Post by: Machias on April 04, 2012, 02:15:57 PM
http://www.krem.com/news/local/146164735.html
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 04, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 04, 2012, 02:21:55 PM
Post by: rasbo on April 04, 2012, 02:31:44 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2012, 02:38:49 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 04, 2012, 02:39:16 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2012, 02:42:37 PM
Post by: TheHunt on April 04, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 04, 2012, 02:56:10 PM
Ok, so it's ok for the wolf to kill animals at will and make them suffer, but this isn't ok? Still shouldn't have taken pics for the wusses to whine about. But still.Yes that's right- they're animals- we're not. We should always try our best to make a quick and humane death.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2012, 02:57:33 PM
Post by: Machias on April 04, 2012, 03:07:09 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 04, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
Ok, so it's ok for the wolf to kill animals at will and make them suffer, but this isn't ok? Still shouldn't have taken pics for the wusses to whine about. But still.
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What isn't OK is the face this puts on trapping and hunting. There was no need for this guy to post these pics on the web. 94% of the WA population doesn't hunt. 99.6% of the population doesn't trap. What we do is fine and legal. If we want to keep it that way, we'd better figure out better ways to interact with society and have them be comfortable with what we do, or we'll lose their support, and we need their support. This guy is not helping the future of trapping or hunting and has give the antis and wolf lovers a lot more support today with his post.
Post by: Humptulips on April 04, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
Was it smart to post the picture? No it was not but when I see people posting on this site stuff like this
As much as I don't like wolves, these types of pictures always make me feel bad for them. I am not against trapping but I couldn't do it myself. Would rather make a quick, humane kill and not make them suffer.
Well, that just upsets me. There is no evidence that the wolf suffered in the trap what so ever. Did you see the picture of its foot in the trap? There was zero damage. That wolf was trapped humanely and to say trapping is somehow inhumane is just wrong. Everything went right until the kids shot at the wolf.
There would have been just as much blood if the wolf had been shot by a hunter and not trapped, probably more.
To top it off there probably was not much blood. A little blood goes a long way in the snow.
Another thing I'd like to add. All of us are proud of being successful. How many pictures have you seen on here of elk, deer, moose, cougar, bear, coyotes and you name it that have been taken hunting? Trappers are no different. That wolf was a first and maybe a once in a lifetime catch for that guy. Naturally he wanted pictures to show to friends.
Just saying put youself in his shoes for a minute and cut him a little slack.
Learn from his mistake. I'm sure he did and is regreting it.
Post by: Chase 1 on April 04, 2012, 04:18:30 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 04, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
Don't give the huggers any ammo,
bingo
Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2012, 04:28:46 PM
Let's be real clear about this. The reason that picture is causing such a stink is because of all the blood in that photo. That blood wasn't caused by the trap or the trapper. How many other pictures have been posted of wolves this year? I've see a lot of bloody pictures and this is the one that starts the controversy. There seems to be a connection between the bloody picture and trapping. That is just unfair. It was the kids shooting at the wolf that caused all the blood.
Was it smart to post the picture? No it was not but when I see people posting on this site stuff like thisAs much as I don't like wolves, these types of pictures always make me feel bad for them. I am not against trapping but I couldn't do it myself. Would rather make a quick, humane kill and not make them suffer.
Well, that just upsets me. There is no evidence that the wolf suffered in the trap what so ever. Did you see the picture of its foot in the trap? There was zero damage. That wolf was trapped humanely and to say trapping is somehow inhumane is just wrong. Everything went right until the kids shot at the wolf.
There would have been just as much blood if the wolf had been shot by a hunter and not trapped, probably more.
To top it off there probably was not much blood. A little blood goes a long way in the snow.
Another thing I'd like to add. All of us are proud of being successful. How many pictures have you seen on here of elk, deer, moose, cougar, bear, coyotes and you name it that have been taken hunting? Trappers are no different. That wolf was a first and maybe a once in a lifetime catch for that guy. Naturally he wanted pictures to show to friends.
