Post by: antlerking on January 27, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
Post by: WABONEHNTR on January 27, 2012, 02:54:36 PM
Post by: Troutslayer on January 27, 2012, 03:00:37 PM
I am new here and am actually from Montana I like those nice brown freshies you just found but I have to ask if you ever shed hunt in Montana, You have some pics that looks exactly like an area I look in. Just curious. Here is what I am talking about. I just checked this spot and no one has been in there yet since the big snow anyway.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc396%2Fbrtrutta%2FIMG_3087.jpg&hash=1565397655bf5e311259b6280a8fd45a00ebab20)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc396%2Fbrtrutta%2FIMG_3089.jpg&hash=79ea250394341ee3745c4c2afee2cc5d70bf23c5)
Post by: adamR on January 27, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
Post by: WABONEHNTR on January 27, 2012, 04:23:49 PM
WOW. Really! Give the animals a break and keep off the mts.
Huh?
I don't understand why guys will go looking for sheds when a huge snow storm just passed. A major wintering area and guys have no problem walking around pushing deer just to pick up antlers. I do pick my fare share of antlers but will never go out in the winter/late winter.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 27, 2012, 04:28:49 PM
WOW. Really! Give the animals a break and keep off the mts.
Huh?
I don't understand why guys will go looking for sheds when a huge snow storm just passed. A major wintering area and guys have no problem walking around pushing deer just to pick up antlers. I do pick my fare share of antlers but will never go out in the winter/late winter.
:yeah:
Post by: shedcrazy on January 27, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Post by: benhuntin on January 27, 2012, 05:15:46 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on January 27, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
Whoa, pretty high on your horse telling guys to get out of the mountains. I am in the mountains every week all year long. You do what you do and the rest of us will pick up some nice fresh sheds. Maybe some day you will figure out that you can hike around quietly and not run deer. To bad I missed the pics, I enjoy some nice fresh ATL'sWOW. Really! Give the animals a break and keep off the mts.
Huh?
I don't understand why guys will go looking for sheds when a huge snow storm just passed. A major wintering area and guys have no problem walking around pushing deer just to pick up antlers. I do pick my fare share of antlers but will never go out in the winter/late winter.
Post by: HornHoarder on January 27, 2012, 06:51:02 PM
Post by: wackmaster on January 27, 2012, 08:52:19 PM
Post by: bullchaser on January 27, 2012, 09:15:02 PM
Post by: dmartin on January 27, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
:yeah:
Agreed shed stud... its possible to go out and hike around and not hurt wintering animals... a big snow hit but who knows where hes even hiking at. Around here the snow has came and gone basically with the rain and warm weather
Post by: woodywsu on January 27, 2012, 09:38:36 PM
Whoa, pretty high on your horse telling guys to get out of the mountains. I am in the mountains every week all year long. You do what you do and the rest of us will pick up some nice fresh sheds. Maybe some day you will figure out that you can hike around quietly and not run deer. To bad I missed the pics, I enjoy some nice fresh ATL's
:yeah:
Agreed shed stud... its possible to go out and hike around and not hurt wintering animals... a big snow hit but who knows where hes even hiking at. Around here the snow has came and gone basically with the rain and warm weather
Just becausae the snow is gone doesn't mean the deer eat healthy. Winter is winter
Post by: Arteman on January 27, 2012, 09:41:40 PM
Post by: blacktail luv on January 27, 2012, 09:46:19 PM
Post by: Jerome on January 28, 2012, 10:32:54 PM
Wow it's getting so a guy can not post without someone playing nannie. Good job antler keep it upYeah its pretty sad that you cant share a picture without someone pickin it apart. Too many stool pigeons around here without anything better to do.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 28, 2012, 10:47:17 PM
Post by: Turner89 on January 28, 2012, 10:48:12 PM
Post by: Miles on January 29, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 01:05:44 PM
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
Post by: 400out on January 29, 2012, 01:30:30 PM
Did he quit Huntwa AGAIN?:dunno: not yet I hope! it's ok to not agree, but come on guys! Do you realize that the aminals get run down during the ruts but it's ok then to keep them running :dunno: must be ok then because your trying to killl them not watch them :dunno:
Post by: 400out on January 29, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
I know but why? What was the point of putting them on here and then removing them?Better to just remove it and let the thread die than listen to the BS :bash:
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 04:03:49 PM
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Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on January 29, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
What I have a BIG PROBLEM with is those that go into the deer winter range (I'm talking Chelan/Okanogan counties) in the conditions that we've have these last several days. The freezing rain on top of the snow makes it difficult for the deer to get around without injury to their lower leg/s. I have seen blood in the snow in deer trails around my house the last couple of days. Anyone who's spend any amount of time trekking around during the winter months with a hard ice crust over a snow knows what I'm talking about.
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
Pianoman- I'm talking about the ones that never did hunt or fish in the 1st place.
