Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 02, 2012, 01:25:33 PM
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Post by: bigtex on March 02, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
I'm wondering for those that say they aren't going to buy them are you just not going to hunt or recreate where they are required or are you going to take the ticket if you get caught. If so, are you going to take one ticket and then buy a pass or stop using areas that they are required or risk getting a second, third, fourth, ticket?
:yeah:
Post by: billythekidrock on March 02, 2012, 02:21:59 PM
Post by: 400out on March 02, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on March 02, 2012, 02:29:18 PM
year
Post by: bigtex on March 02, 2012, 02:30:42 PM
I bought mine last year and will do so this year, but I really have to wonder why if F&W won't write tickets for those that don't have it.
WDFW and Parks have been writting tickets. DNR did an "education" period, not sure if they are still doing it. But I know a couple months in WDFW and Parks had already written a couple thousand tickets.
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on March 02, 2012, 02:33:40 PM
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Post by: billythekidrock on March 02, 2012, 02:39:54 PM
I bought mine last year and will do so this year, but I really have to wonder why if F&W won't write tickets for those that don't have it.
WDFW and Parks have been writting tickets. DNR did an "education" period, not sure if they are still doing it. But I know a couple months in WDFW and Parks had already written a couple thousand tickets.
I wish that was the case where I hunt.
During a license check in the Capitol Forest in October I was told by WDFW Enforcement that they were not writing tickets, but instead, using "non-compliance" as a way to do more than a license check.
Now I watched enforcement check a rig up the road before I got to him. After checking me, I got out and bs'd a bit with him. When a third rig rolled up without the DP he had both occupants get out and he searched the rig. He did not search the two rigs that had the pass, but he also did not ticket the third rig for not having the pass.
Basically the same thing happened in the Winston unit this September and in January on state land.
Post by: elkslayer069 on March 02, 2012, 07:09:31 PM
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Post by: Dick in the Dirt on March 02, 2012, 07:35:06 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 02, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
I bought one. Where I elk hunt, I am camped out there for a bit...it was highly likely to have a warden stop in...so ya. Im not saying I liked it. I think its crap.
:yeah: except deer instead of elk...
Post by: washingtonwillie88 on March 02, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
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I am done paying for mismanagement of public lands.Vote with your wallet,that's all they listen to.:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Machias on March 02, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
I haven't bought one (didn't vote in the poll) but probably will for reasons similar to Jakalope's. I'm wondering for those that say they aren't going to buy them are you just not going to hunt or recreate where they are required or are you going to take the ticket if you get caught. If so, are you going to take one ticket and then buy a pass or stop using areas that they are required or risk getting a second, third, fourth, ticket?
Will only hunt areas that do not require it or Idaho....mostly Idaho.
Post by: Jason on March 02, 2012, 10:14:58 PM
I figure the price of the discover pass is well worth not being hassled, and I can concentrate
on hunting and not running from green signs, so I'll buy it this year also.
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2012, 10:19:30 PM
:twocents:
I too will buy one again this year.
Post by: Special T on March 02, 2012, 10:49:11 PM
Post by: summit creek on March 03, 2012, 09:19:32 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on March 03, 2012, 10:23:24 AM
Post by: Hunterman on March 03, 2012, 10:34:28 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Lcl 66 Tinner on March 03, 2012, 10:25:04 PM
Post by: coachcw on March 03, 2012, 10:28:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
I bought one last year also and almost all the other rigs I saw didnt have one. There are only a couple of ways into where I hunt and there isnt any signs posted anywhere and its state land. So my question is: If it not posted do I need a pass or not?.................... To answer your question, If I need to buy the pass to hunt where I do then I will altough I agree with most that I already paid for my access rights.
I believe it's written in the law that lands requiring the Discover pass must be posted with signs.
No signs, no Discover pass needed.