Just saying put youself in his shoes for a minute and cut him a little slack.
Learn from his mistake. I'm sure he did and is regreting it.
I never said I was against trapping, I just said that it wasn't for me because I wouldn't like knowing that an animal COULD be suffering at my expense. I am just a believer in trying to complete the most humane kill possible but to each their own. I am not judging.
Post by: Special T on April 04, 2012, 04:34:53 PM
The main reason why this can be construed as "Ammo" is because the general population has become more insulated from the real world. Many people cannot even think of how meat gets into the butcher shop/grocery store. How many of you in the country have dogs dumped in your area? So many people cannot even contemplate taking a dog to the pound or putting it down themselves.
I would argue that we need to show MORE reality not less. By showing less we are continuing the ignorance of people instead of confronting people with reality.
The perfect example of this is the decision to put your dog down. Your best friend is suffering, and cannot be fixed or cost too much. MOST people feel better taking them to the vet and having them put to sleep because its "peaceful". The fact is regardless of how you put your dog down its dead. We try and soften the fall by spending additional $ to curtail our guilt.
If we constantly hide our actions, how can we ever explain or expand our way of life or thinking? :twocents:
Post by: Feanix on April 04, 2012, 04:39:28 PM
Post by: Cuda on April 04, 2012, 05:20:11 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 04, 2012, 05:55:07 PM
As a hunter I think ethics are essential regardless of the game. If I had mad a poorly placed shot on an animal or it was down but needed finished off, then in no way would I pose with the animal before I disbatched it. I don't trap but have friends that do and I can say that I respect the method. I simply believe that as sportsman we need to be responsible and show respect for the animals we hunt regardless of their reputation. This is what I will teach my children when they begin hunting.Right- I have had to make a killing shot on downed animals and have never taken their picture befor hand..
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 04, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
Post by: Feanix on April 04, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
Post by: Humptulips on April 04, 2012, 06:53:15 PM
Let's be real clear about this. The reason that picture is causing such a stink is because of all the blood in that photo. That blood wasn't caused by the trap or the trapper. How many other pictures have been posted of wolves this year? I've see a lot of bloody pictures and this is the one that starts the controversy. There seems to be a connection between the bloody picture and trapping. That is just unfair. It was the kids shooting at the wolf that caused all the blood.
Was it smart to post the picture? No it was not but when I see people posting on this site stuff like thisAs much as I don't like wolves, these types of pictures always make me feel bad for them. I am not against trapping but I couldn't do it myself. Would rather make a quick, humane kill and not make them suffer.
Well, that just upsets me. There is no evidence that the wolf suffered in the trap what so ever. Did you see the picture of its foot in the trap? There was zero damage. That wolf was trapped humanely and to say trapping is somehow inhumane is just wrong. Everything went right until the kids shot at the wolf.
There would have been just as much blood if the wolf had been shot by a hunter and not trapped, probably more.
To top it off there probably was not much blood. A little blood goes a long way in the snow.
Another thing I'd like to add. All of us are proud of being successful. How many pictures have you seen on here of elk, deer, moose, cougar, bear, coyotes and you name it that have been taken hunting? Trappers are no different. That wolf was a first and maybe a once in a lifetime catch for that guy. Naturally he wanted pictures to show to friends.
Just saying put youself in his shoes for a minute and cut him a little slack.
Learn from his mistake. I'm sure he did and is regreting it.
I never said I was against trapping, I just said that it wasn't for me because I wouldn't like knowing that an animal COULD be suffering at my expense. I am just a believer in trying to complete the most humane kill possible but to each their own. I am not judging.
Exactly the kind of post that you made before and the reason why I was and am upset.
You seem to be starting out with the conclusion that trapping is less humane than hunting and you go on to imply that trappers have less compassion for wildlife then you do.
That is just not the case. If I thought that an animal could be suffering at my expense I wouldn't have made the set to start with.
You are engageing in the same demonazation of trappers that the animal rights crowd does all be it to a lesser degree.
