Post by: FREDIN on April 16, 2012, 08:01:59 AM
Post by: JLS on April 16, 2012, 08:27:36 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 16, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
days worth of gear to carry or cubic inch desired, internal/external, camo, your build, your price range etc or ill give you the standard answer mystery ranch or kifaru boom :drool:
Post by: brocka on April 16, 2012, 09:28:13 AM
Post by: 75johndeere on April 16, 2012, 09:41:37 AM
I have the Eberlestock Dragonfly, Love it. So versatile and comfortable. Gun scabbard is my favorite part!
I used this pack last year and liked it minus the starting wait of it seems heavy it did really well most of the trip coming out I had 150 pounds in it and it was a pain it held for about 8-9 miles then it somehow shifted to my right and I was never able to fix it. That might have been because I was to tired and sore to care anymore but overall I think its a nice pack plus you can get online and find the for like 310 alot of the time beats the hell out if 700 for a kuiu, mystery ranch (not sure on price if this one) or a kafarui
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Post by: MAVsled on April 16, 2012, 10:26:44 AM
so I purchased the Eberlestock J34, basically a new design on the J104. It was just ok, redesign to make the pack slimmer didn't fit me well across my wide shoulders. but it got the job done but not very comfortably.
picked up a new, in package-plastic Badlands OX on an internet site for less than 3bill$.
Looking forward to this year's back pack adventures. this pack is a bit weighty but the fit feels great with a 40lb sandbag in it. Very similar to the feel of my J104, but with a sturdy alum frame. And bag-compartments can be removed to use as just a freighter frame.
Post by: MichaelJ on April 16, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
If you have an 18"+ Torso check out the Horn Hunter packs. Their full curl or curl combo packs are pretty sweet.
The Kifaru are great as well and pretty much have everything you would want. I just don't have the $ for them or else that'd probably be where I'd spend my $. For their timberline series you're looking at $750 or so. You can buy a new Kuiu Icon 600 for around $650 which while still spendy, is a bit more reasonable. Plus you get the adjustable torso lengths, and I've heard that using the load straps at the bottom can anchor that pivoting hip belt to keep it from rotating too much under 80 lb + loads.
If the MR packs weren't so dang heavy I'd go that route for myself. But if I'm going to spend $600 on a backcountry pack I want it to weight in less than 7 lbs.
Just my opinions here, take 'em for what they're worth.
Mike
Post by: autodink13 on April 16, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
Post by: JLS on April 16, 2012, 11:18:42 AM
I had a really hard time spending four bills on a pack, but after trying out my MR Longbow with some darned heavy loads, I'm sold.
YMMV.
Post by: kentrek on April 16, 2012, 11:41:24 AM
Post by: Cascader74 on April 16, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Post by: alecvg on April 17, 2012, 10:14:25 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on April 18, 2012, 09:02:55 AM
But heading in 6-12 miles and living out of your pack is when I'm going to opt for the lighter pack. There are a few packs out there that are light and durable.
I have the mentality of trying to shave off ounces out of my pack, and if I can start with a platform that is already 4 lbs ahead, well than I'm that much more mobile. Just my .02
Mike
Post by: westside Elkhunter on April 18, 2012, 09:18:27 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 18, 2012, 09:34:58 AM
used my day pack the last couple times out and it does not have them, sucks!
Post by: Cascader74 on April 19, 2012, 12:20:51 AM
Post by: Miles on April 19, 2012, 12:57:53 AM
If you're covering lots of ground without trails, that 50lbs can be a pain. Try bushwacking through brush on a steep hillside and see how fast you tire with 50+ lbs on your back. Hiking up/down a well groomed hiking trail with a 50lb pack, piece of cake.
People count ounces, because ounces add up to pounds, and pounds slow you down and require more effort/energy on your part to do the same amount of "work". What one "can do" and what one "would rather do" are often on completely different ends of the spectrum.
Can't argue with the importance of being in shape, but wouldn't it be great to be in shape AND cut your pack weight by 10-15 pounds? That's why people count ounces, not because they would rather avoid getting "in shape".
Post by: MichaelJ on April 19, 2012, 07:53:04 AM
Depends on what type of hunting you're doing...
If you're covering lots of ground without trails, that 50lbs can be a pain. Try bushwacking through brush on a steep hillside and see how fast you tire with 50+ lbs on your back. Hiking up/down a well groomed hiking trail with a 50lb pack, piece of cake.
People count ounces, because ounces add up to pounds, and pounds slow you down and require more effort/energy on your part to do the same amount of "work". What one "can do" and what one "would rather do" are often on completely different ends of the spectrum.
Can't argue with the importance of being in shape, but wouldn't it be great to be in shape AND cut your pack weight by 10-15 pounds? That's why people count ounces, not because they would rather avoid getting "in shape".
Couldn't of said it better... I'm already a lean guy at 5'11" 165 lbs. I just want to maximize my time in the field. And its pretty simple to know that you burn less calories with less weight. This equals more energy reserves.
As far as packing out weight, I don't worry about it much as I have a single destination in mind. I never know how far or where I'll end up while actually hunting. If you could trade your 50 lbs for my 36 lbs, would you?
Mike
Post by: GoPlayOutside on April 19, 2012, 08:49:04 PM
For short trips (2 days) high country, I use my Badlands and go pretty minimal.
However, for anything 3 days and over, I go with my Gregory Baltoro (hiking pack).
I have found that the Hiking Companies have had many decades to perfect the pack needed to take gear on extended trips, with comfort. The hunting pack companies keep trying to come up with new gimmics to appeal to the hunting community, and typically they aren't as good, and are heavier. :twocents:
Post by: GoPlayOutside on April 19, 2012, 08:54:23 PM
I've hiked and climbed all over the world. As I think back to every extended trip I've ever been on, from Rainier to Everest, I have never seen one person use a Hunting type/brand pack to take up the Mountain.
That's why I typically use the Hiking Pack, and then manufacture a scabbard or bow hook system to mount to it.
Post by: deerslyr on April 19, 2012, 09:34:19 PM
Post by: 7mag. on April 19, 2012, 09:41:52 PM
Any one have experience with the tenzing line of packs? Looks like some good stuff for the same price as competitors.
I doubt you will find anyone who has used one, because they aren't for sale until next month. You can't even order one yet.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 19, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
Any one have experience with the tenzing line of packs? Looks like some good stuff for the same price as competitors.
There is a review on rockslide.com They got a few to try out given they are a site sponsor over there.
Post by: Benny on April 19, 2012, 10:14:45 PM
I have found that the Hiking Companies have had many decades to perfect the pack needed to take gear on extended trips, with comfort.
There is a huge difference though. Those packs are designed for approaches and summits with 50lbs....not pack outs with 150lbs. The first mountaneering pack that can haul 150lbs comfortably I will buy on the spot. There is a starting weight sacrifice for the ability to haul heavy loads. Timberlines may be swinging that sacrifice but there is still a little proving to be done with that new line IMO.
Post by: JCKILLSHOT on April 19, 2012, 10:21:43 PM
Post by: deerslyr on April 20, 2012, 04:26:52 AM
Any one have experience with the tenzing line of packs? Looks like some good stuff for the same price as competitors.
There is a review on rockslide.com They got a few to try out given they are a site sponsor over there.
:tup:
Post by: shanevg on April 20, 2012, 10:08:25 PM
I have found that the Hiking Companies have had many decades to perfect the pack needed to take gear on extended trips, with comfort.
There is a huge difference though. Those packs are designed for approaches and summits with 50lbs....not pack outs with 150lbs. The first mountaneering pack that can haul 150lbs comfortably I will buy on the spot. There is a starting weight sacrifice for the ability to haul heavy loads. Timberlines may be swinging that sacrifice but there is still a little proving to be done with that new line IMO.
I was going to saythey same thing. I'm all for buying hiking gear for hunting. As a member of Mountain Rescue I get ProDeal on a lot of gear and I'm certainly not going to pay extra just to get it in camo. The one thing I do go with a huntjng conpany on is the pack. I started out with a REi pack that served me well through the years but eventually the heavy loads caught up with it and it just fell apart. I then got a GoLite pinnacle pack that comes in at less than 2 pounds. It is a great pack but it just can't haul a load of meat well. (I did pack out an 85lb load last year but would prefer not to do that again.). There is something to be said about being designed to carry the weight. This year i got a Sitka 45 so we'll see how it works.
Post by: JCKILLSHOT on April 20, 2012, 10:12:21 PM
Post by: losdaddy7 on April 21, 2012, 11:08:27 AM
Post by: FREDIN on April 22, 2012, 07:00:14 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 23, 2012, 12:42:36 AM
Depends on what type of hunting you're doing...
If you're covering lots of ground without trails, that 50lbs can be a pain. Try bushwacking through brush on a steep hillside and see how fast you tire with 50+ lbs on your back. Hiking up/down a well groomed hiking trail with a 50lb pack, piece of cake.
People count ounces, because ounces add up to pounds, and pounds slow you down and require more effort/energy on your part to do the same amount of "work". What one "can do" and what one "would rather do" are often on completely different ends of the spectrum.
Can't argue with the importance of being in shape, but wouldn't it be great to be in shape AND cut your pack weight by 10-15 pounds? That's why people count ounces, not because they would rather avoid getting "in shape".
yup..Exactly why u cut ounces on every item possible and it can add up in a hurry!
Post by: RadSav on April 23, 2012, 04:22:17 AM
Doesn't tenzing make rims and car parts or is that a totally different company?
Jay Roberts of Tenzing was a partner in Blacks Creek Guide Gear. Tenzing as I understand it is his break away company. Product line should have a lot of similarities with the old Blacks Creek GG we all know.
Blacks Creek will now be something like R7 Gear if I remember correctly. It will be made in the USA no more imports!!. For you ATV and Horse hunters this new BC line has some really cool stuff!!! Jay will have no involvement in that.
Post by: GoPlayOutside on April 24, 2012, 06:18:42 PM
Post by: klickman on April 24, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
KLICKMAN
Post by: MichaelJ on April 25, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
If you are looking for a quality pack that you can put some weight in and not have to worry about any failures, go with Barney's. Best pack out there. Spendy but worth every penny.
KLICKMAN
Only thing I don't like about them is I don't know where to find one to try it on!
Mike
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 25, 2012, 10:26:00 AM
Only thing I don't like about them is I don't know where to find one to try it on!theyre also awfuly bulky, same with the bullpac. seems way to big too be used alot of places here in WA
Mike
Post by: klickman on April 25, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
If you are looking for a quality pack that you can put some weight in and not have to worry about any failures, go with Barney's. Best pack out there. Spendy but worth every penny.
KLICKMAN
Only thing I don't like about them is I don't know where to find one to try it on!
Mike
Yep tough to find. Unless you are in Anchorage. Just another reason to head up to AK this year. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
KLICKMAN
Post by: deadyote on April 26, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Post by: Branden on April 26, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
If you are looking for a quality pack that you can put some weight in and not have to worry about any failures, go with Barney's. Best pack out there. Spendy but worth every penny.
KLICKMAN
Only thing I don't like about them is I don't know where to find one to try it on!
Mike
I can let you try mine in a week or two if you would like
Post by: MichaelJ on April 26, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Mike
Post by: Branden on April 26, 2012, 11:34:36 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on April 27, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
Mike
Post by: slim9300 on April 27, 2012, 10:01:56 PM
http://www.kifaru.net/timberline.html (http://www.kifaru.net/timberline.html)
Here are some pictures in daypack mode with a days worth of gear for scouting.
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Post by: Swannytheswan on April 27, 2012, 10:19:22 PM
http://www.wildernesspacks.com/big-horn-combo
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 28, 2012, 10:05:01 AM
I tried the wilderness pack at the sportsman show and i really liked it i hope to get the Bighorn combo for this year. It makes heavy weight seem alot lighterthats what i run and for the $ i think its top of the heep (less than $400) I've had up to 115lbs on mine and regularly pack 75 with it.
http://www.wildernesspacks.com/big-horn-combo
i recently sent mine back for some mods and if you decide to order pm me before and ill tell you about it that way if you agree you could have them to before its shipped.
Post by: 7mag. on April 29, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
Post by: Branden on April 30, 2012, 12:12:59 AM
If you guys want the best hunting pack on the face of the planet you should check out the Kifaru Timberline. I have the Timberline 1 with the standard suspension and 26" stays (7200 cu. inches and weighing 5 lbs. 10 ounces). It will carry 100 lbs. better than anything and packs down to nothing in daypack mode. I fully expect to have this pack for the rest of my life. It has served me very well since last October as it is 4/4 on successful hunts. As a matter of fact, I own the first production Timberline ever made and I have never regretted the expense.
I have to disagree a little. It might be the best hunting pack for you, but I didn't like it as much as my Barney Pinnacle. It can't handle the weight that the Barney can as comfortably for me. Also, there is a reason they made the timberline bags to fit the duplex frame. Because the duplex can handle more weight then just the regular timberline. I do think they are great packs, just not #1 in every category.
Glad you like it. Its always nice to get your moneys worth out of expensive gear :tup:
Post by: slim9300 on April 30, 2012, 08:50:42 AM
If you guys want the best hunting pack on the face of the planet you should check out the Kifaru Timberline. I have the Timberline 1 with the standard suspension and 26" stays (7200 cu. inches and weighing 5 lbs. 10 ounces). It will carry 100 lbs. better than anything and packs down to nothing in daypack mode. I fully expect to have this pack for the rest of my life. It has served me very well since last October as it is 4/4 on successful hunts. As a matter of fact, I own the first production Timberline ever made and I have never regretted the expense.
I have to disagree a little. It might be the best hunting pack for you, but I didn't like it as much as my Barney Pinnacle. It can't handle the weight that the Barney can as comfortably for me. Also, there is a reason they made the timberline bags to fit the duplex frame. Because the duplex can handle more weight then just the regular timberline. I do think they are great packs, just not #1 in every category.
