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Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 07:42:58 PM
My dad got drawn for this and i was wondering i on where we should be scouting or just any info that will help us... i expect to call in another big bull for him this year...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: time2hunt on June 08, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Not to burst your bubble but those elk come and go off the private and some times they are never on the firing center and then you hope they even open they right areas out there so you can even hunt. Prepare to spend the whole season out there.
sorry for the news but it a tough hunt!!!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 08:08:30 PM
yeah i know that... uncle told my dad that lol
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: adamR on June 08, 2012, 08:10:17 PM
don't get discouraged though, yes it will be tough hunt but there are a few big big bulls out there, you just have to find them
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: time2hunt on June 08, 2012, 08:10:45 PM
I will keep my ears open for ya I do know where some hold up on the kittitas valley side.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Bigtine96 on June 08, 2012, 08:11:06 PM
Hahahaha, don't know anything about the firing center and put in then want advice. ever hunt bulls on the desert?? You won't hear them and my guess you won't see then.. goodluck
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: benhuntin on June 08, 2012, 08:11:57 PM
they are in there but its a big unit.  You will go threw tires and gas to find them.  We had a buck tag last year and saw a good bull. Good luck           the gate can be a pain, and get the registration done early
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 08:14:48 PM
yeah ive called in 4 bulls for my dad so far and i want it to be 5.. i think we can pull it off
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: benhuntin on June 08, 2012, 08:16:03 PM
Hahahaha, don't know anything about the firing center and put in then want advice. ever hunt bulls on the desert?? You won't hear them and my guess you won't see then.. goodluck
Calm down man that is kind of what this site is about.  Dont help if you dont want to.  Besides there is only 3 muzzle hunts to apply for. :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
lol he should be posting in the losers lounge hahahaha :)
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: benhuntin on June 08, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
yeah ive called in 4 bulls for my dad so far and i want it to be 5.. i think we can pull it off
Pretty tough to call out there. :twocents:  I had the tag 3 years ago and never heard one bugle.  We saw elk every day but you can see forever and closing the gap is tough
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 08:18:44 PM
u said u got drawn for the teanaway last year?... where did u go?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: benhuntin on June 08, 2012, 08:18:48 PM
lol he should be posting in the losers lounge hahahaha :)
that aint gonna help either
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: benhuntin on June 08, 2012, 08:19:30 PM
u said u got drawn for the teanaway last year?... where did u go?
Uhhhh the teanaway ;)
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 08:22:15 PM
You should not put in for the units that you do not know. That unit will be really hard if you do not know where the elk like to hang out at. A person I know had it last year and did not shoot anything. Good luck and start to find info out this weekend.  Try to contact anyone who had this tag and ask for info.

i know where to start looking my uncle has hunted there i just want to know what i dont know...

Yeah where at in the teanaway?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: HntnFsh on June 08, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
You should not put in for the units that you do not know. That unit will be really hard if you do not know where the elk like to hang out at. A person I know had it last year and did not shoot anything. Good luck and start to find info out this weekend.  Try to contact anyone who had this tag and ask for info.

Why not?   He has as much right to put in for it as anybody.  Most guys that draw a tag like that are going to do everything possible to make it pay off.. Just cuz you dont know it now doesnt mean you wont know it in a few months. Maybe not completely and intimately.But well enough to do that tag justice.

This type of remark doesnt surprise me though. I heard it when I drew the Late Swakane rifle tag and looked for advice. I would be surprised if anybody hunted it harder than I did. Fortunately there are members on here that are great at helping others out. They sure helped me out. Instead of telling them not to put in for the tags of their choice.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 08:45:08 PM
well said :) jealousy maybe... lol
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: cem3434 on June 08, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
You should not put in for the units that you do not know. That unit will be really hard if you do not know where the elk like to hang out at. A person I know had it last year and did not shoot anything. Good luck and start to find info out this weekend.  Try to contact anyone who had this tag and ask for info.

Based on your logic and theory, it sounds like your buddy shouldnt have put in for it last year. This site is about sportsmen helping sportsmen, so you don't have to be so pissy when someone else draws a tag that you wanted!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: DeerThug on June 08, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Most of the elk in the TC are on the east side and back along the columbia and travel back and forth from the ag fields east of Moxee.  they can be scattered everywhere, but this is where the majority are.  they like alfalfa

It can be tough.  Get up high and glass.  the comment about gas, tires and the gate are right on.  They usually do manuvers during sept so being there in the rut may be out.  And calling will be a limited tatic.  And they limit the areas you can go on any specific day.

If you can find them in the draws, a stalk is easy, just get in the next draw and pop out on top of them.  If they are out in the flats that is another story.  You could try to set up and ambush.  Set your dad up and then circle around and bump them to him,  that is a long shot but better than none at all.

This hunt is not a sure thing, but it is a chance at a hanford bull.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on June 08, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
You should not put in for the units that you do not know. That unit will be really hard if you do not know where the elk like to hang out at. A person I know had it last year and did not shoot anything. Good luck and start to find info out this weekend.  Try to contact anyone who had this tag and ask for info.

Based on your logic and theory, it sounds like your buddy shouldnt have put in for it last year. This site is about sportsmen helping sportsmen, so you don't have to be so pissy when someone else draws a tag that you wanted!

It is just an opinion.
And biildo5, I suggest to you to search for the other threads about the alkali units in the past. There is really useful info to be obtained in the past threads that will help you on your hunt.

I do not know if you know anyone who works out there or anything, but it would be helpful if you did.  There is some nice ones in there if you are willing to try hard. The hunts out there can depend on the weather. If I were in your shoes, I would be scouting this weekend or asap. Good luck on your quest this year and stock up on spare tires because you'll need them out there.
A guy I know has killed a lot of special permit elk out there.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Dan-o on June 08, 2012, 09:39:01 PM
Congrats!


X3 on good spare tires out there.   Trust me.      :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 08, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
leave the calls at home. take an extra spare. wear tough boots. scout. have a backup plan.

Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 11:21:39 PM
I won't be leaving the calls at home I have called in too many elk to count and I have won calling contests... I know I can call one in with my dad 100yds in front of me and they will walk right by him.. And thanks on the help Deerthug
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Oh ok u should post a pic
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: bucklucky on June 08, 2012, 11:46:36 PM
I won't be leaving the calls at home I have called in too many elk to count and I have won calling contests... I know I can call one in with my dad 100yds in front of me and they will walk right by him.. And thanks on the help Deerthug

A blind squirell will find a nut every now and again  :chuckle: Good luck , hope you guys kill a good one.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 08, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
A good caller can call in a blind bull
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Bigtine96 on June 09, 2012, 01:07:27 AM
A good caller can call in a blind bull

you sound like quite the *censored*
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: benhuntin on June 09, 2012, 08:26:18 AM
A good caller can call in a blind bull
you sound pretty set on callin elk,  but if you dont adjust you may end up with tag soup.  There is alot of spot and stalk out there.  By the way you will be competing with native rifle hunters that will out shoot your smokepole.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: shedcrazy on June 09, 2012, 08:37:40 AM
A good caller can call in a blind bull

My brother's  uncles neighbor's nephew drew also, he said a bull with both eyes gouged out will still come into ya!  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 09, 2012, 08:41:07 AM
My dad got drawn for this and i was wondering i on where we should be scouting or just any info that will help us... i expect to call in another big bull for him this year...

I was coming back from the Pasco Sportsman Show going north on 240 almost to highway 24. I saw nearly 50 elk on the westside of 240. Maybe that might help somewhat.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Bob33 on June 09, 2012, 08:56:11 AM
The challenges of hunting YTC have been well stated: (1) it is a huge area of over 500 square miles; (2) there are 16 training areas, and any or all can be closed at a moment's notice: the elk you see before the season may not be huntable during the season; (3) there are generally not a lot of elk on YTC; (4) access is restricted: there is only one entry point, and you cannot enter the base earlier than two hours before sunrise and must be off no later than two hours after sunset.  If you want to hunt some of the more distant areas, it can take an hour or more just to get there from the entrance each day.

I've hunted for anterless elk a few times since 2006.  I have seen elk but they are few and far between in my opinion.  My experience is that they are usually near the edges of the training center, rather than in the the middle portions.  The southern and northern edges are good places to start.  There are often some elk in the northwestern corner that come on and off the training center in the Badger Pocket farmlands.  It's a several mile hike to get to the area but it's a good place to look.

If you spend enough time there scouting, you may be able to find out from some of the staff on base where they've seen elk.

I agree that calling is probably a poor method because the terrain is so open that elk can see for several miles in most instances.  Get up high with binoculars and spotting scope, and spend a few hours glassing.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 09, 2012, 09:00:36 AM
Thx for the advice
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 09, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
My dad got drawn for this and i was wondering i on where we should be scouting or just any info that will help us... i expect to call in another big bull for him this year...

I was coming back from the Pasco Sportsman Show going north on 240 almost to highway 24. I saw nearly 50 elk on the westside of 240. Maybe that might help somewhat.

Anything big :)...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 09, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
My dad got drawn for this and i was wondering i on where we should be scouting or just any info that will help us... i expect to call in another big bull for him this year...

I was coming back from the Pasco Sportsman Show going north on 240 almost to highway 24. I saw nearly 50 elk on the westside of 240. Maybe that might help somewhat.

Anything big :)...

Couldn't tell. No horns then. There was quite a few though.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: JODakota on June 09, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
A good caller can call in a blind bull

you sound like quite the *censored*

Lol. That is what I was thinking. He's asking for help and getting advice, but just doesn't seem to want to take it. Funny.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 09, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
I only listen to the people that know what they r talking about.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: colockumelk on June 09, 2012, 04:19:36 PM
I only listen to the people that know what they r talking about.

In that case I would listen to this guy. I'll leave it at that.

leave the calls at home. take an extra spare. wear tough boots. scout. have a backup plan.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: adamR on June 09, 2012, 06:51:20 PM
I only listen to the people that know what they r talking about.

for someone needing help you sure are stubborn and cocky aren't ya... good luck on your tag!  Calling sounds like a good idea!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: link on June 09, 2012, 08:03:14 PM
I only listen to the people that know what they r talking about.
And you're the judge of that?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: cem3434 on June 09, 2012, 08:05:42 PM
I only listen to the people that know what they r talking about.

If you want some help, then you might want to start listening. Best of luck to you and hopefully your calling skills are as good as you think. :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: ellensburgpo on June 09, 2012, 10:21:19 PM
I only listen to the people that know what they r talking about.
A good caller can call in a blind bull



you sound like quite the *censored*

Lol. That is what I was thinking. He's asking for help and getting advice, but just doesn't seem to want to take it. Funny.

Good luck...
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 10, 2012, 08:01:46 AM
Yes good luck and remember to get good video of that big one that you call in out there. And remember, it's never to early to make a play for the HWDB of the year!!
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 10, 2012, 08:47:09 AM
A good caller can call in a blind bull

The best elk hunters on the planet adapt to the situation, even if they are world champion callers. Just ask (Paul) Elknut, or Corey. I suggest you do what is best to kill that big bull, versus doing what you have your mind set on. To do any differently is setting yourself up for failure in my humble opinion. This is coming from a guy that FAR prefers calling in his bulls. And for the record it's been a long time since I didn't come home with a punched elk tag. I'm curious how many elk you have personally killed and how old you are.

What I mean is that if a bull is clearly taking a route that allows you to ambush him at close range without him ever knowing you are there, you are making the wrong decision to call. And like I said earlier, ask any good elk hunter, they will say the same thing. The other possibility is that this hunt may open your eyes to what Paul has been saying for years.


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Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: buglebuster on June 10, 2012, 08:56:53 AM
If your such an awesome caller, enter the hunt-wa calling contest. I suspect you'll probably win.

if you are dead set on calling, i would bring a montana decoy... or 2.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Romulus on June 10, 2012, 11:47:38 AM
Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck. 
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Dan-o on June 10, 2012, 11:59:04 AM
Montana decoys might actually be a great suggestion for out there, with visibility being so high.....    :dunno:

I think I'll try  it there this fall...    :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Todd_ID on June 10, 2012, 12:05:22 PM
Montana decoys might actually be a great suggestion for out there, with visibility being so high.....    :dunno:

I think I'll try  it there this fall...    :tup:

Just don't use the rump decoy.  What a visual: a cow elk doing the moonwalk towards a bull in the sagebrush.  :chuckle:
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Post by: billdo5 on June 10, 2012, 02:43:18 PM
Yeah I was thinking a decoy since its so open
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
Yeah I was thinking a decoy since its so open
Just remember - standing behind a legal elk (decoy) during a modern firearm season can be harmful to your health.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: hunterrcc on June 11, 2012, 12:00:02 AM
Yeah I was thinking a decoy since its so open
Just remember - standing behind a legal elk (decoy) during a modern firearm season can be harmful to your health.
LoL thats funny! Spare tire wouldn't be a bad idea or get some new toyo m/t I was lucky didn't get a flat last year. But the guy that said have a back up plan was right because they are know to have the area you hunted the night before closed the next day.
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Post by: wraithen on June 11, 2012, 12:19:15 AM
The sound of automatic gunfire and rockets exploding within 2 km seems to calm them pretty good for some reason.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: colockumelk on June 11, 2012, 07:09:16 AM
Probably because they know you guys can't hit anything Wraithen.   :chuckle:
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Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 11, 2012, 07:51:18 AM
Yes good luck and remember to get good video of that big one that you call in out there. And remember, it's never to early to make a play for the HWDB of the year!!


 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 11, 2012, 07:54:05 AM
Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck.
Well I started calling when I was 12 and in 6 years I called in 4 bulls for my dad I have ok experience.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: h20hunter on June 11, 2012, 08:25:11 AM
Easy there big fella...........yah....big hunter....huge bulls.....we know.......you da man. Just some folks offering some good advice. Don't get all puffed up on 'em.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: C-Money on June 11, 2012, 08:36:06 AM
Good luck! I think the Alkali unit is overlooked by a lot of hunters. If you put in some time, you should pull a nice bull out of there. Way back in the day, I hunted it, and it is a big, open unit. There are some deep, brushy canyons that hold elk year round. Get in there and you will find them.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: WSU on June 11, 2012, 08:46:07 AM
Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck.
Well I started calling when I was 12 and in 6 years I called in 4 bulls for my dad I have ok experience.

There are a lot of people that call in way more bulls than that every year.  Not saying that to be rude, but more to suggest you should listen to a little of the advice on here.  There are plenty of people with more knowledge that you've managed to accumulate in your 6 years of hunting.   :twocents:
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 11, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck.
Well I started calling when I was 12 and in 6 years I called in 4 bulls for my dad I have ok experience.

Can you do us a favor and post a SoundCloud clip of you showcasing your elk calling skills? (An account is free to setup and only takes about 30 seconds if you don't already have one) It's very possible that many of us may have rushed to judgement on you.

For example, I consider myself a slightly above average caller. Here is a clip of me doing some bull sounds.

http://soundcloud.com/slim9300/mixed-bull-sounds (http://soundcloud.com/slim9300/mixed-bull-sounds)

Here is a buddy of mine that I would consider a pretty good caller after he got his new Chuckler EL from Elknut.

http://soundcloud.com/eltaco/thanks-paul (http://soundcloud.com/eltaco/thanks-paul)

So post up some sounds for us.



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Post by: colockumelk on June 11, 2012, 09:52:04 AM
Yes good luck and remember to get good video of that big one that you call in out there. And remember, it's never to early to make a play for the HWDB of the year!!


 :chuckle:

BLUEBULLS don't waste your time.  Remember he only listens to people who "know".  You know people with "experience"  How many bulls have you called in?  Like you've ever killed a large bull.  Pics perhaps :dunno: You know to prove your "knowledge".   :chuckle:
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Post by: coachcw on June 11, 2012, 11:38:33 AM
So hey elk dosn't work ?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: WSU on June 11, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
Hasn't for me, but I'm not as accomplished at calling elk.
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 11, 2012, 12:05:02 PM
Ya I havnt called in 4 bulls yet, maybe someday I can accomplish this feat..
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: shedcrazy on June 11, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
So hey elk dosn't work ?

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2012, 12:28:39 PM
So hey elk dosn't work ?

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
It worked for me, but only three times.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: JODakota on June 11, 2012, 12:33:19 PM
So hey elk dosn't work ?

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
It worked for me, but only three times.

Yea me too I've called in 4 bulls that way :o
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 11, 2012, 02:11:56 PM
So hey elk dosn't work ?

Nevermind. Lol!


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Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 11, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck.
Well I started calling when I was 12 and in 6 years I called in 4 bulls for my dad I have ok experience.

There are a lot of people that call in way more bulls than that every year.  Not saying that to be rude, but more to suggest you should listen to a little of the advice on here.  There are plenty of people with more knowledge that you've managed to accumulate in your 6 years of hunting.   :twocents:
That's how many have been killed in the past 6 years that I've called in lol not how many I've just called in
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Post by: ribka on June 11, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
Any good at calling in mule deer? I drew a late doe archery tag in the Swakane. Appreciate the help


Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck.
Well I started calling when I was 12 and in 6 years I called in 4 bulls for my dad I have ok experience.

There are a lot of people that call in way more bulls than that every year.  Not saying that to be rude, but more to suggest you should listen to a little of the advice on here.  There are plenty of people with more knowledge that you've managed to accumulate in your 6 years of hunting.   :twocents:
That's how many have been killed in the past 6 years that I've called in lol not how many I've just called in
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Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
there is some killer advice in here in a unit I might consider putting in for I wanna thank those who shared :tup:  and for the rest....... you all realize you are arguing your point with a young buck  :dunno: they are headstrong and know all, they cant legally buy beer but they do know everything there is to know and anyone who can buy beer is considered old and suspect ;) as the mom to a 16 and 20 yr old thinking I am familiar with the mentality...angst+ cocky+defensive+knows all+distrust for anyone over 23 ;) :)


good luck kiddo hope you and your dad have a great hunt there is some excellent advice being given here
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Post by: huntnnw on June 11, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
You should not put in for the units that you do not know. That unit will be really hard if you do not know where the elk like to hang out at. A person I know had it last year and did not shoot anything. Good luck and start to find info out this weekend.  Try to contact anyone who had this tag and ask for info.

 :bash:  Hell I put in for Blues elk tags every year and I have NEVER hunted for elk there and nor will I EVER go down and hunt spikes.
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Post by: WSU on June 12, 2012, 09:31:49 AM
Please report back.  I'm curious to see how your roosevelt calling tactics work in the desert.
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 12, 2012, 11:11:18 AM
Calling elk is about much more than winning a calling contest. The worst sounding bugles I have ever heard were actually elk. Success in calling hunter wise bulls is much more dependent on when you call and what your set up situation is rather than the sound of your call.  I dont doubt you have called in lots of bulls. It is relatively easy to call in bulls especially in limited areas if you are willing to put out effort. However it is not easy to call in hunter savvy trophy bulls and the elk in the Alkali tend to be spooky. And unless they visually see something like a decoy to make them think they see what is calling they will hang up and you will be limited in set up locations so if the wind is not right you will be screwed. If you listen you can learn. You are probably a good hunter for your age but experience is paramount as many of us have made every mistake in the book but over time knowing all the ways we failed is what gives success today. I knew it all when I was 20 also. If you keep your mouth shut and your ears open I can guarantee you will have a lot more bulls dead when you are 30 than if you think you know it all. Good luck.
Well I started calling when I was 12 and in 6 years I called in 4 bulls for my dad I have ok experience.

There are a lot of people that call in way more bulls than that every year.  Not saying that to be rude, but more to suggest you should listen to a little of the advice on here.  There are plenty of people with more knowledge that you've managed to accumulate in your 6 years of hunting.   :twocents:
That's how many have been killed in the past 6 years that I've called in lol not how many I've just called in

I missed your sound clip of you bugling. I was really looking forward to hearing you call.

By the way, what calling competitions were you referring to in your earlier post? I have been thinking about giving one a shot myself.


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Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: buglebuster on June 12, 2012, 12:07:43 PM
 :yeah:
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Post by: JODakota on June 12, 2012, 12:12:33 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 12, 2012, 05:20:29 PM
don't overlook the tall sage on the north side of manastash in badger pocket either.  When I say tall I mean hide a standing bull elk tall!  If you are gonna call one in this would be your best bet.  I don't care how good of a caller you are, if a bull can see for a 1,000 yards and there isn't a cow standing where that call is coming from, you are S.O.L.  There is no timber out there and the elk love to sit on the big open ridges where they can see for miles.  These elk get pounded constantly whether it is from the guys on Martinez's land or Roberts land and also the master hunters.  Oh and I also put in for lots of hunts in lots of units and states that I have never even looked at on a map.  I figure I will worry about learning them when I finally draw the tag!  Good luck and like said before register WELL ahead of time and have good tires and spares.  SHALE SUCKS!!!!
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Post by: billdo5 on June 12, 2012, 07:41:24 PM
Thx for the help.. Decoy sounds good
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Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 12, 2012, 07:46:01 PM
Thx for the help.. Decoy sounds good


decoy could work great but it also could work great at getting you killed out there. remember, you'll be hunting with master hunters who have rifles and can shoot cows.
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Post by: ribka on June 12, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
Please report back.  I'm curious to see how your roosevelt calling tactics work in the desert.


 
The terrain and weather ( micro climate)  over at the Firing Center is very similar to the terrain over on the west side. Should not be a problem calling them in using roosy tactics.   Might want to bring a light pair of waders or a small inflatable raft to cross the rivers and lakes on the firing center. And don't forget good quality rain gear and wear heavy wool clothes to stay warm :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Archery King on June 12, 2012, 08:56:37 PM
BAHAHAHAHA call a bull in OUT THERE???  your crazy lol.  I hunted that unit in 2010 for elk archery and it is tough spent seven days hiking my ass off blew a tire burnt a lot of fuel almost got bit by a huge rattle snake and seen few elk.  Saw three bulls killed the third one i seen spot and stalk style.  Never heard a bugle.  The Master hunters screw that hunt up bad (or they did for me) supose to be good ethical hunters right? no chsaseing the elk in a truck shooting out the window is what i watched.  took the elk three days to come back off the private ground.  Start in unit 10 is my best advice.  Good luck 
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Post by: colockumelk on June 12, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
Billdo you day you called in 4 bulls that your Dad whacked. We have a rule on hunt-wa. Without pictures its all lies. Got any pics?
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Post by: buglebuster on June 12, 2012, 09:16:36 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: huntnnw on June 12, 2012, 09:30:54 PM
from what I have witnessed when hunting open terrain elk is they dont talk much if at all..I hunted 149 years ago and never heard a elk once! but saw 30+ bulls a day
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: adamR on June 13, 2012, 06:25:25 AM
BAHAHAHAHA call a bull in OUT THERE???  your crazy lol.  I hunted that unit in 2010 for elk archery and it is tough spent seven days hiking my ass off blew a tire burnt a lot of fuel almost got bit by a huge rattle snake and seen few elk.  Saw three bulls killed the third one i seen spot and stalk style.  Never heard a bugle.  The Master hunters screw that hunt up bad (or they did for me) supose to be good ethical hunters right? no chsaseing the elk in a truck shooting out the window is what i watched.  took the elk three days to come back off the private ground.  Start in unit 10 is my best advice.  Good luck

There sure is a big hatred for master hunters.  How do you know they were master hunters? Did you go up to them and ask to see their card?  How do you know they weren't wanapums?  If they were "shooting out of their window" did you go talk to range control and turn them in?  Seems like the ethical thing to do to me.

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Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 13, 2012, 06:45:37 AM
from what I have witnessed when hunting open terrain elk is they dont talk much if at all..I hunted 149 years ago and never heard a elk once! but saw 30+ bulls a day

true, and those 149 elk actually talk a lot more than the firing center elk.

There's a reason why we don't see a bunch of pictures every year of Hanford bulls bugling and rutting hard.
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Post by: JODakota on June 13, 2012, 10:56:34 AM
Billdo you day you called in 4 bulls that your Dad whacked. We have a rule on hunt-wa. Without pictures its all lies. Got any pics?

 :yeah: and for a guy asking others to post pics he hasn't backed up any of his claims :twocents:
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Post by: youngbuckslayer on June 13, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
had the tag last year vfery little elk saw did miss a nice bull though pm and i can help you out a little.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Archery King on June 13, 2012, 03:44:12 PM
I read the log and asked the range control officer who was on base that morning and he told me only myself and a few master hunters hunting cows.....  they were very light skinned as well.  Its not hard to figure out who is out there and what unit there planning on being in since you half to sighn in and say wich three units you plan to hunt that day.  I did tell range control about it and they said they would look into it.  Obviously most master hunters are ethical hunters but some are not...
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Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 05:54:03 PM
here u go
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Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 05:56:20 PM
:)
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Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
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Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 06:02:29 PM
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Post by: JPhelps on June 13, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
Bildo, you should enter the elk calling contest.  Nice Bulls.
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Post by: link on June 13, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Bildo, you should enter the elk calling contest.  Nice Bulls.
What do you prefer, a reed call or diaphragm? I hear a rusty old hillsbrothers coffee can filled with 2" of grain works well.  Follow the cadence "who cooks for you, who cooks for you all" just like an owl call for locating turkeys. So it would be, Shake..shake..shakeshake.....shake..shake..shakeshaaaaaake! Pretty sure that's how that bull in the 3rd pic. was called in and "harvested". Nice bull eh? :chuckle:
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 13, 2012, 07:04:34 PM
The Yakamas also hunt it pretty hard as well.  My wife and I were half way through a stalk out there and the here comes the truck mobbing out through the sage and they fired 6 or 7 shots between three guys before they finally put the bull down :bash:  My wife was seeing red!  Also had a stalk blown in badger pocket by some hippies and there dogs hiking around.  Idiots were just out there hiking without checking in or anything.  They left in handcuffs after a call to the m.p.'s!  Not saying you can't call out there but take it from a guy who has spent a lot of time out there and who has called in a lot more bulls than most guys, leave the bugle in the truck, bring good glass and when you do find elk sit back, be patient, get the wind in your face,  and make sure your stalking skills are up to par!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 07:31:12 PM
 :sry:
Bildo, you should enter the elk calling contest.  Nice Bulls.
What do you prefer, a reed call or diaphragm? I hear a rusty old hillsbrothers coffee can filled with 2" of grain works well.  Follow the cadence "who cooks for you, who cooks for you all" just like an owl call for locating turkeys. So it would be, Shake..shake..shakeshake.....shake..shake..shakeshaaaaaake! Pretty sure that's how that bull in the 3rd pic. was called in and "harvested". Nice bull eh? :chuckle:
I use primos calls only
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: link on June 13, 2012, 07:34:57 PM
You called in that bull in the 3rd pic?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: boneaddict on June 13, 2012, 07:37:42 PM
Have good tires.   I mean GOOD ONES, and if you don't want to waste time, an extra spare.
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Post by: kramer on June 13, 2012, 09:33:41 PM
your right on the money link. i know for a fact one of those was high fence.
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Post by: wraithen on June 13, 2012, 09:37:10 PM
That bear looks... I've never seen one with a face like that before.
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Post by: buglebuster on June 13, 2012, 09:38:17 PM
your right on the money link. i know for a fact one of those was high fence.

anyone care to enlighten me?
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Post by: ellensburgpo on June 13, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
your right on the money link. i know for a fact one of those was high fence.

anyone care to enlighten me?

X2
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Post by: JODakota on June 13, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
your right on the money link. i know for a fact one of those was high fence.

anyone care to enlighten me?

X2

X3
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Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
lol x4
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Post by: billdo5 on June 13, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
That bear looks... I've never seen one with a face like that before.
the bear was shot in Cle Elum...
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Post by: boneaddict on June 14, 2012, 01:39:08 AM
WOULD NOT use montana decoys out there.    VERY DANGEROUS!
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Post by: link on June 14, 2012, 05:00:11 AM
That bear looks... I've never seen one with a face like that before.
the bear was shot in Cle Elum...
And the bull in the 3rd pic? :chuckle:
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 05:06:01 AM
Up in Canada on 3,000 Acre ranch
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Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 14, 2012, 06:31:13 AM
Up in Canada on 3,000 Acre ranch

those elk and the fire center elk behave in the exact same way ;)
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 08:07:34 AM
Up in Canada on 3,000 Acre ranch

So I guess I'm confused. Are you just posting up pics of daddy's bulls or are you trying to say these are the ones you called in for him?

I'm really curious how many elk you have killed in your 19 years?


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Post by: kirkl on June 14, 2012, 08:24:28 AM
wheres the popcorn emoticon (sp)  :chuckle:
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Post by: buglebuster on June 14, 2012, 08:27:04 AM
Up in Canada on 3,000 Acre ranch

So I guess I'm confused. Are you just posting up pics of daddy's bulls or are you trying to say these are the ones you called in for him?

I'm really curious how many elk you have killed in your 19 years?


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Do you know his pops?
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Post by: shedcrazy on June 14, 2012, 08:35:41 AM
wheres the popcorn emoticon (sp)  :chuckle:

 :con:  I was looking for that also, but this will do :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: WSU on June 14, 2012, 08:42:06 AM
Up in Canada on 3,000 Acre ranch

This is getting awesome!
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
These are the bulls I called in... For my dad
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Post by: coachcw on June 14, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
primos make good calls , but I don't limit my self to just promos calls. If you plan on calling a bull out there id lean towards cow talk' sounds like the bruissers are gonna be pretty smart . I'd stay high spot and stalk . let the bulls dictate the amount of calling or you may just push them to private ground . 
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 14, 2012, 11:20:42 AM
Take home message: Huntin' WA folks are so nice that you can be a complete and arrogant BuTtKnOcKeR to everyone and still get good information on a hunt.
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Post by: blacktail luv on June 14, 2012, 11:41:54 AM
I love this thread it makes me smile. :) Keep it going guys!
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Post by: Gringo31 on June 14, 2012, 11:54:34 AM
Somebody's got a bit of a chip on their shoulder eh?   :chuckle:
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Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: buglebuster
Do you know his pops?

Nope.


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Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 01:46:49 PM
These are the bulls I called in... For my dad

Right.

When are you going to post a voice clip of you calling? Is your bugle of choice the Primos Terminator? I hear that's the best one they make.


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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 02:38:17 PM
Terminator and satellite depends on how the bull responds to the bugle... And I will send u a pic of the first bull I called in for my dad at age 12.. On my way home
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Post by: MtnMuley on June 14, 2012, 02:41:13 PM
I think what we want is to hear your calling skills, not another story or pic of a dead elk.  From the sounds of it, these stories seem to draw some unexpected attention........ :dunno:
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Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 03:13:20 PM
Terminator and satellite depends on how the bull responds to the bugle... And I will send u a pic of the first bull I called in for my dad at age 12.. On my way home

That's funny btw. I always considered "real" calling to mean with a reed, not some call anyone can blow into that doesn't sound anything like a real bull. I used to be embarrassed to use the Terminator when I was your age, since it meant that I couldn't use a reed very well and I thought it sounded like every other hunter out there. I only used it because it worked once in awhile and it was all I could use at the time.

Here's my suggestion. Learn to use a reed and develop some humility in the meantime.

Btw, don't you have field pics of all the bulls you called in for him?


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Post by: h20hunter on June 14, 2012, 03:21:57 PM
Harsh.......kind of like a tennis match............did the popcorn come back yet?
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 14, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
X2 I need some popcorn to watch the rest of this :)
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Post by: ellensburgpo on June 14, 2012, 03:59:40 PM
X2 I need some popcorn to watch the rest of this :)

X3, favorite post at this point...
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Post by: WSU on June 14, 2012, 04:15:52 PM
This forum needs something that allows us to rate different threads.  I give this one 4 stars!
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Post by: MtnMuley on June 14, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
Popcorn?  They need a smiley of a redneck sitting on a 30 bomb of Schmidt Ice with one  in hand!
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Post by: ribka on June 14, 2012, 04:57:52 PM
A reed calll ?? Bwwwaahhaaa

You know what's even funnier?

I could blow both of two wannabee elk callers  away with my Hoochie Mama I bought in 2004.

I can sit in downtown Yakima and call them in from the Firing Center. That dang call is so powerful they cross 4 lanes of traffic on hwy I 82

If you don't have the thumb skills you ain't calling in nutin' with the Hoochie Mama

So good they made a music video aout this call:


Terminator and satellite depends on how the bull responds to the bugle... And I will send u a pic of the first bull I called in for my dad at age 12.. On my way home

That's funny btw. I always considered "real" calling to mean with a reed, not some call anyone can blow into that doesn't sound anything like a real bull. I used to be embarrassed to use the Terminator when I was your age, since it meant that I couldn't use a reed very well and I thought it sounded like every other hunter out there. I only used it because it worked once in awhile and it was all I could use at the time.

Here's my suggestion. Learn to use a reed and develop some humility in the meantime.

Btw, don't you have field pics of all the bulls you called in for him?


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Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 05:26:24 PM
Yeah? I was thinking about giving mine away before I read your post. Now I'm thinking about lugging those awkard things around in the elk woods with me again (right after I wipe the dust off them). ;)


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Post by: colockumelk on June 14, 2012, 06:52:47 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out the hoochie mamma. Some how I'm fingering it wrong and I just cant get the results I'm hoping for. My wife agrees and says I'm horrible with my hoochie mamma skills. She says I'm the worst she's ever seen.  :o

Is there any tips or techniques to help me out. Ribka you seem to have it down pact. Maybe you could put on a hoochie mamma clinic or something  :dunno:   :tup:
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Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 07:01:46 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out the hoochie mamma. Some how I'm fingering it wrong and I just cant get the results I'm hoping for. My wife agrees and says I'm horrible with my hoochie mamma skills. She says I'm the worst she's ever seen.  :o

Is there any tips or techniques to help me out. Ribka you seem to have it down pact. Maybe you could put on a hoochie mamma clinic or something  :dunno:   :tup:

That's good to hear. Your wife told me I was a pro. ;)


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Post by: ellensburgpo on June 14, 2012, 07:31:23 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out the hoochie mamma. Some how I'm fingering it wrong and I just cant get the results I'm hoping for. My wife agrees and says I'm horrible with my hoochie mamma skills. She says I'm the worst she's ever seen.  :o

Is there any tips or techniques to help me out. Ribka you seem to have it down pact. Maybe you could put on a hoochie mamma clinic or something  :dunno:   :tup:

That's good to hear. Your wife told me I was a pro. ;)


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Generations from now historians will point to those two posts an say, " and that is how the war started."
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Post by: buglebuster on June 14, 2012, 07:34:35 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out the hoochie mamma. Some how I'm fingering it wrong and I just cant get the results I'm hoping for. My wife agrees and says I'm horrible with my hoochie mamma skills. She says I'm the worst she's ever seen.  :o

Is there any tips or techniques to help me out. Ribka you seem to have it down pact. Maybe you could put on a hoochie mamma clinic or something  :dunno:   :tup:

That's good to hear. Your wife told me I was a pro. ;)


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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: ribka on June 14, 2012, 07:51:36 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out the hoochie mamma. Some how I'm fingering it wrong and I just cant get the results I'm hoping for. My wife agrees and says I'm horrible with my hoochie mamma skills. She says I'm the worst she's ever seen.  :o

Is there any tips or techniques to help me out. Ribka you seem to have it down pact. Maybe you could put on a hoochie mamma clinic or something  :dunno:   :tup:

My hoochie skillz be tight bro.

Watch the video with the spousal unit and you learn some Hoochie skillz too.
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Post by: h20hunter on June 14, 2012, 08:11:33 PM
Totally tight bro!
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 08:52:13 PM
Terminator and satellite depends on how the bull responds to the bugle... And I will send u a pic of the first bull I called in for my dad at age 12.. On my way home

That's funny btw. I always considered "real" calling to mean with a reed, not some call anyone can blow into that doesn't sound anything like a real bull. I used to be embarrassed to use the Terminator when I was your age, since it meant that I couldn't use a reed very well and I thought it sounded like every other hunter out there. I only used it because it worked once in awhile and it was all I could use at the time.

Here's my suggestion. Learn to use a reed and develop some humility in the meantime.

Btw, don't you have field pics of all the bulls you called in for him?


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That's funny it does sound like a real bull if u know what ur doing
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Post by: buglebuster on June 14, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
Terminator and satellite depends on how the bull responds to the bugle... And I will send u a pic of the first bull I called in for my dad at age 12.. On my way home

That's funny btw. I always considered "real" calling to mean with a reed, not some call anyone can blow into that doesn't sound anything like a real bull. I used to be embarrassed to use the Terminator when I was your age, since it meant that I couldn't use a reed very well and I thought it sounded like every other hunter out there. I only used it because it worked once in awhile and it was all I could use at the time.

Here's my suggestion. Learn to use a reed and develop some humility in the meantime.

Btw, don't you have field pics of all the bulls you called in for him?


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That's funny it does sound like a real bull if u know what ur doing

:chuckle: :chuckle: now thats funny! i can always tell the sound of one of those primos calls, reminds me of my hunting video games i used to play! One time my buddy and i found a pack bugle laying on the ground and we just laughed and left it there.
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Oh and I don't use hoochie mama.. I use cowgirl, imakadabullgocrazy and a few more.. And I do use mouth reeds.. Mainly to stop a bull in close
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Post by: link on June 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
Ok, I can't resist. So, you're telling us you called in that Canadian stock? I don't think you did. I think your dad did and like said before, I bet he used that ole' hillsbrothers can call. Sorry, I just have to keep this going! :stirthepot:
By the way, what was that bulls name?
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 09:08:38 PM
Here is a field pick of the first bull i called for him at 12 happy :)
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Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 14, 2012, 09:28:49 PM
ok... i cant resist anymore, what outfitter did you use in Canada? or what was the name of the farm? i dont understand why you insist on knowing more than an entire group of people who were trying to help you, who combine probably have thousands of more hours calling/hunting elk than you. just take the advice and say thank you because although you are gods gift to a randy elk, what these guys have been telling you is the truth. i guess youll learn the hard way once the hunt rolls around.
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 09:45:54 PM
i am all i said was is that im not leaving my calls at home and they insist on knowing what ive called in and asking for pics of them...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: h20hunter on June 14, 2012, 09:51:17 PM
Sorry...you are in a no win situation here....They gonna keep beating on you.
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
They can try but its not working... i havent taken a punch yet so they are doing a bad job...
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Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 14, 2012, 09:54:41 PM
would you mind sharing what outfitter you used?
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Post by: ellensburgpo on June 14, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
Sorry...you are in a no win situation here....They gonna keep beating on you.

No hope of him clueing in to what the real problem is. It woulda happened already if it was gonna. But funny to watch non the less.
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 09:56:04 PM
yeah seriously im getting a good laugh too...
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Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 09:56:48 PM
would you mind sharing what outfitter you used?
why u want to go up there? lol
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Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 14, 2012, 09:59:08 PM
actually ya, i was looking into sawtooth and grizzly basin outfitters out of Kimberly but it'd be nice to know some first hand experience with some other outfitters...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on June 14, 2012, 10:00:11 PM
there were 4 bulls taken out i will post some pics for u.. my dads was 345 and it was the smallest... the biggest was 408...
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: billdo5
That's funny it does sound like a real bull if u know what ur doing

No it doesn't. Good try though.

I guess you could always prove me wrong with a sound clip.




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Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 14, 2012, 10:59:32 PM
there were 4 bulls taken out i will post some pics for u.. my dads was 345 and it was the smallest... the biggest was 408...

Up in Canada on 3,000 Acre ranch

This is getting good. What is the name of the game farm? I mean ranch? Are you sure it was 3000 acres?


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Post by: hunterrcc on June 14, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
Lets play hangman!!!!!     _ _ _ _   _ _ _ _ _





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Post by: hunterrcc on June 15, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
Lets play hangman!!!!!     _ _ _ _   _ _ _ _ _

I will start it .... how about an .....H.....      H _ _ H     _ _ _ _ _!
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 15, 2012, 07:14:28 AM
How about a D+B??
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Post by: coachcw on June 15, 2012, 07:29:46 AM
Dont tell me big velvet Ranch has a place in Canada too ! This guy has blinders on ! I think I will call in a few 400 inch bulls this year just to get a close look !
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Post by: billdo5 on June 15, 2012, 08:02:28 AM
Dont tell me big velvet Ranch has a place in Canada too ! This guy has blinders on ! I think I will call in a few 400 inch bulls this year just to get a close look !
Go ahead... Have fun
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Post by: link on June 15, 2012, 08:46:00 AM
Isn't a 3000 acre "ranch" in Canada basically the same as a 4 acre feed lot with a loafing shed on it here in the U.S., considering the metric system and all? :chuckle: Why he is taking credit for calling in a bull with an ear tag and a name, I don't know.  :dunno: If I remember correct, that bull was "harvested" about 8 or 9 years ago. I don't think he was even on that high fence "hunt"? By the way, I do know who his "pops" is.
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 15, 2012, 08:49:05 AM
How about a D+B??
  :chuckle:
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on June 15, 2012, 09:03:23 AM
Isn't a 3000 acre "ranch" in Canada basically the same as a 4 acre feed lot with a loafing shed on it here in the U.S., considering the metric system and all? :chuckle: Why he is taking credit for calling in a bull with an ear tag and a name, I don't know.  :dunno: If I remember correct, that bull was "harvested" about 8 or 9 years ago. I don't think he was even on that high fence "hunt"? By the way, I do know who his "pops" is.

Game over. :)


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Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: JPhelps on June 15, 2012, 09:33:48 AM
Bildo,

I have held off on posting anything in this thread as it is not my place or time and i have no help to offer on your dad's alkali tag.

I will offer up some general advice (as I would like to turn everything into a positive). 

-Good elk hunters and callers very rarely brag about their skills.
-The internet is a great resource and I always listen to what other people have to say (and later decipher what I think is true or relevant).  It doesn't help you when you blow off advice and it doesnt hurt to listen without opening your mouth (sometimes a boot is the perfect fit).
-The day I quit wanting to learn stuff from other elk hunters and situations is the day I cut myself short.  I have actually learned a lot from rookie hunters who have tried stuff that is out of the box and has worked.  I always throw that in the bag of tricks, just in case.
-Don't come on the internet and claim to have done something you haven't.  You have just lost all your credibility and it will be tough to get back.

As far as calling elk, it can be done with a hoochie mama, primos external and the terminator (in my mind thay would be equivalent to going to war with nothing but hand grenades and expecting to win).  Calls are just one small aspect.  The right call at the right time, setup and other factors along with quality calling is what matters. 

I would say continue to research the unit, scout, practice your calling and TAKE advice from anyone willing to give it.  Bye the way I hope your ol man smacks a good bull in there.

This is just my  :twocents: and take it or leave it.
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 15, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Check mate thanks for playing haha
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Post by: hunterrcc on June 15, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
How about a D+B??

0-

nothing!!! try again
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Post by: hunterrcc on June 15, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
Isn't a 3000 acre "ranch" in Canada basically the same as a 4 acre feed lot with a loafing shed on it here in the U.S., considering the metric system and all? :chuckle: Why he is taking credit for calling in a bull with an ear tag and a name, I don't know.  :dunno: If I remember correct, that bull was "harvested" about 8 or 9 years ago. I don't think he was even on that high fence "hunt"? By the way, I do know who his "pops" is.

Looks like the game is over..... HIGH FENCE!!! LOL

I am just having fun with thread!!!! 

You will be lucky if you hear one talk at all.  I scout and watch alot of the elk over there more on the hanford side but same terrain and they will talk at night a little but not much even durning the rut.  You will need to hike and spot and stock.  I wouldn't put in for the tag again just from the lack of sign and elk and the bs with the gate check in and limited units open.  Very hard to plan a hunt when you don't know if it will be open where you scouted! 
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Post by: hunterrcc on June 15, 2012, 11:54:18 AM
Dont tell me big velvet Ranch has a place in Canada too ! This guy has blinders on ! I think I will call in a few 400 inch bulls this year just to get a close look !

Those 400" bulls can be in my wife unit oh say about Sept 24! :)
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Post by: UBA on June 15, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
12 pages and 2.5 months til the hunt. This thread has some potential.
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 15, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Dont tell me big velvet Ranch has a place in Canada too ! This guy has blinders on ! I think I will call in a few 400 inch bulls this year just to get a close look !

Those 400" bulls can be in my wife unit oh say about Sept 24! :)

Wow throw that one in our faces haha :chuckle:
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Post by: coachcw on June 15, 2012, 12:29:43 PM
how cute is your wife ? :chuckle:
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Post by: Opportunist on June 15, 2012, 12:43:24 PM
Bildo, I regret giving you info about your desert deer hunt. I feel you only want to hear advice about your dad's hunt if it only aligns with your ill conceived ideas. I've never hunted the alkali but I have bowhunted high desert elk and calling can be a waste of time, spot and stalk, intercepting herd travels are your best bets in open country. Don't ask for help if you can't shutup and listen.
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Post by: coachcw on June 15, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
ouch ! growing pains huh?
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Post by: colockumelk on June 15, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out the hoochie mamma. Some how I'm fingering it wrong and I just cant get the results I'm hoping for. My wife agrees and says I'm horrible with my hoochie mamma skills. She says I'm the worst she's ever seen.  :o

Is there any tips or techniques to help me out. Ribka you seem to have it down pact. Maybe you could put on a hoochie mamma clinic or something  :dunno:   :tup:

That's good to hear. Your wife told me I was a pro. ;)


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Generations from now historians will point to those two posts an say, " and that is how the war started."

Slim and Eburg  :chuckle:  :chuckle:

Slim you probably could.  My wife likes them Slim.   :yike:    :chuckle:
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 15, 2012, 01:10:27 PM
Hahaha! This thread is making work go by so fast! :tup:
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Post by: coachcw on June 15, 2012, 01:14:14 PM
Just killing time ! I'm having serious hunting withdrawls !
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Post by: h20hunter on June 15, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
I'm torn. Which is better...............this thread or the "where is the margeret unit" thread. Both are very entertaining.
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Post by: colockumelk on June 15, 2012, 03:33:55 PM
My brother and I have called in lots of open country bulls. Our calling scenario is simple. It goes like this.

Me:  My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Brother: And Damn right its better than yours.
Me: Damn right its better than yours.
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Post by: h20hunter on June 15, 2012, 03:39:11 PM
That is awesome. Now...later...when I'm mowing the grass and shaking my butt I'll have to explain to my wife why I am singing the milshake song in my head. That will lead to an arguement. She will determine that I have decided to play for the "other team". I'm not saying that is wrong or right......I will admit to her that yes I am a hugger after a few beers but by no means have lost my man card. She will not be convinced. I will attemp to convince her in the garage. She will be unswayed by my charm. We will fight further. I will resort to plying her with cold beer and reassurences, then charm, back to the garage, and again a slap in the face. Eventually she will take the kids, live with her parents, and I will be sleeping in a tent down by the river.

Happy now!!!
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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 15, 2012, 03:43:03 PM
Probably the best post i've read in the last year :chuckle:
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Post by: buglebuster on June 15, 2012, 03:56:01 PM
oh man this keeps getting even better  :chuckle:
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Post by: coachcw on June 15, 2012, 04:08:45 PM
I accually called an open country bull in in montana he came about a quarter mile and ate a arrow . It was one of those times when the rut was just right and he'd has his butt kicked outta the herd and was looking for love.  the thing about those bulls is they wanna see whats making the noise , I don't think that you have to be a pro caller to get bulls in just gotta make them think your a elk , I've herd some preety crappy calls you would swear where u tards but where elk. So I wouldn't say the boy can't call elk and know he's excited as hell for the hunt , just remember juinor there's always room to learn . This is a good place to swap info so I wouldn't try to burn the bridge .
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Post by: slim9300 on June 15, 2012, 04:35:17 PM
That is awesome. Now...later...when I'm mowing the grass and shaking my butt I'll have to explain to my wife why I am singing the milshake song in my head. That will lead to an arguement. She will determine that I have decided to play for the "other team". I'm not saying that is wrong or right......I will admit to her that yes I am a hugger after a few beers but by no means have lost my man card. She will not be convinced. I will attemp to convince her in the garage. She will be unswayed by my charm. We will fight further. I will resort to plying her with cold beer and reassurences, then charm, back to the garage, and again a slap in the face. Eventually she will take the kids, live with her parents, and I will be sleeping in a tent down by the river.

Happy now!!!

I cried just a little. You guys are a hoot!


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Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 15, 2012, 06:11:09 PM

Slim you probably could.  My wife likes them Slim.   :yike:    :chuckle:
[/quote]   Thats why she married you! :yeah:
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 15, 2012, 06:12:43 PM

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Slim you probably could.  My wife likes them Slim.   :yike:    :chuckle:
   Thats why she married you! :yeah:
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Post by: colockumelk on June 15, 2012, 07:59:40 PM
H20 look on the bright side if you played your cards right you could upgrade to "living....in a van.....down..by..the river!". (Yes this thread now has Chris Farley quotes in it)



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Slim you probably could.  My wife likes them Slim.   :yike:    :chuckle:
   Thats why she married you! :yeah:

Man so cold. Betrayed by my own brother.  :chuckle:
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Post by: billdo5 on June 16, 2012, 11:38:25 AM
Random lol
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Post by: billdo5 on June 17, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
I accually called an open country bull in in montana he came about a quarter mile and ate a arrow . It was one of those times when the rut was just right and he'd has his butt kicked outta the herd and was looking for love.  the thing about those bulls is they wanna see whats making the noise , I don't think that you have to be a pro caller to get bulls in just gotta make them think your a elk , I've herd some preety crappy calls you would swear where u tards but where elk. So I wouldn't say the boy can't call elk and know he's excited as hell for the hunt , just remember juinor there's always room to learn . This is a good place to swap info so I wouldn't try to burn the bridge .
:)
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Post by: Dry creek on June 18, 2012, 10:16:19 AM
billdo5 wins the  hunt-washington elk calling contest!!! he is the best!!!
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Post by: billdo5 on June 18, 2012, 11:42:59 PM
Thank u thank u
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Post by: slim9300 on June 19, 2012, 07:56:01 AM
Thank u thank u

Please tell me you are recording a sound clip for the contest?


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Post by: Dry creek on June 19, 2012, 02:51:35 PM
we all are waiting to here it.
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Post by: PlateauNDN on June 19, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
 :yeah:  X's 2
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Post by: sirmissalot on June 19, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
 :yeah: X3... come on Bildo show us your stuff maybe I'll show you my secret pig hunting spot in wynoochee I need a caller for my tag this season  :tup:

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Post by: coachcw on June 19, 2012, 03:47:39 PM
It goe's like this SEuW EEEEE !
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Post by: slim9300 on June 22, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
I can't let this thread die. Sorry guys. We need an afternoon bump. :)


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Post by: Bigtine96 on June 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Let it die i'm tied of it already
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Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 22, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
Let it die i'm tied of it already

 :chuckle: yet you still click on it.
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Post by: billdo5 on June 23, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
Yeah don't click on it lol
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Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Did you get your calling submission in?
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Post by: colockumelk on June 25, 2012, 06:25:34 AM
Did you get your calling submission in?

H20 be patient Rome wasn't built in a day.  Perfection takes time. 
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Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2012, 06:27:49 AM
You are right...thank you for the reminder.
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Post by: colockumelk on June 25, 2012, 06:39:40 PM
 :tup:  8)
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Post by: sirmissalot on June 25, 2012, 09:46:17 PM
I want to hear some more stories from Bildo. This thread is getting boring. Come on Bildo tell us a hunting story, maybe one from the permit you had last year I know you called in some mashers
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Post by: Dry creek on June 26, 2012, 07:28:33 AM
we are all waiting billdo.
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Post by: link on June 26, 2012, 07:01:43 PM
What permit did he have last year?
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Post by: colockumelk on June 26, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
Here ya go guys he posted his story about his Bethel archery hunt in another thread. Enjoy

 
Ya I can tell u exactly where to go.. I just couldn't seal the deal and they started bugling really hard on the last day because of the weather
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Post by: slim9300 on June 27, 2012, 11:43:54 AM
Here ya go guys he posted his story about his Bethel archery hunt in another thread. Enjoy

 
Ya I can tell u exactly where to go.. I just couldn't seal the deal and they started bugling really hard on the last day because of the weather

Wait. So you didn't get a single shot Bildo? I call in multiple bulls every year in OTC units. How is it that with your amazing calling skills you couldn't get it done in a special permit area? Did you only hunt 1 day or something?


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Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 30, 2012, 03:50:21 AM
I just spent two weeks shopping abroad buying Italian shoes and purses and the only thing that keeps me going is getting back to this thread (and red wine)... I finally requisition an iPad and jump straight to HW to see BD's latest accomplishments and, nothing. No new pics no calling instructions. I just don't know how I'm gonna make it...
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Post by: BLUEBULLS on June 30, 2012, 10:54:44 AM
I just spent two weeks shopping abroad buying Italian shoes and purses and the only thing that keeps me going is getting back to this thread (and red wine)... I finally requisition an iPad and jump straight to HW to see BD's latest accomplishments and, nothing. No new pics no calling instructions. I just don't know how I'm gonna make it...

I can only assume that Bildo was out scouting the YTC, saw some elk, belly crawled to 900yards, started calling from his hands and knees and that herd bull ran in so fast he didn't get a chance to get up... bull stepped on both of his hands so he can't type right now.

yeah, I know it's june and we're still a ways away from any rutting activity but come on, this is Bildo we're talking about.

get those hands healed up soon, otherwise it'll hurt pretty bad squeezing on that hoochie mama. :chuckle:
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on June 30, 2012, 05:42:47 PM
Man you guys are mean.......but yet its still funny.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: billdo5 on July 01, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
I hunted the bethel and it was 80degrees out and they would bugle once in the morning then stop and on the last day it got cold and the flip switched and I had a bill and cows go by me at like 5 yards but couldn't do anything because the cows were leading the bull and if I would have they would have taken off.. One had a green collar too lol
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Post by: ellensburgpo on July 01, 2012, 08:06:38 PM
And...here...we...go...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: eburg127 on July 01, 2012, 08:24:45 PM
Drew the rifle tag last year with my dad and hunted a lot of days out there.  Was lucky enough to be there when my dad took his first bull elk (5x5).  It was the only elk that I know of taken during the rifle season.  Muzzy hunters took 3 or 4 bulls out of there though.  The firing center had a lot of areas closed during most of the season for training, and there were a lot of troops out there making BIG booms.  Sounded like a war zone so we didn't see very many elk.  The one bull and a few cows.  We put on a lot of miles in the truck getting up high and glassing.  We located the one bull up high and put a stalk on him when he was bedded down.
Definitely get out there, get registered and get your map they give you.  Just like everyone else says....take a spare tire or two.  If you need additional info, PM me your number I would be happy to help.  Oh, and watch for snattlerakes!!!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on July 15, 2012, 02:43:08 PM
I once called a 6 point bull elk in from a mile away just because my buddy didn't think I could. Had him 30 yards broadside and let him walk, he wasn't much over 300" so I had to pass...
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on July 15, 2012, 05:55:09 PM
I once called a 6 point bull elk in from a mile away just because my buddy didn't think I could. Had him 30 yards broadside and let him walk, he wasn't much over 300" so I had to pass...

You say that like it's difficult. ;)


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Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on July 15, 2012, 07:51:55 PM
Not difficult, but I didn't think that it would be proper to brag about all of the 400" bulls that I called in from only a half mile away...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 15, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
I once called a 6 point bull elk in from a mile away just because my buddy didn't think I could. Had him 30 yards broadside and let him walk, he wasn't much over 300" so I had to pass...

yeah and you promised you'd shoot him if he made in by dark...you let me down!

although you can't shoot the 8x8's if you shoot the 6's :)
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: slim9300 on July 16, 2012, 07:52:24 AM
Not difficult, but I didn't think that it would be proper to brag about all of the 400" bulls that I called in from only a half mile away...

Lol. It must be dozens right? You did have the "magic" tag.


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Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: WSU on July 16, 2012, 09:26:43 AM
I hunted the bethel and it was 80degrees out and they would bugle once in the morning then stop and on the last day it got cold and the flip switched and I had a bill and cows go by me at like 5 yards but couldn't do anything because the cows were leading the bull and if I would have they would have taken off.. One had a green collar too lol

I could very well be 80 degrees every day during September in the desert....
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on August 01, 2012, 03:10:27 PM
True but u can spot and stalk.. In the bethel unit it is really hard to spot them in timber that has deadfall every 5 feet
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: h20hunter on August 01, 2012, 03:20:17 PM
Hey.............he's back! Did you ever get your submission in for the elk calling?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 01, 2012, 03:42:45 PM
True but u can spot and stalk.. In the bethel unit it is really hard to spot them in timber that has deadfall every 5 feet

I was in there last year and didn't have a problem spot and stalking.  I was in there this year and again, nope not a problem getting close to check out this years head gear... :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: 

Hey.............he's back! Did you ever get your submission in for the elk calling?

 :yeah:  X's 2
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 02, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
True but u can spot and stalk.. In the bethel unit it is really hard to spot them in timber that has deadfall every 5 feet

why would you need to spot and stalk?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 02, 2012, 07:40:23 AM
True but u can spot and stalk.. In the bethel unit it is really hard to spot them in timber that has deadfall every 5 feet

why would you need to spot and stalk?

 :yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:  I was thinking the same thing.  Why would the most elite elk calling champion need to spot and stalk??? :o :o :o :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: 
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: hunterrcc on September 09, 2012, 11:48:14 PM
Your going to want to buy some black shirts and pants it looks like since they have a fire burning up the sage and grass that way the elk your calling don't see you?  Just kiddin around... Have you been out there yet and got your lay of the land and bs gate check ins down?  Good luck
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 06:22:57 AM
westside bull... 6x6 missed u guys so much lol :)
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 06:24:30 AM
another pic
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: h20hunter on September 13, 2012, 06:28:28 AM
Nice looking bull, congrats.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 06:29:18 AM
thx
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 06:34:18 AM
side view
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 13, 2012, 07:05:46 AM
Heavy Bull!! Good job man!!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Gringo31 on September 13, 2012, 07:19:52 AM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 13, 2012, 07:39:11 AM
Snap!! Chalk one up for BD.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Skillet on September 13, 2012, 07:42:49 AM
Great bull BD-

Am I the only one that thinks it's hilarious that for as much crap as Billdo got from some guys on here about calling elk he's one of the few of us who have gotten it done so far this year and posted up the result?

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: aer212 on September 13, 2012, 07:51:33 AM
Good job, and thanks for sticking around with all the crap you had to put up with.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 13, 2012, 08:00:12 AM
Nice looking rosie and I agree, that's one way to make a statement about your calling "skills".
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: h20hunter on September 13, 2012, 08:05:24 AM
Nope Skillet....you are not the only one. Good for him to put up instead of simply shutting up. Looks like a great bull to me and far better than I have done. I can only assume by the pictures that Mr. Bildo (thats right, I threw in a Mr.) is used to the taunting due to the fact that he is a ginger kid. We all know that with the current culture of bullying life can be tough when you are a red headed outcast. Made fun of, passed over by the girls, a minority really. I can only guess that living life as a carrot top has thickened his skin and toughened his resolve. For that I appluade him!

Bildo...I of course am kidding and teasing. Again....great bull and thanks for posting him up.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: deerslyr on September 13, 2012, 08:10:15 AM
Well I guess thats a way to prove a point.... :chuckle: One of the better west side bulls of the year so far!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 09:29:01 AM
Another bull was taken out too 6x6
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: coachcw on September 13, 2012, 09:45:10 AM
cuddos , nice bull .
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: bearpaw on September 13, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
westside bull... 6x6 missed u guys so much lol :)

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: sweet, way to go....  :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: adamR on September 13, 2012, 10:07:48 AM
Congrats, hows your alkali scouting going?
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
I'm not scouting it lol my dads the one that got drawn :)
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Maybee-R on September 13, 2012, 10:28:34 AM
Good luck out there. they are talking just like anywhere else in this state. I say call this time of year.
Congrats on your 6x6 and nice looking Elite.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 10:36:56 AM
Wow u can tell that's an elite bow?? U got one...
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: royalbull on September 13, 2012, 10:40:40 AM
I drew the modern tag years ago 2006 I think most of the training center was closed that year for training, I did see some elk, but few, a guy that worked in there told me where they would be otherwise I might have never even seen one. ended up getting all of my points back that year because of the conditions, I know your dad tell him to leave the muzzy at home and take that 90 lb recurve instead if he still has it.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: Maybee-R on September 13, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
Wow u can tell that's an elite bow?? U got one...

I own a couple of them. lol, Been with Elite  bows since day one.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: micdude on September 13, 2012, 10:43:25 AM
nice bull, can you say shoulder mount.... :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 11:26:56 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: benhuntin on September 13, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
Great bull, is that private? :dunno:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Dan-o on September 13, 2012, 09:16:29 PM
OK.....   There was some serious fun poked at Billdo, and that's cool.   He took it like a man.    But, I think it's time a few of the mean spirited doubters manned up and sidled in with their apologies.

Billdo........... :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Dan-o on September 13, 2012, 09:46:28 PM
I feel as though it's my civic duty to bump thsi thread for folks to see Billdo's bull   (and maybe even man up, hint, hint)
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: iRem on September 13, 2012, 09:49:05 PM
westside bull... 6x6 missed u guys so much lol :)
Ok I'll give up some props after I ask a question! When did you get that Elk, last year, this year or 2 years ago? I haven't seen it that wet on either side of the mountains for a long time. I can only remember it being that wet on the ground or on a dead elk 2 years ago when we actually had some weather like that! It just seems to be too wet to have take  it this year or last! Just wondering! I don't need to know what GMU it came from, but if you want to drop a line on that as well I'll take? And Yes, nice looking Elk!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: billdo5 on September 13, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
Sunday night it was raining here... I shot it Monday morning the 10th that's why it looks wet and it was down by a river....
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: TommyH on September 13, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
Nice looking rosie and I agree, that's one way to make a statement about your calling "skills".


 :yeah: The best way!! Good job man! Nice bull!
Title: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: iRem on September 14, 2012, 09:13:49 AM
Sunday night it was raining here... I shot it Monday morning the 10th that's why it looks wet and it was down by a river....
Well done Billdo!! Well done!!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: colockumelk on September 14, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
Nice bull. You need to post up a story quick.  Everyone volunteered me to make up a story for you. If you dont trust me mine will be much more entertaining :chuckle: but also total fiction. So post up the real one so we can read it. And good job.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: bankwalker on September 14, 2012, 08:19:18 PM
Nice bull. You need to post up a story quick.  Everyone volunteered me to make up a story for you. If you dont trust me mine will be much more entertaining :chuckle: but also total fiction. So post up the real one so we can read it. And good job.

That story I would love to read  :chuckle:

Nice bull! I never got to join in the billdo bashing. But I'm sure this bull shut a few of you guys up  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: mulehunter on September 14, 2012, 08:37:11 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Fowlweather25 on September 14, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
Nice job bud! Way to shutup the nay sayers! Keep a low profile in that open country in the alkali. Those critters over there use the open terrain to their advantage just the way we do. Stealthy spot and stalk with minimal vocalizing will give you a larger edge than calling. Good luck man.

Looks like you've been involved in more elk blood than most people in this forum twice your age, keep it up. :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: ellensburgpo on September 14, 2012, 09:03:44 PM
Congrats on a nice bull.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: billdo5 on September 15, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
I will post the story ASAP... When I get on the computer that is takes t long on the phone
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: colockumelk on September 15, 2012, 07:18:08 PM
I will post the story ASAP... When I get on the computer that is takes t long on the phone

Good because the version I wouldve made up would have been really funny for us but at your expense :chuckle:  In all seriousness good job.  We all can't wait to hear the story. :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Scottystyle on September 17, 2012, 03:13:51 PM
This Bildo guy reminds me of a friend I once had..... Very wild imagination, turned into a habitual liar.  We gave him an indian name of Walking Eagle, because he was too full of sh$& to fly.   I would like for Bilbo to prove himself, but seems hes not fairing well in the court ofpublic opinion. prove us wrong dude.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Scottystyle on September 17, 2012, 03:17:02 PM
This Bildo guy reminds me of a friend I once had..... Very wild imagination, turned into a habitual liar.  We gave him an indian name of Walking Eagle, because he was too full of sh$& to fly.   I would like for Bilbo to prove himself, but seems hes not fairing well in the court ofpublic opinion. prove us wrong dude.  :twocents:

nevermind.... im a dick, and will be the first to admit it  :bash:  didnt go back far enough to see the pics and stuff... My appolgies  :hello:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 17, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
I'd have to agree with dan-o  :dunno: :chuckle:  yes, there were some minor issues earlier this year and up til the most recent post with his harvest he pretty much took his lickings and kept on ticking.  Sure, many of us poked and prodded at his stories and antics and everybody got a good laugh but, he stayed and shared a nice bull that he called in and harvested.  Until I hear or see otherwise that this bull isn't what is being said it is congrats to the hunter and being able to stomach a whole lot of salt.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Scottystyle on September 17, 2012, 03:28:42 PM
It was my bad, i admited that...when im wrong i do just that.  The last i checked the thread there was no story or pics, then i saw clockum elk posted he couldnt wait for the story.... Not realizing pages of post had gone by since.  sO... I was thinking... Come on dude poop or get off the potty.  Its was my bad. I will gladly accept *censored* ofthe week award with much humility  :sry:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... need some help.
Post by: flyguide on September 18, 2012, 08:05:05 PM
Terminator and satellite depends on how the bull responds to the bugle... And I will send u a pic of the first bull I called in for my dad at age 12.. On my way home

Congrats on the bull!  Although this quote above still makes me laugh.  Seriously?  Come on man!  Get some reeds if you haven't already.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: X-Force on September 19, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
Congrats. Great looking bull. I cant believe this thing is 18 pages and the kid stayed with it.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: billdo5 on September 25, 2012, 10:55:40 AM
I didnt use terminator reed just the bugle and a diaphragm made by bugling bull game calls get real
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Cougeyes on September 25, 2012, 10:57:48 AM
You find any elk in Alkali yet? 
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 25, 2012, 11:04:07 AM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: billdo5 on September 25, 2012, 12:03:22 PM
my dad went over and they are still doing training so he decided hes heading back october 1... thats when they will be done.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on September 25, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
Nice Bull man!  :tup: Congratz and good luck to ur Dad on his tag as well!! :tup:
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: 7ultra on September 25, 2012, 07:14:58 PM
well billy boy you showed most of these guys and most of them were *censored*s billy can play some sweet music with the bugle and cow calls i like how everybody tells him hes full of *censored* now look at all of you eating crow love it billy boy and you can come call mine in for me monday if you want see you over there
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: coachcw on September 25, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
the problem isn't calling in a bull the problem is calling in a bull in the firring center . I believe thats where all the ripping started . The center is such a vast open place that see's native preasure I just dont see bulls comming in like they do in the timber . For all i know Bildo didn't call his bull in maybe he did his home work and spot and stalked or sat on a elk route . either way good luck on your fathers hunt I hope he can pull one outta there !
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: kirkl on September 25, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
Pm sent. Heard where some mite be.
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 26, 2012, 07:05:31 AM
Pm sent. Heard where some mite be.

some might be one less now ;)
Title: Re: Alkali muzzy bull tag... Billdo Got bull.. Westside 6x6
Post by: Bigtine96 on September 26, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Gonna need more scouting than that bud..
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