Post by: marlin on February 09, 2012, 09:15:55 PM
Only problem is, even reloading its going to be expensive to shoot. It looks like it will be about 25 cents per shot which isnt bad, but thats not including brass so I guess Ill see how cheap I can get some brass. Cheapest factory loads I saw were about 60 cents per shot.
Post by: Button Nubbs on February 09, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
Post by: mkcj on February 09, 2012, 10:28:17 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on February 10, 2012, 12:29:06 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 10, 2012, 03:35:56 AM
Post by: yorketransport on February 10, 2012, 08:35:24 PM
:yike: I heard youre not supposed to reload ammo fired from a glock! be careful. I hope an expert will chime in on this one...
Glocks, especially the 40 and 10mm versions, are extremely hard on brass. That's one of the reasons I didn't like mine. The unsupported case head helps them feed any imaginable bullet profile, but leaves very little support for the brass. I never ran brass more than 2full power firings before I scrapped it. If I was running lighter loads I would use the bras 3-4 times.
Are you sure they didn't order you a G29? I have a g20sf and it came with 2 15 round mags. Either way, congrats on the gun!!! 10mm is awesome!I bet the one he ordered is the California version which only ships with 10 round mags. Same gun, just 10 round mags instead of 15.
Andrew
Post by: FALFire on February 10, 2012, 09:14:06 PM
:yike: I heard youre not supposed to reload ammo fired from a glock! be careful. I hope an expert will chime in on this one...
Glocks, especially the 40 and 10mm versions, are extremely hard on brass. That's one of the reasons I didn't like mine. The unsupported case head helps them feed any imaginable bullet profile, but leaves very little support for the brass. I never ran brass more than 2full power firings before I scrapped it. If I was running lighter loads I would use the bras 3-4 times.Are you sure they didn't order you a G29? I have a g20sf and it came with 2 15 round mags. Either way, congrats on the gun!!! 10mm is awesome!I bet the one he ordered is the California version which only ships with 10 round mags. Same gun, just 10 round mags instead of 15.
Andrew
That is about it, but you can purchase an aftermarket barrel that has a supported chamber and slightly different rifling to fire your reloads all day long in it.
Post by: Button Nubbs on February 10, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
Post by: marlin on February 10, 2012, 10:01:35 PM
Yeah the one Im getting is the 10rd model for magazine capacity regulated states, only because the px's supplier was backordered on the 15rd model. 2 15rd mags for 23 bucks is good though.. 11.50 each? come on. My Ruger SR9's mags are like 40 each. Ill probably sell the 10rd mags.
I realize I shouldnt shoot cast lead in the stock barrel, but I dont see why jacketed reloads should hurt anything. I am a little concerned about the lack of support in the chamber for the case. I have seen that G20 that someone overloaded and it blew up.. I wouldnt want that to happen. I think this is going to be just like an AR, too many available options means I could spend a ton on it. Now Im thinking it might have been better for me to get a G21sf and then get a G20 longslide from lone wolf. None the less, I cant wait to get it, and I will post some pics Im sure.
Post by: fish vacuum on February 11, 2012, 12:56:39 AM
Post by: sebek556 on February 11, 2012, 12:58:51 AM
Post by: marlin on February 11, 2012, 07:27:58 AM
Post by: yorketransport on February 11, 2012, 07:42:55 AM
Andrew
Post by: fish vacuum on February 11, 2012, 11:34:05 AM
Post by: wraithen on February 11, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Post by: marlin on February 11, 2012, 08:05:43 PM
I saw an old wore out G20 at the centralia gun show today for $525 So Im still pretty happy with my purchase. Alot happier than my girlfriend is about it! But she wont let me sell anything to make up for it.. So Ill just have to be on my best behavior for a while and not buy any more guns for a while. I have been buying too many toys.
Post by: marlin on February 11, 2012, 08:41:34 PM
I was out walking around in the woods and found about 15rds of 10mm brass, and it was all bulged at the bottom. It was probably fired from a glock and it looked like once fired brass. Nickel plated. In my experience the nickel plated stuff is stiffer and stronger, so if it was new brass that bulged after the first firing, I am a little concerned. I like the power and capacity the g20 offers, and the fact that Ted Nugent shoots deer with his! I have a .380, a 9mm, a .357mag, and I want a more powerful pistol I am just worried about the cost of shooting it if I will have to buy new brass after only a couple firings. My 9mm brass lasts forever it seems like, and so does .38spl brass. .380 lasts as long as I can find it, my P3AT flings brass in no particular direction and far.
Any G20 owners who reload care to fill me in on how long I should expect brass to last? I would feel bad about cancelling an order but its not like they wont be able to sell it if I do.
Post by: fish vacuum on February 12, 2012, 12:29:12 AM
I don't reload so I can't answer any of your reloading questions, but it is the perfect woods gun. I have other Glocks that fire cheaper ammo for practice. My G20 has still eaten a bunch of Blazer and Remington FMJ ammo plus a few mags of hot Double Tap HPs without a worry.
