Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 17, 2012, 08:00:46 AM
Synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus include:
Old, legendary, unwritten, handed down, customary, conventional, understood, admitted, recognized, acknowledged, received, time-honored, immemorial, long-standing, established, fixed, inveterate, rooted, historical, legendary, chronological, biographical, conventional, customary, popular, formal, stipulated, established, fixed, accepted, recognized, acknowledged, approved, correct, right, proper, according to use or custom.
This breadth of meaning allows this word to mean all kinds of things to different people.
As a "Traditional" bowhunter, I feel that because I use a bow that uses the limbs and string for energy, without the use of cables, or pullies, cams, I am using "traditional" equipment.
When Archery seasons were established, there was no "traditional" distinction, there was just Archery...
there were aluminum arrows, stabalizers, release aids, etc...
Yes, most hunters made their own equipment, but that was mostly due to availability and cost.
Whenever the discussion turns to "traditional'' someone always brings up using "primitive" equipment (make your own bow from a tree branch, whittle your own shafts, and use a stone arrow head), in my opinion, that would only be "traditional" if you were a native, as those responsible for me being able to hunt with a bow made recurves out of laminated wood and fiberglass, aluminum and fiberglass arrows (along with wood) and steel broadheads.
Those that taught me about archery, and bowhunting began hunting with archery equipment during the 1900's, not the 1800's, so Tradition to me is continuing with their example.
Just like my own "family traditions" we call it tradition because we continue to do it like we have been, whether it is celebrating a holiday, opening day of fishing season, annual camping trips, etc...
I suppose, if your father hunted with a compound, and that is all you have ever used, you could call it "Traditional", but to me, it is using a simple bow that bends, and one string.
What does Traditional mean to you ?
Post by: TeacherMan on April 17, 2012, 08:18:07 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 17, 2012, 08:22:46 AM
I guess along those lines, my daughter hunting with my fathers old Mod '94 would be "Traditional Rifle" , at least until she was big enough to carry his Zouave .54...
Post by: lokidog on April 17, 2012, 08:34:07 AM
Post by: quadrafire on April 17, 2012, 08:57:36 AM
As far as archery I think of longbows/recurves
as traditional even though my first bow was a bear compound with the wheels haning on brackets
Post by: PlateauNDN on April 17, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
Sunday dinner at Granny's, black and white TV with no remote, cut off blue jean shorts, eating meals as a family "at the table", meat and potatoes included in all meals with loaf of white bread on the table, prayer before eating, single speed bikes (and no helmet), mercuricrom for the wounds inflicted by bike accidents, riding the bus to school, no organized sports other than school activities, no play-dates (just play all day), Friday movie night, popcorn with real butter, fish fries with the neighborhood, the smell of Dad's old spice, a big garden and canned vegetables, cruising the strip in highshool, (gas was cheap then) cars with handles to roll down the windows and no airconditioning. :tup: :tup: :tup: Man, I sure miss sunday dinners and cruising the blvd. in high school without the worry of being shot at, just a good ole' fist fight, 1on1. Play outside until your hungry and then go back outside until your tired. Medicine? what's that? Band-aid? Never heard of it. If you were sick a laid in bed and sweated it out, now pay hundreds of dollars for some drugs and a dr. visit that took longer than the sickness itself. you get sick at school, you went to the nurses off and missed recess, you get the slightest of warm forehead you have to go home. :bash:
As far as archery I think of longbows/recurves
as traditional even though my first bow was a bear compound with the wheels haning on brackets
Post by: Machias on April 17, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
Sunday dinner at Granny's, black and white TV with no remote, cut off blue jean shorts, eating meals as a family "at the table", meat and potatoes included in all meals with loaf of white bread on the table, prayer before eating, single speed bikes (and no helmet), mercuricrom for the wounds inflicted by bike accidents, riding the bus to school, no organized sports other than school activities, no play-dates (just play all day), Friday movie night, popcorn with real butter, fish fries with the neighborhood, the smell of Dad's old spice, a big garden and canned vegetables, cruising the strip in highshool, (gas was cheap then) cars with handles to roll down the windows and no airconditioning.
