Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 12, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
Post by: JohnVH on February 12, 2012, 02:14:36 PM
Post by: rfhd69 on February 19, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
Can't wait to make a trip to Idaho to hunt them!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 20, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 20, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 20, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 20, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
This would have a big impact, but I hate spreading things only later to find out it was some animal smacked by a car
Post by: Wildsau on February 20, 2012, 11:28:26 AM
Seeing as wolves have no natural enemy, it is up to man to ensure they don't get out of hand.
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 20, 2012, 11:31:30 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 20, 2012, 11:51:28 AM
Post by: wsucowboy on February 20, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
Post by: hunterofelk on February 20, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Post by: TWG2A on February 24, 2012, 11:42:51 PM
We call it "The Three SSS's"
Post by: CementFinisher on February 25, 2012, 01:01:04 AM
So, just to be fair, and not to support the wolf population, I just have to ask if any members of this forum have hunted antlerless elk during a late permit hunt and killed a cow elk with a calf embryo?
lets not help make arguments for the enemy :bdid:
Post by: KopperBuck on February 25, 2012, 06:08:41 AM
So, just to be fair, and not to support the wolf population, I just have to ask if any members of this forum have hunted antlerless elk during a late permit hunt and killed a cow elk with a calf embryo?
lets not help make arguments for the enemy :bdid:
Then don't apply for the hunt. There's no argument to be made here either... Not even close to the same thing.
Post by: boneaddict on February 25, 2012, 06:49:20 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 10, 2012, 10:33:56 AM
I think ALL big game hunting should be over COMPLETELY by the first of the year, if not earlier in December even.
Just curious Boneaddict, since elk breed in Sept. and in Washington most elk hunting is in Oct., Nov., and Dec., What does it matter if a cow is killed in Jan or Feb instead of Oct, Nov or Dec? The result is the same. One less cow and her calf/calves are out of the picture. That is figured into the justification for cow hunts. And cow hunts are usually only approved for areas where they are looking to reduce or limit the growth of a herd. Although, most Jan and Feb hunts are to push elk away from agricultural areas. So are you against cow hunting in general? or just after New Year?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 10, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
If cougars/wolves are to be considered big game, then those animals are the ones I have no problem with people hunting in winter (or year round for that matter).
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 10, 2012, 12:18:56 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 10, 2012, 03:34:56 PM
PS...... personally, I don't like the idea of private property owners having anything to do or say about setting hunting seasons. Especially when they don't allow public hunting on their property. My thought is, if they co-operate with the public, then the public can co-operate with them to a degree. If they want to keep the public out, they can keep the wildlife out themselves too. If that includes a chain link fence around their property, so be it. Unless of course that interferes with natural migration routes.
Post by: hunterofelk on March 10, 2012, 03:58:24 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 10, 2012, 04:22:18 PM
What I was trying to put across was some cow elk are killed in late hunts and during the field dressing an embryo is pulled out so why should a picture like the one posted upset us hunters?
It shouldn't.........unless of course we are as emotional as we accuse the antis of being.
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2012, 04:51:48 PM
OK, there aren't too many elk hunts that go past Dec, but the ones that do are basically to keep elk out of agricultural areas. So if you end those hunts, what do you tell the farmers? "Build a 10 foot fence around your property"?I agree. Hunts in the very late seasons are almost always for damage control, hazing, or other forms of wildlife management. Why a hunter would not support hunting as the first option in these instances is something I don't understand.
PS...... personally, I don't like the idea of private property owners having anything to do or say about setting hunting seasons. Especially when they don't allow public hunting on their property. My thought is, if they co-operate with the public, then the public can co-operate with them to a degree. If they want to keep the public out, they can keep the wildlife out themselves too. If that includes a chain link fence around their property, so be it. Unless of course that interferes with natural migration routes.
Post by: Eli346 on March 10, 2012, 04:57:50 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2012, 05:35:11 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 10, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
OK, there aren't too many elk hunts that go past Dec, but the ones that do are basically to keep elk out of agricultural areas. So if you end those hunts, what do you tell the farmers? "Build a 10 foot fence around your property"?This is a really good point here now ... :tup:
PS...... personally, I don't like the idea of private property owners having anything to do or say about setting hunting seasons. Especially when they don't allow public hunting on their property. My thought is, if they co-operate with the public, then the public can co-operate with them to a degree. If they want to keep the public out, they can keep the wildlife out themselves too. If that includes a chain link fence around their property, so be it. Unless of course that interferes with natural migration routes.
Post by: elkslayer069 on March 10, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Those 200 cow tags in Winston in January aren't damage control; they're to appease the media and the non-hunters about all the video and bad press that's going around about the Mudflow population starving to death! They're starving to death because they know they're safe there but don't realize that if they just move a few miles there's abundant feed. Hunt them in the Mudflow for a couple of years and they will disperse to better forage; problem solved.
To bad we have not a hard enough winter to "starve" the mudflow elk in 3 or 4 years
Post by: KopperBuck on March 10, 2012, 11:56:11 PM
OK, there aren't too many elk hunts that go past Dec, but the ones that do are basically to keep elk out of agricultural areas. So if you end those hunts, what do you tell the farmers? "Build a 10 foot fence around your property"?
PS...... personally, I don't like the idea of private property owners having anything to do or say about setting hunting seasons. Especially when they don't allow public hunting on their property. My thought is, if they co-operate with the public, then the public can co-operate with them to a degree. If they want to keep the public out, they can keep the wildlife out themselves too. If that includes a chain link fence around their property, so be it. Unless of course that interferes with natural migration routes.
They'd probably just break that fence down as well... :o In our instance we have an adjoining landowner who won't let anyone hunt his property, nor does he. Consequently we now have an elk haven immediately south of much of our pasture ground, which spill over often late in the year overgrazing due to the size of the herd (think 300-500 elk) and just tearing the sh*t out of our fences. Not to mention they've chased all the mule deer down into the lower country! And now we have WTs showing up :'(
Many of these late tags are held by landowners who aren't going to be chasing these herds all over the country, it's more of an opportunistic hunt. I can see where the general public might oppose landowners receiving these tags, but they foot the cost of the damage caused, as well as help support these herds through sterwardship of the land that's an auxillary benefit. It's not something we celebrate, just a means of management that we should support since it's at the basis of our pastime. At least that's how I look at it.