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 05:08:25 PM
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on January 29, 2012, 05:16:42 PM
I don't know if "winter" shed hunting the mule deer winter range in amongst migrated herds of concentrated mule deer has an affect..., but one could only conclude.
What I have a BIG PROBLEM with is those that go into the deer winter range (I'm talking Chelan/Okanogan counties) in the conditions that we've have these last several days. The freezing rain on top of the snow makes it difficult for the deer to get around without injury to their lower leg/s. I have seen blood in the snow in deer trails around my house the last couple of days. Anyone who's spend any amount of time trekking around during the winter months with a hard ice crust over a snow knows what I'm talking about.
:yeah: I agree, i also have a problem with shed hunters on snowmobiles already going out in these same areas and running all the ridges and valleys. I have no problem with people looking at deer or snowmobilers doing the same thing. I have a problem with people chasing deer, and hitting these areas looking for sheds already especially with these conditions we have right now in these specific low valley areas in the heart of the winter range.
Post by: boonerboy on January 29, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
Post by: WABONEHNTR on January 29, 2012, 05:42:47 PM
Never mind will post pics next month when i reach the 100 mark
Wow, I think I would rather see the pics of those sheds than read that you really don't care about wildlife in a Major wintering area and brag about picking up 100 sheds during the time when the deer at at their most vulnerable. Deer run when they see people, they are wild animals. To me, deer running in steep country, during the late winter, in a wintering area, in the snow= Stress to me. Not really sure how you can think any different. I am sure guys will not think about it but you are really doing more harm than good.
Post by: antlerking on January 29, 2012, 06:02:23 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on January 29, 2012, 06:09:57 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 29, 2012, 06:23:16 PM
Post by: woodywsu on January 29, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 29, 2012, 06:40:16 PM
I stayed home this weekend instead of shed hunting. MY CHOICE. Probably cost me 20 bones or so, but not worth it to me. Not judgeing anyone, but was my choice. I am sure someone will mop up on my choice.
Post by: boneaddict on January 29, 2012, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: big wood on January 29, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
You guys sound worse than a bunch of fly fishermen chewing out a kid for dunking a worm. I doubt a shed hunter has as much impact as a cougar hunting hard or worse yet, a pack of wolves hunting an area. There are still cow elk hunts open in Utah on winter range. I see deer standing all around when we are elk hunting till the end of January. Same story cougar hunting, I see deer all the time. What's the difference if a guy is picking up sheds, hunting cougar, snowmobiling, hunting cow elk, or predators hunting the area 24/7/365. :dunno:I AGREE BP,ALSO, THE LAST THING WE NEED IS MORE GOVERNMENT RULES. NEXT WE WILL HAVE TO GET A SHED HORN PASS. OR APPLY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT, HEY I SHOULD DRAW I GOT 14 POINTS LOL
Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Post by: sebek556 on January 29, 2012, 07:02:44 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2012, 07:29:30 PM
I've asked Outdoor Guardian if an ungulate biologist could make a comment on here regarding this issue. I, for one, would be interested in how much impact shed hunting has on ungulates at this time of year. I expect we'll see a post tomorrow sometime from a state biologist. In case you don't know, Outdoor Guardian is in the enforcement division of our DFW. He may have access to information that will make all of us better custodians of the resources that are important to us.
I think the sheds are really a nice find, by the way! :tup:
http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/bios-worry-about-shed-antler-hunters/
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Bios Worry About Shed Antler Hunters
Read through today’s Weekender Report and one thing is clear: Washington wildlife biologists are not keen about hunters.
But not your everyday hunters, rather the ones who track down shed deer, elk and moose antlers on winter range.
Right now, the animals those racks were only recently attached to are running very low on reserves and, say biologists, need their energy to forage rather than run away from people.
The bios are warning shed hunters to be cognizant of their potential impact on winter-weary animals.
“We know this is a popular time for some folks to get out collecting shed elk antlers,” says Bruce Berry at the Oak Creek Wildlife Area west of Yakima, “but the elk come first.”
His area has large winter closures, but oftentimes people don’t give two hoots. So last spring, hidden cameras were set up and recorded numerous trespassers on closed areas.
“I’ve got photos of violators — hikers, ATVers, Jeepers, going by our hidden cameras,” former Oak Creek manager John McGowan told Yakima Herald-Republic reporter Scott Sandsberry last May, in an article picked up by the Tri-Cities Herald.
Sandsberry writes about how WDFW got ahold of the cameras:
The $11,000 network of night-vision, motion-detecting cameras was provided this spring by Eyes in the Woods, an Olympia-based watchdog organization supporting the state wildlife department in catching or dissuading poachers and other law-breakers on wildlife land. And it wasn’t long after the cameras were installed that they began producing dividends.
“Less than 24 hours later, here’s somebody walking right by the camera, shed strapped to his back,” McGowan said.