As far as archery I think of longbows/recurves
as traditional even though my first bow was a bear compound with the wheels haning on brackets
:yeah:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 17, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on April 17, 2012, 09:30:31 AM
:drool: now I want to go buy some new gear love the new bow, but I miss the first one now
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2012, 09:41:15 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on April 17, 2012, 09:49:26 AM
Longbows and recurves for traditional archery, although technology certainly has made these instruments far from primitive.I know even my 70s recurve used a fiberglass laminate for the limbs. I figure maybe it doesnt mattersince back in the day some people were laminating their bows with hides or rattlesnake to get more power.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 17, 2012, 10:18:51 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2012, 10:20:14 AM
What was traditional back when we got our archery seasons? It wasn't a new laminated recurve, fast flight string, replaceable razor heads, and carbon shafts. To me, if you truly want traditional then make your bow, make your string, find your feathers, make your glue and attach it to your wood shaft you made. Oh, and chip your head from rock or forge your own steel head. That's how it was done for thousands of years and anyone that feels good about themselves because their bow doesn't have a wheel is fooling themselves. If you look at archery equipment from the time it was invented to now, the equipment considered "traditional" by many are all recent advancements in equipment in the last 50 or so years. This is a small amount of time in technology compared to the thousands of years of how it was traditionally done.
Are you possibly confusing "traditional" with "primitive"?
Post by: mfswallace on April 17, 2012, 10:28:26 AM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 17, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
What was traditional back when we got our archery seasons? It wasn't a new laminated recurve, fast flight string, replaceable razor heads, and carbon shafts. To me, if you truly want traditional then make your bow, make your string, find your feathers, make your glue and attach it to your wood shaft you made. Oh, and chip your head from rock or forge your own steel head. That's how it was done for thousands of years and anyone that feels good about themselves because their bow doesn't have a wheel is fooling themselves. If you look at archery equipment from the time it was invented to now, the equipment considered "traditional" by many are all recent advancements in equipment in the last 50 or so years. This is a small amount of time in technology compared to the thousands of years of how it was traditionally done.
Are you possibly confusing "traditional" with "primitive"?
No. All archery hunting is primitive according to WDFW and most archery groups.
Post by: Dan-o on April 17, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
I hunt muzzleloader... for over 30 years now. The first 20+ with a traditional Hawkins replica. The last 10 with a modern in-line with a composite thumb hole grip stock and nickel plated barrel using musket caps while I peep thru my ultra modern Williams peep sight.
I figure Daniel Boone used the best he had, and if he could have, he'd swap for my modern in line in a heart beat....... He'd probably insit on me throwing my speed loaders in on the deal!
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
What was traditional back when we got our archery seasons? It wasn't a new laminated recurve, fast flight string, replaceable razor heads, and carbon shafts. To me, if you truly want traditional then make your bow, make your string, find your feathers, make your glue and attach it to your wood shaft you made. Oh, and chip your head from rock or forge your own steel head. That's how it was done for thousands of years and anyone that feels good about themselves because their bow doesn't have a wheel is fooling themselves. If you look at archery equipment from the time it was invented to now, the equipment considered "traditional" by many are all recent advancements in equipment in the last 50 or so years. This is a small amount of time in technology compared to the thousands of years of how it was traditionally done.
Are you possibly confusing "traditional" with "primitive"?
No. All archery hunting is primitive according to WDFW and most archery groups.
