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Title: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: deleted BGS on January 30, 2012, 08:33:56 PM: Anybody out there have any long range ballistics? Not sure on what bullet i want to shoot, gotta send in ballistics to leupold for my cds. Leaning on 165 gr as an all around bullet, deer, elk bear wont have any trouble. I have thought about hand loading, does anybody have ballistics out to 700 yards. For example, looking for your zero, then yardage with bullet drop in inches?
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 08:38:16 PM: You should try playing around with a ballistic calculator. You'll need the ballistic coefficients of the various bullets, you can get these from each bullet manufacturer's website. Then you'll also need a muzzle velocity, so use your reloading manuals or get info online.

Here's one to try: http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: 400out on January 30, 2012, 08:38:46 PM: YOu know I haven't measured it, really don't plan on going out that far. but I can tell you nosler accubond 165gr match load 1.5 high at 100 and hits 1 low at 400 ;)
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: iusmc2002 on January 30, 2012, 08:39:47 PM: I personally use and like this one

http://huntingnut.com/index.php?name=PointBlank

:tup:
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: coachcw on January 30, 2012, 08:40:00 PM: The 180 accubonds work well and will retain more energy down range .
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 30, 2012, 08:41:42 PM: If you go to winchester ammo. They have a ballistic calculator that you just pick the ammo and your zero and click shoot. Then it will tell you the drop, its nice because you can put the 165 against the 180 and see them shot side by side. There is a lot of great programs out there but it works pretty good.

What game are you wanting to hunt? If you are going to be shooting more deer and lopes I would go to the 165's, if you are after bigger stuff like moose I would go to the 180's. The 180's will have a better bc.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 08:52:10 PM: In the 300 WSM I would go with a 165 or 168, for everything. I just don't think going to a 180 is going to give any benefit even on larger animals. Now in a bigger 30 caliber cartridge like an Ultra Mag I would then go with 180 as a minimum and up to 200. But from what I've seen you'll get your best performance from a 165 out of the WSM, IF you go with a good premium bullet.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2012, 08:59:16 PM: Rebarrel and neck down to 7mm, 168 VLD's. :tup:
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: coachcw on January 30, 2012, 09:01:40 PM: the 180's have aprox 200 more ft lbs of KE at 500 yards . the 165's 1.3 at 100 and -17 at 400 . the 180's 1.5 at 100 and -19 at 400 at 500 yards the 165's drop 39 and the 180's drop 38 . so past 500 i'd go with the 180's better bc and energy.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: deleted BGS on January 30, 2012, 09:20:16 PM: Quote from: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 08:38:16 PM
You should try playing around with a ballistic calculator. You'll need the ballistic coefficients of the various bullets, you can get these from each bullet manufacturer's website. Then you'll also need a muzzle velocity, so use your reloading manuals or get info online.

Here's one to try: http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx

when i pull it up i cant see most of the words :dunno:
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: deleted BGS on January 30, 2012, 09:22:33 PM: Will be shooting all game, deer, bear, elk, and hopefully a sheep at some point.
This is my 2nd rifle, so just want i to reach out and touch something. 165 gr is faster and hits harder at 500 yards, from what i have read in the past
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: luteai on January 30, 2012, 09:25:04 PM: Quote from: biggameslayer on January 30, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 08:38:16 PM
You should try playing around with a ballistic calculator. You'll need the ballistic coefficients of the various bullets, you can get these from each bullet manufacturer's website. Then you'll also need a muzzle velocity, so use your reloading manuals or get info online.

Here's one to try: http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx

when i pull it up i cant see most of the words :dunno:

try Hornady's website, their ballistic calculator is made for my old eyes :rolleyes:!
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 10:05:21 PM: Quote from: coachcw on January 30, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
the 180's have aprox 200 more ft lbs of KE at 500 yards . the 165's 1.3 at 100 and -17 at 400 . the 180's 1.5 at 100 and -19 at 400 at 500 yards the 165's drop 39 and the 180's drop 38 . so past 500 i'd go with the 180's better bc and energy.