“We are getting pounded by elk-antler hunters in the Blue Mountains,” says another bio, Paul Wik, in the Weekender. “Too many are trespassing, traveling in winter closures, traveling behind locked gates, bumping animals accidently, and some even chasing animals trying to get antlers to fall off. Individuals may not think this is a big deal, but overall it adds up to harassment of wildlife at the worst possible time of year.”
Wik notes there is currently a closure to motorized traffic in the Lick Creek Game Management Unit (GMU 175) in Garfield and Asotin counties, and closures to all human entry in the Cummings Creek area of WDFW’s Wooten Wildlife Area. These winter closures continue through April.
At Oak Creek, Berry reminds visitors that area and road closures – including Forest Service Road 1400 (Oak Creek Road), the Bethel Ridge Road which goes through the Oak Creek headquarters, and the Bethel Ridge/ Meloy Canyon Road — remain in effect until 6 a.m. on May 1 to limit disturbance to animals during the critical time of late winter and early spring.
Vehicle gates are closed to all entry on other wildlife areas in the region, too. The Mellotte Road into the Wenas Wildlife Area, the Robinson Canyon and Joe Watt Canyon roads into the L.T. Murray Wildlife Area, and roads on the Whiskey Dick and a portion of the Quilomene wildlife areas in Kittitas County are closed until May 1 to protect elk.
Up in the Methow, Okanogan district wildlife biologist Scott Fitkin of Winthrop reports large groups of mule deer are visible in the Methow Valley now.
“The deer are congregating on spring range at lower elevations to take advantage of early green-up,” Fitkin says. “Our Methow and Sinlahekin Wildlife Areas are good viewing spots.”
A panorama shot posted recently on Hunting-Washington shows at least 150 deer grazing and laying down on a well-browsed hillside; Fitkin, who reviewed the image for Northwest Sportsman, suspects it was taken at the Golden Doe unit south of Twisp.
Deer watchers who might also be interested in collecting shed deer antlers are urged to avoid pushing hungry deer off early green-up areas or otherwise disturbing them.
Post by: big wood on January 29, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
i agree completely we do not need the government making more rules.. :twocents: plus this is my time for training my kids on how to sneak through the woodsEXACTLY. :yeah: THATS WHAT SHED HUNTING IS ALL ABOUT, EXCERCISE AND SPENDING TIME WITH FAMILY!
Post by: BC CHASER on January 29, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on January 29, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
Post by: Arteman on January 29, 2012, 09:08:17 PM
No difference bearpaw. I don't blame shed hunters. I blame management. State should temporary close major wintering areas to all recreation. We need to protect our herds especially during harsh times.Umm they already have closed most of the major wintering areas. :dunno:
Post by: Arteman on January 29, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
You guys sound worse than a bunch of fly fishermen chewing out a kid for dunking a worm. I doubt a shed hunter has as much impact as a cougar hunting hard or worse yet, a pack of wolves hunting an area. There are still cow elk hunts open in Utah on winter range. I see deer standing all around when we are elk hunting till the end of January. Same story cougar hunting, I see deer all the time. What's the difference if a guy is picking up sheds, hunting cougar, snowmobiling, hunting cow elk, or predators hunting the area 24/7/365. :dunno::yeah: A late modern cow hunt just ended today around my area. Yesterday my brother and I watched a cow elk eating hay out of a covered area in a farmers field, usually elk split when we pull up but she felt it was in her best interest to stay and eat. We watched her when a hunter came through the gate, seen the elk, then pulled up at the farmers house and knocked on the door and asked for permission to shoot her, they got turned down. Oh, and she was heavy with calf.
Post by: Arteman on January 29, 2012, 09:32:21 PM
I don't know if "winter" shed hunting the mule deer winter range in amongst migrated herds of concentrated mule deer has an affect..., but one could only conclude.I typically don't get involved in all the dramatic threads but it striked me as odd that you in one sentence would say that you have a BIG PROBLEM with people pushing deer in the conditions of the last couple days, and then say you in the last couple of days you have been seeing blood in the trails. Sooo... are you saying that you are out following deer trails and potentially pushing these deer in poor conditions where they possibly could injure themselves? I could be reading to much into this, and if so im sorry.
What I have a BIG PROBLEM with is those that go into the deer winter range (I'm talking Chelan/Okanogan counties) in the conditions that we've have these last several days. The freezing rain on top of the snow makes it difficult for the deer to get around without injury to their lower leg/s. I have seen blood in the snow in deer trails around my house the last couple of days. Anyone who's spend any amount of time trekking around during the winter months with a hard ice crust over a snow knows what I'm talking about.
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 09:50:34 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2012, 10:14:18 PM
I don't know if "winter" shed hunting the mule deer winter range in amongst migrated herds of concentrated mule deer has an affect..., but one could only conclude.I typically don't get involved in all the dramatic threads but it striked me as odd that you in one sentence would say that you have a BIG PROBLEM with people pushing deer in the conditions of the last couple days, and then say you in the last couple of days you have been seeing blood in the trails. Sooo... are you saying that you are out following deer trails and potentially pushing these deer in poor conditions where they possibly could injure themselves? I could be reading to much into this, and if so im sorry.
What I have a BIG PROBLEM with is those that go into the deer winter range (I'm talking Chelan/Okanogan counties) in the conditions that we've have these last several days. The freezing rain on top of the snow makes it difficult for the deer to get around without injury to their lower leg/s. I have seen blood in the snow in deer trails around my house the last couple of days. Anyone who's spend any amount of time trekking around during the winter months with a hard ice crust over a snow knows what I'm talking about.
Don't hold me to this, but I think he lives in an area where the deer are in his yard.
Post by: huntnnw on January 29, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 10:36:28 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 29, 2012, 10:45:19 PM
Post by: UBA on January 29, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
Don't hold me to this, but I think he lives in an area where the deer are in his yard.
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Deer are for sure traveling thru his yard. He can see more deer from his kitchen window right now then just about anyone
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 30, 2012, 06:59:35 AM
So how long till this thread is locked :chuckle:
And how long before the indians have to follow the shed hunting rules that the rest of us do? :chuckle:
Post by: Arteman on January 30, 2012, 10:27:46 AM
Funny how guys know nothing about someone where they are shed hunting and jump his sh*&! I have been out looking for whitetail sheds already..there is no snow on the ground and lots of available food in the area I am looking. There is 0 human presence in the area other than me here and there. I can then drive 20 min to another area which is a wildlife area that has heavy human traffic. Whats the difference with mt bikers, hikers in a area versus an area that gets very little human presence? 0 to me ...I understand these historical wintering grounds for muleys and elk that the animals yard up and and concentrate which brings droves of people to a said area..should be limited.:yeah: A guy posts some picks to share with us and haters start forming a lynch mob and start jumping to accusations. Be no different if a guy posts a pic of a buck he shot and people started screaming poacher! Then of course people feed off of it and the whole thread goes south.
Post by: MikeWalking on January 30, 2012, 10:38:47 AM
WOW. Really! Give the animals a break and keep off the mts.
What, so it's not OK to go Snowshoeing or winter camping all of a sudden?
Post by: Miles on January 30, 2012, 12:20:41 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 30, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 30, 2012, 01:26:16 PM
Nothing moves deer around more than a hungry predator and this state has no worries about that. The deer seem to flock around homes and human activity in many of the areas I know. After season has closed, I don't think wildlife has near as much fear of man as they do predators. I know there are a lot of shed hunters and maybe some areas need protection, but we have an agency that is responsible for deciding what areas need to be closed.
I don't think we should be judging fellow sportsmen who are not breaking the law.
Post by: Fowlweather25 on January 30, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
Post by: Backstraps on January 30, 2012, 02:05:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 02:10:17 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 30, 2012, 02:15:07 PM
I have had guys on horseback see me working up a ridge on foot and actually swerve and vear ahead of me to grab a 4pt elk horn
Post by: boneaddict on January 30, 2012, 02:16:57 PM
Passive bumping is not generally an issue. That includes using machines on roads passing by. Gridding is DIFFERENT.
That singlehandily is what shut down Utah.
There is also a misconception on here where most of the wintering grounds are shut down. That is UNTRUE. Mostly only areas around feeding stations. I think that has more to do with limiting access for poaching and tribal hunting presuure than anything. I imagine there would be a problem with animals being pushed back before they are ready, but since these animals are ELK compared to muledeer. I think any logical woodsman would also be able to make decisions based on different species.
There will always be people, and since people are inherently competetive.......
Post by: Jerome on January 30, 2012, 02:18:47 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 30, 2012, 02:19:43 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 02:20:07 PM
This site is turning into monster muleys twin brother.
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Post by: Fowlweather25 on January 30, 2012, 02:20:30 PM
Post by: Outdoor Guardian on January 30, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Im tired of all the game wardens that don't hunt or fish. Why would you choose that as a profession then???? Most of the time they seem like the ones that want to end hunting
I would venture to guess that 97% of our Fish and Wildlife Officer do hunt and/or fish, to include our big boss, Chief Bjork. Do I hunt and fish? As much as I can. Like all of the officers, my work schedule is not really a schedule at all…… which means plans are often driven by calls for service, patrol needs during open seasons, or program support and administration.
For what it’s worth, my wife has harvested four elk over the years, and my eleven year old daughter hunted waterfowl this year (she has yet to connect though). My seven year old girl doesn’t hunt yet, but is a fishing fanatic! Fishing and shellfish gathering occupies most of our time, mostly because the seasons and opportunities are greater. And not only do all of my girls catch it, they also clean and cook it. Nothing squeamish about these girls! While I have allowed more than one post-mortem autopsy to be performed, I have drawn the line at taking a fish eyeball to school. Mom also has been known to frown upon animal parts in pants pockets.... :bdid:
Post by: Outdoor Guardian on January 30, 2012, 02:26:42 PM
Everybody hide!!!! :yike: nobody saw or talked about anything. If he asks, this forum is all about knitting sweaters! :chuckle: if we stick to our story we should be okay guys.
Yes, I am a Fish and Wildlife Police Officer. I am not here to “make book" -- rather, this is an effort by our bureau to better connect law enforcement with the outdoor user. We hope to be as interactive as resources allow, and at the same time share accomplishments relative to efforts to protect your natural resources and hunting opportunities.
Having said that, I could really use some tips on knitting a sweater in realtree camo.... :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on January 30, 2012, 02:32:34 PM
By the way Fowl, I hope you don't think I am persecuting the gentleman. First of all he is a little more sensitive than the average member and I will tease him about it for the rest of his existence. Second of all, its an important discussion as there are those that aren't aware of the issues as evident by the discussion.
TRUST ME, I love shed hunting and have done my fair share. I'd like to think I have made some good decisions lately, but even I have an itch to scratch, so I can relate.
Post by: Fowlweather25 on January 30, 2012, 02:47:19 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 30, 2012, 03:26:20 PM
It seems to me that there are already closures in many areas considered to be the most sensitive areas.
Really, Dale? Where are there muley wintering grounds that are in closure in the heart of this states muleys in Chelan/Okanogan counties? For that matter, where are their "sensitive" muley wintering closures anywhere in the state other than the areas that are primarily closed due to them being elk wintering areas? Personally, I don't know of any, but could sure be wrong. :dunno:
Post by: nwwanderer on January 30, 2012, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 04:07:26 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 30, 2012, 04:19:51 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on January 30, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
Post by: hirshey on January 30, 2012, 04:37:03 PM
If you're responsible, you can maneuver around them without trouble... but there are plenty of people that can't. I watched a guy last year that pushed a group of 30+ animals over 2 miles; it seems he thought wherever they were is where he was going to find sheds. The only reason he stopped is because Eyeguard went up and talked to him about his behavior. Even then, he seemed to think he wasn't doing any harm.
I went hiking the last three days and saw a fair amount of deer, none of which were too stressed by my presence. That being said, I didn't walk at them or grid or anything like that. Of course, I didn't find any sheds either... :chuckle: But I did find 28 bucks all still packing, one that had shed, and two 2 points with one side missing.
Post by: Arteman on January 30, 2012, 04:50:58 PM
Boy I would be very happy with flat tires caused by shed antlers! :chuckle: :chuckle:May be the only way to enjoy shed antler hunting in the future, Only allowed on paved roads from Dec to May. :chuckle:
Post by: antlerking on January 30, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 30, 2012, 05:09:39 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on January 30, 2012, 05:33:32 PM
Everybody hide!!!! :yike: nobody saw or talked about anything. If he asks, this forum is all about knitting sweaters! :chuckle: if we stick to our story we should be okay guys.
Yes, I am a Fish and Wildlife Police Officer. I am not here to “make book" -- rather, this is an effort by our bureau to better connect law enforcement with the outdoor user. We hope to be as interactive as resources allow, and at the same time share accomplishments relative to efforts to protect your natural resources and hunting opportunities.
Having said that, I could really use some tips on knitting a sweater in realtree camo.... :tup:
IDK I think if you knit a realtree camo sweater you may be hit with a copy write infringement or something like that. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Sorry I'm not internet police, just try'n to change the subject. Because if I had the time I would be out looking for bone too :tup:
Post by: woodywsu on January 30, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Remember these does are eating for 2 and possibly 3. Let them be for a while
Post by: benhuntin on January 30, 2012, 06:42:37 PM
Post by: Arteman on January 30, 2012, 07:04:58 PM
Maybe someone can enlighten me on where all these closed wintering areas are. At the time, I can think of more wintering areas with no restrictions then I can of closed areas for mule deer. I only express my concern because I enjoy shed hunting and I see it being ruined by some bad apples which will lead to restrictions.I guess I cant really speak for the eastside, or for Muledeer. Ill probably never shed hunt for Muledeer sheds, I like it but not so much that I'm going to drive across the state to do it. Here on the westside the blacktail are not affected by it at all, so basically earlier I was referring to Elk so when I was talking major wintering areas that's what I was referring to. Here just in my general area we have the mudflow, and jewel in Oregon that is closed, I once thought about going to Asotin for Mulies because I have hunted there a lot and there is motorized restrictions this time of the year there for wintering animals. To make sence of it all ill talk in parables, I like to drink on occasion, ill do so responsibly, no driving, and not around my kids. Everybody knows there is some bad seeds out there that do so irresponsible. Now should they shut it down for everybody because few don't have their heads on straight? I don't think anybody should have to lose their right to do something they love because of a few bad apples, its sad few have quit already even knowing they are responsible while doing it. I'm WELL aware of the affects the stress can cause an animal, but this is only the extremist out chasing them around back and forth, and snowmobiles but Idk we only have snow over here for week and its gone. I've walked right up on Elk in the timber here shed hunting by surprise and they just walk off without affecting them, they really slow down in the winter months. I think when people get on this topic they only assume the worse and are so stuck on it that no matter what you say they only see the one picture. It is definitely a over dramatized subject, and once again I know there is some bad apples, there is in everything people do, you shut it down for everybody and those will be the people still going.
