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Other Hunting => Upland Birds => Topic started by: Salmo on April 08, 2012, 08:59:06 AM

Title: .410
Post by: Salmo on April 08, 2012, 08:59:06 AM: How many here use a .410 for upland bird hunting?
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Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 08, 2012, 09:03:10 AM: I used one years ago. Hits just as hard, just not as much shot going out there.
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Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2012, 09:11:46 AM: Only for grouse on the ground or in a tree. Never did shoot a flying grouse with it.

I do think they would be a good gun for quail.
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Post by: uplandhunter870 on April 08, 2012, 09:19:43 AM: i do for grouse quail and doves and starlings in the orchard when i get back to my parents place. although i have a mec 410 loader so for me its the cheapest hunting shell wouldnt use a 410 much if my only option was buying factory shells
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Post by: Moose22 on April 08, 2012, 09:23:24 AM: I use a 28 ga for grouse but, if I owned a .410 I would probably use it every now and again.
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Post by: hillbilli on April 08, 2012, 09:26:33 AM: Pop always had a .410 around as a farm gun for varmints and such, but it got to where it disgusted him to pay 10$ a box for shells when hi-vel game loads at wal-mart were 3-4$ for 20ga...(this from a man who didnt shoot 10 shells a year) factory ammo aint cheap because they load so little of it in comparison.. we found it really limited in range compared to even the 20 ga, as it just dont have near as many pellets.
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Post by: JBar on April 08, 2012, 09:32:24 AM: Bought one last year and knocked down both roosters I shot at. Not great for long ranges but the closer shots it works great :tup: Oh and it works great on grouse and quail too!
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Post by: boneaddict on April 08, 2012, 09:35:47 AM: works good on prairie dogs and rattlesnakes.......providing you don't plan to save the hide
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Post by: Bigluke1981 on April 08, 2012, 03:55:08 PM: I have used a .410 and a 28 for the last several years on quail, doves and grouse. I love them.
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Post by: Wazukie on April 08, 2012, 04:52:20 PM: I use my Springfield M6 Scout for grouse all the time, It's always in the rig during grouse season.
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Post by: high country on April 09, 2012, 08:57:37 AM: I have a rossi single shot that shoots 410/45lc out of the same barrel. I killed a deer and some quail on the same hunt last year...if 410 shells were only priced right.
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Post by: fethrduster on April 10, 2012, 11:00:52 AM: I wouldn't mind having one, but I don't know how much I'd really use it. A local shop has a used .410 loader I can get cheap too. Tempting, but I don't need it.
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Post by: Bluemoon on April 10, 2012, 10:53:26 PM: Remember When?
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Post by: Stilly bay on April 10, 2012, 11:32:53 PM: if I ever get a pair of beagles and take up rabbit hunting I suspect I will need a good 410. maybe an old winchester model 12, choked a little too tight.
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Post by: PolarBear on April 11, 2012, 12:17:56 AM: I have an old Stevens side by side that I grew up hunting with and still use for birds. I killed a buck (with slugs) with it when I was 10. That thing has taken hunreds of critters from bunnies to quail, pheasants, doves, squirrels, turkeys, coyotes, you name it.
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Post by: rasbo on April 11, 2012, 04:54:47 AM: I have a bolt action .410 thats a blast to shoot,I would hunt pheasant grouse and quail with it..
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Post by: Mr56Jeep on April 25, 2012, 11:25:56 AM: I passes on a nice little .410 Remmington 1100 in 3" and I'm still sorry I passes.

I think .410 for upland would be rockin' cool!

A limit of decoying teal with a .410 would be a great day also :IBCOOL:

I'll find one... still looking. :dunno:
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Post by: jeepster on May 14, 2012, 02:01:53 PM: i also have an old bolt 410 however, i have never shot it. grandpa hid all the mags before he passed (12 years ago) and we never found them

hey Rasbo, is yours an old stevens? I think mine is a model 56 or something.

i think i might take it out and try clays with it later today tho
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Post by: rasbo on May 14, 2012, 02:18:37 PM: Quote from: jeepster on May 14, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
i also have an old bolt 410 however, i have never shot it. grandpa hid all the mags before he passed (12 years ago) and we never found them

hey Rasbo, is yours an old stevens? I think mine is a model 56 or something.

i think i might take it out and try clays with it later today tho
Mine is a Hawthorne Model M150B 3inch,it loads from the top,I paid 100 bucks for it in awesome condition.Its a blast foresure..raises hell with the starlings here
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Post by: Blackjaw on May 15, 2012, 09:11:49 AM: My guess is that in the real world you would wound more birds with a .410 because most people won't limit themselves to close range shots.
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Post by: flinter on May 15, 2012, 09:37:15 AM: When I first got mine I used #71/2 shot had lots of grouse fly away after a solid hit. Finally I tryed #4 shot in it. Grouse DRT. Not near as many pellets but they hit much harder, give em a try you won't be disapointed.
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Post by: Mr56Jeep on May 15, 2012, 05:24:47 PM: Quote from: Blackjaw on May 15, 2012, 09:11:49 AM
My guess is that in the real world you would wound more birds with a .410 because most people won't limit themselves to close range shots.

