Post by: JoshT on August 08, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/do/newreal/release.php?id=aug0608b
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2008, 01:16:07 PM
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Post by: Diehard0123 on August 08, 2008, 03:17:25 PM
They did this at the prison I work at with convicted felons after a big fight at the prison. Does this mean they are saying we are just as dangerous as convicted felons? :bdid:
Post by: littletoes on August 08, 2008, 04:07:22 PM
If we write letters, remember to remind them on how few accidents there have been....in thier own writings, one in the past twenty five years, thats not bad at all, yes it is too many, although I do doubt that any number of new laws/restrictions will not help.
Is there a place where we can send e-mail responses???
Post by: Ray on August 08, 2008, 04:13:01 PM
1) Min age for hunting license
2) Change the opening day of W Wa bear season. Maybe to September?
3) Analyze if the High Buck Rifle Season is still a risky situation.
4) Youths will probably have a new regulation stating how and what constitutes supervision from an adult.
Post by: bowhuntin on August 08, 2008, 04:20:03 PM
Post by: edmondshunter on August 08, 2008, 08:34:35 PM
Having said that, I think a youth hunter can be well trained and safe in the woods with guns. But we should be more diligent in training and supervision of our youth.
As the statement said, the states record of safety says a lot about how training keeps us and other outdoorsman safe. I'm just saying both young and old could use a refresher.
I was bothered by the advise to make lots of noise to make your presents known. Most of us get out to get away from that sorta thing
Post by: sisu on August 10, 2008, 03:47:39 PM
What happened to parenting?
What happened to family time with the family?
Where did common sense go?
Why does government have to act as the family unit today?
Why does government have to think for our society today?
I'm not trying to stir up a poop pile here but what do parents do? I would imagine that 99.9999% of the parents on this site are like my uncle and grandpa, so you probably don't have the answers either. If a married couple is not willing to take the time to be a good set of parents then get yourself fixed and eliminate a problem before it starts.
Post by: sisu on August 10, 2008, 03:52:32 PM
I think mandatory age req. for youth hunters is a good idea. My hunter safety class was full of 10-15 year old kids with there parents helping them along. I wouldn't be in the same room with some of them if guns were involved.
Having said that, I think a youth hunter can be well trained and safe in the woods with guns. But we should be more diligent in training and supervision of our youth.
As the statement said, the states record of safety says a lot about how training keeps us and other outdoorsman safe. I'm just saying both young and old could use a refresher.
I was bothered by the advise to make lots of noise to make your presents known. Most of us get out to get away from that sorta thing
I've assisted with a class here at 9 Mile Falls and I asked the same question about age. The state has not been willing to state an age for taking the class. I believe they took this course of action to avoid a law suit. Secondly, I believe that if hikers should be required just like we are to wear hunter orange or international flourecent pink during said hunting season. If it's required of us why shouldn't they be required to do the same since they are in the same area as us.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 11, 2008, 07:25:40 AM
My arguement is that this was an accident, caused by poor decision making. It could have been done by a twenty year old, a forty year old.... If it had, would there be as much uproar, or legislation considered? I think not.
A total shame and waste of life. The hiker deserved a more careful hunter, and did not get one.
Post by: KillBilly on August 11, 2008, 07:38:29 AM
The arguement about colored clothing is a losing arguement. Many types of hunting are done or can be done in full camo, like bear hunting. I imagine that since the lady was bent over, probably wearing black hiking pants or something dark, that orange would not have been seen anyway. (Her blue parka was obviously not noticed.)
My arguement is that this was an accident, caused by poor decision making. It could have been done by a twenty year old, a forty year old.... If it had, would there be as much uproar, or legislation considered? I think not.
A total shame and waste of life. The hiker deserved a more careful hunter, and did not get one.
Very well said IceMan
Post by: bearmanric on August 11, 2008, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2008, 09:17:05 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 11, 2008, 09:59:15 AM
If they allowed us to bait there wouldn't be any mistaken targets :twocents:
Unless some furbearing pastry starved enviro-whacko jumped in on a bait can.... :chuckle:
Oops, sorry about that.....
Post by: M_ray on August 11, 2008, 11:04:13 AM
That's Funny right there! :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on August 11, 2008, 11:18:04 AM
I have read all of the post's and some of the times sound off and the only change I think there would be to make if any would be a mentor present with young hunters up until a certain age. The stories some have told about how they were introduced to hunting at a young age allways involved a parent or family mamber close and rules applied to their hunts! I had the same at 13 with my Grandfather and then he passed on and I didn't hunt until I was 30. I am not for a lot of changes and more law but I can only wonder if an adult would have been present if this still would have happend?
Post by: MountainWalk on August 11, 2008, 11:26:02 AM
Im due to have a baby show up at the end of August. When he gets old enough, I dont know if I could handle him hunting by his lonesome.
It's strange, this age limit. In some cultures, 14 is a man, and it used to be that way in America.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 11, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on August 11, 2008, 12:10:13 PM
Post by: sisu on August 11, 2008, 08:49:35 PM
I ordered him from Sears.I remember when you could get poultry, feed, etc from Sears and Roebuck.
Glad to hear you are having a wee one. Tell us when the great event happens.
Post by: MountainWalk on August 11, 2008, 11:59:41 PM
Post by: andrew_12gauge on August 12, 2008, 12:13:58 AM
Post by: Aperson on August 21, 2008, 09:23:54 AM
And, if make so it's any harder for my to go modern firearm hunting.i'll, just real oldschool.
And go hunting with a spear and knife.
Post by: bobcat on August 21, 2008, 11:52:39 AM
August 8, 2008
Kohl-Welles plans legislation in response to hunting accident
OLYMPIA – Following the tragic shooting of a grandmother hiking in the North Cascades by a 14-year old hunter, Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle, is looking into potential fixes to state law that could prevent similar tragedies.
“When teens had higher accident and fatality rates than other drivers, the Legislature created the Graduated Driver’s Licenses requirement so teens could become safer and better drivers. I’m working with Senate staff attorneys to determine the merits of creating a similar program for hunting,” said Kohl-Welles. “We’re also checking on requirements in other states.”
On August 2, a woman was fatally shot while hiking after a 14-year-old hunter mistook her for a bear and fired his weapon at her while on federal forestland near Sauk Mountain near Rockport, WA. Washington law currently has no age restrictions on minors hunting unaccompanied by an adult if they have completed a hunting safety course and carry a valid hunting license. However, the law allows persons 14 years old or over to go target shooting with a rifle and without supervision, so long as the minor has a hunter safety certificate and is not trespassing and shooting is allowed where the minor is target shooting.
"This discrepancy doesn’t make sense. It’s just not reasonable to allow a child younger than 14 to hunt while requiring an age restriction of 14 and above to target shoot. In addition, I believe the state can do more to prevent another tragedy by requiring posting of notices at trailheads during hunting seasons so hikers and others using public recreational areas can be aware of the potential risk in the area,” said Kohl-Welles. “Certainly there are responsible teen hunters, but we need to examine this issue thoroughly to ensure public safety as well as their own.”
For additional information, see the Dept. of Fish & Wildlife’s website that outlines the steps that are being considered to address the issue of hunting in “mixed use areas.”
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Post by: Ray on August 21, 2008, 01:09:03 PM
The part about posting signs. That is a lot of signs considering the number of National Forest Trailheads in the state. I'm only not in favor of it because I don't believe it will help much. If someone showed up at the trailhead I doubt most would go home to get some orange ... or even consider changing plans. The fact is that this was an isolated incident and that I don't believe this tragic issue is widespread enough of a problem to be cause for much concern at that level.
Post by: tlbradford on August 21, 2008, 01:18:30 PM
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However, the law allows persons 14 years old or over to go target shooting with a rifle and without supervision, so long as the minor has a hunter safety certificate and is not trespassing and shooting is allowed where the minor is target shooting.
I must be living in a cave, because I never knew about this law.
I am opposed to an age restriction and the posting of signs. I think the system works and any legislation to further infringe on what we are allowed to do would only lead to more and more legislation in the future. The government treat us like we are stupid and can't walk down the street without a list of rules and laws to save us from ourselves. It is such a far cry from the vision our founding fathers had for this country and its form of government.
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