Remember these does are eating for 2 and possibly 3. Let them be for a while
Post by: woodywsu on January 30, 2012, 07:13:40 PM
Maybe someone can enlighten me on where all these closed wintering areas are. At the time, I can think of more wintering areas with no restrictions then I can of closed areas for mule deer. I only express my concern because I enjoy shed hunting and I see it being ruined by some bad apples which will lead to restrictions.
Remember these does are eating for 2 and possibly 3. Let them be for a while
Are you typing this from your iphone while hiking in the desert? :chuckle: :chuckle: Come on now.
I would probably have better luck shed hunting the desert in the dark. Everybody knows they don't drop til june here anyways
Post by: Miles on January 30, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
Fowlweather, Personally, I'd like to find out from an expert if my antler collecting would cause any problems to the animals. If I find out that it does, I probably will wait to do it. There's no reason to not get more information about your sport for the benefit of the critters, is there?
You shouldn't need an "expert" to tell you if you are bothering animals. Common sense should be enough...
Sport????
Where are you planning on going to look for sheds?
Post by: bearpaw on January 30, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
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I do think it's ridiculous that people follow herds around and push them just to get some sheds
I agree, that is harrasment and I would imagine it would fetch a ticket if a person was caught.
It seems to me that there are already closures in many areas considered to be the most sensitive areas.
Really, Dale? Where are there muley wintering grounds that are in closure in the heart of this states muleys in Chelan/Okanogan counties? For that matter, where are their "sensitive" muley wintering closures anywhere in the state other than the areas that are primarily closed due to them being elk wintering areas? Personally, I don't know of any, but could sure be wrong. :dunno:
This is a statewide issue, there are mule deer, whitetail, elk, and moose in other counties than Okanogan & Chelan.
A large number of roads have seasonal closures for winter range in Ferry County and our whole Colville Forest system (3 counties) has shut down massive numbers of roads including many winter range areas.
Previously in this topic it was mentioned that Oak Creek is closed to shed hunting until spring.
Where I hunted in Okanogan last fall there was a tremendous number of roads on winter range areas that were marked closed year around.
So far Oak Creek is the only area I have heard of with walk in limitations. I doubt any other areas are closed specifically to shed hunters, probably not, but for whatever reason many areas are closed so the net affect is the same. No travel. You can still hike in and I see no reason that should change, unless some evidence (not opinion) is presented proving otherwise.
Some of the best deer herds I know are on private land that is grazed and farmed. The deer flock in and feed around the cattle, humans, and tractors when winters are tough. In NE WA we used to have an open cougar season and WDFW used to feed the deer during tough winters, there were a lot more deer then. Now there are so few deer that the overpopulated cougar and coyotes have them in a predator pit they will likely never get out of unless there is a change in predator management.
In most cases I don't think a human has near the impact as a cougar who chases and eats a deer each week or the packs of coyotes running on top of deep snow trying to hamstring their next deer. Like anything, there may be specific areas of concern, maybe some of the wide open winter ranges need closed down for a couple months in late winter if shed hunting is shown to cause negative impacts, but don't shut down the entire state wthout more supporting evidence than I have seen presented here. I think you should look at this on an as needed basis. :twocents:
Post by: Arteman on January 30, 2012, 10:51:35 PM
Post by: danderson on January 30, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 30, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
Dale the Mud Flow is closed to walk in also, if you guys have never been here and seen this place before you really should check it out at least once in your life. What that mountain did is unbelievable. You can look down into it from anywhere off the highway and see hundreds of Elk wintering from the base of St. Helens all the way down the valley floor. Also doesn't matter what time of the year, you'll always see Elk. Bring a spotting scope and some binos, the view is something else.
I have never been to St Helens, I will have to check that out someday. THANKS :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on January 31, 2012, 07:25:16 AM
Not that this thread hasn't done that already.
I'm more referencing the thought of a bunch of folks calling the WDFW and asking or complaining, not necessarily in any reference to anything you have posted.
It is pretty much common sense. Don't grid yet LOTS do it. Made me hate 4 wheelers the last time I was out. I was so angry, I can't share the thoughts I had. Problem is, folks think "their dog" is ok. There really is no reason for them out on the winter range.
You spot a big buck and he is bedded. Take his photo with the 2x coupler and move on, or go bump him out of his bed because he is likely to shed his antlers when he bounds away. Same scenerio, buck has one antler. Now he might have one laying there and the other one might fall off if I jump him. Walk away and find both......Next dude comes behind you an hour later and does just that......
