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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: 400out on February 25, 2012, 08:53:46 PM

Title: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: 400out on February 25, 2012, 08:53:46 PM: In these two videos with Bud Latterner, I have watched them before but I really got steamed when I seen then this time :bash: :bash: Some one needs to take his gun from him!
http://www.monstermuleys.com/videostories/site.pl?page=bud2007mm
http://www.monstermuleys.com/videostories/site.pl?page=bud2008mm
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2012, 09:22:13 PM: A lot of guys are not the very best shot, that is just part of hunting, I don't see anything I think is that wrong. I do know these guys and they pass a lot of smaller bucks trying to find good ones.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: mallard79 on February 25, 2012, 09:39:52 PM: I can see both sides......I dont think tracking an animal for a half mile is nearly enough before giving up. He shot AND wounded the animal.... he should put in the effort to find it....NOT someone else.....it is great that he had an ethical person with him that was willing to put in the effort to finish the hunt. The fact that they pass on smaller and younger deer is good as it allows the deer a chance to grow bigger for next year.....at the same time he should probly put in a little more time at the range...the animal deserves it. :twocents:
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: bobcat on February 25, 2012, 09:52:03 PM: It may not be that he needs more time at the range, it could just be the excitement of the moment, and maybe even buck fever? Shooting at a live animal is a whole lot different than shooting paper from a bench rest. I know a lot of the shots I've made in the field haven't been nearly as perfect as I'd like them to be, but at least for me I very rarely get an opportunity in which I can take all the time in the world and get a perfect rest. So I'm not going to make a judgement on someone just from a couple of videos.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2012, 09:57:21 PM: They hunted with me several years ago and he was older then. I think he probably got tired, that happens. The boys covered for him and they killed the deer, that's what counts. :tup:
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: 400out on February 25, 2012, 10:11:07 PM: I just saw the wounded deer and then giving up on them. the second video he went after another deer even after knowing he hit the first one :dunno:
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2012, 12:12:09 AM: Quote from: 400out on February 25, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
I just saw the wounded deer and then giving up on them. the second video he went after another deer even after knowing he hit the first one :dunno:

I missed that part....
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: Mark B on February 26, 2012, 12:15:33 AM: Did I miss something in the second video??? He harvested the same deer he shot in the first minute of the video Correct?
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: couesbitten on February 26, 2012, 08:08:03 AM: Just watched both videos, I will admit that a half mile isn't enough, but dad had the boy(s) with him to do the extended tracking, so they got it done. Didn't hear him say anything about going after a different deer. Perhaps dad needs to spend a bit more time at the range.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: coachcw on February 26, 2012, 09:26:11 AM: I think that they gave it more time than alot of guys would .
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 26, 2012, 06:53:27 PM: Not impressed with someone who was willing to give up after trailing wounded game 1/2 mile.

Anybody know what state this was in?
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2012, 06:54:54 PM: Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 26, 2012, 06:53:27 PM
Not impressed with someone who was willing to give up after trailing wounded game 1/2 mile.

Anybody know what state this was in?

I think Utah.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: couesbitten on February 26, 2012, 07:19:39 PM: :yeah:
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 26, 2012, 07:24:53 PM: If it's Utah, then they are probably safe from being prosecuted for admitting to using radios in the aid of taking game. I believe it's legal there.

But they won't be able to enter that animal into the Boone and Crockett record books. They have fair chase rules against that.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: got2hunt on February 26, 2012, 10:56:46 PM: sounds like he needs to use a different bullet or caliber cause he hit it good but just looks like the bullet expanded before it did the real damage
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2012, 04:18:54 AM: I know several who can punch hole on hole target shooting,but hunting is another story
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: Mark B on February 27, 2012, 04:32:35 PM: I completely agree with that statement.. :yeah:
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: couesbitten on February 27, 2012, 05:49:42 PM: Probably shooting Nosler Ballistic Tips
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: ghosthunter on February 27, 2012, 06:26:50 PM: Ya I can drill paper all day long but when I get a animal in the cross hairs I have to tell myself to settle down.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: Bushcraft on February 27, 2012, 08:00:55 PM: "We trailed him for a half mile. There was just a drop of blood here and a drop of blood there. He's taking us farther and farther in. We are not going to find him."

This guy gave up tracking him after 1/2 a mile (which was probably closer to 500 yards) he KNEW he hit him in the shoulder and decided to give up when there was clearly evidence of blood in the snow???

Good grief.

I can see losing the sign after a snowfall as mentioned in the first video. But that second video is just a flat out embarrassment.

Kudos to Brian for sticking with it, but Bud's name might as well be Mud in my book.

Allen
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: sakoshooter on February 29, 2012, 12:08:38 AM: After watching both videos, I'm thoroughly unimpressed.
First video: Shoot and wound a big buck, then give up on a blood trail??? Then go hunt for another buck???
Second video: Shoot and wound a big buck, then give up on a blood trail???
What ever happened to ethics?

On another note: These guys need to switch ammo to something more modern that will actually work.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: jeepguy on February 29, 2012, 04:04:00 PM: how much this happens i dont wanna know .i dont think he taking his time for a good rest his caliber maybe not enough maybe he is shooting to far also is he useing store bought ammo? we use handloads which when done correctley give you a better all around shell that knocks the stuff'n out of them but you still have to aim . he maybe shooting too far and the animal is probley moving.
Title: Re: Do you see a pattern?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 01, 2012, 09:30:03 AM: Quote from: jeepguy on February 29, 2012, 04:04:00 PM
how much this happens i dont wanna know .i dont think he taking his time for a good rest his caliber maybe not enough maybe he is shooting to far also is he useing store bought ammo? we use handloads which when done correctley give you a better all around shell that knocks the stuff'n out of them but you still have to aim . he maybe shooting too far and the animal is probley moving.

Except he seemed to have made a decent hit. I'm more inclined to think he was using balistic tips or some other bullet that opened up too much and didn't penetrate.

Ballistic tips tend to do two things. They either hit bone and blow up thus not getting good penetration, ot they leave a humongous exit hole and damage way more meat than I care for.

I borrowed a gun from a friend out commercial fishing near Kodiak and he used ballistic tips. I went for a little deer hunt on Afognak while we were anchored up one afternoon. Shot a little spike at about 25 yards and I was appalled at the damage that bullet did to my deer. I could have stuck my foot in the exit hole. and the bloodshot ruined that whole shoulder and the ribcage an that side of the deer. Never hunted with them again. But I have two friends who use them and I see similar damage on animals they take. They also seem to wound animals that require extensive tracking to recover or even lose hit animals, all at a higher rate than what seems normal to me.