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Title: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
I know this will look like a silly unlikely senerio, but I sometimes hunt places this could be a very realistic encounter.........

So if a person is just out of the wilderness area and a buck is in the legal wilderness area would it be legal to take the shot? I have looked through the regs and didn't see anything that addressed this. And no offense to anybody, I'm not looking for guess's or opinions. Just facts on if that would be legal or not.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Bob33 on August 25, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
You could be considered hunting in an area that is not open to hunting, so it would not be legal.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
You could be considered hunting in an area that is not open to hunting, so it would not be legal.
If I'm looking for game in a legal area and shoot an animal in a legal area I think there could be an argument to be made? I was hoping someone knew of something in the laws clearly spelled this out. And just to be clear wouldn't do this unless I knew it was legal. A buddy and I were talking about this today is why I brought it up.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: GUscottie on August 25, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
Here's my  :twocents: on this....

Where were you? in an area not legal to harvest an animal
Where was the animal? In a legal area...
If a cops sees this:He's going to cite you and charge you with hunting in an area you're not supposed to be in.

I personally wouldn't want to risk my $$ (for a lawyer and all the legal fees) and my hunting rights over a situation like this. If you get charged with a crime like this in WA, you lose your hunting in 42 or 44 states for x-years...Not even worth it in my opinion
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Bob33 on August 25, 2017, 02:11:59 PM
It doesn't necessarily even require someone to shoot from a closed area to be considered hunting.

(62) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
Here's my  :twocents: on this....

Where were you? in an area not legal to harvest an animal
Where was the animal? In a legal area...
If a cops sees this:He's going to cite you and charge you with hunting in an area you're not supposed to be in.

I personally wouldn't want to risk my $$ (for a lawyer and all the legal fees) and my hunting rights over a situation like this. If you get charged with a crime like this in WA, you lose your hunting in 42 or 44 states for x-years...Not even worth it in my opinion

I agree with you.  Just wondering if there is anything in the law that addresses this senerio. Do both animal and hunter need to physically in the area? Or just the animal being harvested need to in open area? I  would surely think hunter in open area shooting animal in closed would be a sure no no.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 25, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
Because the location of the hunter is what determines whether it is legal or not in that case, a deer in a closed area would not be legal.

The deer is not the one doing the "hunting."
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 02:29:28 PM
It doesn't necessarily even require someone to shoot from a closed area to be considered hunting.

(62) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010

Seeing that I would have agree it would not be legal probably or something a person would most likely be sited for. The only argument that could be made is a person was not trying to kill, injure, harass, ext. In a closed area if the animal targeted was known to be in an open area.

Just figured this must have been addressed at some point with the amount of miles of wilderness borders there are in this state. And even the cases one gmu is open and the bordering one is closed in other seasons.

Edit: to add to that a person could spot a deer in a legal area while not being in that area. And put a stock on it making sure he was physically in the legal area when he pulled the trigger. But by the letter of the law you sited he began "hunting" in a closed area because that is where the effort to kill originated?
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 02:33:40 PM
Because the location of the hunter is what determines whether it is legal or not in that case, a deer in a closed area would not be legal.

The deer is not the one doing the "hunting."

You kind of lost me there, or didn't read it right? Fully would think if the deer is in a closed area it would be illegal.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Bob33 on August 25, 2017, 02:34:29 PM
I once was in a situation where elk were in an area closed to hunting, across the road from an open area. I asked an enforcement officer if someone could legally push the elk from the closed area into the open area. He said it could be considered hunting to push them across the road, even without having a firearm.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
I once was in a situation where elk were in an area closed to hunting, across the road from an open area. I asked an enforcement officer if someone could legally push the elk from the closed area into the open area. He said it could be considered hunting to push them across the road, even without having a firearm.

