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Title: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
a 3-shot group shot at 600 yards with my R-Bros built 338 Lapua.
300 grain MK's at 2725 with a 27" Rock on a Phoenix action.
Shot prone of Harris bipod and rear bag.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2FTwinLapuas004.jpg&hash=71469ef1f16a93505c374911c5b6e8be31733371)
 The 338 is the back rifle
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2FTwinLapuas001-1.jpg&hash=0fa8f6ab607d42ac44bd0749bc209e3bf57199aa)
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: h20hunter on February 14, 2012, 10:38:13 AM
Pretty bad a@@ for a riflt with the bolt on the wrong side!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: halflife65 on February 14, 2012, 10:51:29 AM
You beat me to it, h20hunter.  I was going to say those things shoot pretty well but it looks like something's wrong with the bolt...it's all twisted to the wrong side of the rifle.

Very nice rifle(s). 
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2012, 11:24:15 AM
Don't ya know, there's a discount on those left hand women's rifles. :chuckle: :chuckle: Almost shoots as good as Gabe's, Benchmark builds a hell of a .338 barrel also. :tup: Dial that in a bit more and it will really shoot. :IBCOOL: I see the fresh bullet splash marks on the fresh paint low in the cropped pic, looks like two more low? 5 shots, closest 3?
 
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: b23 on February 14, 2012, 02:07:27 PM
Travis sure is making some nice looking stuff.  Good looking rifles you have there for sure!!!!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: coachcw on February 14, 2012, 04:21:16 PM
sweet set up !
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: JPhelps on February 14, 2012, 07:25:58 PM
I would take 1/2 MOA at 600 yards any day. :tup:

I can't wait for my 7mm rem mag from Travis.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 07:54:12 PM
Here is a 3-shot group with the same loads/ rifle combo at 100 yards.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2Fbearhunt2010011.jpg&hash=86a5a07db5a6e0f771e1c5dafc23f466689a1695)
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Those groups are getting better, being near the point of aim. Never saw much sense in guys posting group pictures nowhere near the point of aim. Sure the rifle may shoot but if the driver/pilot can't put it on the money what good is it? :tup:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 14, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
1 click left- 1 click up

those nightforce scopes can do better than that. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2012, 08:52:45 PM
1 click left- 1 click up

those nightforce scopes can do better than that. :chuckle:

Depends on if it's a Mil or 1/4 minute.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 14, 2012, 08:59:34 PM
1 click left- 1 click up

those nightforce scopes can do better than that. :chuckle:

Depends on of it's a Mil or 1/4 minute.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Why yes grasshopper..it does.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2012, 09:01:09 PM
1 click left- 1 click up

those nightforce scopes can do better than that. :chuckle:

Depends on of it's a Mil or 1/4 minute.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Why yes grasshopper..it does.

I don't think a Groundhog would be around long enough to debate Mil or 1/4 minute.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on February 14, 2012, 09:07:07 PM
Great looking LG's and nice group.  Hoping to be a part of your shoot this summer.  Missed out last year due to other gunning commitments.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 14, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
If ha don't mind me askin, how much do you have into that setup?
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 09:19:56 PM
A couple of 3 shot groups at 600 doing some load work with the 300MK's
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F338600-1.jpg&hash=45d61e2b6d0be85a0ca3840a2b3495d23c891e5b)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F338600-2.jpg&hash=3093a3ecff70b7dbc20a498d746ab6331e748efb)
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2012, 09:23:36 PM
If ha don't mind me askin, how much do you have into that setup?

Word on the street is, he got a smoking deal on both. ;)
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 09:24:22 PM
If ha don't mind me askin, how much do you have into that setup?
They have pricing on their web page.
http://rbrosrifles.com/index.php
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Cap.Silver on February 14, 2012, 09:34:38 PM
 :yike: my car didn't cost that much  :chuckle:just kidding ,sweet setup
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: FC on February 14, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
Don't take this the wrong way but...Is that all the better that a $5k+ combo can shoot?
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 10:20:49 PM
Don't take this the wrong way but...Is that all the better that a $5k+ combo can shoot?