Post by: summit creek on March 03, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Sure didn't... Won't be this year either.... Anybody know if you get the ticket for not having one if it goes against your hunting license??? Reason I ask is I don't plan on paying it as well....its geting to the point were lets just buy a big game license so ur legal in the woods and go from there cause not a penny goes toward game big or small period
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Its bs ! that being said I baught three last year one for every rig ( non transferible 0
Just sell some cars, Coach...it'd be cheaper all around.
I'll give you a couple hundred bucks for that Bronco. That'll take a load off for ya.
Post by: sirmissalot on March 04, 2012, 01:00:25 AM
Anyone else notice the $5 fee for Washington state parks added to your license tabs? It's not required but it's added to your total... So at a quick glance you would pay it without realizing it. They are getting pretty slick...
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Post by: Klyne3 on March 04, 2012, 08:39:33 PM
However my other half just went and renewed tabs on the atvs. The lady at the licensing office said that they were going to be making the Discover Pass cover 2 vehicle but will be raising the cost of our atv tags $10.00 each. Don't if or when this will take effect, just passing along info we were told.
Screwed if I do or don't.
Post by: washelkhunter on March 07, 2012, 12:13:03 AM
Post by: The Weazle on March 08, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Jackalope, I think its good you buy a pass. If you use the state parks and enjoy doing so, buy one and feel proud. I mean that with all sincerity. Most people's problem is that they don't use the park but that is where most of the funds go. This is a PARKS pass that is required other places. That is why i refuse to buy one... My mother LOVES the parks and bought 2 last year. She loves taking her grandchildren to the parks... Fees are appropriate to pay for services provided and used. :twocents:
I couldnt have said it better myself...
My question is: I dont use DNR lands. I dont use WDFW lands, but I use a state park to launch my boat. I have to buy the Natural Investment pass to launch it. That pass is $75 or $5 a day. Do I also need the discover pass to park in the state park I am using to launch the boat? Or can I now launch the boat with the $30 discover pass and forego the Natural Investment pass? No one can answer that question, not even the WDFW, State, or any other agency I have called...There are so many passes, and so many rules, no one knows what they are or arent good for anymore. I didnt buy one last year, and dont PLAN on buying it this year, but the $70 difference in having one or not is a half tank of diesel...
Post by: fireweed on March 08, 2012, 03:24:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 08, 2012, 03:31:00 PM
There's an area I occasionally hunt where the DNR gate is 1/2 mile or so into the DNR ownership. About another 1/2 mile past the gate, is a sign saying Discover pass is required. So I assume I'm ok by parking at the gate and walking in, although I am parked on DNR land, and not a county right of way.
But now, do I need the pass because I am parked on DNR land? Kinda sounds like it to me. If so, that's one spot I won't be hunting anymore.
Post by: bigtex on March 08, 2012, 03:47:20 PM
Is the DNR going to guarantee access to their timberland now? What about the thousands upong thousands of acres of landlocked public land?
Remember, DNR is not there to provide recreational access. DNR is there to bring in revenue to the state, mainly through timber/logging, but also through things such as agricultural leases and shellfish leases.
From a management standpoint landlocked DNR land is a-ok, because again their #1 goal is NOT access, but revenue. On the other hand, Parks and WDFW for the most part are there to provide recreational access, so landlocked land in their agency is not desired. This is very similar to BLM. They have quite a bit landlocked land, especially in NE WA. They have been doing land sales and swaps (some with DNR) so they could purchase lands that can provide recreational access.
Post by: buckfvr on March 08, 2012, 04:07:01 PM
Let him have both barrels.....
Post by: billythekidrock on March 08, 2012, 04:10:07 PM
Subject: Legislative Report to Staff - The Discover Pass Bill Is approved by the Legislature
Dear Colleagues,
While the Legislature has not completed its work, and a Special Session is all but certain, I want to inform you of something likely to affect all of us at State Parks. The Discover Pass bill that we have been actively working on for months has passed the legislature. It now sits on the Governor’s desk for her signature. She has 20 days in which to sign the bill, veto it, or partially veto it. So the bill is not yet law.