I can't think of a pistol that is practical and packs more punch than a G20.
Post by: wraithen on February 12, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on February 12, 2012, 03:00:12 PM
BTW you can tell if the brass you found was fired from a glock by the rectangular firing pin strike on the primer. The Delta Elite, Bren Ten, S&W 610 and whatever else is out there will make a round primer strike.
Post by: yorketransport on February 12, 2012, 07:44:58 PM
I am starting to have some 2nd thoughts already though, because this homeland security discount was mentioned. Maybe I would be eligible, but that would require me to either wait until I have the cash for it, or sell another gun for it. Also I am a little worried about the brass life. I could just go with a .44 mag and the brass would probably last forever and I wouldnt have to chase it down, but then I wouldnt have 15+1 capacity. I guess I could cancel my order and try to find another place where I might be able to get the HLS discount.. But I am excited to get the thing in my hands and go shoot it.
I was out walking around in the woods and found about 15rds of 10mm brass, and it was all bulged at the bottom. It was probably fired from a glock and it looked like once fired brass. Nickel plated. In my experience the nickel plated stuff is stiffer and stronger, so if it was new brass that bulged after the first firing, I am a little concerned. I like the power and capacity the g20 offers, and the fact that Ted Nugent shoots deer with his! I have a .380, a 9mm, a .357mag, and I want a more powerful pistol I am just worried about the cost of shooting it if I will have to buy new brass after only a couple firings. My 9mm brass lasts forever it seems like, and so does .38spl brass. .380 lasts as long as I can find it, my P3AT flings brass in no particular direction and far.
Any G20 owners who reload care to fill me in on how long I should expect brass to last? I would feel bad about cancelling an order but its not like they wont be able to sell it if I do.
You pretty much summed up the reasons I no longer have my G20 or G29. I sold both to buy a Dan Wesson CCBT 10mm as my 10mm auto loader. That was a great gun, but I had to sell BOTH Glocks to pay for the DW. I ended up selling the DW after a wrist injury made the 10mm too "snappy" for me to shoot out of an auto loader.
Now I have a S&W 610 6.5" revolver in 10mm. It's doesn't hold 15 rounds and it isn't very concealable, but it's more accurate and much stronger than the G20 was ever going to be. The problem is that they don't make the 610 any more and they're getting hard/expensive to find.
I think you should follow through with the G20. Try it and see how it works out for you. If you don't like it you can always sell it. People are always looking for G20s.
Andrew
Post by: marlin on February 12, 2012, 10:25:57 PM
I did see a EAA Witness Elite Match 10mm for $500 used.. Those appeal to me too, have around the same capacity, and are probably more accurate with the single action trigger. I am sure the Glock would be more reliable and have better resale value though. What I think is cool about the EAA is that you can easily get slides and barrels in all the other calibers you want. The .22 conversion would be cheaper and I could get a 9mm slide for that.. AFAIK there is no way you can get a 9mm slide on a G20 because its on a bigger frame than the G17.
I saw the Advantage Arms G20/21 .22 conversion runs for like 300 bucks.. If I end up holding on to the glock I would probably get that so I could practice the Glock trigger for less money. Anybody have on of the Glock .22 conversions? I run a Ciener .22 conversion in my AR and I love it, I wonder if the Glock conversion would be as reliable and fun
Post by: marlin on February 13, 2012, 09:58:48 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on February 13, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Go to sportco they have 10mm for $17 a box of fifty.
If you want hot loads shoot double tap ammo or buffalo bore.
I have been using blue dot powder 8 grains for range shooting,
You will not regret getting it, I would recommend a trigger job though
Post by: NW-GSP on February 13, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
Reloading makes it allot cheaper, 300 plated hollow point bullets 35 bucks, plus primers powder and brass and you have 300 10mm for around $65.
Go to sportco they have 10mm for $17 a box of fifty.
If you want hot loads shoot double tap ammo or buffalo bore.
I have been using blue dot powder 8 grains for range shooting,
You will not regret getting it, I would recommend a trigger job though
Post by: marlin on February 23, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
Post by: wraithen on February 23, 2012, 05:49:02 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on February 23, 2012, 05:50:47 PM
I went out in the woods and shot 50rds of cheap hsm 10mm today, just because ive had the glock too long to wait to shoot it any longer. Ran perfectly and Im in love! I shot some empty beer bottles that just happened to be left out there, and they just completely disintegrated! I didnt shoot any paper targets with it, but it shot right where I was aiming and so far I couldnt be happier with it! My brass didnt look too messed up. Just a little swollen, and the extractor leaves some gouges in the brass but nothing major. Im tempted to head up to surplus ammo and arms in lakewood and get 500rds of the BVAC 180gr HP's just to have some practice ammo and brass to reload.
what are they charging for 500?
Post by: wraithen on February 23, 2012, 05:58:44 PM
Post by: marlin on February 23, 2012, 06:59:04 PM