How much better do you think it should shoot?
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Wazukie on February 14, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
1" groups would be nice :dunno:  3" is what. 1/2 MOA?  Thats not to bad.  Most of the time you get out past 400 or 500 yards, its not the rifle but the shooter.  I think as you shoot that thing and get a load worked up for it, it'll tighten up a bit.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on February 14, 2012, 10:32:01 PM
1" groups would be nice :dunno:  3" is what. 1/2 MOA?  Thats not to bad.  Most of the time you get out past 400 or 500 yards, its not the rifle but the shooter.  I think as you shoot that thing and get a load worked up for it, it'll tighten up a bit.

REALLY!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: FC on February 14, 2012, 10:34:40 PM
Don't take this the wrong way but...Is that all the better that a $5k+ combo can shoot?

How much better do you think it should shoot?

For 5k I would be looking for something more like 1/4 minute or better, do you think you are at the rifle's potential or are you still working towards it? 1/2 MOA should be do-able with an off the shelf Savage pretty handily.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
I would like you to  show me, you, with a bone stock Savage rifle, shooting off a bi pod and a rear bag, consistently holding  1/2 MOA at 600.
Then  just for grins, show me you shooting a custom non bench rest rifle 1/4 MOA at 600 off a bi-pod and rear bag... consistently.
Then feel free to come over in March and school us at the rifle match in the link below.
There will be shooters there from all around the country that will be astounded at your abilities.
http://www.findlaycup.net/

Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: FC on February 14, 2012, 11:03:44 PM
I'm sorry did I hurt your feelings or something? You started showing off and got some honest opinions.

FWIW Savage does make an off-the-shelf benchrest rifle.

I think team Savage has more than adequately demonstrated the capabilities of their rifles.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2012, 11:25:55 PM
I'm sorry did I hurt your feelings or something? You started showing off and got some honest opinions.

FWIW Savage does make an off-the-shelf benchrest rifle.

I think team Savage has more than adequately demonstrated the capabilities of their rifles.
Not sure how you or anybody on this or any web page could possibly hurt my feelings?
 I shoot with one of Team Savage's shooters. Allot. He is a helluva great guy and a great shot.
  I'm not too worried about a factory Savage rifle.
There a remote chance you could shoot 1/2 MOA with a Savage or 1/4 MOA as outlined in my earlier post?
 We seem to have different ideas as to what showing off is. This thread is just for conversation.  If I were showing off I would post up a video of me running 175mph + into turn 1 at Spokane Raceway Park on my R-1


Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 15, 2012, 06:20:49 AM
Hahahaha! Real world question and the OP gets all spun up. Guess there isn't a bunch of ass patting going on here like at the above stated match and hell as for " Schooling" there are plenty of shooters at that match that can " School" Jim. As for the Savage shooter Jim speaks of, he is a hell of a shot and shoots F-Class and his savages do shoot tighter than that, his record and trophy room speak for him. Some ego's need to be kept in check. Don't sweat it FC, the click locally changes very often. There are several or so that "Think"  their the chit. :tup:

Kind of amusing. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: seth30 on February 15, 2012, 06:50:47 AM
I have never hunted with a 338; Jim, do you hunt with yours, and if you  how often does a animal hit by one of those massive rounds get back up? :tup:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: boneaddict on February 15, 2012, 07:06:35 AM
Holy moly.  Got some "shooters" here I guess.    I'd be pretty stoked to see that at 600 yards. 
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: 204chucknorris on February 15, 2012, 07:10:45 AM
Jim,  targets look great along with the guns as well. I am irritated to see how some can view your posts as gloating or something!  Its just good to see that most just see  this thread is simply sharing your excitement. I will be checking your link for the shoot though as I have always wanted to go to one of these.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 15, 2012, 07:20:50 AM
Jim,  targets look great along with the guns as well. I am irritated to see how some can view your posts as gloating or something!  Its just good to see that most just see  this thread is simply sharing your excitement. I will be checking your link for the shoot though as I have always wanted to go to one of these.

