Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2012, 11:59:09 AM
Anyone have any experience with this? Does a piebald mutation cause a deer to look aged? I have seen piebald deer before, and never noticed that they looked different in the face.
She said the eyes of the buck were blue, and you can see there is no pigment in his nose. His antlers don't appear to have normal pigmentation either...
...what do you guys think..?
Post by: runamuk on May 30, 2012, 12:08:52 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hevosmaailma.net%2FSivuston_valokuvat%2FColor%2Fcremello.jpg&hash=400d5496c5abc909f9b2a586d42b626ed60bd99d)
this is a cremello horse
and found a champagne just for comparison...both these horses would just be regular chestnut/or sorrel for the western sorts without their modifying genes
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.homozygous-horses.com%2Fsatin%2Fakhal-teke.jpg&hash=5a760ca538c6586000cec6851adab9a2ee7c3e38)
and realistically these are only 2 of a whole huge list of gene's that change how a red horse or black horse looks. These two seemed closest to what that deer is exhibiting.....the other option is it has acquired a disease that has lead to a de-pigmentation which also can happen in some deficiencies in horses it would be copper deficiency that usually leads to pigment loss...
Post by: Woodchuck on May 30, 2012, 12:18:55 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 30, 2012, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2012, 12:47:49 PM
I have no idea for sure, but would speculate it is genetic. Has some strange antler growth going on to. :dunno:
Well, that's one of the things that has me thinking that it is more than just a genetic mutation. Could be a huge old buck with antlers like that... :dunno:
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Thanks for the info Runamuk. Interesting stuff... :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 30, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2012, 01:42:21 PM
Looks like an albino gene in there somewhere. It also affects the eyes.
Not Albino. The eyes are blue, not pink.
Post by: JODakota on May 30, 2012, 01:55:37 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 30, 2012, 01:59:06 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 30, 2012, 02:19:11 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2012, 02:35:35 PM
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Albinos can have blue eyes
Actually I don't think by definition that is true. Not sure what is going on with this critter. I'd almost google Fallow deer or one of the exotics. Not familiar of them, but something is off with this animal.
Post by: runamuk on May 30, 2012, 02:40:39 PM
True albinism requires pink eyes and pink skin this animal isn't truely pink just showing a loss of pigment. I found some info on moly mines and cervids and some accounts of pigmentation issues but nothing like this, otherwise its mostly white white tails, or the occasional herd of true albino's found mainly on ranches and private estates and those deer are all pretty much white, this deer is not white at least not in these pics it is kinda muddy light clay colored which I found a similar color readily when searching for fallow deer hence my tossing the idea in the ring....
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2012, 02:43:52 PM
Post by: runamuk on May 30, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
I think its a fallow variety. They have almost white ones and ones with spots. This one appears to be similiar to the first if not a cross.
seems we were posting synchronized :chuckle: :chuckle: yeah I got to thinking about the weird antlers and then it hit me what about other deer, not sure where this deer was seen but some searching and comparisons and there are a few things off about that buck besides his color...his tail struck me as odd, antler growth is just not quite right....those fallow have a huge range of colors and have been around a long time
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 30, 2012, 02:58:35 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2012, 02:59:42 PM
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Post by: fish vacuum on May 31, 2012, 01:10:11 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 31, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Post by: runamuk on May 31, 2012, 10:57:02 AM
Yeah, the closer I look at his coat, the more I think that is just ratty winter hair shedding out instead of white spots. He has a big, healthy body.
oh yeah I noticed the ratty shedding hair its the color of the pigment that is so weird around the eyes nose antlers and if the eyes are blue then it is some sort of odd genetic variant color wise....
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 10, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Post by: mfswallace on June 10, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
That is the ugliest SOB I have ever seen. Holy cow he is ugly. Uglier than sin!:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: