Post by: jbeaumont21 on April 10, 2012, 08:08:10 PM
My question is why in the hell do they sell the stuff everywhere if it is intended for a 209 primer which we can't even use in Washington?? For those of you who use Triple Seven in WA, how does it perform? Is it worth risking a misfire on an elk to have an easier time cleaning the gun?
Post by: fair-chase on April 10, 2012, 08:16:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 10, 2012, 08:39:21 PM
I've heard 777 pellets do not work well with non-209 primers but I'm using loose 777 with no issues.
Post by: 50CalJim on April 10, 2012, 08:44:21 PM
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Post by: Whitelightning on April 10, 2012, 09:07:49 PM
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Post by: jbeaumont21 on April 10, 2012, 09:51:31 PM
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Post by: dawhunt on April 11, 2012, 05:52:09 AM
Bob
Post by: jbeaumont21 on April 11, 2012, 08:38:28 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on April 11, 2012, 09:35:47 AM
Hey all, sorry to start a thread with misinformation. I spoke with a Hodgdon tech this morning and he said that the loose powder is perfectly fine to be used with a number 11 and musket primer and it is just the pellets that need to be used with the 209. I think the guy at Whole Sale Sports in Vancouver was also misinformed. My apologies if I got anyone worked up over this, it was not my intention. Consider us to better educated now. I think I will be making a trip back to Wholesale to pick me up some T7 and educate the guy at the gun counter.
The only thing I might add in this conversation and I have been using T7 since it showed up with caps... I really would make sure that you indicate #11 Mag Caps versus the regular #11 cap, ALTHOUGH, the rgular #11 will work just fine in warmer weather. Another point I might make is I have change to t7-3f in my cap guns, it will ignite a bit easier than does T7-2f especially at temps below -10*. A lot of the heat produced by the #11 mag and Musket (which do produce the same temperatures) caps is absorbed by the cold metal of the nipple and BP, at these negative temperatures especially after spending several hours out in it.., so at times not enough heat can reach the powder itself.
I shoot Rondy events all spring and summer with a regular #11 cap from my Renegades...
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 11, 2012, 11:55:10 AM
Post by: johnsc6 on April 11, 2012, 02:35:28 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on April 11, 2012, 04:32:10 PM
I had been told the same thing but never had a problem the little german made "water resistant" #11's.
Dem RWS Dynamit Nobel 1075+ #11 caps really good ones...
Post by: Whitelightning on April 11, 2012, 06:54:17 PM
I had been told the same thing but never had a problem the little german made "water resistant" #11's.
Dem RWS Dynamint Nobel 1075+ #11 caps really good ones...
Yes the Dynamit Nobel 1075+ caps are hands down the best. 3800 of em in my safe.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on April 11, 2012, 10:31:06 PM
Post by: johnsc6 on April 12, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
yep thats the ones :tup:I had been told the same thing but never had a problem the little german made "water resistant" #11's.
Dem RWS Dynamit Nobel 1075+ #11 caps really good ones...
Post by: whitetailslyr on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
Post by: longrangekiller on June 14, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: WonkyWapiti on June 14, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
My hunting partner however using his CVA cannot shoot 777 pellets in his gun to save his life and has to use Pyrodex pellets. The 777 pellets in his CVA often have a delay from the crack of the trigger pull to the boom of the powder going off.
Post by: Sabotloader on June 14, 2012, 08:21:26 PM
Mine gose pop bang with triple 7 ever time with any other powder it just gos bang anyone know y?
T7 is harder to ignite than the others.... Questions? Which rifle? which cap are you using?
If you are using a CVA or Traditions, remember they use the metric system and their flash channels and flash holes are smaller than the American counterparts.
Post by: longrangekiller on June 14, 2012, 08:27:22 PM
Mine gose pop bang with triple 7 ever time with any other powder it just gos bang anyone know y?
T7 is harder to ignite than the others.... Questions? Which rifle? which cap are you using?
If you are using a CVA or Traditions, remember they use the metric system and their flash channels and flash holes are smaller than the American counterparts.
im using cci musket caps and yes it is a traditions evolution. is there other breach plugs with bigger flash holes or anything that u know of that i could try? because it dose shoot a better group with the 777 but i just dont like the pop bang it always makes me pull my shot most of the time when im not on the bench
Post by: Sabotloader on June 14, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
Mine gose pop bang with triple 7 ever time with any other powder it just gos bang anyone know y?
T7 is harder to ignite than the others.... Questions? Which rifle? which cap are you using?
