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Title: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: HoofsandWings on April 14, 2018, 01:04:17 PM
spikes were no where to be found. I don't recall seeing such low numbers. :'(

Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 14, 2018, 02:24:15 PM
I think you'll have better odds of seeing a bigfoot than a spike out there.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on April 14, 2018, 02:55:10 PM
Not one spike on the 6 cameras I had out this winter between the two passes.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: ElaphusElatus on April 14, 2018, 04:40:58 PM
This was to be expected. See the 2017 Game Status and Trend Report page 136 https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01961/wdfw01961.pdf. Yakima herd had historical low calf:cow ratio of 22.  Not sure of the date of the report, but it would be nice to see this prior to deciding where to hunt since it affects success. Low calf crop a result of the 2015 drought effect on pregnancy, fewer calves born in 2016, thus fewer spikes during 2017 hunt.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2018, 06:08:14 PM
Out of District 8, which is GMU's 334 through GMU 371, 472 cows and 47 spikes were killed by archery hunters. Modern firearm was 50 cows and 267 spikes. Muzzleloader 59 spikes and 4 cows. This is all for the general seasons. Archery success rate about 10% and modern and muzzleloader both 3%. Looks like it's a good thing they're trying to reduce the cow harvest by archery hunters.


Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: 92xj on April 14, 2018, 08:14:06 PM
Out of District 8, which is GMU's 334 through GMU 371, 472 cows and 47 spikes were killed by archery hunters. Modern firearm was 50 cows and 267 spikes. Muzzleloader 59 spikes and 4 cows. This is all for the general seasons. Archery success rate about 10% and modern and muzzleloader both 3%. Looks like it's a good thing they're trying to reduce the cow harvest by archery hunters.

Before you come to your conclusion, add in all the permit cow harvest to your totals.
What you posted is the true definition of fake news and stupid agenda pushing. Not even close to the whole/true numbers of cows killed during all hunting seasons.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2018, 08:27:41 PM
Look at the 1 to 3 percent success rates for modern firearm. Why would anyone even bother hunting that season? Look at Rimrock. 608 hunters killed 5 spikes for a 0.8% success rate. One of the best units, Naneum, had 1,661 hunters for a harvest of 49 spikes. What a joke. All these units need to be permit only.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: 92xj on April 14, 2018, 08:31:04 PM
Look at the 1 to 3 percent success rates for modern firearm. Why would anyone even bother hunting that season? Look at Rimrock. 608 hunters killed 5 spikes for a 0.8% success rate. One of the best units, Naneum, had 1,661 hunters for a harvest of 49 spikes. What a joke. All these units need to be permit only. I'll be spending my time in Wyoming this year.

Post up the PERMIT cow kill numbers for those units for modern hunters.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2018, 08:45:39 PM
Pretty low numbers overall compared to what it used to be. Glad to see they're doing something to try to bring the numbers back up. At least in this case we can't say they only care about selling licenses.

Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
And here is the special permit harvest from 2016:

Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
Never mind what I said about permit only for these units. I always forget that any elk we don't kill, will be just that many more the Yakamas will take. So I'm still in favor of the idea proposed on here a while back- we adopt the same seasons and limits as the Yakama tribe. 
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on April 14, 2018, 09:08:20 PM
Never mind what I said about permit only for these units. I always forget that any elk we don't kill, will be just that many more the Yakamas will take. So I'm still in favor of the idea proposed on here a while back- we adopt the same seasons and limits as the Yakama tribe.


Forgot the muckelshoots and the selective white trash as well.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: Bows4huntn on April 15, 2018, 06:48:22 AM
As a Colockum archery Hunter I look at those numbers in a totally different way. What I see, is when you take away the opportunity for a general antler less season, your chance of success just dropped by 90%!
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: jdb on April 15, 2018, 07:15:41 AM
As a Colockum archery Hunter I look at those numbers in a totally different way. What I see, is when you take away the opportunity for a general antler less season, your chance of success just dropped by 90%!
with all due respect your looking at it for your personal opportunities and not the opportunities of everyone and of the future
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: BNAElkhntr on April 15, 2018, 07:58:58 AM
Not to Mention Last Fall and this Spring They are Logging off most of the Calving area around Carrol Flats
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: Bows4huntn on April 15, 2018, 08:48:28 AM
JDB,  not even close on your take about me looking at this as strictly for my personal benefit.  For your information, I've bow hunted these areas since 1984 and have only harvested 1 antler less elk in all those years so this is not really affecting me personally, but if you take away the vast majority of the herd and put them off limits for harvest, your "hunt" just turned into nothing more than a walk in the woods while carrying a bow. Not sure how you can look at those numbers and see 90% of the harvest being antlerless and if you take that away your success opportunity not dropping by that same 90%? And finally, when most things I see show this herd at or above capacity combined with NO reduction in other groups permits or opportunities , how is this having a detrimental effect on anyone but archers?
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 15, 2018, 09:47:13 AM
Our camp actually did pretty good this year but I have been saying for about 3-4 years that the numbers were heading way down.  I am personally glad that they cut back the cow permits for modern and really glad they got rid of the general archery cow harvest.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: stackemup on April 15, 2018, 12:05:03 PM
Our camp actually did pretty good this year but I have been saying for about 3-4 years that the numbers were heading way down.  I am personally glad that they cut back the cow permits for modern and really glad they got rid of the general archery cow harvest.


They did not get rid of the general archery cow harvest worse case is its limited to 6 days instead of 13.
Title: Re: Did you see the elk harvest 2017 Yakima herd?
Post by: jdb on April 16, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
JDB,  not even close on your take about me looking at this as strictly for my personal benefit.  For your information, I've bow hunted these areas since 1984 and have only harvested 1 antler less elk in all those years so this is not really affecting me personally, but if you take away the vast majority of the herd and put them off limits for harvest, your "hunt" just turned into nothing more than a walk in the woods while carrying a bow. Not sure how you can look at those numbers and see 90% of the harvest being antlerless and if you take that away your success opportunity not dropping by that same 90%? And finally, when most things I see show this herd at or above capacity combined with NO reduction in other groups permits or opportunities , how is this having a detrimental effect on anyone but archers?
no reduction this year but giant reduction last year.
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