Foot pounds of energy I disregard completely. To me it's a meaningless number and not even worth looking at. As for the difference in drop between the two, we're really just splitting hairs. They're virtually the same. What I like best about going with the slightly lighter bullet, especially in a WSM which will tend to be a relatively light rifle, is that it will recoil less. To some that's not important but to me, it is.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 10:06:20 PM: Quote from: biggameslayer on January 30, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 08:38:16 PM
You should try playing around with a ballistic calculator. You'll need the ballistic coefficients of the various bullets, you can get these from each bullet manufacturer's website. Then you'll also need a muzzle velocity, so use your reloading manuals or get info online.

Here's one to try: http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx

when i pull it up i cant see most of the words :dunno:

I'm not sure why. It looks great to me. Maybe try a different browser. (Firefox?)
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 30, 2012, 10:20:57 PM: I've used the 150 and 165gr Accubonds on Mulies here in Eastern WA and both have performed excellent. I settled on the 165 Accubond in both my .300 WSM and .300 Win Mag. I shoot allot of Nosler 165gr seconds Ballistic Tips in the off season because they are a fraction of the cost of the Accubond and shoot the same point of impact, they also make a real mess of groundhogs and coyotes. I have not recovered a 165 Accubond from a Mulie yet but I did recover a 150gr Accubond from a mature Mulie, shot with a .300 WSM on top of H4350 at 379 yards. The bullet was recovered from just under the hide on the off side.

In the open wheat field country I like them flat and fast.

Recovered 150gr Accubond, 379 yards. 76% weight retention. Not bad for also hitting a rib on the impact side.

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Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: Huntbear on January 30, 2012, 10:23:36 PM: Quote from: coachcw on January 30, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
the 180's have aprox 200 more ft lbs of KE at 500 yards . the 165's 1.3 at 100 and -17 at 400 . the 180's 1.5 at 100 and -19 at 400 at 500 yards the 165's drop 39 and the 180's drop 38 . so past 500 i'd go with the 180's better bc and energy.

This is very accurate. My brother and nephew both shoot the 300 WSM. I have loads worked up for 180 gr. accubonds. If you look at the BC for that bullet, when it comes to long range (anything past 500 yds.) it beats the 165 gr. hands down. I am not where I can get my hands on the reloading data right now, but I believe the 180s are coming out of a 22 in. pipe at almost 2900 fps. Use nothing but Magpro powder. CCI magnum primers.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: deleted BGS on January 30, 2012, 10:27:41 PM: You all are confirming my thoughts of getting 180 accubonds, but i do like the 168 berger ballistics
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: addicted on January 31, 2012, 08:02:27 AM: Quote from: coachcw on January 30, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
the 180's have aprox 200 more ft lbs of KE at 500 yards . the 165's 1.3 at 100 and -17 at 400 . the 180's 1.5 at 100 and -19 at 400 at 500 yards the 165's drop 39 and the 180's drop 38 . so past 500 i'd go with the 180's better bc and energy.

how much energy do you need? I'm sure this 6.5 creed has less energy than the 168 when it kills this elk at 600 yards.

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ofcourse i take energy over speed if i have to choose, but neither of them have clue compaired to putting the bullet in the right spot.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 31, 2012, 08:26:49 AM: For the purpose of a scope turret you really need to shoot them in your own gun out to your range you want to shoot (you said 700) and count your clicks and also shoot over a chrony. Make sure the turret actually matches what is happening.
Oh and I would go with 180 accubonds over the 165 accubond.

Since you are dialing the scope trajectory doesn't matter how flat it.shoots. you dial in anyways to what your rangefinder says. Higher BC and heavier bullet will be les affected by wind.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: addicted on January 31, 2012, 08:32:03 AM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on January 31, 2012, 08:26:49 AM

Since you are dialing the scope trajectory doesn't matter how flat it.shoots. you dial in anyways to what your rangefinder says. Higher BC and heavier bullet will be les affected by wind.

now this makes sense. :yeah:
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: Huntbear on January 31, 2012, 09:06:17 AM: I just reread this, and realized you are talking about using a CDS scope.

They will want your data on the following....

Bullet size
Velocity
elevation you plan on hunting
temperature you plan on hunting in.
atmospheric pressures if available.

This has to be real world data to your gun, and your situation.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: jager on January 31, 2012, 09:25:45 AM: I shoot 180 gr. Accubonds. I have similar calibers that I shoot lighter weight bullets out of.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: Bofire on January 31, 2012, 09:48:35 AM: :) from Ammo and Ballistics fourth edition. 300 WSM.
It does not show accubonds in 165 grain,so I compare Barnes triple shocks in 165 and 180. I will show 200 yard zero, 400, 600, 800, 1000 yards. This is a Federal Premium loading.

165, 3210 fps muzzle: 0/ 2630 -18.8/2190 -67.1/1788 -159.6/ 1446 -319.5/ 1185

180,2980 fps muzzle: 0/2570 -19.7/2200 -68.2/1865 -157.2/1564 -303.7/1312

accubond, 180, Federal premium load

180, 2960 fps muzzle; 0/2600 -19.2/2260 -66/1948 -149.8/1666 -284/1420

thems the facts Maam!
Carl
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: Bob33 on January 31, 2012, 11:13:07 AM: Out to 500 yards or so, bullet weight and corresponding BC are not really a major factor to consider. Pick the bullet that your guns likes best. When you start getting out to 600 and beyond, then ballistic performance becomes more and more important. Recognize that with modern technology (i.e. laser rangefinder and turret scopes), drop is not as much of an issue as it used to be. Whether a bullet drops 80 inches or 100 inches, the turret is adjusted accordingly so the bullet goes where you aim.

Accuracy is king when you're shooting at very long distances.

In an ideal world, you will shoot a bullet with a BC of 1.0 that groups 1/8 MOA, with no recoil and perfect terminal performance at every velocity, every time. Dream on. :chuckle:
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 31, 2012, 11:18:48 AM: I have also found that I like a turret marked in moa instead of calibrated to round specific. This allows me to alter for weather and atmospheric conditions as well as tinker with load. There are plenty of online ballistic calculators to use for.making a drop chart for a specific hunt or shooting condition. If you have a smartphone go and download strelok it is a free ballistic calculator app. I have tested it out to 850 and is right on. As accurate as inputs of course.
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: usmc74 on January 31, 2012, 12:30:40 PM: I chose the Winchester Supreme 180 bonded. 3010 fps.

I was thinking 165, but liked the wind bucking ability of the 180 better for long shots
Title: Re: .300 wsm shooters
Post by: MDGrand on January 31, 2012, 03:03:16 PM: I shoot a Berger 185 using IMR 4350 out of Vanguard Sum MOA with a 24" barrel.... gets me about 2800 FPS on average.

Im a high BC fan.. and this bullet retains more energy from 300 yards traveling at initial velocitys of 2800 FPS than other conventional 180 grain bullets traveling at the 2900+ range.

I have also seen what it does to an Elk first hand at 200+ yards... really nice bang flop.

I don't have a load for smaller game... Just a load for 180 Grain Barnes TSXs.. the Rifle LOVES these bullets too..

Honestly, I dont see myself going with a lighter weight bullet. With a High BC heavy weight bullet you get more energy than the lighter ones and if I am worried about destorying meat on smaller game with it, I will just switch to the other favorite bullet it likes, Barnes.

So my :twocents: is with 300 mag calibers.. for an all around bullet for your rifle, I would choose the Berger and Barnes at 180/5 grains and get two CDS dials made. This is exactly what I did on Leupold VXR.