Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 03:43:34 PM
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WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
May 23, 2012
Contact: Steve Pozzanghera, (509) 892-7852
Wildlife managers treat dead calf
as 'probable' case of wolf predation
OLYMPIA - State and federal wildlife managers have determined that wolves likely caused injuries that resulted in the death of a calf on a Methow Valley ranch May 18 and that the landowner would qualify for compensation.
The landowner would be the first in the state to qualify for compensation under criteria established by the state's Wolf Conservation and Management Plan adopted late last year.
Steve Pozzanghera, a regional director for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, said it was not possible to say for certain that wolves caused the injuries that resulted in the death of the calf, although evidence at the scene supports that conclusion.
"The calf was mostly consumed by the time the department was called in," Pozzanghera said. "But photos of the carcass taken earlier by the rancher as well as tracks located in the area were definitely consistent with wolves."
Pozzanghera also noted that the 3,000-acre ranch near Carlton is in an area traditionally used by the Lookout wolf pack, and that remote, motion-triggered cameras had photographed two wolves on nearby National Forest land in recent weeks.
The Lookout pack is one of five wolf packs confirmed by WDFW in the state. The department is currently working to confirm other wolf packs.
Officials from WDFW met May 22 with those from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the USDA's Wildlife Services Program to examine the evidence and develop a response to the loss of the calf. All three agencies are involved, because wolves in the western two-thirds of the state are protected as an endangered species under both state and federal law.
The primary goal of the state's new wolf management plan is to protect gray wolves as they reestablish themselves in Washington, but it also includes provisions to compensate ranchers who lose livestock to wolf predation, Pozzanghera said.
Under the new management plan, ranchers can be compensated up to $1,500 per cow for wolf predation classified as "probable." The plan also allows ranchers to be paid up to twice that amount for lost livestock that are "confirmed" to have been killed by wolves on ranches over 100 acres.
In all cases, Pozzanghera urges ranchers who believe they have lost livestock to predation to contact WDFW immediately at 1-877- 933-9847.
"The sooner we can investigate the situation, the better our chances are of determining whether the incident is a wolf kill and whether compensation is warranted," he said. "We also ask that landowners protect the site from disturbances and keep scavengers away by covering the carcass with a tarp."
WDFW currently has $80,000 available to help livestock operators prevent conflicts with wolves and compensate ranchers who lose livestock to predation by wolves. Of that funding, $50,000 was provided by the state Legislature, $15,000 by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and $15,000 from the non-profit organization Defenders of Wildlife.
Post by: loper on May 23, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
I didn't know that the Washington plan allowed for compensation payments for a "probable" depredation; that is actually a positive.
The first of many I'm sure. :(
Post by: Chase 1 on May 23, 2012, 04:15:38 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
Will they be written off as "can't confirm"?
I would imagine that that would be the case.
Post by: Curly on May 23, 2012, 04:29:37 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 04:32:02 PM
"Of that funding, $50,000 was provided by the state Legislature".................I wonder where the money comes from that the Legistature was so nice and provided to them? :dunno:
Wouldn't surprise me to find out it came from our fishing/hunting license fees.
Post by: Curly on May 23, 2012, 04:33:25 PM
Post by: Special T on May 23, 2012, 05:23:51 PM
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WDFW NEWS RELEASE[/quote]
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
May 23, 2012
Contact: Steve Pozzanghera, (509) 892-7852
Wildlife managers treat dead calf
as 'probable' case of wolf predation
OLYMPIA - State and federal wildlife managers have determined that wolves likely caused injuries that resulted in the death of a calf on a Methow Valley ranch May 18 and that the landowner would qualify for compensation.
The landowner would be the first in the state to qualify for compensation under criteria established by the state's Wolf Conservation and Management Plan adopted late last year.
Steve Pozzanghera, a regional director for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, said it was not possible to say for certain that wolves caused the injuries that resulted in the death of the calf, although evidence at the scene supports that conclusion.
"The calf was mostly consumed by the time the department was called in," Pozzanghera said. "But photos of the carcass taken earlier by the rancher as well as tracks located in the area were definitely consistent with wolves."
Pozzanghera also noted that the 3,000-acre ranch near Carlton is in an area traditionally used by the Lookout wolf pack, and that remote, motion-triggered cameras had photographed two wolves on nearby National Forest land in recent weeks.
The Lookout pack is one of five wolf packs confirmed by WDFW in the state. The department is currently working to confirm other wolf packs.
Officials from WDFW met May 22 with those from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the USDA's Wildlife Services Program to examine the evidence and develop a response to the loss of the calf. All three agencies are involved, because wolves in the western two-thirds of the state are protected as an endangered species under both state and federal law.
This is interesting because in this article the WDFW recognises that they are NOT protected in the eastern 1/3 of the state, yet the state protects them there anyway! :bash:
The primary goal of the state's new wolf management plan is to protect gray wolves as they reestablish themselves in Washington, but it also includes provisions to compensate ranchers who lose livestock to wolf predation, Pozzanghera said.
Under the new management plan, ranchers can be compensated up to $1,500 per cow for wolf predation classified as "probable." The plan also allows ranchers to be paid up to twice that amount for lost livestock that are "confirmed" to have been killed by wolves on ranches over 100 acres.
What does it take have "confermed" loss? what is the dividing line? I wish we could find some examples of the line drawn in the sand? if you cannot say with enough certanty that this was a wolf kill, I think you need to have your eyes and or logic examined
In all cases, Pozzanghera urges ranchers who believe they have lost livestock to predation to contact WDFW immediately at 1-877- 933-9847.
"The sooner we can investigate the situation, the better our chances are of determining whether the incident is a wolf kill and whether compensation is warranted," he said. "We also ask that landowners protect the site from disturbances and keep scavengers away by covering the carcass with a tarp."