.410 shooters are often a unique bunch. They move to .410 because they know range and lead. My guess, if you were going to generalize, is that you would probably see more wounded birds with 3-1/2" 12 gauge than with .410 due to the type of shooter that uses them rather than the amount of shot it puts up.

Just my :twocents:
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Post by: newbs55 on May 16, 2012, 08:09:28 AM: I shoot a .410 for grouse because i feel it holds a tighter pattern at grouse killing ranges ( 10-30 yds). I could see using it on Pheasants or Chukar if they were really tight holding birds and kept shots under 25-30 yds. I have shot clays with it and it really powders them when you hit em but you don't get the margin of error like you do with a 12.
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Post by: wadu1 on May 16, 2012, 08:45:13 AM: I shoot the .410 for grouse, quail and doves, I have a MEC Jr to reload them. A buddy of mine loads #4 Bismuth for decoying ducks. I saw him drop a pair of mallards with his O/U last year.
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Post by: washingtonmuley on May 16, 2012, 08:58:54 AM: My 9 year old harvested his first ducks this year with his single shot .410. It is hard to find steel shot for the .410
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Post by: Dhoey07 on May 22, 2012, 07:15:23 AM: Quote from: washingtonmuley on May 16, 2012, 08:58:54 AM
My 9 year old harvested his first ducks this year with his single shot .410. It is hard to find steel shot for the .410

You're son shot a Harli his first year?! Lucky dog!
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Post by: Kowsrule30 on May 29, 2012, 01:18:20 PM: I got a New England Arms single shot in 410..... Great gun.... Has killed pheasant, grouse, quail, dove, coons, coyote, rats.... You name it..... Bought it when I was 21 from a friend of the family for $50 unfired!!!! I also have a TC Contender with a 410/45 Colt barrel.... Sometimes I just carry that around.... You only got one shot.... But when people see it they don't look twice!!!! :chuckle: I mostly shoot # 4 or 5 shot......
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Post by: LenW on June 06, 2012, 02:32:58 PM: I have a Remington 1100 .410, bought it to start my son shooting, took it out trap shooting was able to hit 18 of 25 the first time, bought a second stock and cut it down for him, he was a dead on trap shooter with it at 10 yrs old, loaded my own shells, still a fun gun to shoot. :tup:
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Post by: Mr56Jeep on June 06, 2012, 03:37:59 PM: Quote from: LenW on June 06, 2012, 02:32:58 PM
I have a Remington 1100 .410, bought it to start my son shooting, took it out trap shooting was able to hit 18 of 25 the first time, bought a second stock and cut it down for him, he was a dead on trap shooter with it at 10 yrs old, loaded my own shells, still a fun gun to shoot. :tup:

I'm in the market for one of those right now.
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Post by: Wa hunter on June 06, 2012, 04:22:11 PM: I have a 410 browing bps I would part with if someone is looking for one it is like new for 450
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Post by: JBar on June 06, 2012, 04:29:23 PM: Tempting Wa hunter! Too bad I have graduation for my kid in the next week!
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Post by: Wa hunter on June 06, 2012, 07:08:30 PM: Congrats on your Graduation JBar. I shoot a 410 contender and have killed a grouse with it and I like to shoot my winchester 94/410 at the skeet field now and then. Fun gun and I get some raised eyebrows when I walk to the station with my model 94.
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Post by: Dave Workman on June 07, 2012, 01:35:47 PM: I use a .410 Stoeger double S/S with double triggers and full set chokes. It's a killer, and I'm counting down the days to Sept. 1.
Hopefully, more and BIGGER grouse this fall!
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Post by: Dave Workman on June 18, 2012, 08:22:21 AM: DO YOU PEOPLE MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT I HAVE HAD THE LAST WORD ON THIS THREAD?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CANDY ASSES.

:chuckle: :IBCOOL: :chuckle:
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Post by: Mr56Jeep on June 18, 2012, 11:18:09 AM: Not so fast >:(

I'm still looking for the right .410 and then a season to take a hero shot of something before I get back in the argument. :chuckle: :chuckle:

Nice pic though :tup:
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Post by: ghosthunter on June 18, 2012, 11:30:39 AM: Well I am the odd ball here I guess I take grouse with my Judge revolver or Circuit Judge. and I love them both.
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Post by: Special T on June 18, 2012, 03:27:56 PM: I like the Savage model 24. I like the .410 but ended up going with the 20 just because of the ammo... There are still lots of 22lr .410 O/U out there and are a great gun for grouse/rabbit. I think you do have to have a special mindset to have a .410 You have to WANT a less powered shell that costs more than the "standard" 20g... If your into reloading then you can likely justify the cost better than most and have the appreciation of that very cool shell. :twocents:
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Post by: JBar on June 18, 2012, 04:35:08 PM: Quote from: Dave Workman on June 18, 2012, 08:22:21 AM
DO YOU PEOPLE MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT I HAVE HAD THE LAST WORD ON THIS THREAD?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CANDY ASSES.