The question wasn't what the WDFW defined, it was what we thought it meant. What you described was traditional goes way beyond what others describe as traditional - making your own string from gut, finding feathers, making glue for the shaft, etc. I'm just saying that the word primitive is about as open to interpretation as the word traditional. Many people would consider making your own string primitive. Many would not consider a modern compound primitive or traditional. A recurve with synthetic string and steel weighted target tips is far from primitive, and by your original description, isn't even traditional. That's why I asked if you meant primitive instead of traditional. I don't care what the WDFW does or doesn't call primitive.
Post by: seth30 on April 17, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on April 17, 2012, 11:31:24 AM
Post by: cryfowl on April 17, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
Muzzleloaders that are not inline with iron sights, Percusion or flintlock shooting roundballs.
Rifle: old Winchester lever action with iron sights
Or whatever the Tribes use since they are all about traditions. :chuckle:
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on April 17, 2012, 11:54:50 AM
Post by: netcoyote on April 17, 2012, 12:13:11 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 17, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
He thought that wasn't "traditional...
I told him about my 1965 Tamerlane that came with an aluminum stabilizer.
My mid 30's Nels Grumley Take-down that I used to own, had a laminated face, with linen backing.
My 1952 Bear Grizzly is laminated fiberglass and maple.
"Traditions" are something in my opinion that are began with the thought of continuing them for generations, I just wonder why whenever someone argues about what is "Traditional" there is always someone who equates it with "primitive"
My whole though process here is about the trend to "evolve" I understand it is inevitable, but when we throw around words like "Traditional", "heritage" and "primitive", do we really care what they mean, or are we just posers ?
I hunt with a recurve, because I feel that it gives me an advantage, and a handicap, my shot distance is no different than it ever was, I just have fewer excuses for my own shortcomings, my equipment is lethal, provided I understand my own limitations, the capability to put an arrow where I want to is dependent solely on my own ability, not dependent on sights,.. but they have been putting sights on bows for generations.
My father hunted with whatever weapon he had at the time, grew up during the depression, killed a deer whenever he needed meat (Canada homestead) but when it came to teaching me, it was about ethics, and personal responsibility.
"Traditional" has little to do with the weapon, but about the attitude, it does not matter projectile.. bullet, or arrow. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 11:47:00 PM
What does "traditional" really mean?
In the end it matters not what it means to you or anyone else on here, its how its defined by WDFW and their lobby. :twocents:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 18, 2012, 12:39:50 AM
But why ?? The WDFW has no special interest in "Traditional", they set seasons based upon user numbers, and relatively the "Traditional" hunters, be they modern, muzzleloader, or archery , have no meaning to them, only to us.What does "traditional" really mean?
In the end it matters not what it means to you or anyone else on here, its how its defined by WDFW and their lobby. :twocents:
It is our own petty disagreements that will cost us in the end, when we all get to hunt deer in September, and Elk in November...
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 18, 2012, 03:24:35 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 18, 2012, 04:07:32 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 18, 2012, 05:53:51 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 18, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 08:21:01 PM
hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.
Hey, no electronics now. :nono: :chuckle:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 18, 2012, 08:23:13 PM
hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.
Hey, no electronics now. :nono: :chuckle:
Heck with a light saber I might not get rocks thrown at me by Bigfoot this year! Go ahead Matt post my texts from last year...... :yike:
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 08:25:28 PM
hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.
Hey, no electronics now. :nono: :chuckle:
Heck with a light saber I might not get rocks thrown at me by Bigfoot this year!
I think light sabers were from Star WARS not Star Trek :chuckle:
Post by: TheHunt on April 18, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 18, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.
Hey, no electronics now. :nono: :chuckle:
Heck with a light saber I might not get rocks thrown at me by Bigfoot this year!
I think light sabers were from Star WARS not Star Trek :chuckle:
There is a difference? LOL Tells you how traditional I am... :-)
Post by: Lowedog on April 19, 2012, 05:58:29 AM
"Traditional" has little to do with the weapon, but about the attitude, it does not matter projectile.. bullet, or arrow. :twocents:
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To me, hunting is a tradition. It matters not to me what weapon I hunt with. Rifle, muzzy or bow, whichever season it is, just allows me to hunt. That is why I will pay the extra $185 for a multi tag every year.
Post by: 44 Flattop on April 19, 2012, 06:56:51 AM
Go ahead and feel good about yourself as you use your recurve, but your synthetic string, modern broadhead, Ford F250, Garmin GPS, and Kenetrek boots are all rather hypocritical.How about an Ford F150? :chuckle:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 19, 2012, 07:21:35 AM
The first bows were invented 64,000 years ago. The first bows with heads attached to arrows with sinew was 16,000 years ago. To claim that a bow outfit designed and invented 20-40 years ago is ridiculous. It's not even close to what has been considered primitive or traditional to the invention of a bow over time. Go ahead and feel good about yourself as you use your recurve, but your synthetic string, modern broadhead, Ford F250, Garmin GPS, and Kenetrek boots are all rather hypocritical. In the end, it depends on the person you ask to what is traditional. But to claim that a brief time in recent advancements is somehow traditional is crazy. People just 500 years ago would think the equipment Howard Hill and Fred Bear used was modern. How are they the standard at which we should set for traditional? Who says you get to decide? You (or Fred Bear or Howard Hill) get to decide a point in the 99.8% history at which there have been bows to decide to draw the "traditional" line? This is fun stuff! Can we argue anymore about nothing?
You are arguing with yourself. My traditional values go back hundreds of years. Not 64000. What was your family doing then? Fred Bear and Howard Hill both set traditions in modern day recurve and long bow hunting not just within there family's but within most traditional archery hunters and there familys today. People that choose to limit themselfs with traditional weapons I applaud.
My family used iron sights and lever action rifles to provide winter meat. That's traditional to me. Doing it the way it was taught to me by my family. Since a use a bow I get less traditional value out of it. Primitive is not tradition. Tradition is a bond between me and my family and the woods we love so much. My friends I hunt with every sept just setting up camp is tradition. New traditions will start this year for many of us. Some will end. I look forward to sharing traditions with my son every year as he matures. Good topic stickandstring.
Bob
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 19, 2012, 07:30:12 AM
Who says you get to decide? You (or Fred Bear or Howard Hill) get to decide a point in the 99.8% history at which there have been bows to decide to draw the "traditional" line? This is fun stuff! Can we argue anymore about nothing?
Actually, it's the title of the thread that says he gets to decide - for himself. Keep it light. I don't think anyone here is arguing, only saying what traditional means to them. If it doesn't mean the same to you, who cares? It's just supposed to be a fun discussion. But, I'm quite sure that the question posed WASN'T "What does 'traditional' mean to Popeshawnpaul? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on April 19, 2012, 07:38:01 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 19, 2012, 08:23:06 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 19, 2012, 08:37:26 AM
Post by: Snapshot on April 19, 2012, 09:41:33 PM
In the mid-late 1960’s I began shooting with fiberglass or wood arrows and a solid fiberglass bow that my older brothers had found in an overgrown field. When I was about eleven years old I was given a used Shakespeare recurve and aluminum arrows so that I could prepare for my first hunting season which occurred at the age of twelve. [Dad wouldn’t allow the use of wood arrows because of stories he had heard or read of them splintering during the archer’s paradox. He was weird that way.] By age thirteen or fourteen I had a brand new recurve, a Bear Grizzly.
But by the time I graduated high school I had laid down my bows because I had been told that compounds were the future and that I’d one day have to switch. They didn’t interest me so I quit. Fifteen or so years later I found that true bows were still around and that some resurgence had taken place in their interest. And so I dusted off my Grizzly, bought some aluminum arrows (with plastic vanes as I was told they were all that people could use in Washington; this was my first lesson in how merchants try to dictate archery’s direction just to make a sale) and got back into archery, and then soon after that bowhunting (but feathers had replaced the plastic!).