WDFW currently has $80,000 available to help livestock operators prevent conflicts with wolves and compensate ranchers who lose livestock to predation by wolves. Of that funding, $50,000 was provided by the state Legislature, $15,000 by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and $15,000 from the non-profit organization Defenders of Wildlife.
I too wonder where that 50K comes from...
Post by: Humptulips on May 23, 2012, 09:12:51 PM
Anyone know the contingency plan after 40ish, "confirmed" or "probable" wolf kills add up to 80k? Is that an annual allotted amount? How will this system deal with open range cattle kills, too old...too bad? Will they be written off as "can't confirm"?
I served on the committee that the WDFW used to help write the current policy on payments for damages caused by wildlife. Wolves were not included in it but basically when the money runs out everyone that makes a claim after the moneys gone gets nothing. The next fiscal year it starts over.
I would imagine it would be the same with wolf predation of livestock. They would probably confirm a kill if it was wolf but what's the point if there's no money in the bank.
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 09:25:10 PM
I served on the committee that the WDFW used to help write the current policy on payments for damages caused by wildlife. Wolves were not included in it but basically when the money runs out everyone that makes a claim after the moneys gone gets nothing. The next fiscal year it starts over.
I would imagine it would be the same with wolf predation of livestock. They would probably confirm a kill if it was wolf but what's the point if there's no money in the bank.
:yike:
Post by: sled on May 23, 2012, 09:32:45 PM
Anyone know the contingency plan after 40ish, "confirmed" or "probable" wolf kills add up to 80k? Is that an annual allotted amount? How will this system deal with open range cattle kills, too old...too bad? Will they be written off as "can't confirm"?yeah.. they will raise the license prices again
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 09:37:30 PM
Anyone know the contingency plan after 40ish, "confirmed" or "probable" wolf kills add up to 80k? Is that an annual allotted amount? How will this system deal with open range cattle kills, too old...too bad? Will they be written off as "can't confirm"?yeah.. they will raise the license prices again
LOL, sadly there is likely more truth to that than we think. :chuckle:
Post by: villageidiot on May 23, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Post by: canyelk48 on May 24, 2012, 07:47:11 AM
Who dreamed up this stupid "rule"? So the smaller ranchers' livestock isn't considered as valuable as the ranchers who have large acreages?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 24, 2012, 07:52:59 AM
"Under the new management plan, ranchers can be compensated up to $1,500 per cow for wolf predation classified as "probable." The plan also allows ranchers to be paid up to twice that amount for lost livestock that are "confirmed" to have been killed by wolves on ranches over 100 acres."
Who dreamed up this stupid "rule"? So the smaller ranchers' livestock isn't considered as valuable as the ranchers who have large acreages?
Democrats ?
Post by: buckfvr on May 24, 2012, 08:00:51 AM
Post by: Curly on May 24, 2012, 09:21:46 AM
Provided by the State Legislature my ass......it is taken from us. Everyone who supported wolf recovery needs to be taxed to pay for the cost of having to deal with this animal......why in hell should we be forced to pay....this state is so assbackward crooked it makes me puke. :twocents:
Exactly! I may not even buy a hunting license this year if I find out hunting license dollars are funding this b.s. wolf sh!t. :bash: (I already didn't buy any special permit apps because WDFW has pissed me off so much).
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 24, 2012, 09:24:00 AM
Thanks for posting that; I was about to do the same and then saw this thread. :)
I didn't know that the Washington plan allowed for compensation payments for a "probable" depredation; that is actually a positive.
The first of many I'm sure. :(
The problem is that there's not near enough in the budgeted funds to cover estimated depredation and control costs.
Post by: Killmore on May 26, 2012, 07:42:48 AM
Post by: Humptulips on May 26, 2012, 11:50:40 AM
"Under the new management plan, ranchers can be compensated up to $1,500 per cow for wolf predation classified as "probable." The plan also allows ranchers to be paid up to twice that amount for lost livestock that are "confirmed" to have been killed by wolves on ranches over 100 acres."
Who dreamed up this stupid "rule"? So the smaller ranchers' livestock isn't considered as valuable as the ranchers who have large acreages?
The reason for that is they are trying to stretch the dollars out in the compensation fund. The larger livestock interests were probably represented when they were making the rules and the squeeky wheel gets the grease.
When I was on the Wildlife Conflict Committee the rules agreed on for depredation by coyotes excluded claims for sheep killed by coyotes but cattle were included. Why? The Cattlemans Association showed up at the meetings the Sheep Growers did not.
Post by: bearpaw on May 26, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
"Under the new management plan, ranchers can be compensated up to $1,500 per cow for wolf predation classified as "probable." The plan also allows ranchers to be paid up to twice that amount for lost livestock that are "confirmed" to have been killed by wolves on ranches over 100 acres."
Who dreamed up this stupid "rule"? So the smaller ranchers' livestock isn't considered as valuable as the ranchers who have large acreages?
The reason for that is they are trying to stretch the dollars out in the compensation fund. The larger livestock interests were probably represented when they were making the rules and the squeeky wheel gets the grease.
When I was on the Wildlife Conflict Committee the rules agreed on for depredation by coyotes excluded claims for sheep killed by coyotes but cattle were included. Why? The Cattlemans Association showed up at the meetings the Sheep Growers did not.
The thought that since I own less than 100 acres and if I had cattle killed they are worth less pisses me off too. But I think Humptuplips is probably right, the cattlemen have worked hard to get a compensation fund and the state was probably trying to stretch the budget so they made it more acceptable to the cattlemen just to throw them a bone. :bash:
Post by: turbo on June 06, 2012, 11:10:02 AM