The animal rights groups also portray hunters as cruel neanderthals that take enjoyment out of watching an animal die. How do you like being painted with that brush?
I don't like it when someone classifies me similarly.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2012, 07:31:57 PM
Let's be real clear about this. The reason that picture is causing such a stink is because of all the blood in that photo. That blood wasn't caused by the trap or the trapper. How many other pictures have been posted of wolves this year? I've see a lot of bloody pictures and this is the one that starts the controversy. There seems to be a connection between the bloody picture and trapping. That is just unfair. It was the kids shooting at the wolf that caused all the blood.
Was it smart to post the picture? No it was not but when I see people posting on this site stuff like thisAs much as I don't like wolves, these types of pictures always make me feel bad for them. I am not against trapping but I couldn't do it myself. Would rather make a quick, humane kill and not make them suffer.
Well, that just upsets me. There is no evidence that the wolf suffered in the trap what so ever. Did you see the picture of its foot in the trap? There was zero damage. That wolf was trapped humanely and to say trapping is somehow inhumane is just wrong. Everything went right until the kids shot at the wolf.
There would have been just as much blood if the wolf had been shot by a hunter and not trapped, probably more.
To top it off there probably was not much blood. A little blood goes a long way in the snow.
Another thing I'd like to add. All of us are proud of being successful. How many pictures have you seen on here of elk, deer, moose, cougar, bear, coyotes and you name it that have been taken hunting? Trappers are no different. That wolf was a first and maybe a once in a lifetime catch for that guy. Naturally he wanted pictures to show to friends.
Just saying put youself in his shoes for a minute and cut him a little slack.
Learn from his mistake. I'm sure he did and is regreting it.
I never said I was against trapping, I just said that it wasn't for me because I wouldn't like knowing that an animal COULD be suffering at my expense. I am just a believer in trying to complete the most humane kill possible but to each their own. I am not judging.
Exactly the kind of post that you made before and the reason why I was and am upset.
You seem to be starting out with the conclusion that trapping is less humane than hunting and you go on to imply that trappers have less compassion for wildlife then you do.
That is just not the case. If I thought that an animal could be suffering at my expense I wouldn't have made the set to start with.
You are engageing in the same demonazation of trappers that the animal rights crowd does all be it to a lesser degree.
The animal rights groups also portray hunters as cruel neanderthals that take enjoyment out of watching an animal die. How do you like being painted with that brush?
I don't like it when someone classifies me similarly.
Never once did I say anything about you trapping or anybody else for that matter. All I have been saying is that it isn't for me and I wouldn't do it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: TeacherMan on April 04, 2012, 07:34:04 PM
Post by: Johnb317 on April 04, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
Remember the fiasco with the elk up in skagit? County a couple years ago? Was not good for any of us.
We also need to stick together
Just my :twocents: And probably all it's worth
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 04, 2012, 07:46:28 PM
Not only ethics, but sensitivity (I know, a bad word) dictates that we don't display our kills in as public a way. The guy was posting the picture on a trapping website where he thought he was among friends. Big mistake! The internet is among friends and 7 billion other people. This is probably a really good guy (and apparently a really good trapper), who made the mistake of posting a live animal in a trap. He knows now this was a mistake. I feel bad for him. I'm sure he learned a lot about PR from this.
Post by: seth30 on April 04, 2012, 07:53:20 PM
When I was growing up, you shot a deer and went driving through town with it strapped to the roof of your car. No longer is this the case.:bdid:
Not only ethics, but sensitivity (I know, a bad word) dictates that we don't display our kills in as public a way. The guy was posting the picture on a trapping website where he thought he was among friends. Big mistake! The internet is among friends and 7 billion other people. This is probably a really good guy (and apparently a really good trapper), who made the mistake of posting a live animal in a trap. He knows now this was a mistake. I feel bad for him. I'm sure he learned a lot about PR from this.
