Post by: Button Nubbs on May 22, 2012, 12:16:26 PM
there is no reason for this dam. please help stop it and sign this petition! share on facebook if you like! :tup:
Post by: Special T on May 22, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 22, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
Post by: FC on May 22, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 22, 2012, 05:01:12 PM
I too can't sign it.
Post by: rasbo on May 22, 2012, 05:04:11 PM
Post by: gaddy on May 22, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 22, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
Post by: Hunterman on May 22, 2012, 07:38:22 PM
I did a power point presentation on this same thing in college. My biggest problem is how it effects native fish runs!
Kind of hard to power your computer with a fish..
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 22, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 22, 2012, 07:56:39 PM
Post by: Special T on May 22, 2012, 11:37:39 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 22, 2012, 11:53:08 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on May 23, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on May 23, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
Post by: Wingin it on May 23, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
Post by: Curly on May 23, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
I will sign a petition to blowup a damn when 2 nuclear power plants are built and running to replace the energy lost. I love reservoirs. usu good fishing and good times.
I agree that more nuke plants need to be built.
This dam doesn't sound like a good idea though. I don't see how they could get through a SEPA determination to get the go ahead. Seems like the fact that there are Kings in the river would eliminate it from a possible hydro dam. Maybe they have a good design for a fish ladder??? Doesn't make sense these days to be proposing a dam where salmon are involved.
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 23, 2012, 04:54:56 PM
I will sign a petition to blowup a damn when 2 nuclear power plants are built and running to replace the energy lost. I love reservoirs. usu good fishing and good times.
there is no dam there now, this is a petition againts snopud building one. i love rivers, good fishing and good times.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 23, 2012, 07:30:04 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 23, 2012, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 23, 2012, 08:21:37 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 23, 2012, 08:24:18 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 23, 2012, 08:45:31 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 23, 2012, 08:53:35 PM
Dworshak hatchery raises cold-water fish species: Clearwater River ‘B’ run steelhead, spring Chinook and coho salmon. IF you kill every fish, it must be true then that of ALL the fish you kill, everyone has been clipped. I'll leave my thoughts on where our tax dollars are going to myself (on this thread).
The dams make Eastern Washington some of the best and highest producing ground in the world. Without the dams and canals, it would be jackrabbits, coyotes and sage. There is no action without it's consequences. But....for me the idea of breaching dams is right up there with making Obama our long time dictator. Both horribibly foolish.
It is not all black and white. The salmon runs of old were out of this world. But, like I said earlier, it isn't only about the fish.
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 23, 2012, 08:58:18 PM
I live by a dam, a good river (the columbia), great fishing and great times :dunno:
the sky and colubia arent even close to being the same.
Fact is.......it isn't ALL about the fish. IF it was, we wouldn't eat them, net them, etc. When I was a Fish and Wildlife major in college, we toured the Dwarshack dam. Now....it's been some time, but I recall on that tour that it was a kill facility. ALL fish were killed and harvested for their eggs and milt which was run through their hatchery. All fish.....want to talk about natives?
thats really too bad about dwarshack. thats something i would not like to see over here. the wild runs of the sky are dwindling, adding a dam to this streach of river would (no pun intended) damn wild summer and winter steelhead, and wild chinook.
But....for me the idea of breaching dams is right up there with making Obama our long time dictator. Both horribibly foolish.
once again, not talking about breaching a dam here...
Post by: Gringo31 on May 23, 2012, 09:08:18 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 23, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
As I said, I don't know enough about that exact situation. I am pro dam and anti windmill. My point was that a dam doesn't kill everything.
right i understand that but this dam is going to ruin PRIME wild fish spawning area. ive caught lots of wild summer runs up there over the years and i have to say they are pound for pound the hardest fighting fish i have ever hooked. it would break my heart to see this happen.
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 23, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 23, 2012, 09:40:21 PM
i would have to say that we have enough dams, wind ect.. in this state. if i remember correctly, the pwr companies are selling tons of electricity to other states, calif being the biggest user, so wa should be producing more than enough for our own needs. I dont care if the excess gets sold off but i see no reason to distroy an ecosystem in this state to create additional power. especially in a system that is being designated for protection by the state legislature & nominated for fed protection by the usfs.
:yeah: Let CA dam the Sacramento River for their power!
Post by: JakeLand on May 23, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 23, 2012, 09:53:13 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on May 23, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 23, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on May 24, 2012, 01:37:46 AM
A 150 million dollar project ought to create some jobs
Doesn't look to be too big of a Dam. Whats the ratio of long term jobs to people evicted upstream?
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 24, 2012, 05:25:18 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 24, 2012, 05:36:48 AM
Project Benefits Include:
•It’s a non-polluting, renewable resource, with no heat or noxious gas releases.
•Provides energy at the times of the year when it’s needed the most.
•One of the best priced renewable energy sources available.
•A locally generated resource right in the PUD’s backyard, minimizing the need for expensive new transmission systems.
•Upgrades to the trap-and-haul facility would ultimately increase fish populations by improving the health of fish being transported upstream to 90 miles of spawning habitat, currently accessed by more than 25,000 fish annually.
•PUD funding for the Washington State Department of Fish & Wildlife’s trap-and-haul facility would provide stability for operations and maintenance of the facility for years to come
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on May 24, 2012, 08:05:13 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 24, 2012, 08:43:58 AM
Where did you get that info? Anytime we start messing with mother nature there are going to be unforseen negative impacts. Who woulda thought putting dams in would ruin wild fish returns when dams were first being introduced? They will provide funding to wdfw for "years to come." How many years? 5? Until the fish stop coming back?
I'm with tikka on this issue, no price is worth it.
Post by: Heartsblood on May 24, 2012, 12:47:42 PM
Post by: FC on May 24, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
Post by: oldcamper on May 27, 2012, 03:13:05 PM
A 150 million dollar project ought to create some jobs
In the obama job market, that would only create 150 jobs :dunno: