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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Cougeyes on February 25, 2012, 08:48:18 AM

Title: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: Cougeyes on February 25, 2012, 08:48:18 AM: Does anyone know if you WDFW closes the gate on Maloy road which would take a person to the top of cleman mountain? This area is outside the winter elk closure, but was curious if they close these green dot roads as well? If anyone is familiar with this, i see on the map a road called Jones Rd too which appears to have a non-paved road connecting it that would allow you to bypass the winter elk closure to the west. Anyone know if this road is driveable.
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Post by: coachcw on February 25, 2012, 09:16:51 AM: in mid december it was closed , there was no way to get on clemans from the north side , you have to go up 1701 from the south.
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Post by: rtspring on February 25, 2012, 09:24:59 AM: 1701, not sure what the snow is like up there. Anyone know??
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Post by: boneaddict on February 25, 2012, 09:32:58 AM: I don't think thats outside of the closure for motorized access. You can hike it I suppose. Observatory, and I believe that area, I know Bald Mtn access is, closed to motorized vehicle access.
Title: Re: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: Cougeyes on February 25, 2012, 09:59:12 AM: I just picked up this year's Oak creek and wenas map from WDFW. The map doesn't show those roads as being within the closure area, but it does say on there that green dot roads may be subject to seasonal closures that dont necessarily pertain to the protection of wintering game animals, but for the sole purpose of protection to the roads themselves. THe 1701 road looks like a long ways around. I'll just hike up from the bottom. Thanks for the info guys.
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Post by: boneaddict on February 25, 2012, 10:28:03 AM: Alot of people used to park at the forks (where the pavement ends and splits to Eburg pass) and offload their wheelers and sleds. I really am not sure where they go with them from there now or even if they still do that. I suck at road names by the way. Coach can attest to that, but.......alot of that area is closed to motorized vehicle access and doesn't open up until Turkey season.....might even be May 1st, not sure on that either. One of my biggest gripes is the observatory. REALLY sick of wheelers and jeeps going around. They tore the hell out of the hill by the gate. I turned a member here in last year and never heard back. I had hiked 2.5+ in with my kids and here comes this jeep. Turned out he was a member here and lived in Eburg. Now that they are doing emphasis patrols, I hope they nail those guys. I felt like placing a photo of his rig, and a note saying I know who you are on his rig in his driveway. :chuckle: I can relate to all those spouting backcountry tuneups as I was pretty pissed. No I don't want this to turn into a bashing thread, just added some story to the post. :)
Title: Re: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: ribka on February 25, 2012, 11:16:23 AM: Quote from: Cougeyes on February 25, 2012, 09:59:12 AM
I just picked up this year's Oak creek and wenas map from WDFW. The map doesn't show those roads as being within the closure area, but it does say on there that green dot roads may be subject to seasonal closures that dont necessarily pertain to the protection of wintering game animals, but for the sole purpose of protection to the roads themselves. THe 1701 road looks like a long ways around. I'll just hike up from the bottom. Thanks for the info guys.

All the roads in the Wenas ( Malloy, Audubon, Obervatory) open May 1 st. A lot people access via back roads or going around gates with ATV's. More patrols this year and people are being turned-in when observed. I already called in quite a few this year. There are closure signs everywhere but people choose to ignore them
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Post by: Cougeyes on February 25, 2012, 11:36:57 AM: Thanks for the info. I will make sure to turn anyone in driving up there.
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Post by: colockumelk on February 25, 2012, 01:34:56 PM: The amount of damage the jeeps and ATVs do up there in the winter and spring is ridiculous. My good buddy is in an Engineer unit in the WA NG and has more than once spent their entire 2week annual training fixing roads damaged from jeeps and ATVs.

I think the state has very valid reasons for closing roads since I'm sure they get sick of spending very valuable tax payers dollars on damaged roads. For the state its alot cheaper and easier to just put in a gate. Which seems to be the trend.
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Post by: gasman on February 25, 2012, 04:10:43 PM: Not trying to bash anyone, but I heard the NA have keys to the gates and have been up there taking deer and elk the last month or so....
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Post by: trapper1 on February 25, 2012, 04:43:03 PM: That would really piss me off if true. I hope its rumor. Closure is closure. PERIOD
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Post by: Hilltop123 on February 25, 2012, 04:50:17 PM: The lock on Observitory was cut and the one on Audobon was torched.....who needs keys
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Post by: PlateauNDN on February 25, 2012, 06:18:06 PM: Sorry but I'm calling BS on keys to the gates by Natives. Don't need keys when its possible to go around the long way on different roads that are open. I dont partake it that because I believe animals should not be bothered when they're trying to survive. I'm not stirring the pot just pointing out a fact and I haven't heard anybody up in that area recently but that's not to say nobodies up there. I'm more curious if they're Yakama or not.
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Post by: gasman on February 25, 2012, 07:10:24 PM: Well from what I heard, the two land owners along Maloy rd were seeing trucks with elk and deer coming down the road in front of there homes., and the gate is closed due to one of the land owners owns the lands between the first gate and the DNR gate.

Now I did hear this a few weeks ago, but I don't know if they are still hunting the area.

I my self did not talk with the land owners, know the person who did, and I believe him......

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the land to the gates is private and I understand they are not allowed to hunt on private property, so if thats the case, where did the animals come from :dunno:
Title: Re: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 25, 2012, 07:22:02 PM: I didn't say they weren't hunting in the area just saying there are other roads into that area besides the ones that are closed. It is trespassing if they were hunting on private property. Again I'm more concerned if they were Yakama or not.
Title: Re: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: gasman on February 25, 2012, 07:25:47 PM: Quote from: PlateauNDN on February 25, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
I didn't say they weren't hunting in the area just saying there are other roads into that area besides the ones that are closed. It is trespassing if they were hunting on private property. Again I'm more concerned if they were Yakama or not.

There is no way to know were they are from. There trucks were seen leaving the end of maloy rd area with animals in the back of there trucks. For what I understand, there were some great bull elk in the back of there truck, and there were different trucks seen on more then one occasion.
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Post by: coachcw on February 25, 2012, 07:59:24 PM: Thats what I call game management !!!!
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Post by: sled on February 25, 2012, 08:01:33 PM: Hmmmm... sounds like native poachers?, and trespassers?
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Post by: rtspring on February 25, 2012, 08:11:17 PM: Shooting WINTERING animals of anyvkind should be POACHING. Man we sure need to look at the laws in this state.
This is absolutely complete crap. We fight all year long to preserve these animals, then winter comes and people drive up there and shoot them? WTF? I have had about enough of hearing this crap...

It ain't fair one *censored* bit. I don't care what anyone thinks. Its plain WRONG
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on February 28, 2012, 07:44:04 PM: I have hunted that area for years. I know that the rancher, triple B ranch has keys for the yellow gate at the fence line and the roads open up April 1. Sounds like that's why there aren't any elk in there anymore pretty much like the Colockum area.
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Post by: firefighter49 on May 19, 2012, 10:52:51 AM: Closure on Maloy Rd., update. Any and all that use this area should be up in arms and need to get involved trying to get the state to get the essment signed again with NEW land owner to reopen the Maloy road.
Yes, the Bass ranch sold and the new guy has closed the gate, also Coffen's have closed his land to the gate. The DNR is working on the essment thru the land, but due to some threats made on the new land owner the deal with DNR is off the table.
Some Rocky Mountain Elk members are organizing to try to put pressure on to get the gates open by this falls hunting season.
So, if you are interested in getting involved with our group please contact me, i will post updates as I get them. firefighter49
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Post by: jp80cj5 on October 08, 2013, 10:55:27 AM: Any new news on what's going on with getting Malay rd opened back up or a alternative option to get people with trailers and motorhomes back to BBQ Flats area?
Title: Re: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: jp80cj5 on October 08, 2013, 10:57:53 AM: Maloy
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on October 09, 2013, 08:59:29 PM: Closed and I believe it's not going to reopen. 1701 should be open long windy road just don't get caught up there with a trailer when the snow starts to fly, heard it was a mess last elk season. The Jones rd should be open aswell but gets pretty rough up there for a trailer.
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Post by: BigCutty3 on October 10, 2013, 06:22:29 AM: Still logging, still burning, still loaded with guys on atv's, motorcycles, jeeps, you name it. I had a cow tag for this area and after three days i coudnt deal with it, just wasnt fun. I had never hunted eastside for elk, and definitely wont put in for this hunt again. It amazed me how many camps were set up right in the middle of where elk had been living 3 days before the season started. Oh well live and learn. Oh and the best part, you drive down a road that hasnt been maintained in over a decade and you see the "Discover Pass Required" sign, what a joke.
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Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2013, 07:28:58 AM: :yeah: this wouldve been a good hunt but the burnouts just ruined it.
Title: Re: Wenas/Cleman mountain road closure?
Post by: gunrinwa on October 10, 2013, 01:50:16 PM: Quote from: kevinlisa06 on October 09, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
Closed and I believe it's not going to reopen. 1701 should be open long windy road just don't get caught up there with a trailer when the snow starts to fly, heard it was a mess last elk season. The Jones rd should be open aswell but gets pretty rough up there for a trailer.

Yeah I was there on 1701 early Friday morning before the opener. Stuck behind and watching a bunch of knuckleheads with bald tires, 2WD and no chains trying to get up 1701, pulling all manner of trailers and such. Comical, but gave me time to chain up. They should close a lot more side roads during the Season. Its Elk season not 4x4 hillbilly deluxe mud boggin season. :chuckle:
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Post by: turkeydancer on October 10, 2013, 02:37:21 PM: I heard that work to reopen Rock Creek (1702) was stopped because of no inspectors due to the government shutdown. Anyone know if that's true. Originally I believe it was supposed to open before modern season.
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Post by: SniperDanWA on October 10, 2013, 07:54:28 PM: Quote from: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2013, 07:28:58 AM
:yeah: this wouldve been a good hunt but the burnouts just ruined it.

I hear you Plat. Did your boy get a shot? Mine didn't.
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Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2013, 08:04:09 PM: He got a deer after spending all day walking and chasing bugling bulls in amother area. Just couldn't get close enough to close the deal and the weather wasn't helping. Ended on a high note and it was worth it in the end. :tup:
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Post by: SniperDanWA on October 10, 2013, 09:10:24 PM: Congrats to him. We walked a ton, talked with a really nice guy from Yakima area. He just had chased a cow, but she got away. Heard about 20 shots on opening, but saw nothing hanging on poles. It was weird. The smoke and burning sure didn't help. I'm back on the 24th.