Now, take this scenerio and multiply it by everyone in Wenatchee that has been watching a particular hillside or buck from the Wal-Mart parking lot. Or some popular winter ground in the Methow Valley. Most of the time its not a casual hiker thats an issue. Its often times an unemployed dude on the dole from the state driving to every corner of the state griding, griding and griding some more. I would bet there are several hundred on this site that at least do it almost professionally. Its rarely a casual effort these days.
It would be no big deal for me to drive 5 hours to go look for one shed. I did it the other day......Difference being it was moose, there was NO snow on the ground, and I didn't have Fido with me, only my camera. Was I ok or wrong for what I did?
Now everyone is going to have their own opinion of what harm they do and what they can justify. I used to justify whitetail was fine, give the muledeer a break. I would bet there are some on here that can realistically argue that that thinking is wrong.
I could harass Shad, as I know he didn't drive from Moses Lake to Chelan on a weekday just to drive up a road to find an antler. He could harass me as he knows I didn't drive all the way up to Colville to sit in my truck either.
It will all boil down to personal choices. Glad we have them, but people will always push the limits on what is right. You have those that will make the pass, and you will have those that take the shot with three defenders hanging off of them........
May 1st is a stupid deadline. Snakes are out, grass is up and elk should be on their way to their different gorunds by then. I have witnessed the Game department trying to drive them from the feeding areas with an airplane to disperse them towards the end of April. I promise a couple hundred shed hunters could do the same.
Post by: antlerking on January 31, 2012, 08:11:15 AM
I think some of the concern Pianoman is that some questions turn the spotlight on......like sparking a fire on the range in August.
Not that this thread hasn't done that already.
I'm more referencing the thought of a bunch of folks calling the WDFW and asking or complaining, not necessarily in any reference to anything you have posted.
It is pretty much common sense. Don't grid yet LOTS do it. Made me hate 4 wheelers the last time I was out. I was so angry, I can't share the thoughts I had. Problem is, folks think "their dog" is ok. There really is no reason for them out on the winter range.
You spot a big buck and he is bedded. Take his photo with the 2x coupler and move on, or go bump him out of his bed because he is likely to shed his antlers when he bounds away. Same scenerio, buck has one antler. Now he might have one laying there and the other one might fall off if I jump him. Walk away and find both......Next dude comes behind you an hour later and does just that......
Now, take this scenerio and multiply it by everyone in Wenatchee that has been watching a particular hillside or buck from the Wal-Mart parking lot. Or some popular winter ground in the Methow Valley. Most of the time its not a casual hiker thats an issue. Its often times an unemployed dude on the dole from the state driving to every corner of the state griding, griding and griding some more. I would bet there are several hundred on this site that at least do it almost professionally. Its rarely a casual effort these days.
It would be no big deal for me to drive 5 hours to go look for one shed. I did it the other day......Difference being it was moose, there was NO snow on the ground, and I didn't have Fido with me, only my camera. Was I ok or wrong for what I did?
Now everyone is going to have their own opinion of what harm they do and what they can justify. I used to justify whitetail was fine, give the muledeer a break. I would bet there are some on here that can realistically argue that that thinking is wrong.
I could harass Shad, as I know he didn't drive from Moses Lake to Chelan on a weekday just to drive up a road to find an antler. He could harass me as he knows I didn't drive all the way up to Colville to sit in my truck either.
It will all boil down to personal choices. Glad we have them, but people will always push the limits on what is right. You have those that will make the pass, and you will have those that take the shot with three defenders hanging off of them........
May 1st is a stupid deadline. Snakes are out, grass is up and elk should be on their way to their different gorunds by then. I have witnessed the Game department trying to drive them from the feeding areas with an airplane to disperse them towards the end of April. I promise a couple hundred shed hunters could do the same.
Actually I live in North east wenatchee now, and yes I did do just that, I hiked up a main road and then I hiked it back down. I live within 20 minutes of all my fav. shed grounds now.
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 08:25:31 AM
I think some of the concern Pianoman is that some questions turn the spotlight on......like sparking a fire on the range in August.
Not that this thread hasn't done that already.
I'm more referencing the thought of a bunch of folks calling the WDFW and asking or complaining, not necessarily in any reference to anything you have posted.
:yeah: And all it takes is a couple people that know nothing about shed hunting (like Pianoman) calling and complaining, asking questions, etc... and the state decides to shut everything down.
A couple bad apples, a couple complainers, and everyone gets bent over.
It's the same with fishing/hunting. A couple idiots go out and do something stupid, then they put regulations in place that takes everyone else's rights away.
Post by: boneaddict on January 31, 2012, 08:32:33 AM
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It's the same with fishing/hunting. A couple idiots go out and do something stupid, then they put regulations in place that takes everyone else's rights away.
Yep, there should be some Wheelers on here very concerned about what some of their "cohorts" are doing as they are going to get the woods shut down to them.