Post by: Machias on April 04, 2012, 09:48:11 PM
Post by: Machias on April 04, 2012, 09:49:42 PM
Let's be real clear about this. The reason that picture is causing such a stink is because of all the blood in that photo. That blood wasn't caused by the trap or the trapper. How many other pictures have been posted of wolves this year? I've see a lot of bloody pictures and this is the one that starts the controversy. There seems to be a connection between the bloody picture and trapping. That is just unfair. It was the kids shooting at the wolf that caused all the blood.
Was it smart to post the picture? No it was not but when I see people posting on this site stuff like thisAs much as I don't like wolves, these types of pictures always make me feel bad for them. I am not against trapping but I couldn't do it myself. Would rather make a quick, humane kill and not make them suffer.
Well, that just upsets me. There is no evidence that the wolf suffered in the trap what so ever. Did you see the picture of its foot in the trap? There was zero damage. That wolf was trapped humanely and to say trapping is somehow inhumane is just wrong. Everything went right until the kids shot at the wolf.
There would have been just as much blood if the wolf had been shot by a hunter and not trapped, probably more.
To top it off there probably was not much blood. A little blood goes a long way in the snow.
Another thing I'd like to add. All of us are proud of being successful. How many pictures have you seen on here of elk, deer, moose, cougar, bear, coyotes and you name it that have been taken hunting? Trappers are no different. That wolf was a first and maybe a once in a lifetime catch for that guy. Naturally he wanted pictures to show to friends.
Just saying put youself in his shoes for a minute and cut him a little slack.
Learn from his mistake. I'm sure he did and is regreting it.
I never said I was against trapping, I just said that it wasn't for me because I wouldn't like knowing that an animal COULD be suffering at my expense. I am just a believer in trying to complete the most humane kill possible but to each their own. I am not judging.
Exactly the kind of post that you made before and the reason why I was and am upset.
You seem to be starting out with the conclusion that trapping is less humane than hunting and you go on to imply that trappers have less compassion for wildlife then you do.
That is just not the case. If I thought that an animal could be suffering at my expense I wouldn't have made the set to start with.
You are engageing in the same demonazation of trappers that the animal rights crowd does all be it to a lesser degree.
The animal rights groups also portray hunters as cruel neanderthals that take enjoyment out of watching an animal die. How do you like being painted with that brush?
I don't like it when someone classifies me similarly.
Never once did I say anything about you trapping or anybody else for that matter. All I have been saying is that it isn't for me and I wouldn't do it. Nothing more, nothing less.
You may not have ment to come across they way it did to me, but I took it exactly as Bruce did.
Post by: NumaJohn on April 04, 2012, 10:56:55 PM
Like it or not, as hunters and trappers, we are going to be held to a higher standard for our behavior than the average citizen. The stereotype is out there that hunters and trappers are bloodthirsty, and so when an image like this gets distributed, the stereotype is reinforced. In my opinion, the actual back story (that others, not the trapper himself) may have caused this wolf to bleed and suffer) matters very little, at this point. Not many disinterested citizens watching the 5 o'clock news are going to invest the time and care to look into what really happened. So, the public relations in this case will be bad, in general, and only bad. Rebuttals and cries about misrepresentation are warranted, perhaps, but they will largely fall on deaf ears. That's a shame, because as we mostly all agree, wolves need to be managed, for their sake and for the sake of ungulates and human hunters.
I am from the West, and live in Washington, but I lived for 8 years on the East Coast, and for those of you who have never spent any quality time there, it would be easy to rush to judgment that they are all antis and out of touch with the lifestyle we live out here as hunters. That was not my experience. Sure, plenty of people in the northeast corridor were freaked by guns and were in staunch support of stronger gun laws, and many of them were vegetarians, vegans, and meat eaters who only knew about food from the corner market. But a good number of the people I met expressed a genuine curiosity and respect for hunting, once I had made a sincere effort to explain to them what it is like to hunt and why hunters do it. In a good number of cases, these urban East Coasters were certain they could never kill something themselves, but they did not object to the kind of hunting I would describe.
