Post by: seth30 on May 29, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 29, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
Post by: seth30 on May 29, 2012, 05:58:44 PM
I do not know but when they wake me up in the mornings its not a good thing for them :dunno: :chuckle::chuckle: I am surronded by neighbors and all it would take is one looking out the window at the right time :yike: Thats why Im checking up on it so I can get my back yard back.
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2012, 06:07:39 PM
Is anyone really going to care if a crow dies? :dunno:
Post by: seth30 on May 29, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 29, 2012, 06:23:54 PM
Post by: BLR 243 on May 29, 2012, 06:28:36 PM
Post by: huntinguy on May 29, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Hopefully not, but I am on Whidbey Island and we have our share of earth muffins :bash: Either way the next crow I see is going to either eat a paintball or some lead, depending on which one is legal :tup:
Paintball would be harassing wildlife... and that would get you in just as much trouble as crow pie. Don't think I would like to have evidence flying around. :bdid:
Post by: Humptulips on May 30, 2012, 12:46:07 AM
Trapping or killing wildlife threatening human safety or causing property damage — Limitations and conditions — Rules.
(1) Subject to limitations and conditions established by the commission, the owner, the owner's immediate family member, the owner's documented employee, or a tenant of real property may trap, consistent with RCW 77.15.194, or kill wildlife that is threatening human safety or causing property damage on that property, without the licenses required under RCW 77.32.010 or authorization from the director under RCW 77.12.240.
(2) The commission shall establish the limitations and conditions of this section by rule. The rules must include:
(a) Appropriate protection for threatened or endangered species;
(b) Instances when verbal or written permission is required to kill wildlife;
(c) Species that may be killed under this section; and
(d) Requirements for the disposal of wildlife trapped or killed under this section.
(3) In establishing the limitations and conditions of this section, the commission shall take into consideration the recommendations of the Washington state wolf conservation and management plan.
Here's what it says about damage;
(5) "Damage" means economic losses caused by wildlife interactions.
So unless you can show economic loss from the crows I would say you are on shakey legal ground if you kill them.
I tried to look up hazing wildlife and couldn't find much except for on The Application for Permit to Trap for Animal Problem it does list hazing as an appropriate method for nonlethal control that is required before a permit can be issued.
Sounds like the paintball gun would be OK but I couldn't find a specific WAC about it.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 30, 2012, 05:51:20 AM
-unattributed WDFW officer
Depredation -
Noun: An act of attacking or plundering. The act of preying upon or plundering; robbery; ravage.
Crows - No bag limit - Oct. 1-Jan. 31 Crows in the act of depredation may be taken at any time.
It sounds to me like they are fair game, because they are plundering the feeder. Killing seems fine in this instance according to the regulations. You might only have to get one before the others start watching their backs.
Post by: shoot-em-dead on May 30, 2012, 06:27:17 AM
Post by: Special T on May 30, 2012, 06:30:20 AM
Post by: CP on May 30, 2012, 06:30:30 AM
I think your biggest issue is discharging a projectile, even an air rifle pellet, in your neighborhood on Tree Hugger Island. You should check your local laws on that first. You have a depredation argument for killing the crows but not if it isn’t legal to shoot an air rifle in your neighborhood.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 30, 2012, 09:59:51 AM
I looked up the "depredation" clause and what it said for Magpies and Crows were If they were in or near a Agriculture field it was depredation.
Source?
"Crows in the act of depredation may be taken at any time." p.68.
"Crows may be taken during the crow season or in the act of depredation. Magpies may be taken only in the act of depredation (damaging crops or other property)." p.77.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01383/wdfw01383.pdf
The regulations say nothing about agricultural fields for crows, and it only lists two examples of acts of depredation in the regulations for magpies. If you are concerned about the agricultural aspect of depredation causing you problems, plant a raspberry plant, blueberry bush, or other "crop" nearby. They seem to like cherries.
Otherwise, wait for crow season to open (Statewide: Oct. 1, 2012 - Jan. 31, 2013).
And to be sure, check your local codes about laws regarding airguns. Mine only says something to the effect of ensuring your backdrop (personal safety and property damage concerns).
http://www.mrsc.org/codes.aspx
Post by: Special T on May 30, 2012, 01:02:58 PM
Predatory birds.
(1) HUNTING PREDATORY BIRDS:
(a) It is unlawful to hunt for or take predatory birds without a hunting license except as allowed under RCW 77.36.030.
(b) Crows and magpies: It is lawful to take crows during established hunting seasons and crows or magpies when found committing or about to commit depredations upon ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such numbers and manner as to constitute a health hazard or other nuisance provided that none of the birds, or their plumage, be offered for sale.
I had a post that will not pull up that talked aobut the defintion of depredation... I will try and find it.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 30, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
232-12-005
Predatory birds.
(1) HUNTING PREDATORY BIRDS:
(a) It is unlawful to hunt for or take predatory birds without a hunting license except as allowed under RCW 77.36.030.
(b) Crows and magpies: It is lawful to take crows during established hunting seasons and crows or magpies when found committing or about to commit depredations upon ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such numbers and manner as to constitute a health hazard or other nuisance provided that none of the birds, or their plumage, be offered for sale.
I had a post that will not pull up that talked aobut the defintion of depredation... I will try and find it.
Thanks. I like the bolded parts. Plant a fruit or shade tree and hang your feeder from that.
Post by: seth30 on May 30, 2012, 02:53:29 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
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I've never seen a crow that wasn't in the act of, on the way to, or on the way back from, an act of depredation.
Thats about the most honest whereto statement I've heard in a long time
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 30, 2012, 03:34:19 PM
Post by: seth30 on May 30, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 30, 2012, 04:11:12 PM
Post by: seth30 on May 30, 2012, 04:32:54 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on May 30, 2012, 05:52:50 PM
With crows I would shoot first and ask questions later. :chuckle:
Is anyone really going to care if a crow dies? :dunno:
i go chewed out by some Green anti hunter people for shooting crows.
and yes i would think you could shoot them because you didn't put the feed out for them and they are eating the food to put out for the other birds
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
i got chewed out by some Green anti hunter people for shooting crows.
:stup: :bash:
Post by: Carnivore on May 31, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
I will clue you in a little .... if you wound one :chuckle: :chuckle be propared for and all out war ....you might want a semi auto pellet gun :chuckle: :chuckle::yeah:
When you shoot one be prepared for the sky to fill with them. They seem to come in flocks when one of their own gets wounded or killed.
Post by: KFhunter on May 31, 2012, 07:49:29 PM
so I stuck a crow decoy at the back of the yard and fired up crow distress - good fun - lot of rukus and disturbed all the neighbors
had a lot of crows circling the house all pissed off
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 06, 2012, 08:58:36 PM
This only happens until you knock of the next one and they witness it. Then it's every crow for there own. They are smart critters. I raised one in H.S. I think the smartest bird I was ever around. I would just be discrete about it and take care of the depredation problem.I will clue you in a little .... if you wound one :chuckle: :chuckle be propared for and all out war ....you might want a semi auto pellet gun :chuckle: :chuckle::yeah:
When you shoot one be prepared for the sky to fill with them. They seem to come in flocks when one of their own gets wounded or killed.
Post by: uplandhunter870 on June 06, 2012, 09:14:29 PM
one dead crow equals lots of live crows investigating
shot one out of my dads cherries last summer with my 410 broke both wings and it went squawking and bawking through the orchard as i tried to chase it down and finish it, by the time i got it i had 20 more overhead and boy were they pissed after it was said and done i was out of shells and we didnt see another crow all summer
Post by: MadHatter on June 06, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Now their cousin the starling... I take out every one I can get a shot off on... :tup:
Post by: j.galloway on June 07, 2012, 06:04:50 AM
Now their cousin the starling... I take out every one I can get a shot off on... :tup:
There have been a ton of starlings around here lately, though unfortunately they hang around city limits. The biggest group lives at/near the school
I didn't mind them that much until they dive bombed my truck
one even hit the drivers side door handle too, just 20 seconds before I was going to open it. :(
Post by: Loki_762 on June 07, 2012, 10:09:32 PM
I also live on Whidbey, and despite being surrounded by tree huggers, I dispatch any and all invasive species that wander into my yard with a pair of EXTREMELY quiet pellet guns. I also take out crows any chance I get. I have found that with crows, you take out 2 or 3, and the rest get wise fast and stay away. If you need help, just shoot me a PM and we can talk. By the way, I'm in Freeland. Where are you at?
Chris
Post by: seth30 on June 08, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
Im outside of OH :tup: I am borrowing Hillbill's airgun at the moment, and there are 10 less starlings, and a rat. The starlings now fly away at the sight of me, and the crows well I havent seen once since I started dropping there the other birds.
Seth
Post by: Loki_762 on June 08, 2012, 08:07:47 AM
Chris
Post by: seth30 on June 08, 2012, 08:10:56 AM
Post by: Loki_762 on June 08, 2012, 08:35:13 AM
Post by: seth30 on June 08, 2012, 08:38:22 AM
I have a million candle light powered spotlight, I bet that would freeze them. I will try the peanut butter. My tree borders the property line and my slob neighbors back yard which is just one huge black berry bush. The rats are coming in and out of that. I will put a big batch of it on the tree and give it a shot :tup:
Seth
Post by: Loki_762 on June 08, 2012, 08:47:14 AM
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