Post by: LeeMajors on March 22, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2012/wsr_12-04-098.pdf
(b) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow
measuring less than 20 inches in length or weighing less than 6
grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum arrow weight of 300
grains.
at 65# draw my arrow needs to be 390 grains? But at 73# it would need to be 438?
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2012, 08:51:37 AM
Post by: LeeMajors on March 22, 2012, 09:01:49 AM
The weight does include the broadhead
Yep, my arrows are 391 grains total with broadhead.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2012, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: LeeMajors on March 22, 2012, 10:48:18 AM
So, I was considering getting it re-strung, but it looks like that would require me to get new arrows. Lighted knocks and 125gr points still wouldn't cut it. New inserts sounds like a PITA, but I've never done that, so don't really know for sure.
I'm not a gorilla, but I do make it a point to hit the gym frequently. Does one arm dumbell rows with 90 to 110 lbs count as gorilla?
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 22, 2012, 11:28:20 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2012, 11:38:36 AM
Draw weight is a long story. Summary: My bow started at 73# draw and I'm brand new to things. When my buddy told me to wax my bow string, I figured I needed to rub enough to melt it in a bit. Apparently that's not the case and now the strings are stretched a bit and it pulls 65#. Gotta learn little things like this the hard way sometimes :rolleyes:
So, I was considering getting it re-strung, but it looks like that would require me to get new arrows. Lighted knocks and 125gr points still wouldn't cut it. New inserts sounds like a PITA, but I've never done that, so don't really know for sure.
I'm not a gorilla, but I do make it a point to hit the gym frequently. Does one arm dumbell rows with 90 to 110 lbs count as gorilla?
Yeah, you're a gorilla. Is 73lbs comfortable for you? If your bow is fairly modern, take it down to 65 or even 60. You can kill elk all day with 60 lbs and with guns like you have, you'll be able to hold it back forever, which is excellent. Otherwise, you have to change your equipment and weight down them arrows a bit.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Dang if he is a gorilla for shooting 73lbs. I hat to think what I am when I have been hunting with a 83lb bow :chuckle:
Maybe grape ape? :chuckle:
Post by: LeeMajors on March 22, 2012, 12:09:49 PM
Looks like I'll leave it at 65# until I feel like dumping money into new shafts. Hopefully lighted nocks will be legal and that will put me ~10 grains safely over the minimum.
I shoot a Destroyer 340 and even at 65# my arrows are still doing 301 fps.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 12:19:44 PM
Carps tip of the day: Always wrap your shaft :tup:
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 22, 2012, 12:33:29 PM
My arrow went thru both sides of my bull and stuck in the ground last year. That was at 60lbs. :twocents: I wouldn't get hung up on draw weight too much.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 22, 2012, 12:41:21 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
Post by: deleted BGS on March 22, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on March 22, 2012, 05:34:32 PM
So do the easton and beman arrows weigh what they say on them. For example; beman ics hunter 340. Does that weigh 340 grains? and the 9.3 gpi with that 340 arrow. that arrow is 9.3 grains per inch? Kinda confused
No, the "340" is the spine of the arrow. 340 means that when the place a given weight (dont remember the exact number) on the center of the shaft over a 28" span the arrow will bend .340 of a inch..
The 9.3 GPI is the weight of the shaft, so a 28" shaft will weigh 260.4 grains. (not counting nock, point, insert and fletching)
Post by: alwinearcher on March 22, 2012, 05:35:12 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 05:36:23 PM
Post by: deleted BGS on March 22, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on March 22, 2012, 05:40:30 PM
:chuckle: I try to keep things simple and not hurt my brain or theres :chuckle:
That was my simple version!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 05:44:26 PM
u jus moe edjamacted than I :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2012, 10:35:31 PM
I wish they would do a grains per pound draw, IF the arrow weighs less than a certain amount. It really can screw a guy that has short but strong arms.
When I shot a lighter arrow than now at 72 lb draw, I had to leave the dang things like three inches longer than necessary to get my weight up as I did not want to change broadhead weight. I'm now older and weaker as well as shoot heavier arrows so I don't have to worry about it now.
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2012, 12:47:48 AM
And it will never stop stupid people from acting stupid.
