Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2012, 08:05:22 AM
This happened in NE Oregon. Second kill in the same area in as many weeks and all with the stay on killing any wolves.
Five bucks (sheep) in a pen. One killed outright, one severely injured and was euthanized, two injured with questionable prognosis, and one that appears not to be injured (but could be hiding injuries under the wool….time will tell). Still awaiting official declaration from ODFW, but the local biologist tells me (based on the injuries) there is no question it was wolf depredation. Approximate location about 8 miles from earlier depredation. No snow, mud, or dust…so no tracks. ODFW will continue their efforts to trap and collar. He has been near their traps, but so far has lead a charmed life and has avoided the traps. He has been photographed multiple times on trail cameras.
Office press release should be forthcoming from ODFW later today or tomorrow.
This was CONFIRMED Rod
Post by: shoot-em-dead on May 17, 2012, 08:14:32 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 17, 2012, 10:55:21 AM
Damn wolves, how anyone intentionally releases them is beyond me.
That would be a great question for the WDFW................
Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 10:57:12 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 17, 2012, 10:58:59 AM
If you honestly think wolves were released in the state, well, I look at ya like I do any other conspiracy theorists. Still not a shred of proof on that 'semi-truck hauling wolves down the highway' accusation.
What an idiot. Of course they are not going to transport a truck load down the freeway. They don't have to. they have planes and helicopters.
Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
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Post by: seth30 on May 17, 2012, 11:12:07 AM
Of course I'm all for eating wild animals(taste better than that *censored* at the grocery store). But the idea of a state wide elk farm... how exactly is that maintaining the wildness at all?:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: where did the state wide elk farm come from
Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 11:13:25 AM
Post by: Curly on May 17, 2012, 11:14:25 AM
Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 11:17:16 AM
Post by: seth30 on May 17, 2012, 11:17:24 AM
Thats the impression I get from alot here. They want no predators here at all. They want to be the only ones killing elk. Henceforth, making this state just one big elk farm.Really? I love predators, well the ones that are natural. I hunt coyotes, bears, cougars, and bobcats. Heck when wolves become a game animal in this great state, I will hunt them too. The first one I harvest I will put a plaque under it, and it will say "shot on behalf of Humanure" :tup:
Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 11:20:01 AM
Post by: seth30 on May 17, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
God, that would be hilarious!;)
Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2012, 11:31:00 AM
Of course I'm all for eating wild animals(taste better than that *censored* at the grocery store). But the idea of a state wide elk farm... how exactly is that maintaining the wildness at all?
There never has been a statewide elk farm, that's nothing more than an animal rights buzzword. Our wild herds have been consistenly hunted by bear, coyotes, cougars, and humans, with no need for further predation.
You come onto every wolf topic and try to change the topic, you hijack every single wolf topic with your repetitive drivel. I have allowed this to happen for too long you can have 3 days off to sharpen up on your forum manners. If you come back please stay on topic or risk a longer ban the next time.
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Post by: humanure on May 17, 2012, 11:32:56 AM
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Post by: Woodchuck on May 17, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2012, 11:38:49 AM
Longer ban???? when was i ever banned?
You just earned 3 days, it's progressive, if you come back and continue to hijack every topic you post in then we'll give you 7 days next time. I am treating you more fairly than I have ever been treated on any animal rights forum where I posted on topic. :hello:
Post by: seth30 on May 17, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2012, 11:40:40 AM
Email from a friend....
This happened in NE Oregon. Second kill in the same area in as many weeks and all with the stay on killing any wolves.
Five bucks (sheep) in a pen. One killed outright, one severely injured and was euthanized, two injured with questionable prognosis, and one that appears not to be injured (but could be hiding injuries under the wool….time will tell). Still awaiting official declaration from ODFW, but the local biologist tells me (based on the injuries) there is no question it was wolf depredation. Approximate location about 8 miles from earlier depredation. No snow, mud, or dust…so no tracks. ODFW will continue their efforts to trap and collar. He has been near their traps, but so far has lead a charmed life and has avoided the traps. He has been photographed multiple times on trail cameras.
Office press release should be forthcoming from ODFW later today or tomorrow.
This was CONFIRMED Rod
Post by: seth30 on May 17, 2012, 11:44:46 AM
is it possible that the sheep could have suffered injuries from other sheep ramming them in the attmept to escape the wolves, or have had a heart attack? I could imagine a stampede taking place with any livestock in that situation and causing secodary injuries.
Post by: seth30 on May 17, 2012, 11:48:22 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 17, 2012, 11:57:52 AM
Sorry what Im getting at; if the sheep, cattle or horse suffer or die due to wolves, but dont die directly from wolves, IE no bites marks, will the state of Oregon still pay the rancher?
We talked to a rancher in NE Oregon that has lost cattle to wolves. He says the money he gets for the loss nowhere near compensates for the actual loss.
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
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Approximate location about 8 miles from earlier depredation. No snow, mud, or dust…so no tracks. ODFW will continue their efforts to trap and collar. He has been near their traps, but so far has lead a charmed life and has avoided the traps. He has been photographed multiple times on trail cameras.
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but the local biologist tells me (based on the injuries) there is no question it was wolf depredation
I have been involved in depredation cases involving cougar/bear where we skinned the dead animal to check for teeth and claw marks to prove what caused the death. Injuries made while an animal is alive will show trauma, marks after death do not look the same, so by compaing type of marks and whether they are made while the animal is alive or dead, it's as conclusive as you can get without DNA testing. Sounds pretty cut and dried from the way the message was written, unless of course the ODFW brings in a higher up biologist that is a wolf lover and refuses to admit it was wolves.
I'm not sure what the rancher will be reimbursed for? Seems to me if he started with 5 healthy rams he should have 5 healthy rams or equivelent compensation after reimbursement.
It also seems that if his herd is below average weight at the end of the grazing season he should be reimbursed for weight loss.
Post by: bearpaw on May 18, 2012, 06:12:40 AM
the report is out today.....
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018216129_apororegonwolves.html
Second recent wolf attack kills NE Ore. sheep
The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife is confirming a second fatal wolf attack on sheep in Umatilla County in the last two weeks.
The Associated Press
PENDLETON, Ore. —
The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife is confirming a second fatal wolf attack on sheep in Umatilla County in the last two weeks.
The East Oregonian of Pendleton reports ( http://bit.ly/K3uAzd) that last weekend's attack killed one ram and injured three others, one of which later had to be euthanized. The attack on Weston Mountain in northeast Oregon was not far from a wolf attack on sheep that occurred May 2.
The earlier attack killed two ewes and two lambs.
Department spokeswoman Meg Kenagy says investigators can't say for sure whether the most recent attack was the work of one wolf or more than one.
Umatilla District wildlife biologist Mark Kirsch says the wounds on the dead ram were consistent with a wolf attack.
He says the department set traps in an attempt to capture the wolf believed responsible for the May 2 attack.
Post by: seth30 on May 18, 2012, 06:21:04 AM