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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Giggles on May 25, 2012, 09:22:13 PM

Title: Arrow weight
Post by: Giggles on May 25, 2012, 09:22:13 PM: Just wondering how strict the state is when it comes to the weight of your arrow. Last year my arrow weighed 424 grains using a 9.3 GPI arrow. I switched to an arrow this year that weighs a little less and comes in at 8.9 GPI. When I do the math I come up about 10 grains lighter which puts me at 414 gr. My draw weight is 70 lbs which puts me 6 grains short of the minimum of 420. If I were to get checked out would the rangers write me up, likely let it slide or is it just a :bdid: to take the chance, and should just lower my draw weight?
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: huntnphool on May 25, 2012, 09:24:49 PM: I have a buddy that was checked last year.

You do know that its 6 grains per pound of pull, not per inch right?
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: Giggles on May 25, 2012, 09:28:34 PM: WOOPS. My mistake.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 25, 2012, 09:30:21 PM: 6 gr's x 70# is 420 gr's.... I'd just add a heavier insert... give you a better FOC also.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 25, 2012, 09:31:12 PM: or just crank the #'s down to 68....
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: arrowflinger on May 25, 2012, 09:33:26 PM: Have you measured your complete finished arrow? With vanes, insert and glue you might make up the 10 grains. I believe that the GPI is just the shaft it's self. :dunno:
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 09:48:24 PM: If you have not checked your arrow on a scale, make sure you check it. You can also add a arrow wrap that will add 10-18g's depending on type and size. Or back your bow off a couple pounds, and yes you can get a ticket for it.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: huntnphool on May 25, 2012, 09:57:32 PM: Add a luminok and you should be okay. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 10:06:07 PM: :spank_butt: Oh no we got phool on luminok's again :chuckle:
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: Todd_ID on May 25, 2012, 10:10:48 PM: Quote from: huntnphool on May 25, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
Add a luminok and you should be okay. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Now that's funny!

I've been checked a couple times in the last couple years. If I were you, then I'd just add a wrap like Carp said and be confident that you're legal. If you've already got wraps, then add another vane, or go to a heavier head, or put a washer in there, or use longer vanes, or add a weight tube, or put a 6" piece of Weed-eater line in each arrow with a drop of glue on it to hold it at the insert, or drop a BB with super glue on it down the shaft, or...well, you get the idea. A wildlife violation follows you for a long time.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: huntnphool on May 25, 2012, 10:12:56 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 10:06:07 PM
:spank_butt: Oh no we got phool on luminok's again :chuckle:

:chuckle:

He will have to wait until after the next vote though. ;)
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: Todd_ID on May 25, 2012, 10:14:54 PM: Quote from: huntnphool on May 25, 2012, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 10:06:07 PM
:spank_butt: Oh no we got phool on luminok's again :chuckle:

:chuckle:

He will have to wait until after the next vote though. ;)
Why? Rasbo isn't even buying a license this year.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: jackelope on May 25, 2012, 10:29:41 PM: I read something the other night about putting 2 inserts in the front end of the arrow.... a little more weight and a little better FOC.

Anyone?
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 11:10:48 PM: I know a few guys that have done that. Also they make solid brass inserts for some arrows. Rather then the normal light weight aluminum inserts.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: Todd_ID on May 26, 2012, 08:02:04 AM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 11:10:48 PM
I know a few guys that have done that. Also they make solid brass inserts for some arrows. Rather then the normal light weight aluminum inserts.

If the guys on TV would start using those, then we'd never see another 4" or 6" penetration on a whitetail buck from a 300+ fps bow. They'd all be blowing through. Weight is critical for penetration; put that weight all up forward and you get true performance.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: buckfvr on May 26, 2012, 08:20:38 AM: SO long as you dont add so much weight forward as to give you spine issues.........
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: coachcw on May 28, 2012, 10:30:38 AM: my bow is 70lbs and my arrow comes in at 418 . my guess is thats within the element of error . plus each bow with change a bit on draw wieght with string streatch and temp . just tell them that your arrow was wieghed at sea level . I got bigger stuff on my mined than three grains of arrow wieght . ig your real worried about it just carry an arrow with a 125 broad head incase you get checked . KE is where its at anyway.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 28, 2012, 10:50:41 AM: Quote from: Todd_ID on May 26, 2012, 08:02:04 AM
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on May 25, 2012, 11:10:48 PM
I know a few guys that have done that. Also they make solid brass inserts for some arrows. Rather then the normal light weight aluminum inserts.

If the guys on TV would start using those, then we'd never see another 4" or 6" penetration on a whitetail buck from a 300+ fps bow. They'd all be blowing through. Weight is critical for penetration; put that weight all up forward and you get true performance.

I always love it when you see someone shoot a buck and the arrow hits and just thuds and goes in like 3". Then they find the deer 2-3 days later and say "well if it wasn't for this broadhead we would have never got this deer" :chuckle: Maybe you should look at your setup :bash: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 28, 2012, 01:43:02 PM: I shoot 438 grains. My bows 64 # 70 yards should be a clean pass through and devastate the lungs and or heart. I don't need 300 fps. I would guess my bow shoots 250 fps or close to. Consistently hitting six inch groups at 55 yards. Driving the arrow 28"+ into straw bails that have to compare in density to the chest cavity of an elk. One thing I saw said heavy arrows carry momentum further thus shoot faster at long range.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: belkaholic on May 28, 2012, 06:10:58 PM: its funny to see all the talk about more weight and more KE. i still get teased for shooting alum. arrows. i shoot 125 gr. broad heads on 2213's at 70lbs. and 29" draw at 256 FPS. what i don't pass through i snap in half! go back to heavy metal baby!
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: buckfvr on May 28, 2012, 06:34:44 PM: Not sayin it cant work for you, but 2213 even with a 100gr broadhead is under spined at 70lbs. They are one of my favorite shafts as is the 2413......I have and use both, depending on what and where I am hunting. 60lb, 30in draw, 28in shafts.
Title: Re: Arrow weight
Post by: et1702 on May 29, 2012, 11:14:41 AM: I agree w/heavy arrows and as much weight up front as possible. I shoot 150gr BH and my total arrow weight is 525gr with almost 20% FOC! At 70lbs & 31.5" draw length this also gives me about 270fps and 89ft/lbs KE. Nothing but complete pass thru on ELK, Bear, Deer for past several years, even when hitting bone!

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