But when those same people--many of whom are legitimate hikers, birders, anglers, campers, etc.--see an image like the one of this trapper with a not-yet-dead wolf? Well, non-hunters tilt another few clicks toward becoming anti-hunters. And as Pianoman's statistics about non-hunters suggest, both nationally and in states like Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, we hunters and trappers need all the assistance and support we can muster if our hunting heritage is to continue, and if hunting and trapping can continue to be useful tools for wildlife management.
From my perspective, I am convinced that the wolves are having a devastating effect on many ungulate populations. No question, and therefore no question we need to manage wolves, and now. But demonizing wolves and using language that describes a natural and highly efficient predator (like us, by the way) as bloodthirsty, well, that reinforces stereotypes about hunters and trappers that will only cause us problems in the end. I was on a river trip in Idaho last year, and in one rural town, friends and I noticed a sign on a bar that basically indicated that anyone driving a Subaru, or anyone wearing sandals, or anyone who likes wolves, was not welcome in that establishment. Fine, that's America. The business owner has the right to refuse service to anyone. But lumping people together like that, as if they all believe the same thing about everything, is an awfully naive and unhelpful assumption. Every river rat in our group was wearing sandals, all of us mountain bike and send money to conservation organizations, and some of own Subarus. But every one of us was also a hunter, and the majority of our group had worked for years for one of the guy's brother's hunting outfitter service. The stereotypes are not constructive, is my point, and with all due respect, I think if hunters and trappers do not do a better job of helping one another resist seeing others through a stereotypical lens, then our hunting and trapping days are numbered.
The wolf-and-trapper photo should never have been taken. The guy should have waited until the animal was dead, movedthe wolf away from the blood, then taken the photo. The Internet public doesn't need to "get real" or "get educated" through our kill photos. There are other ways to introduce to (or remind them about) the harsh realities of life and death than thrusting kill photos in their faces. Shock treatment probably really isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I offer my sentiments here with respect for my fellow Forum members and the traditions we share.
John
Post by: Chase 1 on April 05, 2012, 01:01:20 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 05, 2012, 07:06:08 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 05, 2012, 07:19:58 AM
Post by: Special T on April 05, 2012, 07:41:05 AM
"There are other ways to introduce to (or remind them about) the harsh realities of life and death than thrusting kill photos in their faces. Shock treatment probably really isn't all it's cracked up to be."
What other ways would you suggest to "educate" the public?. We are constantly being accommodating. So much so that here in WA we cannot use body gripping traps except for nuance control.
Post by: rasbo on April 05, 2012, 08:30:52 AM
Post by: Humptulips on April 05, 2012, 01:40:53 PM
Pretty hard to argue with anything you said except one minor point. I've seen the results of some polls and the West especially the coast has a higher percentage of animal rights/ anti-hunter/ anti- trappers folks then the east coast so if anthing we have a steeper hill to climb then anyone in the rest of the nation.
We have to put our best face forward and the picture certainly hasn't helped.
We are in a war, a battle for public opinion and some people don't seem to get that.
What I was trying to get at in a previous post was what that guy did was not that bad up until he posted that picture which does look bad to the general public. If we didn't have these animal rights groups waiting to pounce on any mistake nothing would have come of it. We all need to be careful, not just trappers.
Do you remember the furor when the first guy to legally kill a wolf in ID posted pictures of it a couple years ago? This is very similar.
Post by: WSU on April 05, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2012, 02:10:38 PM
So what is all the blood from? The picture makes it look like it is from the wolf struggling to escape? Whatever it is, the wolf must have gone in circles for a bit.
Someone from a nearby road attempted to shoot the wolf with a....I think it was a .22. Yes a trapped animal will make a circle, you should see what the area looks like after a wolverine or badger has been in a trap for a bit.
Post by: WSU on April 05, 2012, 02:11:34 PM
So what is all the blood from? The picture makes it look like it is from the wolf struggling to escape (there is a cut in the pad). I read the explanation in the article, but whatever the cause, the wolf must have gone in circles for a bit.
Post by: WSU on April 05, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
Look you can't catch and hold an animal with bubble wrap, they can and do get nicked up sometimes, but there have been plenty of studies that show they can and are held with very little to no damage. Guess how they catch wild animals for most live studies or to collar and release? Leghold traps, they wouldn't use those traps if the animals are mangled or injured to the point they could not be safely released.
Post by: WSU on April 05, 2012, 02:53:00 PM
Post by: Humptulips on April 05, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 09, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
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Post by: seansfire on April 10, 2012, 06:40:05 PM
it is nothing like hunting as when hunting we take a shot and it is over for the animal. there is no chance of it suffering like it would spending the night stuck somewhere then panicking when a human walks up to it to kill it. dont know about others but when a shot is made while out hunting i dont think the animals even know what is coming.
i am a hunter and i am proud of it. i just dont see the need for animals to suffer and this is just my take on things and an opinion. i dont mean to say i am any better than the next guy.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on April 10, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
Post by: Humptulips on April 10, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
there is nothing humane about trapping an animal in a leg trap. it is suffering for who knows how long until someone comes ands shoots it. do you think they tear up the ground and run circles for exercise ? i am betting they do so due to being terrified.
it is nothing like hunting as when hunting we take a shot and it is over for the animal. there is no chance of it suffering like it would spending the night stuck somewhere then panicking when a human walks up to it to kill it. dont know about others but when a shot is made while out hunting i dont think the animals even know what is coming.
i am a hunter and i am proud of it. i just dont see the need for animals to suffer and this is just my take on things and an opinion. i dont mean to say i am any better than the next guy.
I see the same attitude from a lot of people that know little or nothing about trapping.
Are you even aware of the testing of modern traps.
In 1991, the European Union passed a Regulation (3254/91) that prohibits the importation into EU member states of fur products derived from thirteen furbearer species, (twelve of which are North American), unless the EU Commission determines that: - “there are adequate administrative or legislative provisions in force to prohibit the use of the leghold trap; OR - the trapping methods used for the species listed meet internationally agreed humane trapping standards.”
Five more species were added in subsequent negotiations. Ultimately, the Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS) was signed in 1997 by Canada, the EU and Russia. The USA signed a separate, but similar Agreement with the EU the same year. The EU Council ratified them in 1998. Under these agreements, all traps must be tested against the standards set out in the Agreement on International Trap Standards (AIHTS) and, if they conform, must be certified by a designated competent authority. If they fail to meet the Standards, they must be replaced with traps that do.
As a result of these negotiations The Association of Fish and Wildlife agencies was named the designated competent authority in the US and undertook to develop Best Management Practices for trapping. This program aimed to improve and modernize trapping through the identification of the most humane and efficient traps by evaluation of animal welfare during the testing of traps.
There was testing going on here in Washington prior to the passage of Initiative-713.
In 2000 before any results were available, Initiative 713 passed and locked us into the current laws. In the intervening years the testing has went on outside of Washington and the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies has completed testing on 17 species of furbearers.
During the same time frame The Canadian Federation of Humane Societies (CFHS) and the Canadian Association for Humane Trapping (CAHT) began a scientific approach to research and development for improving the humaneness of trapping systems.
The Canadians have primarily done testing on instant kill traps and the US has done testing on restraining traps.
The most humane and efficient traps have been identified for these animals. It is not apparent to the uninformed public what makes up a humane trap and in fact it is not obvious to many trappers. These traps though have been scientifically tested and found to be the most humane and effective.
I wonder if you could say the same thing about different types of hunting.
These traps are tested by catching animals and doing necropsies on them afterwards. They are judged by amount of injury to the animal.
Here's the criteria they go by. These are all disqualifiying factors for a model of trap.
self-directed biting leading to severe injury (self-mu-tilation);
excessive immobility and unresponsiveness.
