Post by: coastie hunter on May 16, 2012, 05:16:26 PM
Post by: Johnb317 on May 16, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Everyone wants special status.
Don't get me wrong, I think we need to teach our children to hunt, with, not special or separate season.
IMHO
Post by: coastie hunter on May 16, 2012, 06:29:20 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 16, 2012, 06:48:09 PM
Why 'youth' hunts at all? I learned hunting with my father (birds), and he would let me shoot first.youth hunts normally higher success rates and without the pressure of general season hunts. I think they are great for the kids but archery hunters don't have many youth hunt options.
Everyone wants special status.
Don't get me wrong, I think we need to teach our children to hunt, with, not special or separate season.
IMHO
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 16, 2012, 09:53:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 10:06:32 PM
Also, as a youth, they are still able to apply for all the regular hunts as well- quality, buck, antlerless.
Be sure to put them in for all those so they can at least build points.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:44:16 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 10:50:43 PM
Dont forget 2nd deer for 22.00! :tup:
True, but that's really only an option if you have a modern tag.
Post by: fair-chase on May 16, 2012, 11:11:24 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 16, 2012, 11:20:01 PM
Why 'youth' hunts at all? I learned hunting with my father (birds), and he would let me shoot first.
Everyone wants special status.
Don't get me wrong, I think we need to teach our children to hunt, with, not special or separate season.
IMHO
:yeah:
What else do u need? You get either sex deer hunts starting Sept 1 :dunno:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 16, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
Why 'youth' hunts at all? I learned hunting with my father (birds), and he would let me shoot first.
Everyone wants special status.
Don't get me wrong, I think we need to teach our children to hunt, with, not special or separate season.
IMHO
:yeah:
What else do u need? You get either sex deer hunts starting Sept 1 :dunno:
Really anywhere in the State.... LOL I wish... most of the areas I hunt are 3 point... and for my kids also. Point here is to give the youth a chance to get into the field with a parent, grandparent and have some quality time, and a chance at an animal prior to the general season, just like they get to for Pheasant, waterfowl and turkey. Youth are the future of our sport, and at least in my opinion more important to have a successful fun experience (not saying harvest an animal) than for us. If you don't understand that the reason we try to protect our hunting traditions and heritage is to pass that on to our children and grandchildren then... well :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 11:42:03 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on May 16, 2012, 11:47:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
We've got early archery deer season running right up to early muzzleloader deer season, then muzzleloader elk starts and runs right up to the beginning of modern firearm deer season, etc, etc, etc.
So where could they squeeze in yet another season? Sure, maybe the last week of August, for archery? But what about muzzleloader and modern firearm? It could be done but then you'd have a lot of overlapping seasons.
Post by: winshooter88 on May 16, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Post by: coastie hunter on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Post by: winshooter88 on May 17, 2012, 07:03:42 PM
Post by: Johnb317 on May 17, 2012, 07:15:54 PM
No special seasons when I learned, Hunting with my father was a right of passage.
Don't want to start a firestorm, but could it be that those who want youth hunts want the added time so they don't necesarily have to give up their hunting time? Or would rather not take son or daughter hunting with the ol gang?
What's next, a special hunt for women, then vets, (add your special group here)?
Don't get me wrong, good and excellent reasons for youth hunts etc., but where do we stop? When govt gets involved good intentions have a way of hosing things.
:twocents:
Post by: buckfvr on May 17, 2012, 08:25:54 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on May 18, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 18, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
Post by: Machias Bowhunter on May 18, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
I guess you guys are missing my point. there are some good youth hunts. The best I believe to be is vail 667 where they let the kids in a week early before modern and the deer are not hiding in their holes. There are some nice bucks shot out of 667 during this time. but seeing how my boy is a archer and I cant afford multi season for him this hunt is not an option. I am aware that we can shot doe's because we do shoot them and we love to eat them. but my boy has his heart set on a nice buck this year and we do not get to hunt the rut in archery. Unfortunatly this is not the good old days where the majority of kids grow up hunting and playing outside. I feel that young outdoorsmen should getting every advantage possible to expose them to a positive hunting experience at an early age. When I was growing up I lived in Wissconsin where hunting is a big deal. I am proud to say that I have continued those traditions with my kids and I just want them to have the hunting opportunities I grew up with.
I do agree, get out and do some scouting, I bowhunt and took advantage of the modern youth tags to get the kids into hunting and not because they had their heart set on a nice buck, my daughter missed a nice 3pt last year with her bow road hunting cause she got bored sitting in our blind lol. The point is the youth hunts are for the kids to get into hunting, not to have first chance at that nice buck.
