the motor. You can always upgrade interior in small amounts, not the motor.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: kenzmad on January 23, 2012, 08:38:51 PM
A lot of manufacturers have .187 bottoms, I would be looking for a manufacturer that uses .250, I know North River, HCM and the larger Northwest Jet boats do. Also, a single piece bottom is nice if running rivers, I have seen buddy's welded bottom boats develope cracks along welds.

If you are on the wet side and want to go for a run sometime just send me a PM, we might even be able to talk wacenturion into joing in with his boat.

I would be in for giving a ride in my boat Northwest jet 218 lightning. lets all get together on Lake Washington and let him ride and drive all the different boats
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Wacenturion on January 23, 2012, 09:28:28 PM
Phool....I think the dimensions are just the reverse of what you said.  The Commander is 22'.  :chuckle:

By the way...nice shellfish tray.  Looks like it has pretty good inside depth.  What's it made out of? 
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: wildweeds on January 23, 2012, 09:51:14 PM
You do realize that the dissimilar metals contacting each other will case the softer of the two to corrode more quickly right? The stainless rivet in the aluminum will cause the aluminium to chalk up and drift away like a fart in the wind,Another tip for you aluminium boat owners is DO NOT USE your hull for anytype of electrical equipment ground spend the time and money to ground to the battery and ground the battery to the water, not  relying  on ground through the zinc in your motor.

Hey Loki, pick up some small plastic washers, about the diameter of your snaps. Put one behind each new snap when you rivet them back on. Then fill the inside of the male snap with clear silicon, they will last a lot longer. ;)

I actually put marine grease behind each that I replace as well as replacing the aluminum rivet with stainless ones.  I also put a little between the snaps so they will pop loose easier if I need them to.  thanks for the hint though.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2012, 11:06:51 PM
Phool....I think the dimensions are just the reverse of what you said.  The Commander is 22'.  :chuckle:

By the way...nice shellfish tray.  Looks like it has pretty good inside depth.  What's it made out of?

 The Commander X came in 21'6", 22'6", 23'6" etc, and as I said before it also has a wider beam. ;)

 The tray is made of Sanatec HDPE http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/category.php?bid=39
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
A lot of manufacturers have .187 bottoms, I would be looking for a manufacturer that uses .250, I know North River, HCM and the larger Northwest Jet boats do. Also, a single piece bottom is nice if running rivers, I have seen buddy's welded bottom boats develope cracks along welds.

If you are on the wet side and want to go for a run sometime just send me a PM, we might even be able to talk wacenturion into joing in with his boat.

I would be in for giving a ride in my boat Northwest jet 218 lightning. lets all get together on Lake Washington and let him ride and drive all the different boats

 I'm up for that. :tup: After that we  can hit the Nisqually River and show him what the prop boats can't do. ;)
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2012, 11:11:44 PM
You do realize that the dissimilar metals contacting each other will case the softer of the two to corrode more quickly right? The stainless rivet in the aluminum will cause the aluminium to chalk up and drift away like a fart in the wind,Another tip for you aluminium boat owners is DO NOT USE your hull for anytype of electrical equipment ground spend the time and money to ground to the battery and ground the battery to the water, not  relying  on ground through the zinc in your motor.

Hey Loki, pick up some small plastic washers, about the diameter of your snaps. Put one behind each new snap when you rivet them back on. Then fill the inside of the male snap with clear silicon, they will last a lot longer. ;)

I actually put marine grease behind each that I replace as well as replacing the aluminum rivet with stainless ones.  I also put a little between the snaps so they will pop loose easier if I need them to.  thanks for the hint though.

Agreed Wildweeds, I didn't want to start an arguement. ;)
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 23, 2012, 11:31:02 PM
Thanks for all the replies guys. I am thoroughly confused (and enjoying it). Right now there are so many boats out there with all the upgrades that I want. Like someone said earlier I am going to take my time especially since there is so much out there. I am still divided on the outboard versus inboard, so I might have to take some of you up on the suggestion of driving a couple different boats. Do dealers let you test drive boats??? The only thing that I am worried about buying new is that if I try and get everything I want then I am going to price myself out of what I want or I won't be able to get the upgrades that I want until later. Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 23, 2012, 11:33:01 PM
Phool....I think the dimensions are just the reverse of what you said.  The Commander is 22'.  :chuckle:

By the way...nice shellfish tray.  Looks like it has pretty good inside depth.  What's it made out of?

 The Commander X came in 21'6", 22'6", 23'6" etc, and as I said before it also has a wider beam. ;)

 The tray is made of Sanatec HDPE http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/category.php?bid=39

Huntphool does the wider beam do anything for you?? i.e. smoother ride, sit differently in the water, etc.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
Quote
Huntphool does the wider beam do anything for you?? i.e. smoother ride, sit differently in the water, etc.

 NorthRiver said the hole shot was a little quicker. The new Commanders are now coming with the wider beam and they have eliminated the "X" desigantion. They still make the 21'6" boat but then go back to even lengths, also adding in 4" to the beam.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 27, 2012, 08:21:05 PM
Hey for you North River people what is the difference between the Trapper and the Commander. The only thing that I can see is the length is a bit smaller 20' vs. 21'6" and the beam is 3" shorter. Does that 3" make much difference? I see a 05 Trapper on CL that says it is 21', but the current material only lists a 20' for the Trapper.

Also anyone have any experience with Mercury Jet pumps/drives??
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: lokidog on January 27, 2012, 08:28:47 PM
The wider beam is nice as the boat with the wider beam should not tip sideways quite as much when both big dudes are on the same side to land a fish.  Also they won't rock quite as much in a sideways chop.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Elite1 on January 28, 2012, 09:13:45 PM
somebody mentioned the wooldridge boats . i have a 25ft super sport drifter with a 6.0 380hp v8 . i have been getting about 8 gal. an hour at 50mph . i have full walk around motor well ,and yes , it's a jet . air ride seats really make a difference . had a wooldridge alaska 2 before my wife said to get a new boat before i retire .  ( yes dear ) . these boats are spendy , but i love every minute i'm in it . made alot of changes in the building process . could'nt be happier .
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Mossy on January 28, 2012, 10:32:03 PM
Okay guys I am going to purchase my first boat this year, but I am having a dilemma. Well it's a family dilemma. My perfect boat would be a nice 16' to 18' jon boat that I could fish and hunt out of, but my wife has other ideas. She wants something that we can load the family up in and head out to the dunes and do a little tubing, skiing, or just hanging out. I have looked at some fish and ski setups and most of them look okay for doing something, but they just don't reach out to me. Out of all those boats that I have looked at the only one that I really like is the Lund Tyee 1950. It has storage, livewells, and extra seats with a ski pylon. It might not be as cushy as my wife wants, but it is a nice 20' boat that looks like it would do it all.

One thing that has peaked my interest is a topic "Show Your Boats" that I looked at today with all the alumawelds, North Rivers, Northwest Jets, etc. They look like great boats. The other day I found a 07 22foot FishRite Explorer with all the bells and whistles, but after reading the thread mentioned above it seemed a lot of you prefer outboards vs. inboards and that boat has a big 8.1L inbd. Anyways I am hoping that you can help a fellow hunt-wa member out and give me some advice. Here is some more info that I am sure will be asked.

I prefer aluminum - not sure why
The boat will mainly be used on lakes of variable sizes and maybe some bigger rivers
I highly doubt that I would ever take it in Puget Sound or any big waters.
I like to fish for bass, trout, panfish, walleye, etc.
Absolute smallest I would want 18' and willing to go up to 22'. I think a 17' would be to cramped.
Has to fit a family of four and probably up to two to four guests depending on family or the kids' friends who might tag along.
Have enough engine to tow a tube, skier, or a wakeboard.
I am not to concerned about the hunting aspect - I think I can talk the wife into a specialty boat later  ;)
My budget is 10K to about 45k.

I didn't really take the time to read through all the replies but was the boat show mentioned?  Might be a good place to figure out what would work for the family and keep your eyes peeled for a similar setup afterward
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on January 29, 2012, 05:32:35 PM
somebody mentioned the wooldridge boats . i have a 25ft super sport drifter with a 6.0 380hp v8 . i have been getting about 8 gal. an hour at 50mph . i have full walk around motor well ,and yes , it's a jet . air ride seats really make a difference . had a wooldridge alaska 2 before my wife said to get a new boat before i retire .  ( yes dear ) . these boats are spendy , but i love every minute i'm in it . made alot of changes in the building process . could'nt be happier .

Any pictures???
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: cohoho on February 02, 2012, 09:39:29 PM
Sportfury.  Recommend you take a ride in the boat you want.  Test each and every one you are looking with the wife.....  You might want a certain boat for the way it looks, but until you blast it through the water you want to run then it is just a nice shiny new boat that looks pretty.    Jets are great yes, for an all purpose boat.  If your even thinking of running nothing but skinny water then decisions already made - get a jet.   But if you think the majority of the time is bigger water and you can get by without running to shallow rivers, maybe find a friend with a jet..  And buy deep vee with a prop...  I ran Jets for years is AK and it was a must for the braided rivers, but here what I like to fish a Jet is not my favorite any more.  You will sacrifice ride, you will lose comfy space in back due to dog box if it is an inboard.  My TJ was 102" and 22 foot.  My Wooldridge is 23 and is 102 wide, but it is like the Queen Mary versus the TJ because of the box being gone.  It has 200hp Honda, and runs almost as fast as the TJ did.....  Enough room for five lawn chairs to watch Sturgeon rods...  Ride, well have you ever driven a low rider with shocks removed and then jumped into a nice new Caddy, that pretty much explains that part.  Jet will beat you, why do you think they come standard with suspension seats, at least for the higher end models....  The jets I ran in AK, one I could run with Airboats at 2" of water, the other well it was cool and had HP but have you ever tried to pull a 3K boat off a sand bar without another boat to assist, it makes for a long day.  Bought my TJ new, prior to moving here, as I bought it with an AK mindset...  Anyone that ever fished with me has Kidney problems to this date..lol  Of course it sounded cool and ran like a raped ape, but I have begun to like comfort and the deep vee Wooldridge has enabled me to run anywhere I normally would have ventured with Jet with a serious confidence level and allows me to run places I wouldn't have dream upon in a jet.  But on the flip side Jets are extremely safe for rough water and big waves, if you learn to drive it right and keep the front end running high..... but they will put a hurt on your body if there are 3" wind waves coming at you.... and you drive it like you stole it..........  I would steer away from TJ, worse of the jets in regards to ride, this compared to Wooldrdige and NR...   But do not take my word, come down sometime when I am out and you can drive mine to see how it rides, then go drive a Jet...  Oh I mean low rider without shocks... :chuckle:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on February 03, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
Thanks cohoho. I appreciate the feedback.