:chuckle: :IBCOOL: :chuckle:

I'll keep this going too! You're right Dave that is a small grouse in your picture! :chuckle:
I was actually looking at a Tristar .410 O/U today, I'll have to do some research on this one but it's nice for the $$ also shoulders and points really well.
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Post by: bobcat on June 18, 2012, 05:47:41 PM: The 20 gauge is perfect for grouse. With the 410 you're giving up a lot of range. I have killed blue grouse with a 410, and I have also shot them, knocked them down, just to have them get up and run or fly away.
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Post by: Stilly bay on June 18, 2012, 05:59:55 PM: Quote from: bobcat on June 18, 2012, 05:47:41 PM
The 20 gauge is perfect for grouse. With the 410 you're giving up a lot of range. I have killed blue grouse with a 410, and I have also shot them, knocked them down, just to have them get up and run or fly away.
:yeah:
or the 28 gauge

from a ballistic /pattern standpoint, its amazing the .410 kills as many birds as it does. but just because you can kill a bird with it may not mean you should. I want something with a more forgiving pattern to hunt wild birds with.
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Post by: ORCA_SIX on July 01, 2012, 11:14:04 PM: Quote from: bobcat on June 18, 2012, 05:47:41 PM
The 20 gauge is perfect for grouse. With the 410 you're giving up a lot of range. I have killed blue grouse with a 410, and I have also shot them, knocked them down, just to have them get up and run or fly away.
:yeah:

However, I tend to have my H&R single shot .12 gauge in the truck usually. I think about getting a .410 sometimes but would rather spend the money on something else.
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Post by: Special T on July 02, 2012, 09:56:49 AM: If they made a side by side shotgun/rifle that shot 410 45LC then i think I might consider it... I'm pretty sure H&R makes a single shot like that tho.
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Post by: CP on July 02, 2012, 10:45:21 AM: Quote from: Dave Workman on June 18, 2012, 08:22:21 AM
DO YOU PEOPLE MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT I HAVE HAD THE LAST WORD ON THIS THREAD?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CANDY ASSES.

:chuckle: :IBCOOL: :chuckle:

.410s are for kids and women.
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Post by: wildweeds on July 02, 2012, 05:18:06 PM: And marksmen..................

Quote from: CP on July 02, 2012, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: Dave Workman on June 18, 2012, 08:22:21 AM
DO YOU PEOPLE MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT I HAVE HAD THE LAST WORD ON THIS THREAD?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CANDY ASSES.

:chuckle: :IBCOOL: :chuckle:

.410s are for kids and women.
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Post by: runamuk on July 02, 2012, 05:41:46 PM: Doesn't a .410 require some measure of skill :dunno: whereas a 12g or even a 20g you can just spray and pray :dunno: :dunno:
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Post by: uplandhunter870 on July 02, 2012, 05:56:33 PM: using a 410 for wingshooting could be seen as the equivalent of bowhunting big game. as i said earlier in the thread i use a 410 for upland game quite often and it also sees a lot of cherry crop protection duty. but i use a 410 to hunt with to give an extra challenge to the hunt, similar to the extra challenge of bowhunting deer or elk. if i really want quail or dove for dinner ill take the 12 or 20 ga with me and ill bring home dinner, with the 410 its more about getting out there for the hunt and really knowing your abilities as an upland hunter and abilities as a shotgunner.

the 410 is a lot less forgiving than any other gauge, your margin of error is small. ive been around shotgunning for a long time both hunting and competitive and i honestly believe that the best shotgunners are the people who are highly successful with a 410
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Post by: Stilly bay on July 02, 2012, 05:58:39 PM: Quote from: runamuk on July 02, 2012, 05:41:46 PM
Doesn't a .410 require some measure of skill :dunno: whereas a 12g or even a 20g you can just spray and pray :dunno: :dunno:

the only skill you need with a .410 is to be able steer the truck and shoot. :chuckle:

I would say a .410 shooter needs to have more restraint than skill, the load is a serious handy cap. there was another site that recently got into this, and they determined that 25 yds is about as far a shot as you should take with a 410 on larger birds.

although I will ad that anyone going out in the field with a scatter gun who intends to "spray and pray" or poke and hope for the majority of their shots shouldn't be out there.
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Post by: wildweeds on July 03, 2012, 07:18:01 AM: I shoot my womens and kids gun at skeet alot,because I shoot alot of skeet and reload, it makes perfect sense to do so,it improves focus and is a whole heck cheaper on my wallet in the shot department,for every 7/8 oz 20 shell I get 2 whacks with the 7/16 oz 410.Twice the shells for the same price.
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Post by: LenW on July 28, 2012, 04:41:54 PM: I will agree that hunting with a 410 would be a challenge, having a neck injury I had to give up my over and under and thought about using my 1100 410 for hunting, when my son was shooting the gun I had always wondered about hitting anything beyond the 16 yard line at trap, one of the handicap shooters was watching my son shoot and asked to see his gun, needless to say this guy was breaking targets at the 27 yard line so it is possible.