Glad you like it. Its always nice to get your moneys worth out of expensive gear :tup:
I think they put it on the duplex frame to deal with the "problem" of barreling. But that is why I prefer a large pack in the first place (7000+ cu in). I never need to stuff my pack tightly, even with large amounts of meat.
What are the specs of your Pinnacle? Maybe I will give one a try.
Nevermind. I just looked at the pack. It now makes sense why it carries a heavy load better. If I was a rifle hunter I would be okay with using an alloy/metal external framed pack (I currently own two of them), but being a bowhunter, it's a no go. I need something that packs down small as a daypack and can carry the heavy loads. I never drop my pack on a stalk (unless it's full).
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Post by: slim9300 on April 30, 2012, 09:55:56 AM
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Post by: MichaelJ on April 30, 2012, 12:06:42 PM
I tried the wilderness pack at the sportsman show and i really liked it i hope to get the Bighorn combo for this year. It makes heavy weight seem alot lighter
http://www.wildernesspacks.com/big-horn-combo
I'd rock that system if they only had a torso adjustment. I'm running right around 17" at 6'0" and most packs out there simply will not fit me correctly with anything more than 40 lbs in there.
Mike
Post by: dreamingbig on April 30, 2012, 12:16:07 PM
Post by: slim9300 on April 30, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
I have a Kifaru Duplex frame with cargo panel coming. I spent a lot of time researching it before finally pulling the trigger. If I like the fit I will probably order a DT3 bag for it.
You will be happy. Kifaru makes top notch gear.
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Post by: fillthefreezer on April 30, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
I'd rock that system if they only had a torso adjustment. I'm running right around 17" at 6'0" and most packs out there simply will not fit me correctly with anything more than 40 lbs in there.there is some torso adjustment in that the shoulder straps have about 1" of mounting options and the straps have rear cinches to bring the shoulder peak lower...
Mike
Post by: kentrek on April 30, 2012, 02:07:16 PM
I'd rock that system if they only had a torso adjustment. I'm running right around 17" at 6'0" and most packs out there simply will not fit me correctly with anything more than 40 lbs in there.there is some torso adjustment in that the shoulder straps have about 1" of mounting options and the straps have rear cinches to bring the shoulder peak lower...
Mike
:yeah: my cuzn is six five and around 250 #s and he loved it while taking turns packing a quarter out
Post by: bonkellekter on April 30, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
I tried the wilderness pack at the sportsman show and i really liked it i hope to get the Bighorn combo for this year. It makes heavy weight seem alot lighterthats what i run and for the $ i think its top of the heep (less than $400) I've had up to 115lbs on mine and regularly pack 75 with it.
http://www.wildernesspacks.com/big-horn-combo
i recently sent mine back for some mods and if you decide to order pm me before and ill tell you about it that way if you agree you could have them to before its shipped.
I will be ordering this setup in the next couple of weeks and would greatly appreciate the details and reasons for the mods ... If you have time please PM me the details - Thanks
Post by: Branden on May 01, 2012, 07:55:39 PM
I forgot to mention. I had Kifaru build me some custom aluminum stays for my Timberline. I needed more bend in the upper back. The difference between my current stays and the factory bend in the carbon stays is night and day. I can now carry very heavy loads without any pressure or rubbing on my upper back.
Curious what are the heaviest loads and how far you had to pack them? I really wanted to like the pack, but I just couldn't see myself using the Timberline over my Barney. I use the Barney rifle and archery and never had a problem. I do like the thought of a narrower pack, and a lighter weight pack. The timberline is about the same weight as the barney when you add the xtl lid.
I like the T3 for a deer hunting pack. I think I could get all my gear and a boned deer in it/on it. Its small and pretty lightweight. I was hoping the T1 would be a do all for deer and elk, but I can't pack as much weight with it as I can with the pinnacle for elk hunting. And since I wouldn't use it for elk since I can't pack a full load, I would rather have a smaller pack for deer.
I am going to be in Colorado a few times this year, and hopefully I will have time to stop in and try on a lot of the Kifaru packs.
Post by: slim9300 on May 02, 2012, 07:58:50 AM
I forgot to mention. I had Kifaru build me some custom aluminum stays for my Timberline. I needed more bend in the upper back. The difference between my current stays and the factory bend in the carbon stays is night and day. I can now carry very heavy loads without any pressure or rubbing on my upper back.
Curious what are the heaviest loads and how far you had to pack them? I really wanted to like the pack, but I just couldn't see myself using the Timberline over my Barney. I use the Barney rifle and archery and never had a problem. I do like the thought of a narrower pack, and a lighter weight pack. The timberline is about the same weight as the barney when you add the xtl lid.
I like the T3 for a deer hunting pack. I think I could get all my gear and a boned deer in it/on it. Its small and pretty lightweight. I was hoping the T1 would be a do all for deer and elk, but I can't pack as much weight with it as I can with the pinnacle for elk hunting. And since I wouldn't use it for elk since I can't pack a full load, I would rather have a smaller pack for deer.
I am going to be in Colorado a few times this year, and hopefully I will have time to stop in and try on a lot of the Kifaru packs.
The Timberline took me awhile to get adjusted correctly and be comfortable with. That included changing out the stays and being very particular about how I packed my bag. Once you figure it out it's comfortable with heavy loads.
I packed a couple 100 lb. loads last year a pretty significant distance. I hadn't received my T1 in September for my MT elk hunt and ended up using my Blue Widow. (keep in mind I am 6' 2" and 175 lbs. with a 21" torso, but due to how skinny I am the shoulder straps tighten almost all the way down allowing the load lifters to function somewhat about 1" above my shoulders) We killed two bulls 30 seconds apart and ended up having to pack them out "whole" to the truck with our gear on two trips. The distance was 7 miles one way (5 with no trail). I train a lot for the weight so I carried 100 lbs. of boned out meat and gear and my partner who is 6' 2" and 200 lbs. carried 110. I was oddly very comfortable with not a single hot spot but like I said I train daily with 80 lbs. on my back for two miles from June through early Sept. After taking all the meat back to our basecamp that same day (now 5 miles from the truck) to cool overnight, we woke up early the next morning and broke camp. We spent the rest of the day packing two separate 100+ lb. loads to the truck. I was tired at the end but feeling surprisingly good for the first mile out of camp being straight up 1500 ft. The point is that my Timberline carries much better than my BW and 100 lbs. is all I have the desire to carry beyond a mile or two at me weighing in at 175 lbs (actually I was down to 155 when I got home from that trip).
The T1 carried my entire 3x2 Blacktail (minus the guts) about 1.5 miles this year with all my gear strapped to the outside. That pack weighed easily 120 lbs. The pack also carried 2 eastern MT mule deer out with gear in November. (probably only 60 lb. loads though)
I have a couple AK Outfitter frames/packs that carry weight better than anything on earth (weighing in at 11 lbs.), but when I can be comfortable with something much lighter and more oriented for being a daypack once I am back in many miles, I found I far prefer this method. I love the idea of having my "hauling" pack right there with me at all times, yet having the feeling of having my Badlands Superday on my back when stalking. I won't disagree that there is surely some sacrifice when leaving an external frame pack to go with the T1 carrying the same heavy loads. Thankfully there is no actual pain. ;)
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Post by: kentrek on May 02, 2012, 11:28:45 AM
I forgot to mention. I had Kifaru build me some custom aluminum stays for my Timberline. I needed more bend in the upper back. The difference between my current stays and the factory bend in the carbon stays is night and day. I can now carry very heavy loads without any pressure or rubbing on my upper back.
Curious what are the heaviest loads and how far you had to pack them? I really wanted to like the pack, but I just couldn't see myself using the Timberline over my Barney. I use the Barney rifle and archery and never had a problem. I do like the thought of a narrower pack, and a lighter weight pack. The timberline is about the same weight as the barney when you add the xtl lid.
I like the T3 for a deer hunting pack. I think I could get all my gear and a boned deer in it/on it. Its small and pretty lightweight. I was hoping the T1 would be a do all for deer and elk, but I can't pack as much weight with it as I can with the pinnacle for elk hunting. And since I wouldn't use it for elk since I can't pack a full load, I would rather have a smaller pack for deer.
I am going to be in Colorado a few times this year, and hopefully I will have time to stop in and try on a lot of the Kifaru packs.
so with the elk hunt was that one whole elk on each of you or half an elk and you made another trip in for the other elk ?
Post by: slim9300 on May 02, 2012, 01:03:04 PM
I forgot to mention. I had Kifaru build me some custom aluminum stays for my Timberline. I needed more bend in the upper back. The difference between my current stays and the factory bend in the carbon stays is night and day. I can now carry very heavy loads without any pressure or rubbing on my upper back.
Curious what are the heaviest loads and how far you had to pack them? I really wanted to like the pack, but I just couldn't see myself using the Timberline over my Barney. I use the Barney rifle and archery and never had a problem. I do like the thought of a narrower pack, and a lighter weight pack. The timberline is about the same weight as the barney when you add the xtl lid.
I like the T3 for a deer hunting pack. I think I could get all my gear and a boned deer in it/on it. Its small and pretty lightweight. I was hoping the T1 would be a do all for deer and elk, but I can't pack as much weight with it as I can with the pinnacle for elk hunting. And since I wouldn't use it for elk since I can't pack a full load, I would rather have a smaller pack for deer.
I am going to be in Colorado a few times this year, and hopefully I will have time to stop in and try on a lot of the Kifaru packs.
so with the elk hunt was that one whole elk on each of you or half an elk and you made another trip in for the other elk ?
He took half an elk and I took the other half on each trip. Two trips and two elk taken out with gear. I'm no Aron Snider (aka ElkReaper) ;)
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Post by: kentrek on May 02, 2012, 01:39:40 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on May 02, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on May 02, 2012, 02:04:07 PM
Our back county hunting party party consist of 1 Eberlestock - the Just one model and 4 Badlands 2800's. We all pack in 7 miles for a 4 day spike camp (return to re-supply). Both models have never failed, are semi comfortable ...........(its the pack out that kills and any pack out with heavy load of 100+ is a serious hurt locker) though the loads are well balanced and well supported on your hips. I like the warrenty of both models.typically you need the warranty when youre rockin packs made in vietnam... :twocents:
Post by: Broken Arrow on May 02, 2012, 02:08:50 PM
Post by: Branden on May 02, 2012, 04:43:50 PM
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
Post by: kentrek on May 02, 2012, 05:10:03 PM
Slim thanks for the info.
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
next year after i whack one il have to have you come show me how you do it..all the way to the rig please :chuckle:
with the average elk having 200 pounds of boned out meat i dont think il be having a full elk on my back anytime soon.
you must make a great hunting partner :tup:
Post by: washelkhunter on May 02, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
What?
Post by: BLUEBULLS on May 02, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
What?
:yeah:
Post by: Branden on May 02, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
next year after i whack one il have to have you come show me how you do it..all the way to the rig please :chuckle:
with the average elk having 200 pounds of boned out meat i dont think il be having a full elk on my back anytime soon.
you must make a great hunting partner :tup:
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
What?
:yeah:
You guys can believe it or not, doesn't matter to me. It is possible and it does happen. The last bull I killed was a little over 460 lbs of boned meat, cape, head, and antlers. Obviously not a one trip bull.
Post by: slim9300 on May 02, 2012, 05:43:31 PM
Slim thanks for the info.
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
next year after i whack one il have to have you come show me how you do it..all the way to the rig please :chuckle:
with the average elk having 200 pounds of boned out meat i dont think il be having a full elk on my back anytime soon.
you must make a great hunting partner :tup:
I have actually found that an average mature Rocky Mountain bull in MT yields more like 160-175 lbs. of boned out meat. But they are much smaller than the Roosevelts I'm used to packing on the Westside and MT does not require you to take rib or flank meat.
ElkReaper (Aron Snider) packs his elk out whole but the man is a beast. He packed more than a couple last year with his T1.
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Post by: kentrek on May 02, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
Slim thanks for the info.
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
next year after i whack one il have to have you come show me how you do it..all the way to the rig please :chuckle:
with the average elk having 200 pounds of boned out meat i dont think il be having a full elk on my back anytime soon.
you must make a great hunting partner :tup:
I have actually found that an average mature Rocky Mountain bull in MT yields more like 160-175 lbs. of boned out meat. But they are much smaller than the Roosevelts I'm used to packing on the Westside and MT does not require you to take rib or flank meat.
ElkReaper (Aron Snider) packs his elk out whole but the man is a beast. He packed more than a couple last year with his T1.
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175 or 200 you can still count me out for that kind of haul..also...lets play with some numbers.. 165/4=41.5 pounds per quarter elk(of boned out meat). In Idaho unit 15,we typically get 30-45 pounds of meat off a mature bulls(4.5 year olds and higher) neck alone.
elk in different areas weigh different and it all depends how you dice em up :tup:
Post by: Branden on May 02, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
elk in different areas weigh different and it all depends how you dice em up :tup:
I agree, I think the area/state makes a huge difference on how big the body is going to be.
Kind of like deer. Texas a lot of bucks are pretty small body size, compared to Saskatchewan where they get some huge bodied deer. Same with California compared to Washington blacktails.
Post by: JLS on May 04, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
I really like my MR Longbow. I've done a few hikes with it loaded up heavy and no hotspots afterwards.
Post by: slim9300 on May 04, 2012, 12:02:10 PM
Slim thanks for the info.
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
next year after i whack one il have to have you come show me how you do it..all the way to the rig please :chuckle:
with the average elk having 200 pounds of boned out meat i dont think il be having a full elk on my back anytime soon.
you must make a great hunting partner :tup:
I have actually found that an average mature Rocky Mountain bull in MT yields more like 160-175 lbs. of boned out meat. But they are much smaller than the Roosevelts I'm used to packing on the Westside and MT does not require you to take rib or flank meat.