My wife came up with a great idea last night  :bash: With my bonus that I will be getting and our tax returns she decided that she doesn't want to get a boat, but pay off all our bills, so we would be somewhat debt free except for vehicle payments. Oh the logic of it. Dang it that is my world. We will have to see where we go from here.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on February 04, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
 With our current administration in place your wife is a genius.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: CplRaines on February 04, 2012, 12:53:13 AM
My Pops has been talking about selling his 25' Woolridge jet.
I think he mentioned $12k as a price, can't remember for sure.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: ICEMAN on February 04, 2012, 06:22:19 AM
Sportfury.  Recommend you take a ride in the boat you want.  Test each and every one you are looking with the wife.....  You might want a certain boat for the way it looks, but until you blast it through the water you want to run then it is just a nice shiny new boat that looks pretty.    Jets are great yes, for an all purpose boat.  If your even thinking of running nothing but skinny water then decisions already made - get a jet.   But if you think the majority of the time is bigger water and you can get by without running to shallow rivers, maybe find a friend with a jet..  And buy deep vee with a prop...  I ran Jets for years is AK and it was a must for the braided rivers, but here what I like to fish a Jet is not my favorite any more.  You will sacrifice ride, you will lose comfy space in back due to dog box if it is an inboard.  My TJ was 102" and 22 foot.  My Wooldridge is 23 and is 102 wide, but it is like the Queen Mary versus the TJ because of the box being gone.  It has 200hp Honda, and runs almost as fast as the TJ did.....  Enough room for five lawn chairs to watch Sturgeon rods...  Ride, well have you ever driven a low rider with shocks removed and then jumped into a nice new Caddy, that pretty much explains that part.  Jet will beat you, why do you think they come standard with suspension seats, at least for the higher end models....  The jets I ran in AK, one I could run with Airboats at 2" of water, the other well it was cool and had HP but have you ever tried to pull a 3K boat off a sand bar without another boat to assist, it makes for a long day.  Bought my TJ new, prior to moving here, as I bought it with an AK mindset...  Anyone that ever fished with me has Kidney problems to this date..lol  Of course it sounded cool and ran like a raped ape, but I have begun to like comfort and the deep vee Wooldridge has enabled me to run anywhere I normally would have ventured with Jet with a serious confidence level and allows me to run places I wouldn't have dream upon in a jet.  But on the flip side Jets are extremely safe for rough water and big waves, if you learn to drive it right and keep the front end running high..... but they will put a hurt on your body if there are 3" wind waves coming at you.... and you drive it like you stole it..........  I would steer away from TJ, worse of the jets in regards to ride, this compared to Wooldrdige and NR...   But do not take my word, come down sometime when I am out and you can drive mine to see how it rides, then go drive a Jet...  Oh I mean low rider without shocks... :chuckle:

Hey Mike, how come you never warned us about this kidney damage before you took us out? :chuckle:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: cohoho on February 04, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
It was secret like those loaded Cherries you brought along, heck I should have used one or two for fuel that day...
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on February 13, 2012, 10:25:48 PM
Does anyone know where the North River Ranger fits in with North Rivers line of boats. I have seen Rangers that are selling for in the 1999, 2000, 2001. Doe the Ranger fit in the Trappers spot or was it an all together different boat?

CplRaines any word on if your pops is selling that boat?
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: huntnphool on February 14, 2012, 02:41:52 PM
 The Ranger became the Commander
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 14, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
With our current administration in place your wife is a genius.
:yeah:
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: CplRaines on February 14, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
Does anyone know where the North River Ranger fits in with North Rivers line of boats. I have seen Rangers that are selling for in the 1999, 2000, 2001. Doe the Ranger fit in the Trappers spot or was it an all together different boat?

CplRaines any word on if your pops is selling that boat?

I am sure he would entertain serious offers.
FYI - It has a 351 powerplant turning the jetdrive.
Title: Re: First Boat dilemma
Post by: Sportfury on February 15, 2012, 10:52:17 PM
Cpl Raines sent you a PM.
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