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Title: 14” shotguns
Post by: jdb on December 23, 2017, 05:02:42 PM
How are these new 14” shotguns legal?
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2017, 05:29:14 PM
They aren't long guns or pistols, they're "other firearms".  They have a short stock, if you put a normal stock on it then you're asking for trouble.
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: ghosthunter on December 23, 2017, 05:33:42 PM
Ugly

If I were going that route I would get a KSG or a DP 12.  :twocents:
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 23, 2017, 06:22:07 PM
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Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: jdb on December 23, 2017, 06:30:04 PM
So because that’s not a pistol grip but it’s also not a traditional  stock its legal?
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
ridiculous huh  :chuckle:

but yup, skirting gun regulations this falls through the cracks so it gets picked up by the "all other firearms" rules.

No stamp needed
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 23, 2017, 07:12:35 PM
Have one with a side saddle(Rem870). Rides in the truck. Ever have to exit the truck in a bad situation. It comes first with 3" inch #4 buck. My handgun is my secondary. Serious stuff in close.

They serve a purpose.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/landonmoses/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6620_zpsr2b2jc8f.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6620_zpsr2b2jc8f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 23, 2017, 07:16:58 PM
mossberg version
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: follow maggie on December 23, 2017, 07:35:46 PM
It doesn't seem like those would be enjoyable to shoot
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 23, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard

The shape of the grip is how they got it past the ATF. No matter what, your finger is jammed up behind the trigger guard after the first shot. If your going to shoot it for a session I highly suggest a good pair of shooting gloves.
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2017, 08:12:26 PM
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard
Wrist strap maybe?
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 23, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard
Wrist strap maybe?

Empty it and drop it.
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: biggfish on December 23, 2017, 09:20:35 PM
It baffled my mind to. To make it worse you can buy one, but if you try to convert an old shotgun to this you're going to jail.

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Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 23, 2017, 09:25:08 PM
It baffled my mind to. To make it worse you can buy one, but if you try to convert an old shotgun to this you're going to jail.

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Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: 300rum on December 23, 2017, 09:32:56 PM
I would like to know (for sure, not internet opinions) if we can carry it loaded in a vehicle or conceal it. 
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2017, 09:42:48 PM
I would like to know (for sure, not internet opinions) if we can carry it loaded in a vehicle or conceal it.


No, you cannot carry it concealed or loaded in your truck.  To do so would put it in another classification of firearm, and trigger NFA. 
ATF say's that guns over 26" aren't generally concealable, until they're concealed.  The mossberg is 26.3 inches. 

The law doesn't state an exact overall length, but the 26 inches is a long held standard.  If too many people conceal the shockwave then that 26" standard could change to 27 inches for example.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-any

Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 23, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: b23 on December 24, 2017, 12:45:13 AM
Have one with a side saddle(Rem870). Rides in the truck. Ever have to exit the truck in a bad situation. It comes first with 3" inch #4 buck. My handgun is my secondary. Serious stuff in close.

They serve a purpose.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/landonmoses/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6620_zpsr2b2jc8f.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6620_zpsr2b2jc8f.jpg.html)

I picked one of these up a couple months ago when Remington was offering a mail in rebate on all 870's.  They aren't all that expensive and with the rebate it was barely over $300. 

Figured I'd get one before the dems/libs jump all over them and make them illegal.
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: fish vacuum on December 24, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
*insert bump stock joke here*
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: mountainman on December 25, 2017, 08:28:25 AM
I prefer the Serbu. Yeah, stamp, but more compact and maneuverable in tight.
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Fungunnin on December 25, 2017, 03:00:33 PM
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
There is some chatter out there that these may be legal to carry loaded in a vehicle. Washington law has some odd wording in it.
Since these are NOT considered long guns the rules don't apply to them.
Washington wording for pistols is different than the federal wording and it is something along the lines of "can't be fired from the shoulder' ...
I feel there is enough grey area between state and federal wording to allow it, but I certainly won't be the test case.

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Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 25, 2017, 06:37:54 PM
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
There is some chatter out there that these may be legal to carry loaded in a vehicle. Washington law has some odd wording in it.
Since these are NOT considered long guns the rules don't apply to them.
Washington wording for pistols is different than the federal wording and it is something along the lines of "can't be fired from the shoulder' ...
I feel there is enough grey area between state and federal wording to allow it, but I certainly won't be the test case.

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Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Special T on December 25, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
There is some chatter out there that these may be legal to carry loaded in a vehicle. Washington law has some odd wording in it.
Since these are NOT considered long guns the rules don't apply to them.
Washington wording for pistols is different than the federal wording and it is something along the lines of "can't be fired from the shoulder' ...
I feel there is enough grey area between state and federal wording to allow it, but I certainly won't be the test case.

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I hear you... but I wouldn't want to be the test case...

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Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 29, 2017, 11:40:00 AM
Have one with a side saddle(Rem870). Rides in the truck. Ever have to exit the truck in a bad situation. It comes first with 3" inch #4 buck. My handgun is my secondary. Serious stuff in close.

They serve a purpose.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/landonmoses/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6620_zpsr2b2jc8f.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6620_zpsr2b2jc8f.jpg.html)

how many rds - 4-5?
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: b23 on December 29, 2017, 11:57:15 AM

how many rds - 4-5?

The Remington Tac-14 is 4+1  The Mossberg Shockwave is 5+1

I've read the Rem Tac-14 can be modified to hold 5 but I don't know that for a fact so it could just be internet BS.

I handled both before I bought one and to me the Remington had a much smoother action.
Title: Re: 14” shotguns
Post by: Tjkride on January 06, 2018, 11:16:46 AM
I have the Mossberg with a sidesaddle and xs tritium big dot bead. Inside of 25-30 yards its alot of fun. The foolish thing actually throughs a decent pattern with flite control 00buck.
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