I could sure see how they could use the harass part of the law there. Interesting reading the law you posted and reading your last post.  A person could be considered hunting with no weapon and no intent killing an animal.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Ridgerunner on August 25, 2017, 03:16:25 PM
Grey area for sure, a guy could say that he was hunting bear in the area that was closed to the high buck.  I bet its up to the investigating officer if shooting across a wilderness boundary from one GMU into another would be enough to consider it a violation.  the deer that died would have been in an open area for the hunt so it could be legal who knows.....
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 25, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
Because the location of the hunter is what determines whether it is legal or not in that case, a deer in a closed area would not be legal.

The deer is not the one doing the "hunting."

You kind of lost me there, or didn't read it right? Fully would think if the deer is in a closed area it would be illegal.

Don't think that you read it right, see the bolded parts, we are both saying the same thing there, just using different words.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: trophyhunt on August 25, 2017, 03:29:08 PM
I personally would shoot it, but maybe it would be the same thing as shooting from the side of the road?
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 25, 2017, 03:39:29 PM
Because the location of the hunter is what determines whether it is legal or not in that case, a deer in a closed area would not be legal.

The deer is not the one doing the "hunting."

You kind of lost me there, or didn't read it right? Fully would think if the deer is in a closed area it would be illegal.

Don't think that you read it right, see the bolded parts, we are both saying the same thing there, just using different words.

I'm a bit slow!
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 25, 2017, 03:48:56 PM
I personally would shoot it, but maybe it would be the same thing as shooting from the side of the road?

Not really, because if done right, shooting from the side of the road is legal.

Think more along the line of standing in an open unit and shooting a deer in a clearing that happens to be in a park.

One area is open the other is not.  The deer is killed in a closed area, so it was not legally taken.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 25, 2017, 03:57:47 PM
My examples are based on the OP's assertion that he knows the area the deer is standing is open and he is in a closed area.

Since the burden lays on the hunter to know his location and boundaries/property lines, GMU restrictions or requirements, etc. I can't see a situation where if discovered, he could put up a good arguement for not being cited.

Possibly could argue no intent to violate the law to the Judge if he didn't know that where he was standing was closed , but I don't think if it went that far, the hunter would walk away without some degree of a penalty.


Corrected my mistake...thanks for seeing it, cause I sure couldn't!!   :DOH:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 25, 2017, 04:25:37 PM
My examples are based on the OP's assertion that he knows the area the deer is standing is closed.

Since the burden lays on the hunter to know his location and boundaries/property lines, GMU restrictions or requirements, etc. I can't see a situation where if discovered, he could put up a good arguement for not being cited.

Possibly could argue no intent to violate the law to the Judge if he didn't know that where the deer was standing was closed, but I don't think if it went that far, the hunter would walk away without some degree of a penalty.

Op said the deer was in the open area, shooter outside of open area.  ;)
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: 3nails on August 25, 2017, 04:27:54 PM
 This seems like a no brainer to me. If outside of the open area that would be hunting in a closed area regardless of where the buck is standing. Also not having hunter orange on would make it illegal also.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: huntnfmly on August 25, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
Beat me to it boss.
Yes the op is in closed area deer is not
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 25, 2017, 04:28:56 PM
My examples are based on the OP's assertion that he knows the area the deer is standing is closed.

Since the burden lays on the hunter to know his location and boundaries/property lines, GMU restrictions or requirements, etc. I can't see a situation where if discovered, he could put up a good arguement for not being cited.

Possibly could argue no intent to violate the law to the Judge if he didn't know that where the deer was standing was closed, but I don't think if it went that far, the hunter would walk away without some degree of a penalty.

Op said the deer was in the open area, shooter outside of open area.  ;)

Thank you, I read that 3 times and knew something was not right...just couldn't see it!!!   :bash:


Will correct it! 

Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: teanawayslayer on August 25, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
 You would be hunting from a closed a unit there for illegal illegal illegal!  But I guess if you have enough money you could get out of it pretty easily!  :hello:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 25, 2017, 04:38:26 PM
Because the location of the hunter is what determines whether it is legal or not in that case, a deer in a closed area would not be legal.

The deer is not the one doing the "hunting."

You kind of lost me there, or didn't read it right? Fully would think if the deer is in a closed area it would be illegal.

Don't think that you read it right, see the bolded parts, we are both saying the same thing there, just using different words.

I'm a bit slow!


Don't feel bad, you aren't the only one!!!!
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: blacktailer on August 25, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Dang Cboom.  Looks like you'll actually have to hike your sorry butt up the mountain rather than relying on that new long range shooting stick...
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on August 25, 2017, 09:58:00 PM
Grey area, therefore default to NOT shooting. 

I have asked this specific question to tenured WDFW officers and received conflicting answers; which I have no problem with.  Officers, prosecutors, and judges all conflict within their own professions at times.  I'm not a risk taker when it comes to fish and wildlife laws (or any law), so when in question don't send it, and plan an alternative kill solution.





   
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on August 25, 2017, 10:02:16 PM
If you really want to know, contact F&G.  Don't ask for legal advice from forum. I know a lot of guys do, but man!  Do you really want to entrust your hunting privelages to a bunch of guys sitting in front of their computers with a beer In one hand and their.......uhhhh, mouse, in the other?     :chuckle:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: robescc on August 25, 2017, 10:26:35 PM
Why do a few of you guys think thus is a grey area? It's Black and White. You hunt and shho within the boundary. It would be the same as shooting across GMU  boundaries when the one you are in is closed to hunting.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 26, 2017, 12:58:55 AM
Why do a few of you guys think thus is a grey area? It's Black and White. You hunt and shho within the boundary. It would be the same as shooting across GMU  boundaries when the one you are in is closed to hunting.
Please show me the law that shows its black and white. I can't find  it? Like I said in my original post I'm not interested in opinions.  I am interested in the law.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 26, 2017, 01:03:04 AM
You would be hunting from a closed a unit there for illegal illegal illegal!  But I guess if you have enough money you could get out of it pretty easily!  :hello:

You might not really understand what I'm talking about here. Like I said to begin with please post factual laws. Not interested in opinions.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 26, 2017, 01:07:54 AM
Dang Cboom.  Looks like you'll actually have to hike your sorry butt up the mountain rather than relying on that new long range shooting stick...

Those big shooting sticks you speak of are only good for a bit over a mile. Still a bit of work  involved!
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Curly on August 26, 2017, 06:06:41 AM
I think the only real way to know the answer would be to do it and get cited, then go to court and see what a judge thinks.

A warden would likely cite you, take your gun and let a judge decide.

I would bet that if you ask wdfw they would not say that scenario is legal. You would be hunting in a closed unit, just by way of how hunting is defined as Bob33 pointed out earlier.

Seems to me though, that you could argue (probably in court) that the actual taking of the buck was legal because it was taken in a legal unit even though you were hunting in a closed unit.  But then you might be able to convince a judge that you were not hunting in the closed unit because you were not looking in that unit to kill deer.  The warden probably wouldn't believe you since all appearances would lead him to believe you were hunting. :twocents:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Tinmaniac on August 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
I know this will look like a silly unlikely senerio, but I sometimes hunt places this could be a very realistic encounter.........

So if a person is just out of the wilderness area and a buck is in the legal wilderness area would it be legal to take the shot? I have looked through the regs and didn't see anything that addressed this. And no offense to anybody, I'm not looking for guess's or opinions. Just facts on if that would be legal or not.
No brainer,not legal.If you need to ask if you can shoot from a closed area into an open area to harvest animals you should not be in the woods with a gun.That's a fact.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: bobcat on August 26, 2017, 08:37:05 AM
In my opinion it's definitely NOT black and white. Let's say a trail is a boundary between an open unit and a closed unit. I'm standing 5 feet on one side of the trail, and I shoot a deer that's in the open unit. I see nothing wrong with that, what difference does it make that I was standing 5 feet outside of the open unit?