Post by: sakoshooter on March 23, 2012, 02:49:30 AM
Draw weight is a long story. Summary: My bow started at 73# draw and I'm brand new to things. When my buddy told me to wax my bow string, I figured I needed to rub enough to melt it in a bit. Apparently that's not the case and now the strings are stretched a bit and it pulls 65#. Gotta learn little things like this the hard way sometimes :rolleyes:
So, I was considering getting it re-strung, but it looks like that would require me to get new arrows. Lighted knocks and 125gr points still wouldn't cut it. New inserts sounds like a PITA, but I've never done that, so don't really know for sure.
I'm not a gorilla, but I do make it a point to hit the gym frequently. Does one arm dumbell rows with 90 to 110 lbs count as gorilla?
Waxing your string is important but it will not make it stretch. Your loss of draw weight is from another reason.
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2012, 04:04:25 AM
In professional sales training one of the first things you are taught is that consumers become happily involved in a product or service by becoming emotionally involved. In archery that means "speed, speed and speed". It is only after becoming emotionally involved that we as consumers begin to rationalize our emotional decision with logic.
Bow manufacturing has become big business. And the most successful of these companies know what their end customers emotional triggers are. As a result all most all of them stock their bows with "Fast" strings rather than "Stable" strings. 8125 and similar strings are fast, durable and economically attractive. Though it lacks the stability to maintain tune and ultimately poundage over time.
Even though they are always in a state of creep and thus unstable as compared to 452X or Xcel. Sitting in a cool archery Pro Shop the creep is minimal. Put them in a truck on a sunny day or out in the field when the mercury is pushing 80 degrees everything changes. Even at 66# you will see some creep until the "Life" has completely crept out of it. My advise to anyone purchasing a new bow is to find out what material the stock string is being made of. If it is 8125 or similar upgrade to a premium 452X or similar string before you spend too much time trying to get it tuned just right. It will save you time, money and a lot of headaches in the end.
Post by: LeeMajors on March 23, 2012, 07:33:28 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2012, 02:12:46 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2012, 02:20:07 PM
That's a good poundage that most shoot well. I'm all for you shooting that poundage and arrow weight. Should be a great combination. Though I'd get that new string as soon as you can afford it.
Yes, if the the string really did stretch that much, it has changed the breakover point in relation to your anchor. I would change it now and just dial the bow down to 65 if you're able.
Post by: LeeMajors on March 23, 2012, 02:41:52 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on March 23, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Seems the industry standard is 5 grains per pound isnt it?
Just silly. Glad I saw this post. I hadnt heard of this before, or I forgot I had.
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2012, 03:28:14 PM
So are the Gamies going to be running around the woods with a bow scale and grain scale? :bash:
Seems the industry standard is 5 grains per pound isnt it?
Just silly. Glad I saw this post. I hadnt heard of this before, or I forgot I had.
Oregon Gamies have in the past. Don't think I have ever seen a Washington Gamie do it. Though with my luck the first time I tried to get away with it would be the first time they checked. I can not afford even a scratch on my record. So I'll just shoot the heavier arrow here in the state. Plenty of time to shoot how I like in Canada and Wyoming.
Post by: Johnb317 on March 24, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Post by: Oneshot1Kill on March 24, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
Post by: et1702 on March 24, 2012, 01:53:48 PM
Really! Only 6gpi? My arrows I used last year were 14.8 gpi. My broadheads were 175 grains. Shot amazing up to 30 yards. Than fell like rocks.
No, not 6gpi. 6gr per pound of bow draw (e.g., 70lb draw weight x 6gr = 420gr minimum arrow weight). This includes BH, insert, nock, plus fletching & wraps.
ET
Post by: Oneshot1Kill on March 24, 2012, 10:02:30 PM
Post by: jechicdr on March 25, 2012, 11:28:47 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 25, 2012, 11:40:33 PM
Post by: deleted BGS on April 01, 2012, 05:28:09 PM
No, not 6gpi. 6gr per pound of bow draw (e.g., 70lb draw weight x 6gr = 420gr minimum arrow weight). This includes BH, insert, nock, plus fletching & wraps.
ET
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So how much do Bh, inserts, nocks and fletching usually weigh? Blazer vanes in particular 3 vane
Post by: bowhunterty on April 01, 2012, 05:36:48 PM
Post by: deleted BGS on April 01, 2012, 05:50:25 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2012, 05:52:41 PM