Inquiries recognised as indicators of poor welfare in trapped wild animals are:
(a) fracture;
(b) joint luxation proximal (joint dislocation next to the wrist or foot) to the carpus or tarsus;
(c) severance of a tendon or ligament;
(d) major periosteal abraison; ( major abraison of the connective tissue around the bone)
(e) severe external haemorrhage or haemorrhage into an internal cavity;
(f) major skeletal muscle degeneration;
(g) limb ischaemia;(inadequate blood flow to a limb)
(h) fracture of a permanent tooth exposing pulp cavity;
(i) ocular damage including corneal laceration;
(j) spinal cord injury;
(k) severe internal organ damage;
(l) myocardial degeneration;
(m) amputation;
(n) death.
One of trappers biggest problems is traps have changed and no one knows about it except trappers. The uninformed public is still living in the past as far as trapping goes.
Do animals try to get away when the are held in a restraining trap. Sure they do but does that equate to inhumane and painful. I don't think so. If you grabbed a stranger by the wrist they would pull back. That is instinct not pain.
Worst thing about it all is we as in the Washington State Trappers Association has been trying to get these standards adopted for the last 4 years to no avail. HSUS does not want humane traps. They want people like you to believe all traps are inhumane which is a total lie.
There is a problem with the thinking that it is somehow better to just shoot furbearers rather then use traps. Furbearers cannot as a rule be controlled by hunting and in many locations it is not safe to fire a weapon. Management of furbearers species requires traps whether you like it or not. Please take a look at the links below. I hope they will educate you that traps can be very humane.
http://jjcdev.com/~fishwild/?section=best_management_practices
http://www.caht.ca/caht/cahttrd.jsp
Copied a few things but WOW that was a load of typing!
Post by: Machias on April 10, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
there is nothing humane about trapping an animal in a leg trap. it is suffering for who knows how long until someone comes ands shoots it. do you think they tear up the ground and run circles for exercise ? i am betting they do so due to being terrified.
it is nothing like hunting as when hunting we take a shot and it is over for the animal. there is no chance of it suffering like it would spending the night stuck somewhere then panicking when a human walks up to it to kill it. dont know about others but when a shot is made while out hunting i dont think the animals even know what is coming.
i am a hunter and i am proud of it. i just dont see the need for animals to suffer and this is just my take on things and an opinion. i dont mean to say i am any better than the next guy.
Absolutely Clueless
Post by: Chase 1 on April 10, 2012, 10:17:21 PM
there is nothing humane about trapping an animal in a leg trap. it is suffering for who knows how long until someone comes ands shoots it. do you think they tear up the ground and run circles for exercise ? i am betting they do so due to being terrified.
it is nothing like hunting as when hunting we take a shot and it is over for the animal. there is no chance of it suffering like it would spending the night stuck somewhere then panicking when a human walks up to it to kill it. dont know about others but when a shot is made while out hunting i dont think the animals even know what is coming.
i am a hunter and i am proud of it. i just dont see the need for animals to suffer and this is just my take on things and an opinion. i dont mean to say i am any better than the next guy.
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:yeah: Fighting ignorance with knowledge could be a full time job! Eloquently stated Humps.
Post by: TheNoob on April 11, 2012, 01:46:35 AM
Post by: rasbo on April 11, 2012, 04:46:07 AM
there is nothing humane about trapping an animal in a leg trap. it is suffering for who knows how long until someone comes ands shoots it. do you think they tear up the ground and run circles for exercise ? i am betting they do so due to being terrified.better not to say anything,then to spew absolute untruths...educate yourself on the matter if you will please.
it is nothing like hunting as when hunting we take a shot and it is over for the animal. there is no chance of it suffering like it would spending the night stuck somewhere then panicking when a human walks up to it to kill it. dont know about others but when a shot is made while out hunting i dont think the animals even know what is coming.
i am a hunter and i am proud of it. i just dont see the need for animals to suffer and this is just my take on things and an opinion. i dont mean to say i am any better than the next guy.
Post by: plottwalker on April 11, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
dint post shiz like this on the internet and let even more people see it, this is the 4th site i have seen it on now, not including the link to the origanal. all you can do is hope this idiot learns his leason and leave the camera at home next time. all you do by posting this is add fuel to the fire in my opinion. Brian