ElkReaper (Aron Snider) packs his elk out whole but the man is a beast. He packed more than a couple last year with his T1.
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175 or 200 you can still count me out for that kind of haul..also...lets play with some numbers.. 165/4=41.5 pounds per quarter elk(of boned out meat). In Idaho unit 15,we typically get 30-45 pounds of meat off a mature bulls(4.5 year olds and higher) neck alone.
elk in different areas weigh different and it all depends how you dice em up :tup:
Exactly. But my spike and my partner's 5 point weren't to bad of packs when it comes to weight. If I recall correctly we got about 120 lbs. of meat from the spike and 150 from the 5x4. The meat was tasty and once the packing began I was thankful to not have arrowed a mature bull. ;)
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Post by: BLUEBULLS on May 04, 2012, 12:13:22 PM
next year after i whack one il have to have you come show me how you do it..all the way to the rig please :chuckle:
with the average elk having 200 pounds of boned out meat i dont think il be having a full elk on my back anytime soon.
you must make a great hunting partner :tup:
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
What?
:yeah:
You guys can believe it or not, doesn't matter to me. It is possible and it does happen. The last bull I killed was a little over 460 lbs of boned meat, cape, head, and antlers. Obviously not a one trip bull.
I guess it would make a difference how far of a pack out we're talking. Also I assumed we were talking mature WA bulls. I guess I could pack a spike out a short distance.
Post by: Johnb317 on May 04, 2012, 12:36:18 PM
I use a Eberlestock x2? switch to a meat pack after the first load!
Post by: RadSav on May 04, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
Kentrek, it is possible to pack an entire bull out in one load. That is one reason I didn't keep the T1. Because I don't think I could do it with that pack, when I can with the Barney.
What?
:yeah:
You guys can believe it or not, doesn't matter to me. It is possible and it does happen. The last bull I killed was a little over 460 lbs of boned meat, cape, head, and antlers. Obviously not a one trip bull.
I believe it!!! My buddy Larry packed this one out whole :chuckle:
Post by: MichaelJ on May 06, 2012, 10:30:32 PM
Know more than a few people who have taken out an entire bull in two trips. My roommate who is 5'11" and 180 lbs packed his Idaho bull last year in two trips in one day using his MR crewcab. This was in unit 19 and was 5 miles in on a trail then bushwacked 2 miles off the trail. Was a nice big 5x5 bull. This is with everything including camp for 5 days and rifle+gear. He's not that big of a guy but is a sawyer on a hotshot fire crew so every fall he is in phenomenal shape.
I myself am limited to far less than 1 elk per trip that is for sure! If you are in a state that doesn't require the taking of neck/flank meat it'll make a BIG difference and I would see it being doable. Especially if you take your time and really trim off a lot of the garbage off the quarters. I'm always amazed at home much meat I actually cut/wrap vs. packout!
Mike
Post by: Branden on May 06, 2012, 11:22:48 PM
I guess it would make a difference how far of a pack out we're talking. Also I assumed we were talking mature WA bulls. I guess I could pack a spike out a short distance.
The bull I packed out was a 283" 6x6 from Colorado. Sorry to lead you to believe it was something else. The terrain I hunted there is a lot like the Wenaha. It was in about 4 miles, so not very far. Coming out of the bottom was pretty slow lol
Post by: Branden on May 06, 2012, 11:24:36 PM
I believe it!!! My buddy Larry packed this one out whole :chuckle:
We are talking bulls, so I will need you to lift that branch up so we can see if you are talking apples to apples ;)
Post by: RadSav on May 07, 2012, 01:08:05 AM
I believe it!!! My buddy Larry packed this one out whole :chuckle:
We are talking bulls, so I will need you to lift that branch up so we can see if you are talking apples to apples ;)
Acorns to Acorns for sure :tup:
Way back in my youth my hunting partner Channon and I took a large 7X7 and a spike with our bows about five miles into the Eagle Caps. Each of us had a Peak1 pack frame with just the Kathy Kelly fanny pack attached. No game bags as each had thought the other brought them. The two bulls each died within 50 yards of one another. We boned out the shoulders and the hind quarters and stuffed all the meat into the ribcage like a meat bucket and packed them both out whole. Not sure what the total weight was of each pack, but it was a good thing we were just off a major horse trail or I'd have never made it as far as I did. Channon made it to the truck dumped his load and then came back and took mine the last 1/4 mile or so. So I do believe young guys not so right in the head who say it can be done. Even with packs and boots that are not nearly as good as what we have today.
Would I ever do it again? Hell No!! Both our bodies broke down at early ages. Have to wonder if our youthful enthusiasm and brawn over brains attitudes didn't have something to do with it. 15 miles of hiking with two five mile trips at more than 50% less weight would have been much smarter and probably much easier. The wife and I did it that way with a 4X4 and a cow a few years back. This time only 1 mile uphill and with no bones and good packs. She's no Channon when it comes to packing and we were both over 40. However, it was so much better!!
At least I was 1/4 mile from being a bad ass once in my life. And heck, back surgery, knee surgery and hernia surgery wasn't all that bad. Everyone should try it once.
Post by: huntnnw on May 07, 2012, 02:34:44 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 07, 2012, 07:14:31 AM
Post by: colockumelk on May 07, 2012, 07:29:44 AM
Anyone who can pack a 200 pound load is tougher than me.
I really like my MR Longbow. I've done a few hikes with it loaded up heavy and no hotspots afterwards.
:yeah:
I have been doing 2-4 mile training hikes with 90lbs with my Longbow and it carries it more comfortably than any pack I've tried. Not saying its the best but it is definately awesome. I also don't think you could get a better layout as fat as pockets goes for a day pack.
For wilderness hunts, if you bought the day lid and two side pockets you could easily get 4-5 days from this pack. And have the ability to carry every piece of gear you brought and as much meat as you can physically carry all at the same time.
Post by: dreamingbig on May 07, 2012, 07:48:27 AM
I am waiting on my Kifaru duplex frame and cargo panel. It should show up in early June. I have the Eberlestock x2 for day hunts but I don't like how it feels with heavy weight for long periods. I did 12 miles with 60 lbs in it wasn't super uncomfortable but not what the best either. It feels great with 25 lbs of day hunt/survival gear in it and can still take the first meat load.
Post by: huntingalways on May 07, 2012, 01:49:31 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on May 07, 2012, 04:10:47 PM
I have 3-10 day backpack hunted for 10 years from Alaska Dull sheep to Elk and Sheep in Montana which is where I'm from. through the years I've packed animals on every hunt using mystery ranch, badlands 2800, badlands 4500, and right now I've been using the Badlands Ox for the last 2 years-. Yes it is a little heavy but. when I de-bone the meat the ox frame gives stability and keeps the meat from shifting left to right. this is the pack for me, and as long as your waist is no smaller than a 30 it could be the pack for you.
And you're torso is longer than 18"...
I have been doing 2-4 mile training hikes with 90lbs with my Longbow and it carries it more comfortably than any pack I've tried. Not saying its the best but it is definately awesome. I also don't think you could get a better layout as fat as pockets goes for a day pack.
For wilderness hunts, if you bought the day lid and two side pockets you could easily get 4-5 days from this pack. And have the ability to carry every piece of gear you brought and as much meat as you can physically carry all at the same time.
Do you have any pictures of the two side pockets and day lid on the longbow? what would the total weight and cubic inches be on this pack with that combo?
Mike
Post by: deerslyr on May 07, 2012, 07:48:37 PM
http://www.eastmans.com/forum/showthread.php/2635-Pack-Frame-BadLands-2200-Hybrid
It works well and is very easy to connect and disconnect. Saved me some a bunch of money as well. We'll see how it does this season.
Post by: colockumelk on May 07, 2012, 09:04:54 PM
I have 3-10 day backpack hunted for 10 years from Alaska Dull sheep to Elk and Sheep in Montana which is where I'm from. through the years I've packed animals on every hunt using mystery ranch, badlands 2800, badlands 4500, and right now I've been using the Badlands Ox for the last 2 years-. Yes it is a little heavy but. when I de-bone the meat the ox frame gives stability and keeps the meat from shifting left to right. this is the pack for me, and as long as your waist is no smaller than a 30 it could be the pack for you.
And you're torso is longer than 18"...I have been doing 2-4 mile training hikes with 90lbs with my Longbow and it carries it more comfortably than any pack I've tried. Not saying its the best but it is definately awesome. I also don't think you could get a better layout as fat as pockets goes for a day pack.
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For wilderness hunts, if you bought the day lid and two side pockets you could easily get 4-5 days from this pack. And have the ability to carry every piece of gear you brought and as much meat as you can physically carry all at the same time.
Do you have any pictures of the two side pockets and day lid on the longbow? what would the total weight and cubic inches be on this pack with that combo?
Mike
Mike I don't have the day pack lid (900 ci) or the side pockets ( 300 or 400 ci each). But I'll post a couple of threads that do have it. But to answer your question. The bag and frame is 2400 ci and weighs 6lbs 8oz. If you add the day pack lid and two side pockets the combo would be 4100 ci, and would weigh 8lb 7oz. Here's a couple of threads with good info about the pack.
Here's two reviews on it from Aron Snyder aka Elk Reaper.
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=384308&forum=5 (http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=384308&forum=5)
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=382873&forum=5 (http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=382873&forum=5)
Here's a thread that shows a bunch of differe.t pictures of guys packing out loads with the longbow.
http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=248785 (http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=248785)
Hope these threads help out.
Post by: MichaelJ on May 07, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
Right now I am looking at the Kuiu Icon 6000, MR Longbow (with option to add 6500 down the road), or the Kifaru T1 (though I'm not sure I would justify the price...)
Biggest things for myself is the need to swap out packs on the MR packs if going more than 2-3 days and then I'm with a 9.5 lb pack starting weight which I really don't want.
The Icon 6000 I've heard great things about, from being able to daypack it, to multiday trips with being able to haul meat out. People say they don't like the pivoting hip belt at 80+lb loads. Though I've heard that they haven't had the compression straps on the hip belt strapped down properly in this case.
Kifaru is probably what I would go for, but with buying their "grab it" and other bag accessories, it'll come out to almost $1k which for a pack is just insane on my current budget.
Gotta love these kind of problems eh? ;) Right now I'm leaning towards the Kuiu, though who knows what'll happen?
Mike
Post by: JLS on May 08, 2012, 09:08:11 AM
Are you doing more early season or late season hunting? If you are early season hunting, you will find the Longbow is capable of more than 2-3 days. I plan on using mine mostly for archery hunting. I can fit all of my gear and clothes in the bag itself. I will lash my food on the sides using the compression straps with the food packed in game bags. Get to camp, hang food, hunt.
If you are trying to do later season hunts, this probably wouldn't work for the extended periods I will be able to use it for.
The Kifarus look nice, but I couldn't justify the coin either.
Good luck in your search.
Post by: MichaelJ on May 08, 2012, 09:57:50 AM
Michael,
Are you doing more early season or late season hunting? If you are early season hunting, you will find the Longbow is capable of more than 2-3 days. I plan on using mine mostly for archery hunting. I can fit all of my gear and clothes in the bag itself. I will lash my food on the sides using the compression straps with the food packed in game bags. Get to camp, hang food, hunt.
If you are trying to do later season hunts, this probably wouldn't work for the extended periods I will be able to use it for.
The Kifarus look nice, but I couldn't justify the coin either.
Good luck in your search.
All my backpacking multi night trips will probably be done august/september... However I don't think I could do 5 days out of the pack. I have good lightweight, compressable gear just not sure if I could do more than 2-3 days. Does the daypack lid clip into designated buckles like on the 6500/CC? I'm thinking that if I could add the daypack lid, and two large verticle stuff sacks on either side/bottom then I would be good to go kind of like Colockum is saying... But at that point you're back at an 8.5 lb pack. I was really hoping for something in the sub 7 lb range though I guess once you get to camp that dropping off the extra sacks/toplid would drop the weight back down... That kuiu is looking pretty tempting as well though...
Mike
Post by: Benny on May 08, 2012, 10:20:23 AM
Not knocking the LB or CC as I own both and use all three. Just my experience.
Post by: JLS on May 08, 2012, 10:54:57 AM
I would not disagree with you. My issue came down to price, I found a decent deal on a Longbow and tried it out to make sure it would work for what I want it to.
I plan on adding a 6500 bag later on when funds allow.
If I strictly did backpack hunts right now, I would have saved for the 6500.
Post by: et1702 on May 08, 2012, 11:10:11 AM
Michael,
Are you doing more early season or late season hunting? If you are early season hunting, you will find the Longbow is capable of more than 2-3 days. I plan on using mine mostly for archery hunting. I can fit all of my gear and clothes in the bag itself. I will lash my food on the sides using the compression straps with the food packed in game bags. Get to camp, hang food, hunt.
If you are trying to do later season hunts, this probably wouldn't work for the extended periods I will be able to use it for.
The Kifarus look nice, but I couldn't justify the coin either.
Good luck in your search.
All my backpacking multi night trips will probably be done august/september... However I don't think I could do 5 days out of the pack. I have good lightweight, compressable gear just not sure if I could do more than 2-3 days. Does the daypack lid clip into designated buckles like on the 6500/CC? I'm thinking that if I could add the daypack lid, and two large verticle stuff sacks on either side/bottom then I would be good to go kind of like Colockum is saying... But at that point you're back at an 8.5 lb pack. I was really hoping for something in the sub 7 lb range though I guess once you get to camp that dropping off the extra sacks/toplid would drop the weight back down... That kuiu is looking pretty tempting as well though...