Within about six years’ time I began making wooden arrows, mostly from store bought shafts, but I also have hand-planed some from old fir stair treads, or from ash scraps salvaged from a cabinet shop waste barrel. I make my own strings, too, out of B-50, but I also have some frozen Eastern Grey squirrel hides that might one day become rawhide strings if the mood strikes.
Steel, fixed, two-blade broadheads are the only heads I’ve ever sharpened and shot. The first were Bear, then Zwickey and now single-bevel Grizzly. I’ve some Eclipse broadheads, too, but I have yet to find a bow/arrow combination that needs them. I’ve dabbled in knapping but I suck at it.
I also made my first selfbow about the time I began building arrows and have averaged about one bow every couple of years since, and have yet to make one that I want to hunt with. One day in the not-too-distant future I hope to carry into the woods a bow I made myself and slip a hand-planed shaft through the boiler room of a big game animal. I can imagine no greater accomplishment.
Now this whole journey has been dubbed ‘traditional’ so I guess that is what I am. But it still sticks in my craw, because it is really just archery. A string strung taut between the ends of a stick that bends and stores energy, which on its release transfers the energy of the bow to the arrow. It is so simple and so real.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 19, 2012, 10:17:05 PM
I do not like it when people say must be released with fingers. Everyone can have there own thoughts. I have a problem with my hands and it makes it very hard to shoot a recurve or long bow. Most of my trad bows I shoot with a release because I have such a hard time with a glove or tab. There are many old styles of releases that date back a long way. Made by bow makers and some high power ones like black widow. Just because I use a release does not mean I am not hunting with trad gear to me. To some people it does even though I have problems, it does not matter to them.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 19, 2012, 10:36:19 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on April 24, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: BK on April 24, 2012, 07:42:46 PM
Unless you were from Persia, Turkey, any where in central Asia, then you'd compare their stuff to your horn sinew composites for about 2 seconds and conclude that they had a long ways to go.
Post by: npaull on April 27, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
I'll never understand people who go into archery, and then try their hardest to make their bows the most high-tech things this side of assault rifles. By the time you add all that techno crap, why not just buy a gun and be done with it? I'd much, much rather hunt with a simple gun than with a complicated compound bow. But I'd rather hunt with my longbow than anything else...
Post by: jaymark6655 on April 27, 2012, 05:39:19 PM
In regards to archery, I think it's pretty simple: longbow, recurve, flatbow, selfbow. No sights, no release.
I'll never understand people who go into archery, and then try their hardest to make their bows the most high-tech things this side of assault rifles. By the time you add all that techno crap, why not just buy a gun and be done with it? I'd much, much rather hunt with a simple gun than with a complicated compound bow. But I'd rather hunt with my longbow than anything else...
What about a recurve with titanium limbs and an aluminum riser? Thinking of making one.
Post by: npaull on April 27, 2012, 05:43:23 PM
I think the fundamental thing that makes archery "traditional" would be instinctive shooting, more than what the bow's made of.
Post by: Snapshot on April 28, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
In regards to archery, I think it's pretty simple: longbow, recurve, flatbow, selfbow. No sights, no release.
I'll never understand people who go into archery, and then try their hardest to make their bows the most high-tech things this side of assault rifles. By the time you add all that techno crap, why not just buy a gun and be done with it? I'd much, much rather hunt with a simple gun than with a complicated compound bow. But I'd rather hunt with my longbow than anything else...
What about a recurve with titanium limbs and an aluminum riser? Thinking of making one.
I have held an all aluminum recurve in my hand. I though it was ugly, it was cold to the touch and the owner said it wasn't known to be a very good shooter...but it was a conversation piece to say the least.
Post by: TheHunt on April 28, 2012, 05:50:23 PM
To me it means no electronic's for archery and no smokeless powder or scopes for muzzle loaders.
