Post by: Jamieb on April 25, 2012, 09:44:06 PM
I killed a couple of hundred with 2- .223's and a 22-250 along with a bunch up close with a couple of 22 mags.
The only pictures I got were of a couple of 22.mag kills.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv376%2Felkhunter%2FIMG_0090-1.jpg&hash=cb5aea6abe6789ec42a9c66397f0c8932d2a2ec2)
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Post by: Sliverslinger on April 25, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 25, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
Post by: CastleRocker on April 26, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Bring duct tape or bandaids for your thumb though, as mine is still sore from loading magazines. I only had two magazines for the Marlin and went through 1200+ rounds of HMR in three days. We were down by Merril, OR hunting private ground. Looking forward to going again soon.
Would like to find somewhere a bit closer though. Has anyone ever been down to shoot them in Christmas Valley, Crane, or Burns? I've heard good things about that area.
Post by: Oneshot1Kill on April 26, 2012, 09:47:52 PM
Post by: Blacklab on April 27, 2012, 07:02:12 AM
Post by: high country on April 27, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
Post by: npaull on April 27, 2012, 05:53:46 PM
This is the kind of thing people were doing *before* passenger pigeons went extinct (or before bison almost went extinct, or the great auk, or a multitude of different shore birds, waterfowl, etc). It also quite possibly could be the most damaging kind of activity to the reputation of hunters as a group. Anything that can be said in defense of this sort of thing WAS being said about any of the aforementioned extinct or nearly-extinct animals I listed (there's actually an incredible amount of literature preserved about people commenting on how many bison, passenger pigeons, etc they shot).
I kill deer, I kill ducks - I've got no problem killing animals. But shooting *hundreds* of anything wild, and throwing them away (if you're eating them or they're destroying your crops, I retract most of this post)... I gotta say it, guys, sorry.
It's disgusting.
Post by: Jamieb on April 27, 2012, 07:00:39 PM
If you hate to be" that guy" then then dont respond to topics that you know nothing about.
You are that guy that I hate, the kind of guy that has to stick his nose in where it doesn't belong because you think you know better then the rest of us.
I'm not going to try to defend anything posted in this thread as I don't argue on the Net, Facts,knowledge, and personal experience wouldn't change a mind driven by emotion anyway.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 27, 2012, 07:00:51 PM
I hate to be "that guy" and I'm going to get flamed, (and I won't post in this thread again just so it doesn't drag on forever) but...Think thats why we call them VARMITS ... So many of them you could not kill em all if you tried .....all they do is dig holes everywhere and they make for some awesome target shooting :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :o
This is the kind of thing people were doing *before* passenger pigeons went extinct (or before bison almost went extinct, or the great auk, or a multitude of different shore birds, waterfowl, etc). It also quite possibly could be the most damaging kind of activity to the reputation of hunters as a group. Anything that can be said in defense of this sort of thing WAS being said about any of the aforementioned extinct or nearly-extinct animals I listed (there's actually an incredible amount of literature preserved about people commenting on how many bison, passenger pigeons, etc they shot).
I kill deer, I kill ducks - I've got no problem killing animals. But shooting *hundreds* of anything wild, and throwing them away (if you're eating them or they're destroying your crops, I retract most of this post)... I gotta say it, guys, sorry.
It's disgusting.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 27, 2012, 07:02:26 PM
npaullNOW NOW :chuckle:
If you hate to be" that guy" then then dont respond to topics that you know nothing about.
You are that guy that I hate, the kind of guy that has to stick his nose in where it doesn't belong because you think you know better then the rest of us.
I'm not going to try to defend anything posted in this thread as I don't argue on the Net, Facts,knowledge, and personal experience wouldn't change a mind driven by emotion anyway.
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 07:11:31 PM
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 07:22:10 PM
Post by: npaull on April 27, 2012, 07:25:48 PM
Post by: Jamieb on April 27, 2012, 07:27:25 PM
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
Post by: high country on April 27, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 27, 2012, 10:23:07 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on April 28, 2012, 12:03:59 AM
Post by: high country on April 28, 2012, 06:00:19 AM
Paul has a point. So how did the sage rats taste??
Like a cross between victory and success. They actually eat well, if you don't blow them up. The field we hunt can hardly be walked across due to all the holes.
Post by: CastleRocker on April 29, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
In fact, I'll give you three guesses, (and the first two don't count), who is going to end up paying for that much of that loss eventually.
Rats are NOT Bison, nor Dodo birds, or anywhere close to extinction. Gather the facts and send me a PM. I'd be more than happy to debate this "wasteful slaughter" of rats with anyone.
Does anyone know where to get 17HMR shells cheap? I'm looking forward to our next trip.
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 29, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
sigh
I imagine it depends on the critters were talking about. They are like a Norway rat where there are millions of them. You just don't put a dent into them. Like living next to a field and going through boxes and boxes of Deacon poisoning and never getting the upper hand on the critters. You have to experience it sometime to see what everyone is talking about. I guess you could always Go old school and poison the fields, but that kills everything that feasts on the carcasses.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on May 05, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 05, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
One of the ranchers told me that 30 of those sage rats eat the same amount of alfalfa per day as one cow. Don't know if its true or not, but the locals HATE those critters.
One of the great parts is when you smoke one wait a minute, all his buddies go all cannibalistic, then shoot them too. :chuckle: makes me smile.
Post by: CastleRocker on May 07, 2012, 09:18:42 PM
From my back deck.
HOLY JUMPIN' UP AND DOWN MARTHA!!!
If you EVER want anyone to come to your backyard, my wife and I are very ready, very willing, and very able!
