Post by: timberghost72 on March 19, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
Canon 10-22
Canon 17-55 f2.8 is
Canon 24-105 f4
And eventually a 70-200
Sigma 17-50 f2.8
Tamron 17-50 f2.8
These 2 cuz they are cheaper. Thoughts on these?
Suggestions on which way to go? I am leaning towards the Canon 17-55 for the low light and indoor capabilities but wish it had more zoom. I figure i can get the 10-22 later for landscape.
Post by: JohnVH on March 19, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
Post by: quadrafire on March 19, 2012, 12:28:41 PM
In fact the 70-200 has hardly been off my camera. I have the 7D. More features than I know what to do with. I think you are doing the right thing by getting the cheaper body and putting the $ towards glass. (wish I would have)
I haven't used the others that you posted, but have heard lots of good things about the 17-55 and the 10-22. I'm sure others more experienced will chime in.
Post by: timberghost72 on March 19, 2012, 01:31:34 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
The 70-200mm is a nice flexable lens, if you plan on using it indoors then I would suggest the 2.8 over the f4. If you are going to use it outdoors then the f4 will likely be all your going to need, you would probably not be shooting wide open, f2.8, on critters outdoors anyway. Couple it with a Canon 1.4x for a little more reach and you have some added flexability and only lose one stop.
As far as the non Canon lenses, I'd avoid them if possible. Spend the money on quality pre owned Canon glass and you will not lose much money down the road if you ever decide to sell them to move up to the next lens. :twocents:
Pope did a great write-up on Canon lenses and posted it on huntfishnw, worth the time to go through it. http://www.huntfishnw.com/index.php?topic=908.msg8690#msg8690
Attached landscape images are with a Canon 17-55mm 2.8 IS, the critter shots are with a Canon 70-200mm f4 IS + Canon 1.4x on a Canon 20D
Click on the image name for best quality viewing.
Post by: timberghost72 on March 19, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Other than video why the 50D over the 60D?
I did read and print out that write up that pope did. Its great and where I got a lot of ideas from. I'm just limited on funds so just want to get the best setup I can at this point and build on that.
Also every time I see the 17-55 2.8 it says it fits the 40d, 30d, 20d and rebel series only. Is that right? Shouldn't it fit the 50D, 60D and 7D also. Maybe this is just a dumb question :dunno: :chuckle:
If anyone has suggestions on sites that you trust buying used that would help too. I do know about Adorama. Any others?
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
Isn't the 50D discontinued so I'd have to buy used? Maybe I read that wrong somewhere?
Also every time I see the 17-55 2.8 it says it fits the 40d, 30d, 20d and rebel series only. Is that right? Shouldn't it fit the 50D, 60D and 7D also. Maybe this is just a dumb question :dunno: :chuckle:
You are correct that its not being made, there are lots of great deals on 40D and 50D on Craigslist. Buying pre owned is the way to go if you check out the gear well. You save lots of money and lose little when selling again.
Its the full frame cameras that the 17-55mm is not compatible with, maybe you got it confused with the 5D?
Post by: timberghost72 on March 19, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
$1,099.00
$80.00 Instant Rebate
Add to Wish ListMfr. Part: 1242B002 SKU: CA1755U
Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Ultra Wide Angle Zoom Lens for for 40D, 30D, 20D, & Digital Rebel Cameras Only - U.S.A. Warranty
This is what I was talking about. Seen it in alot of ads. This one is from Adorama. I just thougt it strange is all.
Thought I had the camera figured out and not the lenses. Now I'm looking at the 50D and I think I am making this more difficult than nesessary :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2012, 10:02:36 PM
Post by: Smokepole on March 20, 2012, 05:27:19 AM
Another lens I have is the Tamron 28-70, and I have had great luck with it. I still don't have a wide angle lens, but will look for one in time.
Good luck.
Post by: timberghost72 on March 20, 2012, 05:30:14 PM
Just looking for real world experience so I can make a realistic choice. I was dead set on the 60D but now not sure. I did see a 50D with less than 500 clicks for $750.00 on CL today. A new 60D is $999.00 with $100.00 rebate right now.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Post by: huntnphool on March 20, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
The magnesium body will hold up better if you plan on packing your camera on hunting trips, this to me is a big factor.
The controls are going to be very similar, minus the video obviously.
High ISO noise likely wont be a factor since you will be shooting ISO 800 or less 95% of the time.
50D takes CF cards rather than SD cards, SD cards are typically slower.
The 60D RAW format will require a significantly newer software than the 50D to process, this could be an additional $200 or so when adding up the differences.
I'm not going to try to talk you out of buying a 60D but since you asked for advice I'm just throwing my :twocents: out there. You admit the difference between the two is likely $200-$300 more, if you are not concerned with video then I would put the extra money saved buying the 50D into one of the lenses. $300 will make a bigger impact into the glass on your shooting than on the camera, add the extra for newer post processing software and you are talking about a Canon 70-200 without IS and one with IS.
If I was just starting out I wouldn't even be looking for a 50D, I'd be going with a 40D and stepping up on the glass. :twocents:
Post by: Smokepole on March 20, 2012, 11:43:46 PM
The all of the cameras mentioned will take great shots, and if you're just starting out, you will have lots to learn no matter which body you end up with. You can take really crappy shots with the fanciest cameras. I remember when the rebel 350d came out and everyone was so hyped up about it. A dsl for under a thousand, and it took great pictures. I bought two of them. Still have one for a backup, and it still is a great little camera. It is the glass that makes the difference, though. You have to have really good lenses.
Canon keeps coming out with new stuff. Lots of guys want new camera bodies, and are suckers for the latest models that come out. It's still the glass that matters most.
Post by: huntnphool on March 29, 2012, 03:22:36 PM
Canon 17-55mm 2.8 IS http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pho/2928258387.html
Canon 70-200mm f4 IS http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pho/2929236924.html
Post by: timberghost72 on March 30, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
It looks like my plans have changed. Damn bills come out of nowhere. :bash:
I am going to keep my Rebel XS body for now and work on learning exposure more and just look for 1 good lens probably the 17-55 f2.8. That would be a good starter general lens. Hopefully I will be able to upgrade the body and work on the other lenses soon.
Post by: adam on March 30, 2012, 09:12:53 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
I am going to keep my Rebel XS body for now and work on learning exposure more and just look for 1 good lens probably the 17-55 f2.8. That would be a good starter general lens. Hopefully I will be able to upgrade the body and work on the other lenses soon.
Learn the relationship between ISO, aperture and shutter speed, and how they effect each other.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 04, 2012, 12:11:40 PM
Post by: timberghost72 on April 04, 2012, 08:01:23 PM
Get a 7D, 17-55, and call it good. :tup:
Got the 17-55 on the way. :IBCOOL: Now who want to let me "borrow" the 7D :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on April 04, 2012, 10:14:33 PM
Post by: CastleRocker on April 26, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
Hopefully someday I'll find that legendary money tree and be able to afford a great big white prime lens, but until then, I'm stuck with crop-frame sensors and teleconverters.