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Title: Why??
Post by: ian_padron on February 14, 2017, 05:41:23 PM
Spoke with a WDFW officer this week regarding the presence of a non-aiding dog during the harvest of a bear.

Apparently it's just as illegal to kill a bear with a Golden Retriever at your side as it is to use a pack of trained hounds.

Where do they come up with these rules? Seems like it'd be a pretty easy judgement call on if a guy was using his dog as an aid or not.

I figure if I'm in a wilderness area trout fishing in August, my dog is going to be there, and I see a lot of bears. Might as well start packing the rifle, but apparentl that's unlawful....

This state is a dumpster fire at times haha.

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Title: Re: Why??
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 14, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
Can't you get the dog to be an emotional support dog?  Then you have handicap laws on your side.  You can get it designated for certain issues like anxiety, detachment, depression.  If dog's can roam the grocery store and sniff everything on the lower shelves, might as well take them bear hunting too.
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: garrett89 on February 14, 2017, 06:44:12 PM
Well the WDFW will assume your dog would be for hunting in one way shape or form. Can't bend the rules unless like said above, unless proven as a emotional support/disability worker dog. If they bend the rule just because of the breed or you say you'll keep it by your side will make others say they have 1+ hounds with them.
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 14, 2017, 06:48:52 PM
My Chihuahuas are natural bear dogs :chuckle:
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: ian_padron on February 14, 2017, 08:41:49 PM
Can't you get the dog to be an emotional support dog?  Then you have handicap laws on your side.  You can get it designated for certain issues like anxiety, detachment, depression.  If dog's can roam the grocery store and sniff everything on the lower shelves, might as well take them bear hunting too.

Now that right there is a good idea...

I'll claim that I suffer from anxiety related to not being able to hunt with my dog....so I got a dog to be a service dog so that I could hunt with a dog LOL
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: ian_padron on February 14, 2017, 08:43:52 PM
My Chihuahuas are natural bear dogs :chuckle:

Right?!?! That's what I was thinking too.

Like what WDFW officer in their right mind is going to think that my duck dog and hiking buddy played any sort of role in killing or tracking a bear haha.

The WDFW constantly blows my mind.
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: EmeraldBullet on February 14, 2017, 09:00:12 PM
Can't you get the dog to be an emotional support dog?  Then you have handicap laws on your side.  You can get it designated for certain issues like anxiety, detachment, depression.  If dog's can roam the grocery store and sniff everything on the lower shelves, might as well take them bear hunting too.
If you say you suffer from anxiety and depression they might take away your guns in this state (or right to have them)
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: saylean on February 15, 2017, 05:45:09 AM
My dog most identifies as a cat, so I guess its ok. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: TheSkyBuster on February 15, 2017, 05:52:59 AM
My Chihuahuas are natural bear dogs :chuckle:

Wouldn't hunting bears with a chihuahua be considered baiting?
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 15, 2017, 05:55:16 AM
Take the bear down the wildlife officer is not about to get out of his truck to make it into the wilderness area
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 15, 2017, 05:56:15 AM
My Chihuahuas are natural bear dogs :chuckle:

Right?!?! That's what I was thinking too.

Like what WDFW officer in their right mind is going to think that my duck dog and hiking buddy played any sort of role in killing or tracking a bear haha.

The WDFW constantly blows my mind.

I personally think they should shut that department down and give it to the state police. Same way Oregon does it. hell you read about more poachers being caught in a week, then Washington catches in a year. Mostly cause they don't have a department full of clowns fighting over who gets the animal planet camera guy to ride with them.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: Widgeondeke on February 15, 2017, 06:08:02 AM
Can't you get the dog to be an emotional support dog?  Then you have handicap laws on your side.  You can get it designated for certain issues like anxiety, detachment, depression.  If dog's can roam the grocery store and sniff everything on the lower shelves, might as well take them bear hunting too.
If you say you suffer from anxiety and depression they might take away your guns in this state (or right to have them)

I was gonna same the same thing. 
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Title: Re: Why??
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on February 15, 2017, 06:36:46 AM
So, can I shoot an incidental bear with my shotgun while rabbit hunting?
Never mind the 80 pound beagle that I have with me.
It looks like a foxhound, but it's not.
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 15, 2017, 07:01:19 AM
3 or 4 years ago, me and the lab were grouse hunting and he ran a bear up a tree.  I had a bear tag, had a slug, but didn't shoot because I didn't want to break a law.  It also wasn't a very big bear and I didn't know if a sow was close. 
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: runamuk on February 15, 2017, 08:18:15 AM
Can't you get the dog to be an emotional support dog?  Then you have handicap laws on your side.  You can get it designated for certain issues like anxiety, detachment, depression.  If dog's can roam the grocery store and sniff everything on the lower shelves, might as well take them bear hunting too.

Now that right there is a good idea...

I'll claim that I suffer from anxiety related to not being able to hunt with my dog....so I got a dog to be a service dog so that I could hunt with a dog LOL
Emotional support dogs technically are not protected class of service dogs. Nor are therapy dogs.  I know as I am researching service dogs requirements for Ada access.  All those emotional support dogs that you see are technically violating the rules, unless they perform specific service like picking up dropped things for someone in say a wheelchair. 

This does make me wonder however if a service dog in the act of working would fall under those guidelines.  I wonder if you would have to be a disable hunter and I wonder what qualifies.  I am avoiding that label like the plague for reasons, but I do wonder.
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: Dan-o on February 15, 2017, 08:56:52 AM
"!ut officer, I was just up here hiking with my pack of 5 blue Healer emotional support dogs!"

 :yike:
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: JDHasty on February 15, 2017, 09:09:49 AM
Back in the 1980's I used to meet up with a friend of a friend who carried a beagle in a pack basket and snow shoed (cross country skied) around until he cut a cougar track and then would track it out until close then put the dog down and the race was short.  He shot a lot of lions, and to the best of my knowledge the beagle was never killed. 

Why a lion would go up a tree instead of kill that beagle was always a mystery to me. 
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
Back in the 1980's I used to meet up with a friend of a friend who carried a beagle in a pack basket and snow shoed (cross country skied) around until he cut a cougar track and then would track it out until close then put the dog down and the race was short.  He shot a lot of lions, and to the best of my knowledge the beagle was never killed. 

Why a lion would go up a tree instead of kill that beagle was always a mystery to me.
That was back when all cougars were afraid of dogs and the sounds they made. They were properly conditioned. I think you would find trying that now would get the dog killed.
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: JDHasty on February 15, 2017, 10:04:55 AM
Back in the 1980's I used to meet up with a friend of a friend who carried a beagle in a pack basket and snow shoed (cross country skied) around until he cut a cougar track and then would track it out until close then put the dog down and the race was short.  He shot a lot of lions, and to the best of my knowledge the beagle was never killed. 

Why a lion would go up a tree instead of kill that beagle was always a mystery to me.
That was back when all cougars were afraid of dogs and the sounds they made. They were properly conditioned. I think you would find trying that now would get the dog killed.

You have a point there. 
Title: Re: Why??
Post by: ian_padron on February 15, 2017, 08:46:24 PM
"!ut officer, I was just up here hiking with my pack of 5 blue Healer emotional support dogs!"

 :yike:
Lmao

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