Hahahaha, he might as well post the video. He's already talking about R1's ????? 170 something ???? And the Spokane race way???? Along with corners?????  On a guns and ammo forum? :tup:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 15, 2012, 07:34:23 AM
Hey, why don't you shut your mouth?! You come across as an arrogant, sh?t talking, piece of trash! This guy made a cool post with awesome rifles and you gotta bust his balls? Nothing better to do? Guys like you are the reason that less and less people are participating in this forum!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: h20hunter on February 15, 2012, 07:35:26 AM
Wow....downhill fast on this one!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 15, 2012, 07:37:40 AM
No kidding, I didn't see any reason for it either! Someone thinks their cool! :dunno:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: FALFire on February 15, 2012, 07:58:04 AM
Those are great groups no doubt  :tup: I would love to have a rifle capable of that in my stash.

On a good day and I mean ZERO wind and no coffee, I can hold 3 shot groups at 600 within 4 inches with my Shilen barreled Savage 8 twist 22-250 shooting 75 A-Max's.
It's a lot of effort on my part before my vision goes to crap and the target washes out  :bash: Old eyes and getting worse everyday :dunno: But it's still fun.

It's fun to watch guys shoot that claim they have killed deer and elk at over 500 yards with their 30-30 and then watch them shoot at the 600 yard steel.

Basically all they are doing is shooting AT the 600 yard steel.  :chuckle:...................... Oh, uh ya missed by 6 feet right and 10 feet low, but that's pretty close! Now adjust a little for the wind and aim for the moon!!  :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2012, 08:09:44 AM
I agree, that's darn good shooting. Congrats on being able to do that... :tup:

Most shooters are not capable of doing that even if their rifle is. :twocents:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2012, 08:11:44 AM
There's a few guys on this forum who need to learn some manners or they will have a short life here.  :twocents:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Wazukie on February 15, 2012, 08:19:18 AM
Manners, whats that? :dunno: Not to many in society have manners these days.  I wish I could own me own of them rifles.  All I have is my .243AI and its taken me 47 years to come close to shooting like that.  All I can say is that they are good groups, but, like I said before, there is always room to improve.  Jus keep shooting the thing and have fun.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: deerslyr on February 15, 2012, 08:50:33 AM
There's a few guys on this forum who need to learn some manners or they will have a short life here.  :twocents:

I really hope that happens sooner than later, its gets irritating that I cant even open up a post on guns and awesome shot groups before some *censored*s ruin it.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: halflife65 on February 15, 2012, 09:33:04 AM
Jim,  targets look great along with the guns as well. I am irritated to see how some can view your posts as gloating or something!  Its just good to see that most just see  this thread is simply sharing your excitement. I will be checking your link for the shoot though as I have always wanted to go to one of these.
:yeah:  Good shooting and, I repeat, really nice rifles.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: sirmissalot on February 15, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Holy moly.  Got some "shooters" here I guess.    I'd be pretty stoked to see that at 600 yards.

 :yeah:

Too bad a couple bad apples have got to turn it into a pissing match... pretty ridiculous.

I just wish I could find a range to shoot out to 600 yards  :drool:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 15, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
I would like to apologize for my outburst. It just really hits me the wrong way when someone posts pics of something that they think is neat and get nothing but flack and made fun of. Constructive criticism is one thing. TRYING to bring someone down is unacceptable! :twocents: take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Wazukie on February 15, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
make the drive.....any rifle, any sight, 500 yards, open to the public, cost is like 10 bucks or so.....click the link and check the calendar....

http://www.seattlerifle.org/



Oh man, that would be fun, but that's like an 8 hour drive for me :(
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Dan-o on February 15, 2012, 05:27:46 PM
Jim,

We've never met, but those are some seriously cool rifles, and I appreciate your posts.

I will never own a rifle that cool (being a single income father of 5 with 3 still in private school will do that to you) but I sure enjoy seeing someone else get one and play with it and share in the fun.

Ignore the couple of idiots that just can't be decent and keep sharing.   It's really cool stuff for some of us that don't get to actually participate.

