Post by: OSCAR1987 on February 09, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
I am looking for a good dependable gun for waterfowl and upland. Time to move up from my 870! I got a great Bonus at work this year! :IBCOOL:
I am looking at the A400 VS Versa Max but is there a better gun for the money?
Post by: singleshot12 on February 09, 2012, 09:11:12 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on February 09, 2012, 09:13:49 PM
I'm sure someone get on here saying benelli click this benelli click that. They're just jealous beause they're still shooting 11-87's or mossbergs :tung:
Post by: Alan K on February 09, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Post by: CP on February 10, 2012, 07:28:21 AM
Reliably cycles anything I put in it from ľoz reduced recoil target loads to the heaviest 3 ˝ loads, without making any adjustments. Weighs less than 7lbs, light enough to carry all day chasing chukars or quail, yet the gas system reduces felt recoil so you can shoot 3 ˝” goose shells all day long without your shoulder feeling the love. Easy take down, easy cleaning.
Comes with a shim kit to adjust LOP, cast, & drop so it will fit you and it will shoot where your eyes are looking.
Post by: thinkingman on February 10, 2012, 09:51:28 AM
Benelli SBEII...lightweight, felt cheap, plasticky(?), would not cycle target loads, has never seen a 3 1/2 in shell and probably never will. Expensive for what you get. For bragging rights, it's OK, but there are better.
Remington 11-87...heavy pig, ultra-reliable, cycles anything, looks good-nice lines, get parts or repairs anywhere you might need them. Soft shooter...good choice for a 100 round day. Fits the same as an 870.
Browning Silver Hunter...light weight, soft shooter, nice looking, cycles anything, expensive. may age quickly as a waterfowl gun...that's not what I bought it for. Expensive, but worth it. Nothing feels cheap.
I found that fit is a major issue for me hitting targets.
Focus on fit, not what somebody else likes.
All the major manufacturers have their plusses and minuses.
Post by: C-Money on February 10, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
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Post by: sirmissalot on February 10, 2012, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 10, 2012, 10:19:06 AM
Post by: Curly on February 10, 2012, 10:28:13 AM
Post by: Johnb317 on February 10, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
Cycles everything .... course I've never put a 3.5 in it.... why? But it does kick..
For a hunting gun - no big deal, but if you're doing Sporting Clays etc. maybe Gas?
Gas gun... less kick.. my brother loves his Beretta... I'm curious about the new Remington.
Good luck
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 10, 2012, 11:44:22 AM
Post by: Natas5150 on February 10, 2012, 12:05:58 PM
Just my :twocents:
Post by: singleshot12 on February 10, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
Post by: CoachNemo on February 10, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on February 10, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
then I got a superblack eagle II. the factory finish was garbage so I applied my own. I added a wolf recoil spring and a wolf magazine spring ($24.00 investment) and never looked back. I only clean the thing once a year and it grinds through burnt powder, sticks, feather, ice you name it. so far no failures.
I have the non comfort tech stock on, and I just don't experience the recoil I have heard people complain about with this gun. in my mind for that price point there is no better duck gun than an SBEII.
I also recently aquired a sp10 with a 30 inch barrel. I stuck with a pattern master extended range and have pulled off some long shots with this combo ( long shots with stone dead ducks btw) but at a buck a shot, switching from my benelli to the ten gauge can be an expensive adjustment curve. Im kinda thinking about swapping it out for a BUL in 12gauge or maybe 20.
the best semi auto is the one you shoot with the most. keep them clean, put quality (dry ) ammo in them and they should all go BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
too many people don't know how to clean a semi and then they try to put light loads or poor quality loads through their semi's and then bitch on the internet when they malfunction.
Post by: coachcw on February 10, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
Post by: OSCAR1987 on February 10, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
I researched a lot...read all the reviews and that was simply the most reliable choice I could make. THEN i spoke with the EXPERTS - gun smiths at the shop.
They asked me what EXACTLY I was looking for and I told them that I wanted absolute reliability, tough, light kick, versatile, accurate, adjustable, BLING BLING of a shotgun for wet, muddy nasty west side Washington Pheasants and waterfowl. They told me that sure the Remington was a good gun, but that the Beretta was simply the BEST I COULD GET! I brought home my Beretta A400 tonight. Max 4 camo, factory plug to be legal, 2 extra chokes and a lot of other stuff in a hard case. I paid more than a Remington, but not much more. :tup:
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 10, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
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Post by: 87Ford on February 10, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Post by: FALFire on February 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
What about the Stoeger 3500? They r made by Beretta I think for about 1/4 the cost
Though they are good guns, they are owned by Benelli and use similar system to the Benelli M-1 Inertia blow back bolt system. They are not made by Beretta however.
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/information/stoeger-history.php
:tup:
Post by: Stilly bay on February 10, 2012, 08:41:20 PM
What about the Stoeger 3500? They r made by Beretta I think for about 1/4 the cost
Though they are good guns, they are owned by Benelli and use similar system to the Benelli M-1 Inertia blow back bolt system. They are not made by Beretta however.
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/information/stoeger-history.php
:tup:
stoeger, uberti, and benelli are all owned by Beretta. thats why all this benelli vs berretta brand loyalty stuff is such a hoot.
should be more like recoil operated VS gas operated.
Post by: Hunting7mm on February 10, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
Post by: FALFire on February 10, 2012, 09:09:43 PM
I own and shoot a Mossberg 935 that works really well but is a bit too heavy for me to carry for upland birds. It works great in the goose blind with good ammo it's for sale too, however the Beretta does it all much too well and I'm keeping' that one.
Post by: 87Ford on February 10, 2012, 09:17:05 PM
stoeger, uberti, and benelli are all owned by Beretta. thats why all this benelli vs berretta brand loyalty stuff is such a hoot.
should be more like recoil operated VS gas operated.
Guess I should have said I prefer the Benelli delayed blowback action to the gas operated action of the Beretta A400. I don't care who owns them, they're both nice. I just happen to like the simplicity of the Benelli design and the fact that it is easier to clean.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 10, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
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Post by: FALFire on February 11, 2012, 07:31:59 AM
Those Saigas are the chit when it comes to fun factor. I wished I had bought one back when they were like 200 bucks.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 11, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
I ran 8 boxes(200 rounds) through one fast and dry and never had a hiccup. Typical, durable commie crap.
Mines a 19" made in Russia by Izhmash.
Post by: GEARHEAD on February 11, 2012, 11:30:53 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 11, 2012, 11:41:41 AM
SBEII, no gas system to fail you, maintain and tear apart, no "O" rings, like the remington, the whole system falls into your hand for easy take down, shoots anything.
+1. And it shoots 3 1/2's smooth as can be. Not a big 3 1/2" fan, most of my shooting is done with 3 inch #4's over decoys.
Post by: OSCAR1987 on February 11, 2012, 10:13:32 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 11, 2012, 11:05:18 PM
OK Naches...Your turn for a Beretta!
I think I need another one :chuckle:. :bdid:
I was thinking about getting another one but realized that I do not shoot as much as I used to. I used to shoot trap and games two days a week but I only get out once or twice a month now. I get to shoot sporting clays when I have a chance. If the people running the 2 gun clubs in the Yakima valley wanted customers, I would shoot more. Sun Valley has ridiculous prices and membership price. When my dad was still living over here, we used to go there for games. now it is a ghost town. The other place I used to shoot at was Pomona until they did not want the club to make any money. The klingele clan got rid of all the good shooters out of there and try to blame us (over 20 people) for leaving wish was :bs:. Well you get the point. There is not anywhere to shoot except rattlesnake mountain sometimes for meat shoots and games.
When my dad has time off, I try to make it over there for a sporting clays shoot or just any shoot in particular. I will probably get over for a shoot at Sumner gun club if I get around to it.
For the people in the Yakima valley, who knows, maybe somebody who would want to make a profit will take it over.
Post by: CastleRocker on February 12, 2012, 12:49:02 AM
Anyway, he said the outfitters will only use two different shotguns. The Benelli SBE and the Beretta 390. Not the SBE II or the 391, etc. Only the original SBE or the 390. He said he has asked them and they told him they have tried them all, and those are the only two that will hold up to that kind of punishment day after day, week after week, all season, year after year. He said he was told each of the guns they use will fire around 20 to 30 thousand rounds in a season.
Personally I can't imagine a shotgun lasting more than one or two seasons under those conditions. (I also can't imagine trying to shoot a thousand doves in a day!)
I don't know what semi-auto shotgun is best, but those are two I would definately consider. I have an SBE II, my son has a Sport II. Never have either fail to go bang. (Mine doesn't hit where I want it to sometimes though).
Post by: addicted on February 12, 2012, 09:25:58 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 12, 2012, 01:31:51 PM
Post by: Curly on February 12, 2012, 01:43:45 PM
I brought home my Beretta A400 tonight.
Does that Beretta have the safety in front of the trigger guard?
That is the thing I don't like about the Benelli Vinci. I'm too used to shooting guns with the safety behind the trigger, I don't think I'd ever get used to it out front.
Post by: OSCAR1987 on February 12, 2012, 10:19:45 PM
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Post by: OSCAR1987 on February 13, 2012, 06:54:58 PM