And we do have a option for hunting the rut if you are willing to travel for it, and its the prime time for hunting the rut for whitetails, in the NE corner, we also get the only shot at the rut in 101 where no other weapon has a chance.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 18, 2012, 01:28:17 PM
Post by: elksnout on May 18, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on May 19, 2012, 09:04:55 AM
Kids are the future of are sport nothing more important than getting them in the woods.Some people are too selfish to understand this but I agree completly!
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 19, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Post by: winshooter88 on May 19, 2012, 05:02:46 PM
Post by: Machias Bowhunter on May 20, 2012, 07:12:19 AM
Well isn't that special missed a nice deer while road hunting. That teaching the right way :tup:. I'm not really against it I just wouldn't brag about do it on a open forum.
That is like saying everyone should keep their opinions to themselves, did you read the part about sitting in the ground blind before that, we had spent 3 days, about 8 hrs a day in one, saw a couple of deer but didn't have a good shot, so ya when she got bored took her to the truck to keep her interested in hunting. So tell me where i wasn't teaching the right way!! If we don't keep the kids interested in hunting we are going to lose our future in this sport. I grew up hiking in miles to hunt, as well as spent time road hunting as a kid when I got tired of walking or sitting in the cold or rain, dad kept me interested by changing it up and not allowing me to start disliking going out to hunt with him.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 20, 2012, 08:41:47 AM
Post by: Sneaky on May 20, 2012, 09:05:19 AM
Now, 10 years later, I dump 300 bucks just in licenses back into this state annually to hunt and fish in licenses alone! I'm not so sure I'd be doing that if I never drew youth tags and didn't have any opportunity apart from general seasons. Those memories are what I think about while forking over all the pennies I saved this year while working and going to college. I look at youth seasons/permits as an investment in the health and well-being of future generations as well as a continuance of the sport of hunting/fishing that might not otherwise exist.
Post by: rasbo on May 20, 2012, 09:10:42 AM
Post by: CplRaines on May 20, 2012, 09:12:16 AM
I wanted to hunt as a kid to be like the grownups, to be with the grownups. It was, is, should be a rite of passage.
I didn't want a special season or rules. Then I wouldn't be a part of what the grownups had going on.
I wonder if those that want seperate youth seasons so bad do so because they don't want to take away from their own hunting time to teach/guide the kiddos?
I'm jest sayin. ;)
Post by: Sneaky on May 20, 2012, 09:21:25 AM
Dad took me with him even before I carried a rifle to show me the ropes - wouldn't most dads want to share those memories and experiences with their kids?
Youth can have their own special permits/seasons and still camp out with the adults. When I harvested my first doe dad was hunting for 3pt. or better bucks at the same time.
Most people I have talked to in opposition to youth seasons don't have kids themselves. If anyone should have special opportunity in this state, it should be the kids. Its an investment in the future of outdoor sports. :twocents:
Post by: Machias Bowhunter on May 20, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
I know I was just kinda being a :sas:
Ya wasnt really knocking you I just been reading, and not put my 2 :twocents: in, other people complaining about road hunters, guys that put out feeders or plant food plots or whatever and just rubbed the wrong way at the time lol
Post by: Snapshot on May 20, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
My friend would sometimes let his son miss a few days of school here or there so that he could be with the adults on opening day. When his grades weren't so good the boy had to stay in school and miss the first day(s) of the season.
I, too, grew up in a state that started its deer season on a Saturday. There was no way my parents would have let me miss school for a day of hunting. The weekend starting date was integral to me getting hooked on hunting at a very young age.
By the way, I first met the above-mentioned friend twenty years ago and the 'boy' is now about twenty-seven years old, stays gainfully employed and hunts hard for as many days as his jobs will allow...in Idaho...with his dad, uncle and their friends. That group of at least five regulars have gone out of state to hunt for the past half dozen years because of deep-seeded resentments for the game management practices of this state. Resentments that started with not being able to take a young son hunting on opening day...
Post by: Stickerbush on May 20, 2012, 12:59:04 PM
Why 'youth' hunts at all? I learned hunting with my father (birds), and he would let me shoot first.
Everyone wants special status.
Don't get me wrong, I think we need to teach our children to hunt, with, not special or separate season.
IMHO
for birds its all good, but I would be less likely to take a kid hunting if it was during my big game season. The youth hunts and youth special permits allow kids to get adults to give them their full attention.
Also if the kid only archery hunts, get him to put in for a modern youth tag and let him bring his bow instead. Sounds good to me :tup:
Post by: buckfvr on May 20, 2012, 01:14:47 PM
We should all be looking for ways to uncomplicate and shrink our game laws, not add a few more pages.....