This past weekend is going to cost me some money!
We went over to Yakima to visit my daughter this past Saturday, and took our rimfires. My daughter had a line on some rats, so we went over and shot a bunch. It was hilarious. First thing my wife says when she saw her first one was, "I don't think I can shoot them, they are sort of cute". Then we get to the place where we are to shoot them, and the wonderful lady and her husband show her the damage. She couldn't really relate to the crop damage, but when she saw the lawn and the flower beds...it was game on.
She had only one problem with shooting them after that...she had a hard time spotting them before my son, either daughter, or myself. Whoever spots them first....shoots. Once she got her eyes going, she had a blast.
Now for the expensive part. She informed me that she wants "a 22 like the one I was shooting, and one of those 17's too, and we are going to go to Southern Oregon to do this!"
She has no clue what another 22 like the one she was shooting is going to cost. Not to mention another 17HMR!
This is one expense that I will love to pay.
Post by: actionshooter on May 07, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 07, 2012, 09:26:48 PM
Post by: CastleRocker on May 07, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Hey Castlerocker, I heard of worse problems to have!!
Oh I know! I'll be looking for more Leupold items soon! (hint, hint).
She wants to go down to Oregon this coming weekend for Mother's Day, but I don't think I can round up enough parts to build her the 10/22 she wants in time.
Post by: deleted BGS on May 07, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
Post by: LEN on July 23, 2012, 06:11:40 PM
They DO carry the Plague. IE: Oregon man in Rat area got the plague from a cat, doesn't take a IQ over 3-4 to tell where the cat got it. And it's not just a pill or two and your OK. IT's a long process and easily could end in you being in the hole not the rat.
We go every year at least once for a week, kill from 400-1000 a day and the next day you would swear they copulated overnite. Loads of fun and sure tells one how his shooting is doing and how to read the wind. OR have wind Naaawwww.
LEN
Post by: doyourtime89 on July 24, 2012, 09:27:36 AM
LEN
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Where do you go every year to do some shootin like that. Over in Oregon or somewhere here in WA.
Post by: LEN on July 24, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
But I have heard from guys north of Spokane that there are enough to be interesting, waiting for an invite there.
LEN
Post by: redmist73 on August 07, 2012, 02:49:20 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on August 07, 2012, 04:03:32 PM
I hate to be "that guy" and I'm going to get flamed, (and I won't post in this thread again just so it doesn't drag on forever) but...
This is the kind of thing people were doing *before* passenger pigeons went extinct (or before bison almost went extinct, or the great auk, or a multitude of different shore birds, waterfowl, etc). It also quite possibly could be the most damaging kind of activity to the reputation of hunters as a group. Anything that can be said in defense of this sort of thing WAS being said about any of the aforementioned extinct or nearly-extinct animals I listed (there's actually an incredible amount of literature preserved about people commenting on how many bison, passenger pigeons, etc they shot).
I kill deer, I kill ducks - I've got no problem killing animals. But shooting *hundreds* of anything wild, and throwing them away (if you're eating them or they're destroying your crops, I retract most of this post)... I gotta say it, guys, sorry.
It's disgusting.
There is a big difference between slow growing, long gestating, low litter size mega fauna like Bison and varmints. They breed super fast, have big litters and because of nearby farms, have an artificially large food supply. There just aren't enough coyotes and eagles in the woods to keep their numbers in check. Bison were decimated because they just had no natural defense against rifles. The Indians could only kill so many with their technology. Varmints have a defense against us, they just breed like crazy. Their evolutionary survival strategy is very effective against us killing them all one by one. The Bison's wasn't.
Shooting them to keep their numbers down is the humane option. The other option is poison, which is bad for the soil, the food being grown, and the other critters that die as collateral. I do wonder about the long term effect of shooting thousands of lead bullets per year into the same field, but that's minor in comparison to spraying poison.
The fact that it looks super fun is only a bonus to the actual good it does.
Post by: muzbuster on August 08, 2012, 12:43:45 PM
Very well said! :tup:I hate to be "that guy" and I'm going to get flamed, (and I won't post in this thread again just so it doesn't drag on forever) but...
This is the kind of thing people were doing *before* passenger pigeons went extinct (or before bison almost went extinct, or the great auk, or a multitude of different shore birds, waterfowl, etc). It also quite possibly could be the most damaging kind of activity to the reputation of hunters as a group. Anything that can be said in defense of this sort of thing WAS being said about any of the aforementioned extinct or nearly-extinct animals I listed (there's actually an incredible amount of literature preserved about people commenting on how many bison, passenger pigeons, etc they shot).
I kill deer, I kill ducks - I've got no problem killing animals. But shooting *hundreds* of anything wild, and throwing them away (if you're eating them or they're destroying your crops, I retract most of this post)... I gotta say it, guys, sorry.
It's disgusting.
There is a big difference between slow growing, long gestating, low litter size mega fauna like Bison and varmints. They breed super fast, have big litters and because of nearby farms, have an artificially large food supply. There just aren't enough coyotes and eagles in the woods to keep their numbers in check. Bison were decimated because they just had no natural defense against rifles. The Indians could only kill so many with their technology. Varmints have a defense against us, they just breed like crazy. Their evolutionary survival strategy is very effective against us killing them all one by one. The Bison's wasn't.
Shooting them to keep their numbers down is the humane option. The other option is poison, which is bad for the soil, the food being grown, and the other critters that die as collateral. I do wonder about the long term effect of shooting thousands of lead bullets per year into the same field, but that's minor in comparison to spraying poison.
The fact that it looks super fun is only a bonus to the actual good it does.