Post by: npaull on April 29, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 29, 2012, 09:17:01 AM
Post by: rasbo on April 29, 2012, 09:24:36 AM
For me its recurve bows & wooden arrows and muzzleloaders being Flintlock not percussion ....I have seriously been thinking of going back to a recurve ....I really do not care if I kill many more animals So I might need to go back to old school :dunno:same here,but!!!I will stay with the caps on the wetside,iffin I were on the east side flintlock all the way,click...boom :tup:
Post by: family hunter on May 01, 2012, 12:51:29 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 01, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
well when i think of traditional it is what it states by def. now with that i am not trying to start a bashing thread but the Indians say they hunt and net for traditional purposes rite. now why are they doing thing UN traditionally motors,selling to japan killing for trophy and not meat, not living on the land etc. so why the hell does this make a damn difference i dot know . if the tribes can modernize why the hell cant we , i mean we have all the limits they do not it should all be the same .
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Post by: npaull on May 01, 2012, 05:40:26 PM
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well when i think of traditional it is what it states by def. now with that i am not trying to start a bashing thread but the Indians say they hunt and net for traditional purposes rite. now why are they doing thing UN traditionally motors,selling to japan killing for trophy and not meat, not living on the land etc.
They use the word "traditional" to sell themselves and engage in activities that are totally UNtraditional as you point out. It's total *censored* and needs to stop (or at least, we should all call a spade a spade). Anyone who thinks hunting whales with a rifle is a "traditional" activity has their head up their ass. Want to do it with a harpoon from a canoe I'm all for it.
But anyway, we digress. Go wooden bows and smokey muskets.
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 02, 2012, 09:43:40 AM
Quotewell when i think of traditional it is what it states by def. now with that i am not trying to start a bashing thread but the Indians say they hunt and net for traditional purposes rite. now why are they doing thing UN traditionally motors,selling to japan killing for trophy and not meat, not living on the land etc.
They use the word "traditional" to sell themselves and engage in activities that are totally UNtraditional as you point out. got any info. to back up such a claim?It's total *censored* and needs to stop (or at least, we should all call a spade a spade). Anyone who thinks hunting whales with a rifle is a "traditional" activity has their head up their ass. Want to do it with a harpoon from a canoe I'm all for it. You are seriously misinformed. The Makah, who you're refering to, have not hunted a whale for quite a while because of a few members that didn't wait for the completed permit process to harvest a whale. Last I heard they have another permit submitted for another whale but they haven't received the authorization yet. Also, they were ordered to use a .50 cal after the initial strike from the harpoon to humanely and quickly end the suffering of the whale so if you have a problem with that take it up with the Fed Judge and the tree huggers that cried for it.
But anyway, we digress. Go wooden bows and smokey muskets.
based off of the OP's post, I'd say the dictionary definition is what traditional means to a lot of folks on here, long bow or muzzle, but to others such as myself who was never taught but is learning to use a bow traditional 5-10 years ago for me would've been a rifle. None of my uncles, even my father and even my grandfathers never used a bow to hunt so yes, traditional to them was using a rifle. I've taken it upon myself to learn archery and that's by personal choice.
I commend those that use traditional equipment such as longbows, because in my eyes that is traditional, even more traditional than muzzies, which in my eyes, is not traditional, more of an advancement outside of traditional equipment. Even though the muzzle is basic compared to modern day firearms it is still a firearm and less traditional than a longbow. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 02, 2012, 11:49:09 AM
Quotewell when i think of traditional it is what it states by def. now with that i am not trying to start a bashing thread but the Indians say they hunt and net for traditional purposes rite. now why are they doing thing UN traditionally motors,selling to japan killing for trophy and not meat, not living on the land etc.