Dan
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: iusmc2002 on February 15, 2012, 08:47:38 PM
I have never hunted with a 338; Jim, do you hunt with yours, and if you  how often does a animal hit by one of those massive rounds get back up? :tup:

http://www.gizmag.com/worlds-longest-sniper-kill-247km/14992/

Ask this guy how an animal reacts to one of those massive rounds   :chuckle: 
They don't get up from what I've heard  :tup:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: mountainman on February 19, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
Heres my Rbros .338 edge in its element! And, not to start a pissing match, will, on a good day nudge 4" at 1000. They just shoot that good!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: iusmc2002 on February 19, 2012, 04:24:32 PM
You carried that SOB up there?!!  You need to be put back in your straitjacket  :chuckle:

(Nice rifle though!)
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: mountainman on February 19, 2012, 04:29:28 PM
LOL! Your right! But this way I work harder to lose that 10-20#'s before high buck opens now!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: westside Elkhunter on February 19, 2012, 04:31:31 PM
Sweet looking rifles and cool groups you guys are shooting.  :) . I see some guys shooting the 338 lapua and other guys 338 edge is there much difference between the two? Maybe some day own one  after the kids are out of the house.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 19, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
Sweet looking rifles and cool groups you guys are shooting.  :) . I see some guys shooting the 338 lapua and other guys 338 edge is there much difference between the two? Maybe some day own one  after the kids are out of the house.
With the same barrel make and length, there isn't any real performance difference.
 If I were to have another one built, it would still be a 338Lapua even though Travis and Jesse both shoot the 338 Edge and their rifles will shoot almost as good as mine...
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: rbros on February 19, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
Sorry Jim....hate to disagree.  Our Edges shoot faster and better if the nut behind them is good that day.  They are 2 rifles that will never leave our hands.  Both have shot 3" groups at 1k multiple times, and a couple 14" groups at 2K.  No way they will ever have new owners!

In the same length barrels, the Edge will outrun the Lapua.  More case capacity.  In a 26" barrel, the Lapua and 338 RUM will be almost the same.  In 30" barrels, the Edge will run 75-100fps faster than the Lapua. 
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 19, 2012, 07:52:24 PM
Sorry Jim....hate to disagree.  Our Edges shoot faster and better if the nut behind them is good that day.  They are 2 rifles that will never leave our hands.  Both have shot 3" groups at 1k multiple times, and a couple 14" groups at 2K.  No way they will ever have new owners!

In the same length barrels, the Edge will outrun the Lapua.  More case capacity.  In a 26" barrel, the Lapua and 338 RUM will be almost the same.  In 30" barrels, the Edge will run 75-100fps faster than the Lapua. 

Just giving you sh!t about my rifle out shooting yours.
I will still say that the 338L can stay with the 338E as the L is set up to run higher pressure than the RUM cases among other things.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
Dam sweet rifles and good shooting!!!

Hey Rbros... didn't Carlock come out with an edge improved or something like that? Is it any better? You guys mess with it?

I hope to have somethign like that someday... some....day.....
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: rbros on February 19, 2012, 08:26:09 PM
Shawn did come out with a new design.  It allows use of more powder, thus more velocity.  He is getting 3020ish in a 32" barrel.  I went up a grain with mine today and hit 2990 with a 31" barrel and no pressure.  We were running faster than his standard version though.  Using his standard load, our rifles and all the ones I have built run 2880-2900 vs 2820 that Shawn gets.  My normal load is 2950 with the 300 gr Berger.  It shoots 1/4 moa, and the extra 50fps doesn't gain much.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: JohnVH on February 19, 2012, 08:47:20 PM
I need to shoot one of those things someday, just to feel the hype. Curious what its like  :tup:
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Hornseeker on February 20, 2012, 08:48:14 AM
Cool...thanks for the info. INcredible round...that and the Lapua. I will have to be happy with my lowly win mag for now!!
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Killmore on February 20, 2012, 09:02:53 AM
Jim, when you get ready to unload the rifle call me. The bolt is NOT on the wrong side.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 20, 2012, 09:53:42 PM
Well done Mountainman. :tup: That's the way to lauch .338 bullets.
Title: Re: 338 Lapua rifle and groups
Post by: DoubleJ on February 21, 2012, 06:53:05 AM
Color me super impressed.  Those 600 yd groups look like my 100 yd groups, from a led sled, with no wind, on a nice 68 degree sunny day, while completely sober, with my Savage.
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