Post by: bigbucks1985 on February 13, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on February 13, 2012, 08:48:13 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 13, 2012, 08:56:52 PM
Post by: bigbucks1985 on February 13, 2012, 09:23:30 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 13, 2012, 09:54:56 PM
Had one in Alaska threaten friends of mine who were fishing near an obviously old fire pit. Was screaming at them trying to get them to admit they used the pit. Know quite a few people who have gotten traffic tickets from them.
Post by: huntnnw on February 13, 2012, 09:56:34 PM
Post by: clindsayrun on February 14, 2012, 02:18:11 AM
Frankly I'm happy to see the enforcement action. It drives me nuts when idiots use public land like it's there own private party zone.
My only issue has been with biologists and administrators. My first season archery hunting I had a supervisor of a tree thinning crew take one of my trail cameras, cut my cable and they didn't cut the tree. Camera had my name and number on it. When I went into the office to ask if anyone had seen my camera (since the area was thinned out I suspected it was someone on the crew) I was told that leaving a camera on USFS land was illegal (it was August, right before hunting season). When I asked the supervisor if he was a sworn LEO with the authority to seize property he said he wasn't but had an obligation to ensure the rules were followed. I advised him that I intrepreted the removal of my camera as theft. And in the future he ought to refer matters of "law" to an acutal law enforcement officer as it's their job to either enforce a law or exercise discretion. Anyway, I got the camera back.... minus the SD card!!! No explanation there...
Lesson learned: Find better stand locations!
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2012, 06:35:58 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2012, 06:47:55 AM
Post by: seth30 on February 14, 2012, 06:48:58 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 14, 2012, 06:58:56 AM
"the patrol officers are like town cops on steroids." Really??? I've never had any issue with a USFS LEO. Drive like and idiot and get caught... you're going to get a ticket! Steal timber or firewood without a permit... you're going to get a ticket! Build a drunken bonfire during a burn ban... you're going to get a ticket!
Frankly I'm happy to see the enforcement action. It drives me nuts when idiots use public land like it's there own private party zone.
My only issue has been with biologists and administrators. My first season archery hunting I had a supervisor of a tree thinning crew take one of my trail cameras, cut my cable and they didn't cut the tree. Camera had my name and number on it. When I went into the office to ask if anyone had seen my camera (since the area was thinned out I suspected it was someone on the crew) I was told that leaving a camera on USFS land was illegal (it was August, right before hunting season). When I asked the supervisor if he was a sworn LEO with the authority to seize property he said he wasn't but had an obligation to ensure the rules were followed. I advised him that I intrepreted the removal of my camera as theft. And in the future he ought to refer matters of "law" to an acutal law enforcement officer as it's their job to either enforce a law or exercise discretion. Anyway, I got the camera back.... minus the SD card!!! No explanation there...
Lesson learned: Find better stand locations!
There was one up in randall giving out seatbelt tickets on logging roads about 5 years ago when that law first came out.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 14, 2012, 07:15:25 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2012, 07:17:19 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 14, 2012, 07:19:56 AM
Sounds like another rumor to me. Our state has many residents from other states and assume the laws of there states are the same as ours.......
That really wouldn't have anything to do with it. The claim was that trail cams were illegal on USFS land. That would be a federal law
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 14, 2012, 08:19:13 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 14, 2012, 08:25:56 AM
Post by: Curly on February 14, 2012, 09:06:43 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 14, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
I've never had any issue with a USFS LEO. Drive like and idiot and get caught... you're going to get a ticket! Steal timber or firewood without a permit... you're going to get a ticket! Build a drunken bonfire during a burn ban... you're going to get a ticket!
Frankly I'm happy to see the enforcement action. It drives me nuts when idiots use public land like it's there own private party zone.
You need to spend some time in Alaska where there is a lot of federal land and see how the feds have recently become overzealous in their enforcement. It's not so much about protecting things as it is about bringing in money via tickets.
I agree with you that anyone driving carelessly deserves a ticket, but with budget cutbacks, how exactly are forest service personal doing their job of protecting the forest when they are spending their time setting up speed traps and doing traffic patrol?
Post by: buckfvr on February 14, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on February 14, 2012, 11:50:13 AM
1. Follow Washington State Fish and Wildlife Laws pertaining to Baiting(Cannot Bait Bears)
2. You must remove the bait once you're done hunting or if you remove Camera.
Same goes for Trail Cams and Treestand,Blinds, ect.
Post by: leed on February 14, 2012, 12:38:55 PM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on February 14, 2012, 12:53:45 PM
Post by: jdurham on February 18, 2012, 06:40:57 PM
http://utahwildlife.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35347
Post by: h20hunter on February 18, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on February 18, 2012, 07:35:28 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on February 18, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
I just got of the phone with Mike Borysewicz, wildlife biologist Colville National Forest said that it is not illegal to Bait wildlife on National forest you only have to stipulations to follow.
1. Follow Washington State Fish and Wildlife Laws pertaining to Baiting(Cannot Bait Bears)
2. You must remove the bait once you're done hunting or if you remove Camera.
Same goes for Trail Cams and Treestand,Blinds, ect.
Thanks for providing some solid info... :tup:
Post by: bigtex on February 18, 2012, 07:43:29 PM
Now days, you want to be real sure any activity in a National Forest is legal. The feds are hurting for money and the patrol officers are like town cops on steroids. They are writing tickets for just about everything including traffic tickets.
Had one in Alaska threaten friends of mine who were fishing near an obviously old fire pit. Was screaming at them trying to get them to admit they used the pit. Know quite a few people who have gotten traffic tickets from them.
The whole "bringing in more revenue" saying for feds doesn't really apply. Federal agencies do NOT receive ANY money from any federal tickets. All federal citations (anything from military police to a National Park Ranger) have their funds deposited into a federal account that supports crime victims. Federal citations are not like your local city pd ticket where the city retains some of the money.
And as far as traffic tickets go, all federal land management agencies have the authority to regulate traffic on their lands. In fact in some areas traffic enforcement is all the federal land management agency officers do...
Post by: jdurham on February 19, 2012, 07:27:41 AM
I just got of the phone with Mike Borysewicz, wildlife biologist Colville National Forest said that it is not illegal to Bait wildlife on National forest you only have to stipulations to follow.Thanks for the info :tup:
1. Follow Washington State Fish and Wildlife Laws pertaining to Baiting(Cannot Bait Bears)
2. You must remove the bait once you're done hunting or if you remove Camera.
Same goes for Trail Cams and Treestand,Blinds, ect.
Thanks for providing some solid info... :tup:
Post by: muleracks2 on February 19, 2012, 02:36:37 PM