They use the word "traditional" to sell themselves and engage in activities that are totally UNtraditional as you point out. got any info. to back up such a claim?It's total *censored* and needs to stop (or at least, we should all call a spade a spade). Anyone who thinks hunting whales with a rifle is a "traditional" activity has their head up their ass. Want to do it with a harpoon from a canoe I'm all for it. You are seriously misinformed. The Makah, who you're refering to, have not hunted a whale for quite a while because of a few members that didn't wait for the completed permit process to harvest a whale. Last I heard they have another permit submitted for another whale but they haven't received the authorization yet. Also, they were ordered to use a .50 cal after the initial strike from the harpoon to humanely and quickly end the suffering of the whale so if you have a problem with that take it up with the Fed Judge and the tree huggers that cried for it.
But anyway, we digress. Go wooden bows and smokey muskets.
based off of the OP's post, I'd say the dictionary definition is what traditional means to a lot of folks on here, long bow or muzzle, but to others such as myself who was never taught but is learning to use a bow traditional 5-10 years ago for me would've been a rifle. None of my uncles, even my father and even my grandfathers never used a bow to hunt so yes, traditional to them was using a rifle. I've taken it upon myself to learn archery and that's by personal choice.
I commend those that use traditional equipment such as longbows, because in my eyes that is traditional, even more traditional than muzzies, which in my eyes, is not traditional, more of an advancement outside of traditional equipment. Even though the muzzle is basic compared to modern day firearms it is still a firearm and less traditional than a longbow. :twocents:
When Pacific Natives starting using harpoons to kill whales way back whenever, it was far from traditional. It was new. Having that resource and hunting it is traditional. I have no problem with Natives hunting whales with whatever tool they choose. A .50 cal is probably the most humane kill and I'm all about humane. There's no shortage of whales and hunting them seems to be an important social ritual. It doesn't bother me one bit. I'd love to be included, as a matter of fact. Plateau, got any connections on the coast?
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 02, 2012, 01:26:35 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 02, 2012, 01:33:15 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 02, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
http://bringbackthebow.com/site/
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Post by: family hunter on May 06, 2012, 03:51:58 PM
yes i do agree but over harvest is BS natives use to trades the firs ,share the meat amongst the tribe ,not go and kill multiple animals just to do so . i be live that they should have to hunt under the same bi laws as every one Else we are in the 21 century kill for the purpose of benefiting yer tribe ,not to fill a thrill of the killQuotewell when i think of traditional it is what it states by def. now with that i am not trying to start a bashing thread but the Indians say they hunt and net for traditional purposes rite. now why are they doing thing UN traditionally motors,selling to japan killing for trophy and not meat, not living on the land etc.
They use the word "traditional" to sell themselves and engage in activities that are totally UN traditional as you point out. got any info. to back up such a claim?It's total *censored* and needs to stop (or at least, we should all call a spade a spade). Anyone who thinks hunting whales with a rifle is a "traditional" activity has their head up their ass. Want to do it with a harpoon from a canoe I'm all for it. You are seriously misinformed. The Makah, who you're refering to, have not hunted a whale for quite a while because of a few members that didn't wait for the completed permit process to harvest a whale. Last I heard they have another permit submitted for another whale but they haven't received the authorization yet. Also, they were ordered to use a .50 cal after the initial strike from the harpoon to humanely and quickly end the suffering of the whale so if you have a problem with that take it up with the Fed Judge and the tree huggers that cried for it.
But anyway, we digress. Go wooden bows and smokey muskets.
based off of the OP's post, I'd say the dictionary definition is what traditional means to a lot of folks on here, long bow or muzzle, but to others such as myself who was never taught but is learning to use a bow traditional 5-10 years ago for me would've been a rifle. None of my uncles, even my father and even my grandfathers never used a bow to hunt so yes, traditional to them was using a rifle. I've taken it upon myself to learn archery and that's by personal choice.
I commend those that use traditional equipment such as longbows, because in my eyes that is traditional, even more traditional than muzzies, which in my eyes, is not traditional, more of an advancement outside of traditional equipment. Even though the muzzle is basic compared to modern day firearms it is still a firearm and less traditional than a longbow. :twocents: