Post by: bush_beater on April 25, 2012, 11:10:58 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 26, 2012, 02:19:05 AM
I prefer to leave the breeding to those who have developed a successful business of doing so. Not sure I would know the first thing about breeding good upland pups that hunters like myself would want. I'd leave it to the professionals. But, that's just me and my :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 26, 2012, 05:53:48 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on April 26, 2012, 06:53:34 AM
i'm planning to breed my weim at the end of this year, but if i do, i will probablt hunt her for only half the season, then only take her on easy hunts.
Post by: jetjockey on April 26, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 26, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
Pretty simply, hips, elbows and eyes are the bottom line basics.
From there, most stud dog owners who care about their "good" stud require negative brucellosis test prior to breeding. This is a doggy VD which makes males sterile. Also, if she's in season now, doing progesterone testing is typical so you know exactly when the dog is ovulating and can maximize the potential for a tie and time the swimmers to the eggs.
Probably be a good start to contact the local Visla Club and talk to someone who knows about the breed and the bloodlines of your dog.
http://www.pugetsoundvizsla.net/
Post by: bush_beater on April 26, 2012, 11:37:50 PM
Post by: wildweeds on April 27, 2012, 09:39:43 AM
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2012, 09:42:22 AM
Post by: RadSav on April 27, 2012, 02:25:09 PM
Ive seen females that sported the super saggy nipples after a litter that never sucked up and have owned females that sucked up so tight that you couldn't tell they'd ever been bred.The springer female I had had 4 litters and you would never know it.The setter female I had pups with last summer was shrunk up to pre litter stage when the pups were 10 weeks old. My comment would be................... it depends on the genetics and the individual dog. Be prepared to have a rough row to hoe getting them into homes,it's a non mainstream breed and has a following of its own.A fellow I shoot clays with had a litter of vizlas and ended up giving them away.I had a litter of really nice setter pups and still have 4 of 9 and I gave away 2,sold 2 and the owner of the bitch I leased/bought took one.I was not asking an arm and a leg for them either and the quality is equal to or superior to what I've bought in the past from big name setter kennels.
Good information! :tup:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 29, 2012, 11:20:35 AM
Ive seen females that sported the super saggy nipples after a litter that never sucked up and have owned females that sucked up so tight that you couldn't tell they'd ever been bred.The springer female I had had 4 litters and you would never know it.The setter female I had pups with last summer was shrunk up to pre litter stage when the pups were 10 weeks old. My comment would be................... it depends on the genetics and the individual dog. Be prepared to have a rough row to hoe getting them into homes,it's a non mainstream breed and has a following of its own.A fellow I shoot clays with had a litter of vizlas and ended up giving them away.I had a litter of really nice setter pups and still have 4 of 9 and I gave away 2,sold 2 and the owner of the bitch I leased/bought took one.I was not asking an arm and a leg for them either and the quality is equal to or superior to what I've bought in the past from big name setter kennels.
Knowing a lot of Chessie breeders, most I know(who are smart, which isn't all of them) will not breed the dog unless they have at least 5 people on a waiting list to buy a pup. This ensures that the litter will pretty much be sold and also that the owners are serious about providing a good home for the pups. Shows a level of commitment.
Post by: wildweeds on April 29, 2012, 04:18:28 PM
Post by: Special T on April 30, 2012, 04:00:37 PM
Ive seen females that sported the super saggy nipples after a litter that never sucked up and have owned females that sucked up so tight that you couldn't tell they'd ever been bred.The springer female I had had 4 litters and you would never know it.The setter female I had pups with last summer was shrunk up to pre litter stage when the pups were 10 weeks old. My comment would be................... it depends on the genetics and the individual dog. Be prepared to have a rough row to hoe getting them into homes,it's a non mainstream breed and has a following of its own.A fellow I shoot clays with had a litter of vizlas and ended up giving them away.I had a litter of really nice setter pups and still have 4 of 9 and I gave away 2,sold 2 and the owner of the bitch I leased/bought took one.I was not asking an arm and a leg for them either and the quality is equal to or superior to what I've bought in the past from big name setter kennels.
Knowing a lot of Chessie breeders, most I know(who are smart, which isn't all of them) will not breed the dog unless they have at least 5 people on a waiting list to buy a pup. This ensures that the litter will pretty much be sold and also that the owners are serious about providing a good home for the pups. Shows a level of commitment.
I thinkHappy brings up an important point. On some lesser known breeds it may be easier/ more difficult to do so... I have a friend that bred his german wire hair and was able to sell all 9 of his pups, largely because there are so few people with them... I would imagine a Visila might be the same way, but to do it right, i would think you need to plan it out a little farther than her currnet cycle. :twocents:
Post by: Special T on May 11, 2012, 09:53:01 AM
If you want to or are going to, at least try and do it right by doing a little planning. There are some great people on here that could at least give you some idea what the best way to aproach it is... Even if your not going to go to "breeder" level efforts. I think most people that have pups want them to go to a good home. :twocents:
Post by: wildweeds on May 11, 2012, 05:05:54 PM
I ain't buying the "miracle" of birth ................ for the kids theory,Kids and pups are a good thing but to just fling two together to show the kids something ain't the way to do er IMO.
Do you have kids? A litter of pup s is a lot of fun for kids. And don't listen to the people on here that say you need to go overboard on the testing. For thousands of years people have been having puppies. Now all of a sudden only a breeder can? The best dogs I have seen in the field were born in somebody's garage, and the worst were from breeders that were way over paid for. The reason guys on here are so against people having puppies is because the might not be able to charge twice what their dogs are worth if more people have them.
Post by: bobcat on May 11, 2012, 05:49:46 PM
And, he has to retrieve all his ducks and geese himself. :bash:
Post by: jetjockey on May 11, 2012, 07:16:28 PM
Post by: JJD on May 20, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
I know a guy who died in a car accident even though he was wearing seat belt and had air bag deployed.
Things happen, however I will scew the odds in my favor by wearing my seat belt and having air bags in my vehicle. You do as you choose (as long as law don't catch ya).
Same with dogs, buying a dog from a reputable breeder who cares, will scew the odds in my favor. I put way to much time into my dogs training to have them fall apart on me at less than 10 yrs. Having sire & dam's hips, eyes and other breed specific problems checked are my seat belts. Just like the seat belt, it does not guarranty anything, but it sure scews the odds in your favor.
Your friend got a bad deal. The dog should have been replaced OR the breeder should have refunded $ after proof of neuter. Work this issue out with the breeder before you purchase. Get it in writing.
IMHO, well know lines don't mean squat.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 20, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
Im confused! Are some of you saying you wouldn't breed a female you hunt because it hurts them in the field? That's rediculous. If your female has something to offer the breed then by all means breed her. But make sure you breed to a very good stud dog and make sure they have been tested for the normal stuff like hips etc. when your done, hunt the heck out of her.
Could not have said it better myself. :tup:
Post by: JJD on May 25, 2012, 09:28:07 AM
Im confused! Are some of you saying you wouldn't breed a female you hunt because it hurts them in the field? That's rediculous. If your female has something to offer the breed then by all means breed her. But make sure you breed to a very good stud dog and make sure they have been tested for the normal stuff like hips etc. when your done, hunt the heck out of her.
Could not have said it better myself. :tup:
Yeah, OK.
Just do us all a favor and keep your FM at home when she's in heat.
Post by: jetjockey on May 25, 2012, 10:09:56 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on May 25, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
My neighbor, a hard core waterfowl hunter, bought a lab from what was supposed to be a well known line of hunting dogs, and I believe the dog wasn't even 1 1/2 years old yet when it went blind. Now he's got a blind dog that never leaves his back yard.
And, he has to retrieve all his ducks and geese himself. :bash:
That is called PRA and there is a simple test for it that could have told the "BREEDER" if it was safe to breed the two dogs. IDIOTS!!! Its about a $150 test. This is exactly why you pay more up front for a decent dog.
The $300 puppy isn't often a bargain either. They are $300 because they'll often go to the new home full of worms, with dew claws and no health testing. So, after you get sick puppy healthy after a few vet visits you've paid another $200+/-, take off dew claws for $80something you've spent almost $600 and you have no idea of how good the parents hips or eyes might turn out so, maybe you have the $600 bargain dog for 6 years before its blind and hips are gone....nice.