Mike
Just got an e-mail this morning, the Kuiu packs are 40% off right now for the Icon 3000 or 6000. Frame is not on sale.
ET
Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 11:20:01 AM
I've seen the review by Aron, good stuff thanks!
Right now I am looking at the Kuiu Icon 6000, MR Longbow (with option to add 6500 down the road), or the Kifaru T1 (though I'm not sure I would justify the price...)
Biggest things for myself is the need to swap out packs on the MR packs if going more than 2-3 days and then I'm with a 9.5 lb pack starting weight which I really don't want.
The Icon 6000 I've heard great things about, from being able to daypack it, to multiday trips with being able to haul meat out. People say they don't like the pivoting hip belt at 80+lb loads. Though I've heard that they haven't had the compression straps on the hip belt strapped down properly in this case.
Kifaru is probably what I would go for, but with buying their "grab it" and other bag accessories, it'll come out to almost $1k which for a pack is just insane on my current budget.
Gotta love these kind of problems eh? ;) Right now I'm leaning towards the Kuiu, though who knows what'll happen?
Mike
Don't go with the Icon. Trust me on this one. The other option is to purchase it and give it a try but make sure you return it before the 30 days are up.
The thing had a perfect bag design minus being a tad fragile at the seams.
The frame is a huge liability. My first pack had a seized bolt for the torso adjustment and it ended up blowing out the carbon channel when I tried to loosen it. Once I finally got the correct replacement (they sent me a 3000 by mistake) I had my first chance to load up the pack. If you only limit yourself to 50 lbs. or less loads you might love the pack. However with anything more than that the lower legs of the frame dig in horribly to your hips through the waist belt. Also, I can't tell you his name but I know of a guy that broke three of the frames in a short period of time while testing it. He may have been pushing the limits of the pack but that's not something I would stake my life on.
On a side note my pops kept his Icon and loves it, but keep in mind he's 57 years old and won't carry over 60 lbs.
My suggestion is pay the extra money and purchase a brown T1. That should run you about $750 with what you want. If I could do it over I would go with brown over the Multicam.
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Post by: MichaelJ on May 08, 2012, 11:26:53 AM
Just got an e-mail this morning, the Kuiu packs are 40% off right now for the Icon 3000 or 6000. Frame is not on sale.
ET
Dang! Just bought new boots too so I'm waiting on more funds for a new pack... How'd you get on the mailing list for these deals?
Don't go with the Icon. Trust me on this one. The other option is to purchase it and give it a try but make sure you return it before the 30 days are up.
The thing had a perfect bag design minus being a tad fragile at the seams.
The frame is a huge liability. My first pack had a seized bolt for the torso adjustment and it ended up blowing out the carbon channel when I tried to loosen it. Once I finally got the correct replacement (they sent me a 3000 by mistake) I had my first chance to load up the pack. If you only limit yourself to 50 lbs. or less loads you might love the pack. However with anything more than that the lower legs of the frame dig in horribly to your hips through the waist belt. Also, I can't tell you his name but I know of a guy that broke three of the frames in a short period of time while testing it. He may have been pushing the limits of the pack but that's not something I would stake my life on.
On a side note my pops kept his Icon and loves it, but keep in mind he's 57 years old and won't carry over 60 lbs.
My suggestion is pay the extra money and purchase a brown T1. That should run you about $750 with what you want. If I could do it over I would go with brown over the Multicam.
I have heard of a few problems with the pack, but I was hoping that they would be only a result of a first year in production... Like their straps slipping under heavy loads, which they've now fixed with heavier webbing. Not glad to hear about this.
I would definitely pick up the MR 6500, but I want to buy a pack that I'll use for years to come and not feel the need to upgrade or buy a different one. Before I started doing backpack hunts I ran a BL2200 for 4 or 5 years and loved that thing and never felt the need for more. Now I do... and buying a pack that weighs in at 9.5 lbs just isn't going to satisfy me. It's probably just mental, but every year I try and buy a few new things to save a lb or two and starting out at 9.5 lbs just isn't going to work...
Mike
Post by: et1702 on May 08, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
Just got an e-mail this morning, the Kuiu packs are 40% off right now for the Icon 3000 or 6000. Frame is not on sale.
ET
Dang! Just bought new boots too so I'm waiting on more funds for a new pack... How'd you get on the mailing list for these deals?
Just go to their home page and enter your e-mail address in the lower right hand corner.
http://www.kuiu.com/
ET
Post by: Houndhunter on May 08, 2012, 12:06:56 PM
as far as packing out a elk in one trip you guys are crazy, one mature elk equals 5 trips for me. approx 90lbs of meat in four packs then the horns and cape in another counts for the 5th.
Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
I have the cabelas outfitter backpack, works great for me. the only problem i have is when im riding a bike with a fully loaded pack it digs into my back. they a bit on the heavy side but very well built and tons of room.
as far as packing out a elk in one trip you guys are crazy, one mature elk equals 5 trips for me. approx 90lbs of meat in four packs then the horns and cape in another counts for the 5th.
Are you saying that you get 360 lbs. of boned out meat from your mature elk? Or is that with the bone?
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Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 01:35:39 PM
Just got an e-mail this morning, the Kuiu packs are 40% off right now for the Icon 3000 or 6000. Frame is not on sale.
ET
Dang! Just bought new boots too so I'm waiting on more funds for a new pack... How'd you get on the mailing list for these deals?
Don't go with the Icon. Trust me on this one. The other option is to purchase it and give it a try but make sure you return it before the 30 days are up.
The thing had a perfect bag design minus being a tad fragile at the seams.
The frame is a huge liability. My first pack had a seized bolt for the torso adjustment and it ended up blowing out the carbon channel when I tried to loosen it. Once I finally got the correct replacement (they sent me a 3000 by mistake) I had my first chance to load up the pack. If you only limit yourself to 50 lbs. or less loads you might love the pack. However with anything more than that the lower legs of the frame dig in horribly to your hips through the waist belt. Also, I can't tell you his name but I know of a guy that broke three of the frames in a short period of time while testing it. He may have been pushing the limits of the pack but that's not something I would stake my life on.
On a side note my pops kept his Icon and loves it, but keep in mind he's 57 years old and won't carry over 60 lbs.
My suggestion is pay the extra money and purchase a brown T1. That should run you about $750 with what you want. If I could do it over I would go with brown over the Multicam.
I have heard of a few problems with the pack, but I was hoping that they would be only a result of a first year in production... Like their straps slipping under heavy loads, which they've now fixed with heavier webbing. Not glad to hear about this.
I would definitely pick up the MR 6500, but I want to buy a pack that I'll use for years to come and not feel the need to upgrade or buy a different one. Before I started doing backpack hunts I ran a BL2200 for 4 or 5 years and loved that thing and never felt the need for more. Now I do... and buying a pack that weighs in at 9.5 lbs just isn't going to satisfy me. It's probably just mental, but every year I try and buy a few new things to save a lb or two and starting out at 9.5 lbs just isn't going to work...
Mike
I forgot about the webbing. Yes. It was impossible to keep the shoulder straps from slipping and it drove me crazy. The webbing was way too thin.
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Post by: kentrek on May 08, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
I have the cabelas outfitter backpack, works great for me. the only problem i have is when im riding a bike with a fully loaded pack it digs into my back. they a bit on the heavy side but very well built and tons of room.
as far as packing out a elk in one trip you guys are crazy, one mature elk equals 5 trips for me. approx 90lbs of meat in four packs then the horns and cape in another counts for the 5th.
Are you saying that you get 360 lbs. of boned out meat from your mature elk? Or is that with the bone?
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that is a very achievable number for a mature bull elk
Post by: Branden on May 08, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
that is a very achievable number for a mature bull elk
Again, I think it depends on the state and area you are hunting. I've even noticed a difference between bulls in Washington state depending on the area. Probably would make a good thread :dunno:
Anyway back to packs. I have another Timberline coming my way. Going to try it again and try to get it to fit better with weight in it.
MJ, I believe for what you are looking for you need a Kifaru. No other pack on the market is as light, with the cubic inch capacity, and weight handling capabilities.
Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 02:43:04 PM
I have the cabelas outfitter backpack, works great for me. the only problem i have is when im riding a bike with a fully loaded pack it digs into my back. they a bit on the heavy side but very well built and tons of room.
as far as packing out a elk in one trip you guys are crazy, one mature elk equals 5 trips for me. approx 90lbs of meat in four packs then the horns and cape in another counts for the 5th.
Are you saying that you get 360 lbs. of boned out meat from your mature elk? Or is that with the bone?
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that is a very achievable number for a mature bull elk
Not a Rocky Mountain bull, it could have been a Roosevelt but it's unlikely. Show me some evidence of a Rocky Mountain bull living in the wild that weighed over 1000 lbs on the hoof. The vast majority of mature Rocky Mountain bulls will never exceed 700-750 lbs. even it they live to 8 or 9 years old. A 750 lb. bull would have roughly 250 lbs. of meat on their entire body and that would be a huge bull.
To get 360 lbs. of boned put meat from an elk would indicate that the bull weighed around 1080 lbs. on the hoof. (If they took every scrap of meat) If you look at scientific data on the weight of elk this just does not happen and the few times that elk were recorded that weighed 1100 lbs. or more, they were from Vancouver Island and Afognak. I read this info in North American Elk Ecology and Management, if you are curious where I got my info.
Maybe someone has proof of getting 360 lbs. of meat from an elk, but I would bet it's more likely an over estimation.
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Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 02:44:10 PM
that is a very achievable number for a mature bull elk
Again, I think it depends on the state and area you are hunting. I've even noticed a difference between bulls in Washington state depending on the area. Probably would make a good thread :dunno:
Anyway back to packs. I have another Timberline coming my way. Going to try it again and try to get it to fit better with weight in it.
MJ, I believe for what you are looking for you need a Kifaru. No other pack on the market is as light, with the cubic inch capacity, and weight handling capabilities.
Which one did you go with T or DT?
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Post by: Branden on May 08, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
I have the cabelas outfitter backpack, works great for me. the only problem i have is when im riding a bike with a fully loaded pack it digs into my back. they a bit on the heavy side but very well built and tons of room.
as far as packing out a elk in one trip you guys are crazy, one mature elk equals 5 trips for me. approx 90lbs of meat in four packs then the horns and cape in another counts for the 5th.
Are you saying that you get 360 lbs. of boned out meat from your mature elk? Or is that with the bone?
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that is a very achievable number for a mature bull elk
Not a Rocky Mountain bull, it could have been a Roosevelt but it's unlikely. Show me some evidence of a Rocky Mountain bull living in the wild that weighed over 1000 lbs on the hoof. The vast majority of mature Rocky Mountain bulls will never exceed 700-750 lbs. even it they live to 8 or 9 years old. A 750 lb. bull would have roughly 250 lbs. of meat on their entire body and that would be a huge bull.
To get 360 lbs. of boned put meat from an elk would indicate that the bull weighed around 1080 lbs. on the hoof. (If they took every scrap of meat) If you look at scientific data on the weight of elk this just does not happen and the few times that elk were recorded that weighed 1100 lbs. or more, they were from Vancouver Island and Afognak. I read this info in North American Elk Ecology and Management, if you are curious where I got my info.
Maybe someone has proof of getting 360 lbs. of meat from an elk, but I would bet it's more likely an over estimation.
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Slim, the last bull I packed out was a little over 460 lbs of boned meat, antler, and cape. Now the area it was shot in is considered a rocky mountain elk. (Eastern Washington) The weight is extremely accurate since it was weighed at a shipping store.
Maybe I packed out to much cape, the antlers were heavier then usual, or the bull was on roids. Idk.
Post by: kentrek on May 08, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
Post by: colockumelk on May 08, 2012, 03:03:33 PM
As far as the weight of the pack goes.... IMHO I will take a pack that weighs 9lbs that can haul 100lbs comfortably than a pack that weighs 6lbs that can only haul 60-80lbs comfortably. (Not saying the Kifaru can't haul 100lbs comfortably) The point being is that for a bivy hunt if the 9lb pack hauls gear and/or meat better than a 6lb pack with the same amount of gear you will enjoy the heavier pack more. When your pack is loaded down with all your gear, used as a day pack or hauling meat, if the 9lb pack is more comfortable and is a better design than the 6lb pack you will not notice the 3lb difference. The heavier pack will feel more comfortable.
Personally I went with the Mystery Ranch because of the ability to swap out the bags on the same frame. The initial cost of buying the NICE frame with the Longbow was shocking but down the road when I buy the 6500 the sticker price wont be bad. Also the 6500 comes with a day pack lid. And as far as how the day pack lid straps down to the Longbow or other Mystery Ranch bags... Yes there are extra buckles that are there specifically for the day pack lid.
I was unsure of if I was going to be able to do 5 days with the Longbow. But after playing with it a bit it is obvious that I will be able to do it. ALL of my gear fits inside the bag itself. I will have to purchase the 2 side pockets in order to put food in it for 5 days. There are so many lashing points that I really don't need the day pack lid. But it is something that I want so that I have the ability to do 3-4 days during the late season. Also for more room or gear I can strap my sleeping bag to the bottom of the pack and my tent or sleeping matt to the outside as well for even more room. OR I can put those items in between the bag and the pack. In short I feel that if I pack properly I can do 4 days during the late season with no problem with the Longbow. You could definately do this with a crew cab and load cells.
Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 03:04:10 PM
I have the cabelas outfitter backpack, works great for me. the only problem i have is when im riding a bike with a fully loaded pack it digs into my back. they a bit on the heavy side but very well built and tons of room.
as far as packing out a elk in one trip you guys are crazy, one mature elk equals 5 trips for me. approx 90lbs of meat in four packs then the horns and cape in another counts for the 5th.
Are you saying that you get 360 lbs. of boned out meat from your mature elk? Or is that with the bone?
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that is a very achievable number for a mature bull elk
Not a Rocky Mountain bull, it could have been a Roosevelt but it's unlikely. Show me some evidence of a Rocky Mountain bull living in the wild that weighed over 1000 lbs on the hoof. The vast majority of mature Rocky Mountain bulls will never exceed 700-750 lbs. even it they live to 8 or 9 years old. A 750 lb. bull would have roughly 250 lbs. of meat on their entire body and that would be a huge bull.
To get 360 lbs. of boned put meat from an elk would indicate that the bull weighed around 1080 lbs. on the hoof. (If they took every scrap of meat) If you look at scientific data on the weight of elk this just does not happen and the few times that elk were recorded that weighed 1100 lbs. or more, they were from Vancouver Island and Afognak. I read this info in North American Elk Ecology and Management, if you are curious where I got my info.
Maybe someone has proof of getting 360 lbs. of meat from an elk, but I would bet it's more likely an over estimation.
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Slim, the last bull I packed out was a little over 460 lbs of boned meat, antler, and cape. Now the area it was shot in is considered a rocky mountain elk. (Eastern Washington) The weight is extremely accurate since it was weighed at a shipping store.
Maybe I packed out to much cape, the antlers were heavier then usual, or the bull was on roids. Idk.
What did just the meat weigh? Do you have a pic of the bull?
That would be a roughly 1200 animal on the hoof which is pretty hard to picture. Either way, that's a world record type weight. :)
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Post by: MichaelJ on May 08, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
Branden, yeah I'm starting to realize the kifaru is about where I'm at for what I want/need. We'll see what i can't sell to get some more $ scraped up!
Mike
Post by: Branden on May 08, 2012, 03:35:38 PM
What did just the meat weigh? Do you have a pic of the bull?
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I don't know what just the meat weighed because I weighed some of the meat with the antlers and cape. Yea I have some pictures. Maybe I kept a lot of extra hide? bucklucky mounted it so maybe he will let us know if there was a ton extra?
Post by: MichaelJ on May 08, 2012, 03:54:23 PM
Mike,
As far as the weight of the pack goes.... IMHO I will take a pack that weighs 9lbs that can haul 100lbs comfortably than a pack that weighs 6lbs that can only haul 60-80lbs comfortably. (Not saying the Kifaru can't haul 100lbs comfortably) The point being is that for a bivy hunt if the 9lb pack hauls gear and/or meat better than a 6lb pack with the same amount of gear you will enjoy the heavier pack more. When your pack is loaded down with all your gear, used as a day pack or hauling meat, if the 9lb pack is more comfortable and is a better design than the 6lb pack you will not notice the 3lb difference. The heavier pack will feel more comfortable.
Personally I went with the Mystery Ranch because of the ability to swap out the bags on the same frame. The initial cost of buying the NICE frame with the Longbow was shocking but down the road when I buy the 6500 the sticker price wont be bad. Also the 6500 comes with a day pack lid. And as far as how the day pack lid straps down to the Longbow or other Mystery Ranch bags... Yes there are extra buckles that are there specifically for the day pack lid.
I was unsure of if I was going to be able to do 5 days with the Longbow. But after playing with it a bit it is obvious that I will be able to do it. ALL of my gear fits inside the bag itself. I will have to purchase the 2 side pockets in order to put food in it for 5 days. There are so many lashing points that I really don't need the day pack lid. But it is something that I want so that I have the ability to do 3-4 days during the late season. Also for more room or gear I can strap my sleeping bag to the bottom of the pack and my tent or sleeping matt to the outside as well for even more room. OR I can put those items in between the bag and the pack. In short I feel that if I pack properly I can do 4 days during the late season with no problem with the Longbow. You could definately do this with a crew cab and load cells.
Fully understand what you're saying Chris (It's Chris right? lol)!
Actually I bought a new pack last year for day hunts cause I got a smoking deal on it. Brand new blacks creek barbarian 2.5. The pack weighs in at that 9 lb range and has one of the MOST comfortable suspension systems I've ever worn. It handles loads up to 60-70 lbs like a dream. Much more comfortable than my BL2200 ever was (adjustable torso really helps with this!) and I take it with me now because even though it is a couple lbs heavier, its more comfortable (like what you're saying).
However it is just a day pack, and honestly isn't very well thought out. It doesn't expand hardly at all, and for the amount of straps/buckles that come on it you think it would! I could do an overnighter or two in it, but there is no way I could pack a substantial amount of meat+ gear... We struggle to fit two elk front shoulders plus backstraps in it when it was COMPLETELY empty. It took the weight well but now that I'm out of college I need something that'll allow me to get farther into the backcountry than your average weekend trips I've been taking.
If I can get away with the Kifaru for <6 lbs and under $700 then I think I'm just going to wait and see if I can't "buy once cry once" and be done with it. That extra 3.5 lbs I've saved help justify my packing in a 12 lb rifle... lol
Mike
Post by: MichaelJ on May 08, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
Check out page 19 of this thread... you yourself posted in it regarding elk weights...
Start with post #272 bucklucky's and read down. There's talk of Roosevelt blood being in the blues and rear elk quarters boning out at 80 lbs.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=78449.msg980520#msg980520
Mike
Post by: slim9300 on May 08, 2012, 04:32:33 PM
Slim,
Check out page 19 of this thread... you yourself posted in it regarding elk weights...
Start with post #272 bucklucky's and read down. There's talk of Roosevelt blood being in the blues and rear elk quarters boning out at 80 lbs.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=78449.msg980520#msg980520
Mike
I remember the thread pretty well. It was a good discussion. Just add it up though. Even at 160 lbs. for the boned out hind quarters (which is a ton of meat for a hind quarter) that leaves how much meat for the rest of the animal? The vast majority of the meat on an elk is in the hind quarters. One might get 40-45 lbs. from a front quarter but I can't even imagine that.
I know they vary by region a LOT. I saw it with the huge elk in the Gila. I just don't know if I can trust some of the weights I hear guys saying they get. I have killed too many elk (not to mention broken too many down) to not be somewhat skeptical. IDK. In the grand scheme of things it's not really a big deal. We are all eating elk and that's what matters. ;)
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Post by: MichaelJ on May 08, 2012, 05:03:25 PM
Slim,
Check out page 19 of this thread... you yourself posted in it regarding elk weights...
Start with post #272 bucklucky's and read down. There's talk of Roosevelt blood being in the blues and rear elk quarters boning out at 80 lbs.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=78449.msg980520#msg980520
Mike
I remember the thread pretty well. It was a good discussion. Just add it up though. Even at 160 lbs. for the boned out hind quarters (which is a ton of meat for a hind quarter) that leaves how much meat for the rest of the animal? The vast majority of the meat on an elk is in the hind quarters. One might get 40-45 lbs. from a front quarter but I can't even imagine that.
I know they vary by region a LOT. I saw it with the huge elk in the Gila. I just don't know if I can trust some of the weights I hear guys saying they get. I have killed too many elk (not to mention broken too many down) to not be somewhat skeptical. IDK. In the grand scheme of things it's not really a big deal. We are all eating elk and that's what matters. ;)
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Totally agree... ive only killed two myself but have helped pack a lot more... actually helped pack out Charlie's Blues bull but showed up after it was hanging...
Does anybody know where that YouTube video is on here of those monster bulls from the Dayton running through a field is? I remember their bodies being huge!
Post by: huntingalways on May 12, 2012, 07:41:46 AM
Post by: colockumelk on May 12, 2012, 04:45:49 PM
Post by: Branden on May 13, 2012, 08:19:52 AM
Most quality packs that have an adjustable torso length are more comfortable with shorter torso guys than tall torso guys because the load lifters are more functional. :twocents:
Exactly
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Post by: Bluesdude on May 18, 2012, 02:04:57 PM
I have the Eberlestock Dragonfly, Love it. So versatile and comfortable. Gun scabbard is my favorite part!
I agree, I have the J107 Dragonfly and love it, yes I know its heavy, but thats why it can carry the loads it can. I also have an older Jansport Nepali external frame setup that was way ahead of its time. Still a great pack and 6000 Cubic inches capacity.
Post by: Johnb317 on May 18, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
Aside from noisy fabric and no camo anyone use the packs found at REI? Maybe a soft camo coverlet? Seems like we pay a premium for camo.
Thoughts?
Post by: fillthefreezer on May 18, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
For a day pack I have an eberlestock x2...when back country do you carry all or pare down your large packs to be day packs when hunting?although they don't have them at rep we use a dana designs (same guy that builds mystery ranch) hiking backpack and its killer. top of the line for sure. its green, close enough for me...
Aside from noisy fabric and no camo anyone use the packs found at REI? Maybe a soft camo coverlet? Seems like we pay a premium for camo.
Thoughts?
Post by: 7mag. on May 19, 2012, 07:32:57 AM
For a day pack I have an eberlestock x2...when back country do you carry all or pare down your large packs to be day packs when hunting?although they don't have them at rep we use a dana designs (same guy that builds mystery ranch) hiking backpack and its killer. top of the line for sure. its green, close enough for me...
Aside from noisy fabric and no camo anyone use the packs found at REI? Maybe a soft camo coverlet? Seems like we pay a premium for camo.
Thoughts?
Dana Design was sold years ago. Dana now owns Mystery Ranch. Most non hunting packs aren't designed to carry out the extra weight of meat, that is why they are lighter.
Post by: zugbug on May 23, 2012, 02:19:43 PM
Post by: JPhelps on May 23, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
I like my Dana Design Terraframe (external frame) for my high country hunts. Plenty of room to pack out meat. I've had up to 100 lbs in this pack without any issues. The suspension system on these packs makes these larger loads comfortable. I just wish they still made these packs.:yeah:
The Dana Design Terraframe longbed XL is a load monster. Let's just say mine has had well over 100 lbs on it multiple times. Weight is weight but the pack handled it well.
Post by: MichaelJ on May 23, 2012, 03:02:44 PM
Mike
Post by: Branden on May 23, 2012, 05:48:52 PM
Anybody know current wait times for Kifaru T1?
Mike
I'm curious also. I am really tempted to order a T3 for high country muleys
Post by: lewy on May 23, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
Anybody know current wait times for Kifaru T1?
Mike
I'm curious also. I am really tempted to order a T3 for high country muleys
I ordered the dt2 a couple weeks back and they told me July 20. I would assume orders are into August by now but Im not sure...
Post by: slim9300 on May 24, 2012, 08:44:24 AM
Anybody know current wait times for Kifaru T1?
Mike
About 90 days.
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Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on May 24, 2012, 11:58:51 AM
Post by: slim9300 on May 24, 2012, 06:56:40 PM
Yes, Kuiu's new products look very enticing and might be an option for those looking for a new backcountry pack. Give them another year or two and they will have a lot of kinks worked out.
I agree. I loved the old bag design. The new one is even better. I would really like to see the new frame in person.
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Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
Yes, Kuiu's new products look very enticing and might be an option for those looking for a new backcountry pack. Give them another year or two and they will have a lot of kinks worked out.
I agree. I loved the old bag design. The new one is even better. I would really like to see the new frame in person.
Me too!
I do know Kuiu gave out a ton of packs to the hardest working guides in the north last year for review. Those who I have talked to loved the bags, wanted a different gun carrier, and had some breakage and shoulder strap slip issues. Sounds to me like Kuiu listened and made an asserted effort to address all those issues. That impresses me!
Not sure I'm going to go that route this year as I would like to see proof that all things are working fully before dishing out that kind of cash. But then again I do like new toys!
I really like the 5,000 ci bag idea. That's about perfect for me.
Post by: deerslyr on May 24, 2012, 08:42:32 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
Post by: slim9300 on May 24, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
Yes, Kuiu's new products look very enticing and might be an option for those looking for a new backcountry pack. Give them another year or two and they will have a lot of kinks worked out.
I agree. I loved the old bag design. The new one is even better. I would really like to see the new frame in person.
Me too!
I do know Kuiu gave out a ton of packs to the hardest working guides in the north last year for review. Those who I have talked to loved the bags, wanted a different gun carrier, and had some breakage and shoulder strap slip issues. Sounds to me like Kuiu listened and made an asserted effort to address all those issues. That impresses me!
Not sure I'm going to go that route this year as I would like to see proof that all things are working fully before dishing out that kind of cash. But then again I do like new toys!
I really like the 5,000 ci bag idea. That's about perfect for me.
My frame broke but I didn't get it for free. Lol.
I am eyeballing the 7000 cu. inch Icon but I'm going to give it another year. I'm not so sure about the Velcro shoulder strap height adjustment. Really?
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Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Post by: fair-chase on May 24, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
I am eyeballing the 7000 cu. inch Icon but I'm going to give it another year. I'm not so sure about the Velcro shoulder strap height adjustment. Really?
Agreed. I was seriously disappointed when I learned of the velcro. I have a deep seeded hatred for all things velcro, especially when it pertains to hunting equipment. So admittedly I'm a little more than biased against the new frame design. Even if the velcro is not the primary support for the shoulder straps I could not in good concience bring myself to drop that much coin on a frame in wich velcro is claimed as a "feature".
The bag itself looks to be an improvement though. I especially like the outer pockets. Rumor is that the new bag can fit the old frame so that might be the way to go if you can find a first generation frame used. Of course you may want to fact check that before purchasing. :chuckle:
On another note the gaiters look awesome, I passed on the pre order due to both finances and the lack of color options. Patiently waiting for them to come out in charcoal but will likely cave early when the vias hits the shelves.
Post by: MichaelJ on May 25, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
Mike
Post by: slim9300 on May 25, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
Just placed an order for a Kifaru T1 and Grab it in Coyote Brown.... to say I'm excited is a bit of an understatement! I still got my good backpacking pack for scouting trips this summer, but hopefully that T1 will be here by Sept 1!
Mike
Sweet! I wish I would have gotten brown instead of Multicam. You will love the pack.
I'm taking a 12 mile trip tomorrow with the T1 and just under 50 lbs. of unnecessary gear for one night. Lol. I wish my wife could carry more than 15 lbs. Taking the Nallo GT 4 and footprint by myself. Lol.
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Post by: MichaelJ on May 27, 2012, 04:22:21 PM
And I think the multicam is pretty slick looking but the Brown is a very close 2nd for me. Can't wait to try it out!
I placed the order over the net instead of the phone. They are still claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery in my confirmation email... come on August! :-)
Post by: slim9300 on May 27, 2012, 09:07:48 PM
Ha yeah my brother does the same when he and his wife go backpacking...
And I think the multicam is pretty slick looking but the Brown is a very close 2nd for me. Can't wait to try it out!
I placed the order over the net instead of the phone. They are still claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery in my confirmation email... come on August! :-)
11 pretty tough miles and not a single hot spot with the T1 and the new custom molded aluminum stays. The pack is a machine once you learn to adjust it correctly. Coming from an external frame pack it's totally different than I was used to. Once it was dialed 50 lbs. felt like 30. And don't overstuff the bag either, that's the one downfall of not having a solid back. Hence why I wanted so much room.
This part of the hike is a little bit of a bit$& with a heavy pack. 1/2 mile of boulders and don't miss the tide. But nothing beats climbing old wooden ladders up a cliff. :)
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Post by: MichaelJ on May 28, 2012, 06:31:23 PM
Mike
Post by: slim9300 on May 29, 2012, 11:02:50 AM
What do you mean adjust it correctly? I got the composit stays and with any pack that I wear I adjust belt, shoulder straps, and then load lifters... always seems to ride the most comfy that way.
Mike
YouTube Kifaru's Video guide on the topic. It's very helpful and Patrick (the owner) walks you through everything.
I adjust the belt after the shoulder straps. Not to mention you want the belt in the correct place along with quite a few other factors the video covers.
With an external frame that has super thick padded shoulder straps I like the shoulder straps as tight as I can get them and pushing on my pecks. The Timberline can do this comfortably for quite awhile but ideally the straps are tightened up all the way, then the hip belt is synced really tight, then the shoulder straps are backed of about 1" to 1/2" and then the load lifters are tightened down.
Anyways, the video should be helpful for anyone with the pack. It honestly took some getting used to Patrick's mentality on pack adjustment but once I finally bought in, I realized it's the way to go with his packs.
Let me know if you have any more questions or if you have trouble finding the links.
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Post by: Tim in Wa. on May 29, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
Tim
Post by: slim9300 on May 29, 2012, 05:52:44 PM
was that just south of Ozett ?
Tim
Mosquito Creek
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Post by: Charles-270 on July 09, 2012, 11:12:33 PM
Here are some pics from the weekend trip. Some of you guys waiting can at least see the Timberline in action.
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Somewhat besides the point but is this a Hilleberg Nallo 2 GT?
Post by: slim9300 on July 10, 2012, 07:55:18 AM
Here are some pics from the weekend trip. Some of you guys waiting can at least see the Timberline in action.
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Somewhat besides the point but is this a Hilleberg Nallo 2 GT?
Nallo GT 4. It's much bigger than it looks in the picture. Here's another pic from my yard.
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Post by: Charles-270 on July 10, 2012, 11:17:54 PM
Post by: couesbitten on July 11, 2012, 04:52:42 AM
Post by: slim9300 on July 11, 2012, 07:37:37 AM
Great pictures, now I want to go.
It's a trip everyone should do once. Pretty neat place.
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Post by: Vek on August 16, 2012, 06:01:34 PM
In my opinion, the only current packs that can compete with older dana packs are the following:
Kifaru
Mystery Ranch
Stone Glacier (if they get the frame curvature or lack thereof figured out)
EVERYTHING else offered as a "hunting pack" is too frail and gimmick-laden to be taken seriously. Barney is an exception, but having worn one beside a dana external with similar load, there wasn't much of a contest.
I'll take an early 2000s dana terraplane ltw for $200, Alex. Still looking for that one.
Do not get too hung on color. That's why they make Krylon.
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 16, 2012, 06:54:20 PM
Most "hunting packs" play a distant second fiddle to old Danas.whats your take on the 2012 kuiu pack vek?
In my opinion, the only current packs that can compete with older dana packs are the following:
Kifaru
Mystery Ranch
Stone Glacier (if they get the frame curvature or lack thereof figured out)
EVERYTHING else offered as a "hunting pack" is too frail and gimmick-laden to be taken seriously. Barney is an exception, but having worn one beside a dana external with similar load, there wasn't much of a contest.
I'll take an early 2000s dana terraplane ltw for $200, Alex. Still looking for that one.
Do not get too hung on color. That's why they make Krylon.
Post by: scottcrb on August 16, 2012, 07:09:18 PM
Post by: slim9300 on August 17, 2012, 09:44:21 AM
I will stick with Kifaru for now. They make the best heavy load hauling hunting pack in the world in my opinion. Both the Timberline and Duplex Timberline give a hunter all the options they could ever want.
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Post by: dreamingbig on August 17, 2012, 10:20:02 AM
Post by: Benny on August 17, 2012, 10:48:33 AM
There are without a doubt 4 or 5 bombproof, load hauling machines...but not everyone wants to pack 100lbs plus loads and not all hunts will require it. I think it's important to evaluate your personal limits on the weight you are willing to haul and the type of hunting you will predominately be doing.
Post by: JPhelps on August 17, 2012, 10:58:58 AM
I haven't figured out how to kill a mule deer and still manage to have a light pack. :dunno: What hunt doesn't require heavy loads, because I want to sign up.
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 17, 2012, 11:02:45 AM
I will take my Dana Designs Terrraplane longbed on both the 3 day mule deer hunt or the 14 day sheep hunt. I love the extra room and the HEAVY hauling ability. Plus a pack that is comfortable hauling 100+ lbs usually does alright with 40 lbs.the kind where your guide carries it for you or pack stock is handy :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I haven't figured out how to kill a mule deer and still manage to have a light pack. :dunno: What hunt doesn't require heavy loads, because I want to sign up.
sign up, get out your check book.. :sry:
Post by: Benny on August 17, 2012, 11:20:06 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on August 17, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 17, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
I think there is a difference between hauling 80lbs worth of camp and a critter in a 4k ci pack or hauling 130lbs of camp and a critter in a 7k ci pack. If you like extra space...that's great but not everyone feel's the same.what kinda critters or UL gear are you running to pack critter and camp at 80lbs...?
camp and mule deer in a 4k cube pack is going to end up with stuff strapped everywhere. 7k cube pack you could just throw it all in and go...
Post by: Vek on August 17, 2012, 03:12:05 PM
The packbag on the Dana terraplane/terraframe is a case study in utility...
Post by: Benny on August 17, 2012, 03:22:49 PM
Having packed two elk quarters out at a time, I know the value of a true load hauler. I want comfort when I have 100 lbs on my back for 7+ miles.
I agree and am by no means saying you don't. I am saying some people do not want to haul two quarters at the same time, thus requiring something different from their pack.
what kinda critters or UL gear are you running to pack critter and camp at 80lbs...?
camp and mule deer in a 4k cube pack is going to end up with stuff strapped everywhere. 7k cube pack you could just throw it all in and go...
You could absolutely throw everything in a 7k inch pack and roll. But there is a penalty on the front end for being able doing that. I can't make a blanket statement that "no you wouldn't have stuff strapped everywhere with a 4k in pack" but that is very dependant on what the hunt is for, what time of year it is and what one packs...or doesn't.
What I am saying is that most people love what they have and defend it passionately...which is great I think. But there are so many variables to a "backcountry pack" that I don't think there is one answer. And every time I do only think there is one answer...a better pack comes out.
Post by: bassquatch on August 18, 2012, 07:42:28 AM
I couldn't agree more... also you run into the defense of dollars spent, many times people are extra passionate about their item because they paid 3-5 times what another similar option costs. Kifaru's are nice and U.S. made absolutely, but dropping $700-$1200 on a pack and potential 'options' or 'accessories' isn't for everyone. Same with optics and various other pieces of gear, perhaps the better question would be "For X amount of dollars what is my best option for a backcountry pack?". Just saying... :twocents:
A ton of good info in this thread though!! :tup:
Post by: actionshooter on August 18, 2012, 09:07:51 AM
What I am saying is that most people love what they have and defend it passionately...which is great I think. But there are so many variables to a "backcountry pack" that I don't think there is one answer. And every time I do only think there is one answer...a better pack comes out.
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WELL SAID,
I think most people do a little internet research, maybe go look at a couple of packs and then love what they buy.............if it works for you then its good.
In the last 15 years I have had 2 packs a Dana archflex terraplane and then moved into a MR Grizzly, they are heavy but they pack heavy loads awesome.
I have tried several packs through the last couple of years that just ddin't work for me. a Lowe (don't remember the model), a Badlands 4500, KUIU to be fair iit had an elk quarter and the pack wasn't adjusted for me, A Kifaru didn't work for me at all. I think that is b/c I'm too big for it, 6'-5"
I gues what I'm getting at, everyone is going to be different.
Post by: 7mag. on August 18, 2012, 10:36:59 AM
What I am saying is that most people love what they have and defend it passionately...which is great I think. But there are so many variables to a "backcountry pack" that I don't think there is one answer. And every time I do only think there is one answer...a better pack comes out.
WELL SAID,
I think most people do a little internet research, maybe go look at a couple of packs and then love what they buy.............if it works for you then its good.
In the last 15 years I have had 2 packs a Dana archflex terraplane and then moved into a MR Grizzly, they are heavy but they pack heavy loads awesome.
I have tried several packs through the last couple of years that just ddin't work for me. a Lowe (don't remember the model), a Badlands 4500, KUIU to be fair iit had an elk quarter and the pack wasn't adjusted for me, A Kifaru didn't work for me at all. I think that is b/c I'm too big for it, 6'-5"
I gues what I'm getting at, everyone is going to be different.
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I have the same pack, I think. I have the MR BDSB, which, I believe is the early model of either the Grizzly or the Kodiak. It's 7400 ci. and hauls heavy loads really well. They are expensive, but, it's worth it to save my back and shoulders. I looked at many packs, and to me, good suspension and functional load lifters are paramount.
Post by: PacificNWhunter on August 18, 2012, 02:05:23 PM
Someone already mentioned it too, but depending on what you want there are awesome non hunting packs out there too. I loved my arcteryx bora, probably my favorite pack of all time. It just can't handle 80 lbs loads.
Lastly, don't let price be a deciding factor. Buy the best you can afford, or like me and many others save up for it. I spent 18 days/nights last year living out of my pack and already before elk and deer season have around 16 this year. In my opinion when you spend the money for top notch gear it hurts at first but then during crunch time its worth every penny and then some when your loaded up 8 miles from truck.
Post by: slim9300 on August 22, 2012, 08:58:58 PM
Having packed two elk quarters out at a time, I know the value of a true load hauler. I want comfort when I have 100 lbs on my back for 7+ miles.
I agree and am by no means saying you don't. I am saying some people do not want to haul two quarters at the same time, thus requiring something different from their pack.what kinda critters or UL gear are you running to pack critter and camp at 80lbs...?
camp and mule deer in a 4k cube pack is going to end up with stuff strapped everywhere. 7k cube pack you could just throw it all in and go...
You could absolutely throw everything in a 7k inch pack and roll. But there is a penalty on the front end for being able doing that. I can't make a blanket statement that "no you wouldn't have stuff strapped everywhere with a 4k in pack" but that is very dependant on what the hunt is for, what time of year it is and what one packs...or doesn't.
What I am saying is that most people love what they have and defend it passionately...which is great I think. But there are so many variables to a "backcountry pack" that I don't think there is one answer. And every time I do only think there is one answer...a better pack comes out.
There is one pack that's 7000+ cu. inches that has no "penalty" that I can think of when compared to any other hunting oriented 4k inch backpack. I'm curious what you would say the "penalty" is for a 5.6 lb. Kifaru T1. It pack's down smaller than a BL 2200, and carries 80+ lbs. better than any other pack I have owned / tried (and that's been quite a few external frame packs, a few Eberlestocks and Badlands and the Kuiu Icon)
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Post by: Benny on August 23, 2012, 10:48:41 AM
There is one pack that's 7000+ cu. inches that has no "penalty" that I can think of when compared to any other hunting oriented 4k inch backpack. I'm curious what you would say the "penalty" is for a 5.6 lb. Kifaru T1. It pack's down smaller than a BL 2200, and carries 80+ lbs. better than any other pack I have owned / tried (and that's been quite a few external frame packs, a few Eberlestocks and Badlands and the Kuiu Icon)
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About a pound over a T3.....
Post by: bassquatch on August 23, 2012, 02:08:34 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 23, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
You guys have all but sold me on a new Kifaru T1 :tup:seriously huh.. :chuckle:
Post by: bassquatch on August 25, 2012, 07:24:05 AM
Post by: slim9300 on August 25, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
There is one pack that's 7000+ cu. inches that has no "penalty" that I can think of when compared to any other hunting oriented 4k inch backpack. I'm curious what you would say the "penalty" is for a 5.6 lb. Kifaru T1. It pack's down smaller than a BL 2200, and carries 80+ lbs. better than any other pack I have owned / tried (and that's been quite a few external frame packs, a few Eberlestocks and Badlands and the Kuiu Icon)
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About a pound over a T3.....
You were referring to other hunting packs and brands. I assumed you meant something other than a Kifaru. So other than the T3 and KU, what 4k cu. inch pack?
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Post by: slim9300 on August 25, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Yep! Watched some videos on them and I like the design. Wish they were sold in stores though...it would be nice to test fit one before dropping the coin :twocents:
If you don't like it you can send it back for a 100% refund. But I bet that wont happen. ;)
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Post by: Miles on August 29, 2012, 08:56:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM6wfjuirE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM6wfjuirE)
Post by: Miles on August 29, 2012, 08:57:34 AM
Post by: fair-chase on August 29, 2012, 09:16:28 AM
Why won't the youtube videos automatically embed themselves now?
When you click on the share button in youtube, select "options" below the link, then choose "long link". Copy and paste as usual.
Flextrek 37trillion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nM6wfjuirE#)
Post by: Johnb317 on August 29, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
On a serious side, I try to pare down my load as much as possible. The new gear etc. is considerably lighter and more packable than what
was available back when I first started. I like a smaller pack that has the option to strap tent etc. if need be so bag size isn't a huge factor.
As far as carrying out two quarters at one time.... unless it was a very small Elk I guess I'm a man who knows his limitations.... might be able to do it,
but wise enough to know the cost of doing so. So I have a pack for hunting that will allow me one trip with meat, and I keep a meat hauler at the rig for the other trips.
Post by: bassquatch on August 29, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
Yep! Watched some videos on them and I like the design. Wish they were sold in stores though...it would be nice to test fit one before dropping the coin :twocents:
If you don't like it you can send it back for a 100% refund. But I bet that wont happen. ;)
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Good to know, but unfortunately I took a good long look at a Mystery Ranch and boy does it have some features I like!! Good thing I have 4 months to decide :tup:
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 30, 2012, 07:26:06 AM
10lb starting pack weight on the mystery ranch should shut those thoughts down quickly unless that doesnt bother you...Yep! Watched some videos on them and I like the design. Wish they were sold in stores though...it would be nice to test fit one before dropping the coin :twocents:
If you don't like it you can send it back for a 100% refund. But I bet that wont happen. ;)
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Good to know, but unfortunately I took a good long look at a Mystery Ranch and boy does it have some features I like!! Good thing I have 4 months to decide :tup:
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 07:51:28 AM
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back. That may not matter when it's empty and you're walking around the store, but what about when you throw 40 lbs of gear in it? Now you're at 50lbs. How about 50lbs of gear? Now you're at 60 lbs. Still doesn't matter? Bump up the gear to 60 lbs....now you're carrying 70. You're knees will feel the difference.
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 30, 2012, 08:00:54 AM
Post by: Benny on August 30, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
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Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 08:17:58 AM
Yeah...those heavy packs really suck, it would have been so much easier to take two trips the 20 miles back to the strip in a $100 pack.
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:chuckle: Maybe $100 is a little low... but the weights of your pack sure aren't. Are you suggesting it couldn't have been done with a lighter pack?
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 08:36:02 AM
A note on packs. Everyone will have extremely biased opinions on either what they own (good/bad) or who they choose to believe (mostly on the internet). When people start talking about a "backcountry pack" most of us will tend to focus on the weight hauling ability of the pack and the comfort that coincides with hauling heavy weight. The fact of the matter is, all hunts and loads are not created equal. A 3 day mule deer hunt is not the same as a 14 day sheep hunt.
Note the fact that I haven't posted pictures or names of my packs (boasting about their "capabilities").
Post by: boneaddict on August 30, 2012, 08:46:47 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 30, 2012, 08:48:45 AM
Think sheep hunting is a big deal, try a 9 mile moose trek, with hams weighing in at 180 pounds. Most packs on the market can't take it. Hell most men can't either :chuckle:seems as though the class of alder crashing definately contributes to this as well, are we talking class 4 or 5?
Post by: colockumelk on August 30, 2012, 04:23:10 PM
10 lbs starting weight is just ridiculous IMO. I prefer to travel as light as possible, then if/when I get a deer down I'll handle it. If it takes two trips because my pack only cost $100 and weighs in at 3 -4 lbs empty...so be it. Big deal, I got my buck.
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back. That may not matter when it's empty and you're walking around the store, but what about when you throw 40 lbs of gear in it? Now you're at 50lbs. How about 50lbs of gear? Now you're at 60 lbs. Still doesn't matter? Bump up the gear to 60 lbs....now you're carrying 70. You're knees will feel the difference.
Too bad the difference between a Mystery Ranch and a Kifaru is not 10lbs. More like 2.5lbs. Unless you are comparing a MR 7500 to a KU then the weight difference is like 5lbs. But then again the ability to carry heavy weight isn't comparable either. The MR7500 will destroy the KU in weight carrying ability hands down. But if you are comparing the Mystery Ranch 7500 (9lbs 11oz) and the Kifaru Duplex Timberline 1 (7lbs 3 oz) then the actual weight difference is only 2.5lbs. And your knees are not going to notice that at all. What your knees WILL notice is which pack fits the INDIVIDUAL better.
Post by: actionshooter on August 30, 2012, 05:09:28 PM
10 lbs starting weight is just ridiculous IMO. I prefer to travel as light as possible, then if/when I get a deer down I'll handle it. If it takes two trips because my pack only cost $100 and weighs in at 3 -4 lbs empty...so be it. Big deal, I got my buck.
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back. That may not matter when it's empty and you're walking around the store, but what about when you throw 40 lbs of gear in it? Now you're at 50lbs. How about 50lbs of gear? Now you're at 60 lbs. Still doesn't matter? Bump up the gear to 60 lbs....now you're carrying 70. You're knees will feel the difference.
Too bad the difference between a Mystery Ranch and a Kifaru is not 10lbs. More like 2.5lbs. Unless you are comparing a MR 7500 to a KU then the weight difference is like 5lbs. But then again the ability to carry heavy weight isn't comparable either. The MR7500 will destroy the KU in weight carrying ability hands down. But if you are comparing the Mystery Ranch 7500 (9lbs 11oz) and the Kifaru Duplex Timberline 1 (7lbs 3 oz) then the actual weight difference is only 2.5lbs. And your knees are not going to notice that at all. What your knees WILL notice is which pack fits the INDIVIDUAL better.
Well said and the absolute truth.
I'll take my 10# pack over a 5# pack anytime.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
10 lbs starting weight is just ridiculous IMO. I prefer to travel as light as possible, then if/when I get a deer down I'll handle it. If it takes two trips because my pack only cost $100 and weighs in at 3 -4 lbs empty...so be it. Big deal, I got my buck.
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back. That may not matter when it's empty and you're walking around the store, but what about when you throw 40 lbs of gear in it? Now you're at 50lbs. How about 50lbs of gear? Now you're at 60 lbs. Still doesn't matter? Bump up the gear to 60 lbs....now you're carrying 70. You're knees will feel the difference.
Too bad the difference between a Mystery Ranch and a Kifaru is not 10lbs. More like 2.5lbs. Unless you are comparing a MR 7500 to a KU then the weight difference is like 5lbs. But then again the ability to carry heavy weight isn't comparable either. The MR7500 will destroy the KU in weight carrying ability hands down. But if you are comparing the Mystery Ranch 7500 (9lbs 11oz) and the Kifaru Duplex Timberline 1 (7lbs 3 oz) then the actual weight difference is only 2.5lbs. And your knees are not going to notice that at all. What your knees WILL notice is which pack fits the INDIVIDUAL better.
Weight is weight, doesn't matter how you "fit" it to your body. Your body has to do more work to move more weight.
I said 10 lb starting weight is ridiculous. I was not comparing anything.
Thanks.
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2012, 05:51:47 PM
10 lbs starting weight is just ridiculous IMO. I prefer to travel as light as possible, then if/when I get a deer down I'll handle it. If it takes two trips because my pack only cost $100 and weighs in at 3 -4 lbs empty...so be it. Big deal, I got my buck.
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back. That may not matter when it's empty and you're walking around the store, but what about when you throw 40 lbs of gear in it? Now you're at 50lbs. How about 50lbs of gear? Now you're at 60 lbs. Still doesn't matter? Bump up the gear to 60 lbs....now you're carrying 70. You're knees will feel the difference.
Too bad the difference between a Mystery Ranch and a Kifaru is not 10lbs. More like 2.5lbs. Unless you are comparing a MR 7500 to a KU then the weight difference is like 5lbs. But then again the ability to carry heavy weight isn't comparable either. The MR7500 will destroy the KU in weight carrying ability hands down. But if you are comparing the Mystery Ranch 7500 (9lbs 11oz) and the Kifaru Duplex Timberline 1 (7lbs 3 oz) then the actual weight difference is only 2.5lbs. And your knees are not going to notice that at all. What your knees WILL notice is which pack fits the INDIVIDUAL better.
Weight is weight, doesn't matter how you "fit" it to your body. Your body has to do more work to move more weight.
I said 10 lb starting weight is ridiculous. I was not comparing anything.
Thanks.
i agree...ten pounds is very ridiculous..just my :twocents:
Post by: colockumelk on August 30, 2012, 06:09:15 PM
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back.
No you were saying that the starting weight of a Mystery Ranch is 10lbs more than a Kifaru. Which is false. It's 2.5 lbs. I know because I went to both websites and looked it up. And your body won't notice 2.5 lbs. The difference will be in how the pack fits that individual.
Kenetrek I agree 10lbs difference between packs would be redicoulous if it were true but its not true. It's only 2.5lbs.
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 06:13:21 PM
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back.
No you were saying that the starting weight of a Mystery Ranch is 10lbs more than a Kifaru. Which is false. It's 2.5 lbs. I know because I went to both websites and looked it up. And your body won't notice 2.5 lbs. The difference will be in how the pack fits that individual.
Kenetrek I agree 10lbs difference between packs would be redicoulous if it were true but its not true. It's only 2.5lbs.
Really?? Go back and read my post. Then read fillthefreezers post above it that I was responding too. Then read my WHOLE post again.
I do see what you highlighted, and perhaps it was a poor choice of wording since I wasn't using the "difference" in weights.... But I also wasn't comparing anything. Just pointing out that an empty 10lb pack is ridiculous.
By "additional starting weight" I was referring to the weight above and beyond your actual gear you are filling the pack with. Hence my reference to 60 lbs of gear = 70 lb pack weight. I couldn't give two craps about a kiafaru or MR pack...
So feel free to do all the comparisons you want, but I'm not interested... I've got a system, and it works.
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2012, 06:36:06 PM
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back.
No you were saying that the starting weight of a Mystery Ranch is 10lbs more than a Kifaru. Which is false. It's 2.5 lbs. I know because I went to both websites and looked it up. And your body won't notice 2.5 lbs. The difference will be in how the pack fits that individual.
Kenetrek I agree 10lbs difference between packs would be redicoulous if it were true but its not true. It's only 2.5lbs.
no im saying that 10 pound pack is alil sily in the first place....sory no offence intended....im an ultra light kinda guy..no frills..stop crying an get used to it type of motto...im working on a custom pack thats gona be in the 2 pound range,prolly gona end up very simular to the kuiu pack cept shorter in height.. but im not selling it so im not worried bout it..all i want is a pack that can hold up to 150 pounds over 15 miles....and be in the 2 pound range..but what do i know im only 21 sooo prolly shouldnt listen to me :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
Post by: colockumelk on August 30, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
Wasn't trying to sell one pack or the other. But a lot of kifaru guys over exagerate the weight of a MR pack and under exagerate the weight of a kifaru. So when you said the 10lb difference I thought you were doing this and was only trying to set the record straight.
And Kenetrek if you design a pack that can haul a 150lb load like a boss and weigh 2 pounds then I suggest you patent that design and prepare to start making a lot of money.
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2012, 08:00:49 PM
Okay I guess I misunderstood what you are saying. For reference I don't own either of those packs. I own the MR Longbow for a lot of reasons. Mostly because for all the things I want in a pack that certain pack met all my requirements. None of the others did. But those were MY requirements. Like you I have a system that works for me.
Wasn't trying to sell one pack or the other. But a lot of kifaru guys over exagerate the weight of a MR pack and under exagerate the weight of a kifaru. So when you said the 10lb difference I thought you were doing this and was only trying to set the record straight.
And Kenetrek if you design a pack that can haul a 150lb load like a boss and weigh 2 pounds then I suggest you patent that design and prepare to start making a lot of money.
:tup:
Got ya! Not a kiafaru or MR fan, so I sure as heck wasn't pounding that drum. I see why you got all worked up now... :chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on August 30, 2012, 09:08:27 PM
Nah I don't care what pack people buy. Just as long as they like it and it works for them. I generally recommend packs made in America but other than that I support Nimrod, Kifaru, KUIU, Oregon Pack Works, Wilderness Pack Specialties, Mystery Ranch, Bull Pacs, Horn Hunter, Barney, etc. Go America!!! :tup:
Post by: fair-chase on August 30, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
im working on a custom pack thats gona be in the 2 pound range,prolly gona end up very simular to the kuiu pack cept shorter in height.. but im not selling it so im not worried bout it..all i want is a pack that can hold up to 150 pounds over 15 miles....and be in the 2 pound range..but what do i know im only 21 sooo prolly shouldnt listen to me :chuckle:
OK, you've got my interest. I would love to see this when you get it complete. If it turns out good is there any chance you can take some pics or show us the design on how to build one on our own?
Curious as to how you would accomplish this and have it still be functional. Are we talking about just attaching a compression sack to a hacked up frame, or will it be an actual "pack" with some niceties like blatter holster, ventilated meat carrier, tie outs for attaching bulky items???
Post by: actionshooter on August 30, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
Also, I don't care how many people say "oh but the pack fits so nice that you don't feel the weight". BS. Your knees, ankles, and feet are still being subjected to 10lbs of additional starting weight... I don't care how it fits on your back.