Snowmobiling has been shut down in a portion of the Wenas to protect winter range.......This could easily be expanded.
This effects MANY user groups. Some self policing can go a long ways. It is often reflected on here as being negative, but some should open their eyes to the big picture to understand why some policing occurs.
Post by: boneaddict on January 31, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
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Actually I live in North east wenatchee now, and yes I did do just that, I hiked up a main road and then I hiked it back down. I live within 20 minutes of all my fav. shed grounds now
Thats cool Shad. Wenatchee is awesome. I live like 5 hours from mine....
Post by: MtnMuley on January 31, 2012, 03:27:20 PM
I think some of the concern Pianoman is that some questions turn the spotlight on......like sparking a fire on the range in August.
Not that this thread hasn't done that already.
I'm more referencing the thought of a bunch of folks calling the WDFW and asking or complaining, not necessarily in any reference to anything you have posted.
:yeah: And all it takes is a couple people that know nothing about shed hunting (like Pianoman) calling and complaining, asking questions, etc... and the state decides to shut everything down.
A couple bad apples, a couple complainers, and everyone gets bent over.
It's the same with fishing/hunting. A couple idiots go out and do something stupid, then they put regulations in place that takes everyone else's rights away.
:yeah:
Post by: MtnMuley on January 31, 2012, 04:04:57 PM
"I think some of the concern Pianoman is that some questions turn the spotlight on......like sparking a fire on the range in August."
Yet Doug, we know that the DFW is already watching this site. So a thread like this one would certainly be of interest to them, whether it's pointed out or not. If you know they're here anyway, why not use them to glean useful information that will benefit our wildlife?
If we know WDFW is watching this site, they why are there so many people that condone the posting of a controversial pic in the wintering grounds? Isn't this just adding fuel to the fire to get restrictions put in place? I, for one, enjoy seeing pics of finds towards the end of the season -- especially antlerking's, as he usually has some prime horns. I'm as guilty as the rest that have probably pressured deer early on to gather the bone at some point, but surely have the common sense not to start a thread that could jeopardize the future of shed hunting for everybody. :twocents:
Post by: huntnnw on January 31, 2012, 09:46:41 PM
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:01:44 PM
Like I said before, I made no complaints. I didn't say to anyone that someone was running deer and elk around trying to get at the sheds. I asked for some information is all and was hoping to add to the discussion. The state already knows people shed hunt and if there are problems, they already know about them. If you don't think that's true, you're a moron. I haven't told anyone anything. I was only looking to improve knowledge about the activity. Excuse me for that.
It's unbelievable how quick some of you people are to put down a fellow hunter. I've been really careful to ask questions and not point a finger or make accusations. I even told the original poster I thought the sheds were cool and they are. I'm so incredibly disappointed. I was trying to get some information for all of us and it turned into a huge chit fight.
Something is a little off here, and I just can't put my finger on it. Have you called up the biologists and the WDFW to learn about how wolves impact wintering deer/elk herds, or are you just concerned about the shed hunters?
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Post by: PickNbone on January 31, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
:yeah:Like I said before, I made no complaints. I didn't say to anyone that someone was running deer and elk around trying to get at the sheds. I asked for some information is all and was hoping to add to the discussion. The state already knows people shed hunt and if there are problems, they already know about them. If you don't think that's true, you're a moron. I haven't told anyone anything. I was only looking to improve knowledge about the activity. Excuse me for that.
It's unbelievable how quick some of you people are to put down a fellow hunter. I've been really careful to ask questions and not point a finger or make accusations. I even told the original poster I thought the sheds were cool and they are. I'm so incredibly disappointed. I was trying to get some information for all of us and it turned into a huge chit fight.
Something is a little off here, and I just can't put my finger on it. Have you called up the biologists and the WDFW to learn about how wolves impact wintering deer/elk herds, or are you just concerned about the shed hunters?
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:13:16 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 31, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:32:20 PM
ive seen those :chuckle:
Well I haven't been able to shed hunt WA in 4 years... cut me some slack.
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:38:54 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 31, 2012, 10:47:35 PM
Post by: Miles on January 31, 2012, 10:48:18 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 31, 2012, 11:26:28 PM
Post by: Deep Forks on February 01, 2012, 12:57:57 AM
Post by: Miles on February 01, 2012, 07:12:33 AM
Post by: HornHoarder on February 01, 2012, 07:20:02 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 01, 2012, 07:25:46 AM
Post by: Arteman on February 01, 2012, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 01, 2012, 08:52:25 AM
Post by: Miles on February 02, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
Post by: dmartin on February 02, 2012, 09:49:52 AM
Post by: Miles on February 02, 2012, 11:13:58 AM
:IBCOOL: Finally! some freshies. great pics too. congrats miles
Thanks! They're old fresies. ;) I'm quite a ways from Washington at the moment, so they'll have to do for now.