There were a few changes in the final bill from the Senate and House versions I had reported to you on Monday, so I want you to know exactly what passed. If the governor signs the bill with no partial veto, it will take effect immediately upon her signature, and contain the following provisions:
1. 2-vehicle transferability for $30 per year; one-vehicle use of the pass at a time. There would be spaces on the pass to write in two vehicle license numbers, and only those vehicles could use that pass. But they could not bring two vehicles into the park at the same time with one pass. This would take place immediately and retroactively for all folks who have already purchased a pass. No refunds for those who have already purchased two passes would be allowed.
2. Flexibility on when the Discover Pass activation starts (will make gifting easier). It will be up to the three agencies to agree on how to do activation for periods different from the sales date. It will take time to come up with specific policies and procedures, so until further notice, the activation time is still the date of sale. (Note that there is currently some time offset with DOL and other sales and that will continue.)
3. Expansion to all of DNR's uplands which would be subject to the pass requirement.
4. Broadening locations and methods of sale.
5. Provides as an option that the agencies may choose to offer a $50 fully transferable pass that is called a “Family Discover Pass.” The word “family” is a misnomer, in that the pass could be used by anyone, inside the same household or not. Again, it would only be for one vehicle at a time. Implementation of this provision is also not immediate. The three agencies need to come up with many policies and procedures, and agree to sales price, prior to implementation.
6. Special Events could, at the discretion of the agency, be exempt from the Discover Pass, if they pay other fees to state parks. (This is a complex implementation task for us, as we are balancing our public service and revenue objectives. The legislation gives us discretion, but our agency is still working the details.)
7. Expands the existing Opt-Out vehicle donation program to additional vehicles (like snowmobiles, mopeds, and ľ ton pick-up trucks.)
8. Contains an emergency clause to have it enforced immediately upon the governor’s signature.
Other elements that were part of earlier versions of the bill that did NOT get adopted include:
1. Expanding Disabled Veteran’s free access to WDFW and DNR lands.
2. Directing Hotel/Motel Tax receipts from State Parks lodging and camping to go back to State Parks.
3. Creating a 3-year temporary $10 RV license surcharge.
4. Wholesaling of the pass.
5. Eliminating requirement to get a Discover Pass if visitor already has a Sno-Park day pass. Thus, there is no change from the existing requirement for a Discover Pass on state recreation lands for those people holding a day Sno-Park permit.
It is also important to note that earlier this week, the legislature passed a bill that transfers Discover Pass citation fines to the joint agency Discover Pass account. State Parks receives 84% of these revenues. The fines have been going to counties for court administration. The bill sits on the governor’s desk for signature.
Implementation of the above Discover Pass reform is a big task. Our Operations staff will no doubt be working over the coming weeks and months with many of you to make the changes as smoothly as possible, if and when the governor signs the legislation.
State Parks budget reductions have not been part of the discussion this session. There are a couple of budget items still in legislative consideration that could benefit State Parks. So I will be sure to get back to you soon after completion of the legislators’ work, or in about 2 weeks, whichever comes first.
Take care,
Daniel
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 08, 2012, 04:16:51 PM
Remember, DNR is not there to provide recreational access. DNR is there to bring in revenue to the state, mainly through timber/logging, but also through things such as agricultural leases and shellfish leases.
Please define how DNR is to ensure a "rich quality of life" and what that entails. DNR is certainly there to add to the recreational smorgasboard of Washington.
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OUR MISSIONhttp://www.dnr.wa.gov/AboutDNR/Mission/Pages/Home.aspx
In partnership with citizens and governments, the Washington State DNR provides innovative leadership and expertise to ensure environmental protection, public safety, perpetual funding for schools and communities, and a rich quality of life.
Contrast with WDFW Mission statement:
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Our Missionhttp://wdfw.wa.gov/about/mission_goals.html
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
Post by: Curly on March 08, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Does this mean the signs are no longer required?
There's an area I occasionally hunt where the DNR gate is 1/2 mile or so into the DNR ownership. About another 1/2 mile past the gate, is a sign saying Discover pass is required. So I assume I'm ok by parking at the gate and walking in, although I am parked on DNR land, and not a county right of way.
But now, do I need the pass because I am parked on DNR land? Kinda sounds like it to me. If so, that's one spot I won't be hunting anymore.
I would think that signs are not going to be required anymore; with all DNR lands now requiring a Discover Pass to access the land, why would signs be necessary? They likely are not going to enforce needing a DP for those isolated DNR parcels, but you never know.......
Post by: bigtex on March 08, 2012, 04:39:38 PM
Remember, DNR is not there to provide recreational access. DNR is there to bring in revenue to the state, mainly through timber/logging, but also through things such as agricultural leases and shellfish leases.
Please define how DNR is to ensure a "rich quality of life" and what that entails. DNR is certainly there to add to the recreational smorgasboard of Washington.QuoteOUR MISSIONhttp://www.dnr.wa.gov/AboutDNR/Mission/Pages/Home.aspx
In partnership with citizens and governments, the Washington State DNR provides innovative leadership and expertise to ensure environmental protection, public safety, perpetual funding for schools and communities, and a rich quality of life.
Certainly DNR does add to the recreational opportunity, but that is not their mission, hence why the word "recreation" is not in their mission statement. Their main goal is $$$. The commercial activities on DNR lands funds schools, public safety and communites, thus enhancing a "rich quality of life".
If DNR was around to improve recreation then they would not continue to own/purchase landlocked land. The other agencies (Parks, WDFW, and the feds) have all strived towards getting rid of landlocked land because they don't really serve the public any good.....
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 08, 2012, 04:46:51 PM
Certainly DNR does add to the recreational opportunity, but that is not their mission, hence why the word "recreation" is not in their mission statement. Their main goal is $$$. The commercial activities on DNR lands funds schools, public safety and communites, thus enhancing a "rich quality of life".
Maybe, but the way it is written, it is mere speculation
Post by: Oldguy on March 14, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Post by: 724wd on March 14, 2012, 12:42:02 PM
Post by: Machias on March 14, 2012, 01:02:01 PM
they can go pound sand, p!$$ up a rope, bite me... every saying you can think of! I haven't and will NEVER buy another *censored*ed pass to use land that belongs to the state of washington! BITE ME! :bash: :bash: >:( >:(
Don't hold it in, come on tell us how you really feel. :)
Post by: Bigtine96 on March 14, 2012, 09:55:29 PM
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 25, 2012, 03:25:35 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
We puchased one because we went to the Yakima Sportsman's Show then went to all the nearby feeding stations which require the Discover Pass. I think the passes we get with our game licenses should cover it but it did not so we bought it to see the feeding stations.
Your vehicle use pass from the DFW that comes with your hunting license is all you need at the feeding stations.
Post by: Wazukie on March 25, 2012, 03:42:34 PM
Post by: manbearpig on March 25, 2012, 11:35:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2012, 11:52:38 PM
Even if you get a ticket once every 3 years it is still cheaper to not buy the pass for those 3 years. Odds are I'll be money ahead by the end of 2013. :twocents:
That would depend on whether you get the $100 ticket, or the $200 ticket.
Post by: manbearpig on March 25, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Post by: The Weazle on March 27, 2012, 09:50:33 AM
Even if you get a ticket once every 3 years it is still cheaper to not buy the pass for those 3 years. Odds are I'll be money ahead by the end of 2013. :twocents:
That would depend on whether you get the $100 ticket, or the $200 ticket.
Huh...3 years of passes =$90
One ticket is at least $100
you are -$10, how are you money ahead? is my math wrong?