No you were saying that the starting weight of a Mystery Ranch is 10lbs more than a Kifaru. Which is false. It's 2.5 lbs. I know because I went to both websites and looked it up. And your body won't notice 2.5 lbs. The difference will be in how the pack fits that individual.
Kenetrek I agree 10lbs difference between packs would be redicoulous if it were true but its not true. It's only 2.5lbs.
no im saying that 10 pound pack is alil sily in the first place....sory no offence intended....im an ultra light kinda guy..no frills..stop crying an get used to it type of motto...im working on a custom pack thats gona be in the 2 pound range,prolly gona end up very simular to the kuiu pack cept shorter in height.. but im not selling it so im not worried bout it..all i want is a pack that can hold up to 150 pounds over 15 miles....and be in the 2 pound range..but what do i know im only 21 sooo prolly shouldnt listen to me :chuckle:
Damn, only 21?? You're making me feel old........I've been backpacking longer than you've been alive
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2012, 11:18:38 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on August 31, 2012, 02:06:04 PM
http://www.stoneglacier.com/index.html (http://www.stoneglacier.com/index.html)
Mike
Post by: Morrison4375 on September 01, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
Post by: JPhelps on September 01, 2012, 09:17:17 PM
I will let you guys know how it stacks up against My Dana Designs Terraframe :dunno: You have to try it to find out right?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on September 04, 2012, 09:43:33 AM
its gona be a zero frills pack.....carbon fiber frame,water proof simple 3 pocket bag,meat flap,fast remove bow/rifle holder..prolly wont fit the needs for most peaple
Actualy that sounds like it would fit the needs of alot of hunters, I agree with Colockum if you have a design, get it patented cuz im sure you could market a pack like that.
Post by: Benny on September 04, 2012, 04:27:12 PM
Also... to quote you:A note on packs. Everyone will have extremely biased opinions on either what they own (good/bad) or who they choose to believe (mostly on the internet). When people start talking about a "backcountry pack" most of us will tend to focus on the weight hauling ability of the pack and the comfort that coincides with hauling heavy weight. The fact of the matter is, all hunts and loads are not created equal. A 3 day mule deer hunt is not the same as a 14 day sheep hunt.
Note the fact that I haven't posted pictures or names of my packs (boasting about their "capabilities").
Not boasting...you said you'd rather take two trips, I was pointing out that isn't always a viable option.
I'm going to have the stoneglacier terminus before my October General Season rifle hunt! :tup:
I will let you guys know how it stacks up against My Dana Designs Terraframe :dunno: You have to try it to find out right?
I am very curious to know if you like it. I'm using a Gen II Icon right now but if those SG packs perform I'm getting one. Good luck in MT!
Post by: slim9300 on September 05, 2012, 05:07:21 PM
Also... to quote you:A note on packs. Everyone will have extremely biased opinions on either what they own (good/bad) or who they choose to believe (mostly on the internet). When people start talking about a "backcountry pack" most of us will tend to focus on the weight hauling ability of the pack and the comfort that coincides with hauling heavy weight. The fact of the matter is, all hunts and loads are not created equal. A 3 day mule deer hunt is not the same as a 14 day sheep hunt.
Note the fact that I haven't posted pictures or names of my packs (boasting about their "capabilities").
Not boasting...you said you'd rather take two trips, I was pointing out that isn't always a viable option.I'm going to have the stoneglacier terminus before my October General Season rifle hunt! :tup:
I will let you guys know how it stacks up against My Dana Designs Terraframe :dunno: You have to try it to find out right?
I am very curious to know if you like it. I'm using a Gen II Icon right now but if those SG packs perform I'm getting one. Good luck in MT!
How does the new Icon do with 100 pounds? 5k cu in model? I heard it comes in at 6.4 lbs. Any truth to that?
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Post by: scottcrb on September 05, 2012, 05:53:31 PM
Post by: 7mag. on September 05, 2012, 08:40:36 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on September 12, 2012, 11:46:20 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on September 21, 2012, 06:30:06 AM
Post by: halflife65 on September 21, 2012, 07:12:04 AM
I currently use a Mystery Ranch NICE frame but I'm finding that it's too short for my torso. I've carried a bunch of 80 - 100 pound loads with it ranging from 2 miles to 10 miles and I just can't get it up off of my shoulders. I think I'm going to keep it for shorter hunts (it's a great daypack you can use to get a huge load out if you shoot something) with my Kifaru for longer hunts. I forsee a DT 1 or 2 bag in the future for it, as well.
Glad to hear that you had a great experience with it - it's enough money that it makes me a bit nervous to spend it.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 21, 2012, 07:26:40 AM
Here is my Kifaru Timberline Duplex Frame with Cargo panel packing out about 100lbs+ of elk (ind quarter, head & horns, plus rib and neck meat bag). It performed flawlessly. Note the meat was hung over night and chilled very nicely before put in the garbage bags. The bags limited the amount of blood running onto my legs. :)
looks like that load's sitting nice and tight! most pics that people post it looks like they're gonna tip over backwards.
Post by: dreamingbig on September 21, 2012, 09:23:41 AM
Post by: Benny on September 21, 2012, 12:47:16 PM
Post by: WonkyWapiti on September 22, 2012, 07:18:27 PM
For those that have the Kifaru Timberline, maybe it's obvious but not to me, I see there is the standard and the duplex version. The duplex version seems to allow you alot of versatility so why would you choose the standard version over the duplex?
Post by: dreamingbig on September 22, 2012, 08:27:08 PM
Post by: Hunter mike on September 23, 2012, 09:37:24 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on September 23, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on September 25, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
One thing is for sure, the Duplex and regular Timberline's are great packs, but shaving off a few lbs of starting weight was more important to me personally. YMMV
Mike
Post by: wilsongideon on September 25, 2012, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on September 25, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on September 25, 2012, 04:36:22 PM
I think i ran into you on the high hunt wilson gideon. I got called into work. I run a badlands 4500 with its day pack and fanny. pack its self is kind of heavy but comfortable. i like it.i think theres a lesson to be learned here, find a hunting spot with no cell service :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: wilsongideon on September 25, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
Post by: madcow41 on September 25, 2012, 06:07:47 PM
Post by: Hunter mike on September 25, 2012, 06:41:02 PM
That said, I do hope a Kifaru or similar is in my future, but I don't feel like I NEED to upgrade to keep going out!
Post by: dreamingbig on September 25, 2012, 10:19:37 PM
Post by: Hunter mike on September 29, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
Has anyone used a Mil-surp CFP-90 pack? They're supposed to be one of the best surplus packs out there but a bit hard to find. What I've read sounds good, but I haven't heard any reviews from hunters.
Post by: Hunter mike on October 06, 2012, 10:30:03 AM
One of these : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TO3HK0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002TO3HK0&linkCode=as2&tag=reaworgea-20 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TO3HK0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002TO3HK0&linkCode=as2&tag=reaworgea-20)
Or something similar - large 1-compartment duffle for tent, sleeping bag, clothing and food (other than today's rations) - basically, my camp goes into the duffle.
Then I will strap my daypack onto the outside of that for my dayhunting from camp. I normally keep my "kill kit" (game bags, knives, tags, etc) and "essentials kit" (minimal survival gear, PLB, flashlights, GPS/maps/compass) with me at all times while hunting. I'll also keep my water filter, bottle, and hydration bladder in the daypack as well as snacks for the day and extra clothing (weather-dependent).
I'm not sure how the daypack will attach - I'm thinking about just putting the waist strap tight around the duffle and finding some attachment points from the top to the frame - shouldn't take much.
Any thoughts? I like the ability to change the bag sizes and have loading options. I thought about just putting an internal frame pack on my hauling frame instead so It can be packed out seperately if needed.
If I like the setup, I may upgrade to a Kelty Cache Hauler or other frame.
Post by: 300rum on October 06, 2012, 12:31:00 PM
When you lash on your pack to the bag you are going to move your center of gravity and are going to put a lot of stress where you don't want it, especially going up and down hill. I used to go with a Cableas Alaska frame with a pack buckled on, I went away from it as it just isn't as comfortable as a modern pack with load lifters, etc. It also puts the weight further away from your shoulders. If you are planning on boneing out an animal, which I do, a modern internal frame pack is so much more comfortable, in my experience, than a hybrid.
They aren't that cheap though!
Here's what I'm thinking about doing...
One of these : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TO3HK0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002TO3HK0&linkCode=as2&tag=reaworgea-20 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TO3HK0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002TO3HK0&linkCode=as2&tag=reaworgea-20)
Or something similar - large 1-compartment duffle for tent, sleeping bag, clothing and food (other than today's rations) - basically, my camp goes into the duffle.
Then I will strap my daypack onto the outside of that for my dayhunting from camp. I normally keep my "kill kit" (game bags, knives, tags, etc) and "essentials kit" (minimal survival gear, PLB, flashlights, GPS/maps/compass) with me at all times while hunting. I'll also keep my water filter, bottle, and hydration bladder in the daypack as well as snacks for the day and extra clothing (weather-dependent).
I'm not sure how the daypack will attach - I'm thinking about just putting the waist strap tight around the duffle and finding some attachment points from the top to the frame - shouldn't take much.
Any thoughts? I like the ability to change the bag sizes and have loading options. I thought about just putting an internal frame pack on my hauling frame instead so It can be packed out seperately if needed.
If I like the setup, I may upgrade to a Kelty Cache Hauler or other frame.
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 06, 2012, 01:28:43 PM
Post by: Hunter mike on October 06, 2012, 01:36:40 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 06, 2012, 01:42:08 PM
Post by: deerslyr on October 07, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
The duffle would be strapped to my pack frame (instead of the Cabela's bag designed for the frame. The Cabela's bag is a bit small for my needs and won't allow me to bring a daypack very easily. Not just a duffle by itsef!
Not a bad idea. Those duffels are a bit heavy though
Post by: Hunter mike on October 07, 2012, 09:43:55 AM
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/columbia-sportswear-river-runner-xl-dry-bag-backpack~p~4418m/?utm_source=GooglePLAs&utm_medium=PaidShopping&utm_term=Columbia_Sportswear_River_Runner_Xl_Dry_Bag_Backpack&utm_campaign=PCGOOGLEPLA2&codes-processed=true (http://www.sierratradingpost.com/columbia-sportswear-river-runner-xl-dry-bag-backpack~p~4418m/?utm_source=GooglePLAs&utm_medium=PaidShopping&utm_term=Columbia_Sportswear_River_Runner_Xl_Dry_Bag_Backpack&utm_campaign=PCGOOGLEPLA2&codes-processed=true)
If it looks tough enough and secures to my frame OK, I think it's going to be awesome! It looks like I can roll down the top to custom fit for bigger or smaller loads. It weighs 1lb, 8oz - not too bad! My pack frame weighs around 5lbs but carries a heavy load when needed. Some of the old Jansport and Kelty aluminum pack frames weigh well under 2lbs and some closer to 1. I'm going to try to pick one up to lash this pack on to for scouting trips, off-season hiking, and maybe even hunting depending on how they handle a load. I've seen some threads online where people have changed out the waist belt/straps for more comfort and to save weight. I'm a minimalist, so I really dig this stuff!
Post by: kalamasasquatch on October 11, 2012, 11:48:16 PM
I'm debating on the eberlestock j34 or the blue widow. Don't know which one I should get?
i have the blue widow and hunted for 3 days out of it and packed 3 elk with it. its a great pack. handles heavy wieght and compresses down for use as a day pack. I also have the alaskan outfitters frame pack from cabelas. its a hell of a hauler and comfortable, but using it on the wet side was a pain in the ass off trail. it stuck up to high above my head. on a side note, about 6 years ago at the sportsmans show there was a booth selling wolf pack systems packs. i bought one and liked it. i had an issue with a buckle and when i tried to contact them the number was no longer in service. did anyone else buy one?
Post by: cld40 on October 12, 2012, 05:31:42 AM
very durable, handles a heavy load very well in my opinion, comfortable
it could be a a little lighter, but all in all im very happy with it...
Post by: Hunter mike on October 22, 2012, 02:41:01 PM
I ordered this this morning:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/columbia-sportswear-river-runner-xl-dry-bag-backpack~p~4418m/?utm_source=GooglePLAs&utm_medium=PaidShopping&utm_term=Columbia_Sportswear_River_Runner_Xl_Dry_Bag_Backpack&utm_campaign=PCGOOGLEPLA2&codes-processed=true (http://www.sierratradingpost.com/columbia-sportswear-river-runner-xl-dry-bag-backpack~p~4418m/?utm_source=GooglePLAs&utm_medium=PaidShopping&utm_term=Columbia_Sportswear_River_Runner_Xl_Dry_Bag_Backpack&utm_campaign=PCGOOGLEPLA2&codes-processed=true)
If it looks tough enough and secures to my frame OK, I think it's going to be awesome! It looks like I can roll down the top to custom fit for bigger or smaller loads. It weighs 1lb, 8oz - not too bad! My pack frame weighs around 5lbs but carries a heavy load when needed. Some of the old Jansport and Kelty aluminum pack frames weigh well under 2lbs and some closer to 1. I'm going to try to pick one up to lash this pack on to for scouting trips, off-season hiking, and maybe even hunting depending on how they handle a load. I've seen some threads online where people have changed out the waist belt/straps for more comfort and to save weight. I'm a minimalist, so I really dig this stuff!
The Columbia dry bag was a bit too small, so back to the drawing board to find the right bag(s). I used a large nylon stuff sack as a test and put everything I wanted in there and lashed it to the frame with my daypack on the outside. It works pretty good! I packed my sleep mat (closed cell foam) first - loosely rolled around the walls of the inside of the pack - and put everything else down into the middle. The structure this created rides nice and snug on the frame. Pretty basic and low-tech, but flexible and effective. I'll post pics next time I have it rigged up!