If you are using a CVA or Traditions, remember they use the metric system and their flash channels and flash holes are smaller than the American counterparts.
im using cci musket caps and yes it is a traditions evolution. is there other breach plugs with bigger flash holes or anything that u know of that i could try? because it dose shoot a better group with the 777 but i just dont like the pop bang it always makes me pull my shot most of the time when im not on the bench
The only thing I could suggest would be try a different nipple. The problem is that the flash hole in your current nipple is to small to pass enough heat to ignite the T7. Also switching from T7-2f to T7-3f could help as it is a bit easier to ignite.
Look through this thread... when you get to the one I put in with nipple pictures it shows a musket nipple and #11 standing on the post showing the flash hole. Both of these measure right at 0.032" - I would bet your Traditions nipple is tighter at 0.029/0.030 except it would be in metric.
You could take your current nipple to a machine shop have the flash hole measured and drilled out to 0.031/0.032"
Post by: WonkyWapiti on June 15, 2012, 07:49:33 PM
Mine gose pop bang with triple 7 ever time with any other powder it just gos bang anyone know y?
T7 is harder to ignite than the others.... Questions? Which rifle? which cap are you using?
If you are using a CVA or Traditions, remember they use the metric system and their flash channels and flash holes are smaller than the American counterparts.
Post by: Sabotloader on June 15, 2012, 08:16:14 PM
Sabotloader, you're brilliant. I never realized this was the reason why my buddy had issues with his CVA. I just never thought of this but it makes total sense.Mine gose pop bang with triple 7 ever time with any other powder it just gos bang anyone know y?
T7 is harder to ignite than the others.... Questions? Which rifle? which cap are you using?
If you are using a CVA or Traditions, remember they use the metric system and their flash channels and flash holes are smaller than the American counterparts.
Now I would not go that far... and I would also add that measure a CVA flash hole and see what you get before we all get to excited... I do believe a hole of 0.031-2 is the optimum
Post by: longrangekiller on June 17, 2012, 04:18:22 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on June 18, 2012, 02:01:31 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on June 18, 2012, 02:41:43 PM
:yeah:+1 I love the 777 loose powder.
I've heard 777 pellets do not work well with non-209 primers but I'm using loose 777 with no issues.
Post by: Elk whack master on June 18, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on June 20, 2012, 12:30:56 PM
The ones I got, they go off, but they are real weak. I had a couple of misfires on elk and was back at camp and had walked outside the tent to fire off a few caps just checking things. I couldnt tell holding the gun, but when I walked back in the tent the guys asked "Whats the deal with your caps? They arent very loud."
So I opened another tin and tried a few of those. Big difference. Went from the sound of a 22 short to that of a 22 mag.
Sometimes my gun would fire, sometimes just pop a cap.
Re-learned a few lessons on that one.
#1: Never go into a hunt with a new untried batch of anything.
#2: If it aint broke, dont fix it till it is.
CCI #11's have set off every load of 777 powder I've placed in front of one. I've gone through lots of them plastic jugs of the stuff.
Post by: Sabotloader on June 20, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
I hope you are indicating #11 Mag caps.. If you hunt in the really cold - sub freezing you will want the mags...
Post by: Chesapeake on June 20, 2012, 03:17:15 PM
I've used the mag version, but also the standards with never an issue. I hunt SW Washington. Most hunts are in the 40's and wet, with some in the 30's with wet snow.
I've tried most all of it over the years, RWS, CCI, musket, #11, #11mag. Honestly it all worked except the bad tin of the RWS stuff.
Muskets are a bit easier to handle and get on and off the nipple, but the cap holders are much bulkier, and its harder to find a quality made one. Plus they tend to get crushed up in the dispenser in the heat of battle or if the spring catch piece is too stiff. The wing dings just dont make them very friendly to inline dispensers.
I've had the charge fall out of musket caps. Never had that with a #11 yet. But I check them all. Green in a RWS and Salmon colored in a CCI.
#11's have nice little dispensers, they also fit 1 each sealed in a TC spead loader for backup. I say backup cause the one in the cap is harder to put on the nipple than one from a dispenser. They dont crush up in the dispensers.
I've done testing and the gains in velocity between a musket cap and a #11 were minimal. Somewhat less than 100 FPS as I remember.
I carry my dispenser around my neck or tied on my belt and in my pocket and the musket caps didnt handle the sweat and moisture as well as the #11's do.
I change out my caps after every days hunt and put them in a tin marked with a "P" for practice. Each day starts with fresh caps. From then using the practice tin on the range over the years I've found that the #11's survive almost everything I put them through, while the musket caps didnt fare so well. It makes for an interesting data point, though not very scientific or controlled.
Post by: Wacenturion on June 21, 2012, 10:23:02 AM
:yeah:
I've heard 777 pellets do not work well with non-209 primers but I'm using loose 777 with no issues.
Correct, the issue has been with pellets, not loose 777.