With a strict interpretation of the law, apparently I was in violation a few years ago on my sheep hunt. We set up our spotting scopes and spotted sheep two miles away, in the open unit from another unit, and this was what I was told to do by a WDFW biologist.

According to what some are saying, I could have been charged with hunting sheep in a closed unit.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 26, 2017, 08:45:16 AM
I know this will look like a silly unlikely senerio, but I sometimes hunt places this could be a very realistic encounter.........

So if a person is just out of the wilderness area and a buck is in the legal wilderness area would it be legal to take the shot? I have looked through the regs and didn't see anything that addressed this. And no offense to anybody, I'm not looking for guess's or opinions. Just facts on if that would be legal or not.
No brainer,not legal.If you need to ask if you can shoot from a closed area into an open area to harvest animals you should not be in the woods with a gun.That's a fact.

Really? Show me the law that spells it out oh wise one.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: G-S on August 26, 2017, 08:53:22 AM
I glasses game from a different state then crossed over and killed them. But I think you can spot game from where ever you can just make sure you're in your gmu when you pull the trigget
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 26, 2017, 09:13:49 AM
Little devils advocate here, your in an open unit and spot an animal your hunting in an open unit, but the area between you and animal is closed.  :chuckle:

Now would it be legal to shoot that animal since your shot would travel through  a closed unit? :o
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Bill W on August 26, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
I would say that if you have to ask the question, then you already know the answer grasshopper.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: teanawayslayer on August 26, 2017, 09:22:33 AM
You would be hunting from a closed a unit there for illegal illegal illegal!  But I guess if you have enough money you could get out of it pretty easily!  :hello:

You might not really understand what I'm talking about here. Like I said to begin with please post factual laws. Not interested in opinions.
totally understand what your talking about. See deer all the time on the high hunt from camp. Camp is set up on the boundary. Never shot one from camp.  Very grey area. If there is any question and you are having to ask if it's legal. Sounds like a no brained to me. Don't shoot.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: MADMAX on August 26, 2017, 09:26:18 AM
If where your standing when you fire is open then your good to go
if not-Your in a closed area, no shot allowed

legal definition below

"To Hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or
harass a wild animal or wild bird"
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 26, 2017, 09:35:26 AM
If where your standing when you fire is open then your good to go
if not-Your in a closed area, no shot allowed

legal definition below

"To Hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or
harass a wild animal or wild bird"

By that definition hunting would start when or before we leave our homes. That is when the effort to kill begins.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 26, 2017, 09:39:13 AM
Thanks to those of you that made the effort to post laws. I said in my OP I had no interest in opinions,  but that is 90% of what I got. Even told I don't belong in the woods if I had to ask.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Bob33 on August 26, 2017, 09:51:27 AM
Like many legal situations there is the letter of the law, and the intent of the law. Because of that, officer discretion and the totality of circumstances will often play a significant role in the outcome.

Example 1: a hunter is 20 feet outside the wilderness area but there is no defined boundary to readily determine that. He shoots an animal that is clearly inside the wilderness from just outside the boundary.

Example 2: a hunter sneaks 100 yards inside a posted national park boundary to stalk an animal in a legal area. He shoots the animal from inside the national park.

Both hunters shot animals that were inside legal areas, but both shot from closed areas. Which one is more likely to be cited for hunting in a closed area?
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: 3nails on August 26, 2017, 10:01:45 AM
 Is @bigtex still around? Maybe he could provide some insight. I still feel this IS in the laws. Seems obvious to me. No way can they put into writing every single "what if" scenario.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Curly on August 26, 2017, 10:33:20 AM
With a strict interpretation of the law, apparently I was in violation a few years ago on my sheep hunt. We set up our spotting scopes and spotted sheep two miles away, in the open unit from another unit, and this was what I was told to do by a WDFW biologist.

According to what some are saying, I could have been charged with hunting sheep in a closed unit.

You didn't have your rifle loaded or with you while spotting. No way they could say you were hunting at the time you were in the closed unit.

Now, if you had your gun with you and loaded, it could appear that you were hunting in a closed atea. :twocents:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: trophyhunt on August 26, 2017, 12:43:36 PM
I think the Bullwinkle example pretty much gives us all a chance in court with this particular scenario.  I really don't think any one of us really knows what would happen, just guess's.  What if your hunting coyotes in the alkali unit (which is permit only for deer) and your on the boarder of an open deer unit.  You see a deer in the open unit and shoot it, is that illegal?  It's a good question the OP asked, I'd love to hear an answer from a wildlife officer. 
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: builtfordtough on August 26, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
Hunt inside the boundaries and shoot inside the boundaries... enough said!!!
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: teanawayslayer on August 26, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
 
Hunt inside the boundaries and shoot inside the boundaries... enough said!!!
:yeah:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: runamuk on August 26, 2017, 06:48:43 PM
Like many legal situations there is the letter of the law, and the intent of the law. Because of that, officer discretion and the totality of circumstances will often play a significant role in the outcome.

Example 1: a hunter is 20 feet outside the wilderness area but there is no defined boundary to readily determine that. He shoots an animal that is clearly inside the wilderness from just outside the boundary.

Example 2: a hunter sneaks 100 yards inside a posted national park boundary to stalk an animal in a legal area. He shoots the animal from inside the national park.

Both hunters shot animals that were inside legal areas, but both shot from closed areas. Which one is more likely to be cited for hunting in a closed area?
The one who gets caught :dunno:
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Dan-o on August 26, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
I know this will look like a silly unlikely senerio, but I sometimes hunt places this could be a very realistic encounter.........

So if a person is just out of the wilderness area and a buck is in the legal wilderness area would it be legal to take the shot? I have looked through the regs and didn't see anything that addressed this. And no offense to anybody, I'm not looking for guess's or opinions. Just facts on if that would be legal or not.
No brainer,not legal.If you need to ask if you can shoot from a closed area into an open area to harvest animals you should not be in the woods with a gun.That's a fact.

Wrong.

His question is completely legitimate. (notice the varied opinion?)

Also notice that others are at least trying to be helpful.    You should give that a try........   or you don't belong in the woods with a gun.   And that IS a fact.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: mfswallace on August 26, 2017, 07:58:13 PM
It's very simple-- do the right thing!
If your not in a legal hunting area don't pull the trigger, if the animal you are trying to harvest isn't in a legal area don't pull the trigger. IMO

99% know Reichert killed a bull illegally but the 1% will point to the courts decision as a way to justify the illegal kill....wasting time arguing with anyone who tries to defend this question just brings you down to their level when it should show you their questionable morals... again this is just my Op

http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: DaveMonti on August 26, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
cboom,

I have to say I don't know the answer to your question.  I will also adhere to your request to not give you an option or speculation.  So it's pretty simple.

I don't know. 

That wasn't so hard now, was it? 

I understand your frustration with those who have a hard time comprehending your question!

Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: bobcat on August 26, 2017, 10:02:34 PM
I don't think anyone had a problem with comprehending the question. It's just that when you post a question on an online forum, you're going to get opinions, no matter what. It's kind of silly to say you don't want opinions. If that's the case, don't ask the question.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: teanawayslayer on August 26, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
I emailed wdfw and asked them your hypothetical question. Then you can have the answer to your grey area question.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: winshooter88 on August 26, 2017, 10:22:55 PM
I posed this question to a game enforcement officer that I know when I talked to him today, He said that he would cite you for hunting in a closed area, as both the hunter and the big game animal he/she is hunting must be in the legal area for that hunt. I know this isn't quoting a specific law but it is quoting one of the people who must make the call.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Tinmaniac on August 26, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
I know this will look like a silly unlikely senerio, but I sometimes hunt places this could be a very realistic encounter.........

So if a person is just out of the wilderness area and a buck is in the legal wilderness area would it be legal to take the shot? I have looked through the regs and didn't see anything that addressed this. And no offense to anybody, I'm not looking for guess's or opinions. Just facts on if that would be legal or not.
No brainer,not legal.If you need to ask if you can shoot from a closed area into an open area to harvest animals you should not be in the woods with a gun.That's a fact.

Wrong.

His question is completely legitimate. (notice the varied opinion?)

Also notice that others are at least trying to be helpful.    You should give that a try........   or you don't belong in the woods with a gun.   And that IS a fact.
I gave solid advice to the OP.The regs are very clear about no hunting in closed areas.Shooting from a closed area is hunting in a closed area.No different than setting up a stand in the national park and shooting into an open area.No worries aboit me in the woods with a gun for reasons like this.If I see someone shooting animals out of a closed area I will turn them in.Poachers hurt us all.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: mfswallace on August 27, 2017, 07:54:18 AM
It's very simple-- do the right thing!
If your not in a legal hunting area don't pull the trigger, if the animal you are trying to harvest isn't in a legal area don't pull the trigger. IMO

99% know Reichert killed a bull illegally but the 1% will point to the courts decision as a way to justify the illegal kill....wasting time arguing with anyone who tries to defend this question just brings you down to their level when it should show you their questionable morals... again this is just my Op

http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 27, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
I don't think anyone had a problem with comprehending the question. It's just that when you post a question on an online forum, you're going to get opinions, no matter what. It's kind of silly to say you don't want opinions. If that's the case, don't ask the question.

I get that. But at times people on forums are to quick to give opinions and others use those options that may have been completely wrong.  Not saying that is the case on this subject. On many types of questions opinions are the only thing that can be offered.  But on legal issues I would think comments should be more factual than opinions.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 27, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
I emailed wdfw and asked them your hypothetical question. Then you can have the answer to your grey area question.

Looking forward to hearing the response.  And it may not be a grey area at all? I  was just asking if anyone knew if this was addressed in the law because I didn't know if it had been. I haven't done what I  asked about,  nor would I unless I  knew for a fact it was legal.
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: cboom on August 27, 2017, 10:49:03 AM
I posed this question to a game enforcement officer that I know when I talked to him today, He said that he would cite you for hunting in a closed area, as both the hunter and the big game animal he/she is hunting must be in the legal area for that hunt. I know this isn't quoting a specific law but it is quoting one of the people who must make the call.

Thanks! That is very good information!
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: mfswallace on August 27, 2017, 03:56:15 PM
I posed this question to a game enforcement officer that I know when I talked to him today, He said that he would cite you for hunting in a closed area, as both the hunter and the big game animal he/she is hunting must be in the legal area for that hunt. I know this isn't quoting a specific law but it is quoting one of the people who must make the call.

Thanks! That is very good information!

 :DOH: 
Title: Re: High buck legality question
Post by: Sakko300wsm on August 27, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Here's my  :twocents: on this....

Where were you? in an area not legal to harvest an animal
Where was the animal? In a legal area...
If a cops sees this:He's going to cite you and charge you with hunting in an area you're not supposed to be in.


Of course it does - you have to know your boundaries!
No different than hunting wa but see a masher on Idaho side

I personally wouldn't want to risk my $$ (for a lawyer and all the legal fees) and my hunting rights over a situation like this. If you get charged with a crime like this in WA, you lose your hunting in 42 or 44 states for x-years...Not even worth it in my opinion

I agree with you.  Just wondering if there is anything in the law that addresses this senerio. Do both animal and hunter need to physically in the area? Or just the animal being harvested need to in open area? I  would surely think hunter in open area shooting animal in closed would be a sure no no.
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