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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: LongBomb on April 29, 2018, 03:39:48 PM
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New to the site here, looking to end long debate. Does anyone think there is or know of a 400 class bull on the west side?
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Believe the Kapowsin bull taken during archery season a few years back went over 400.
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:yeah:
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the bull in lake crescent lodge I believe scores 405 but was taken in the early 1900's I want to say its the Morganroth bull taken by Bogachiel river.
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Pretty sure a lady killed one one the mt Adams rifle tag few years back
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New to the site here, looking to end long debate. Does anyone think there is or know of a 400 class bull on the west side?
Alive? :dunno:
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I would bet money there is a 400" Bull low down in the shed in the Hobart area
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I will reply after the draw deadline.....
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No doubt
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I would bet money there is a 400" Bull low down in the shed in the Hobart area
:yeah: Multiple 400 bulls killed in Hobart/maple valley outskirts killed every year.
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Yeah alive. Buddy of mine thinks they are all on the east side (blues) i say they're around on the west side here n there.
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Is this the bull from Kapowsin? Any word on the score?
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That's the one, don't remember the score though.
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There is an even more impressive picture of that bull in the bed of a truck that shows the amazing tops. I want to say there was a thread on here somewhere that had a bunch of pics. Pretty sure this is the same bull too, that the horns were stolen but later recovered.
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Either of these?
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New to the site here, looking to end long debate. Does anyone think there is or know of a 400 class bull on the west side?
Shouldn't be a long debate. The answer is yes.
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Whats the story on the kids bull?
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That's a stud of a bull! Anyone got a score on it? Or a pic of a recent bull with score?
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Those are 2 nasty lookin bulls for sure! studs!!
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South end of Rainier Park had some monsters that knew the Park boundaries. A professional poaching group cleaned them out.. :bash:
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South end of Rainier Park had some monsters that knew the Park boundaries. A professional poaching group cleaned them out.. :bash:
When was this?
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I think I saw one in coweeman. :chuckle:
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The Kapowsin bulls official score was 391 5/8 when measured at the sportsman show and the State archery record for Cascade Roosevelt Elk. A lot of people say the state's biggest bulls roam in those woods, gotta be one of the lucky 8 to draw a tag after spending $375 for the chance....
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There was a bull shot out of ravensdale back in 03 or 04 that scored 405 or 408 9x11 muzzleloader season someone shot it in there back yard the 3rd day of that season I seen it the day before it was killed almost had it by the pit I'll never see one like that again .
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Theres probably more 400" bulls than one thinks or see's on the wetside.
http://www.nwbiggame.com/top_10.cfm
Washington - Cascade Roosevelt Elk, Non-Typical (Rifle)
1. 418 6/8 King Co. Joshua Doyle 2015
2. 383 3/8 Skamania Co. Daryl Kemry 1985
3. 372 5/8 Skamania Co. Gary Ferguson/Rani Ferguson-Douglass 1977
4. 366 7/8 King Co. Robert E. Keller 1992
5. 366 0/8 Lewis Co. Scott Mays 2006
6. 351 3/8 Klickitat Co. Tim Essex 2001
7. 343 1/8 Skamania Co. Fazz Coleman/Andy Coleman 1956
8. 340 5/8 Pierce Co. Todd Souvenir 2007
9. 336 0/8 Pierce Co. Charles Smith 1994
10. 335 5/8 Pierce Co. Don McCarty & Joe Mettler 2002
Washington - Cascade Roosevelt Elk, Non-Typical (Archery)
1. 372 2/8 King Co. Don Goodin 1998
2. 332 7/8 Skagit Co. Matt Kononer 2007
3. 329 6/8 King Co. Dan Martinez 2014
4. 315 0/8 King Co. Aaron Fenton 2012
5. 311 6/8 Pierce Co. Joe Harrison Frields 1987
6. 278 1/8 King Co. Larry Sweetser 2006
7. 262 5/8 Lewis Co. Levi Lendeman 2014
Washington - Cascade Roosevelt Elk, Non-Typical (Black Powder)
1. 404 0/8 King Co. Timothy Rasmussen 2003
2. 309 5/8 Pierce Co. Carl Passmore 2001
3. 264 4/8 Skagit Co. Walt Mayer 2006
Washington - Cascade Roosevelt Elk, Typical (Rifle)
1. 412 2/8 King Co. Joshua Doyle 2015
2. 395 1/8 Pierce Co. Larry N. Mohler 1991
3. 387 3/8 Pierce Co. Wayne Milton/Craig Milton 2000
4. 386 0/8 King Co. Clifford J. Brown 2011
5. 381 2/8 Pierce Co. Andrew J. Pete 2010
6. 372 3/8 Pierce Co. Jay Argo 1984
7. 371 4/8 Pierce Co. Kevin Bargelt 2015
8. 371 3/8 Skamania Co. Daryl Kemry 1985
9. 367 1/8 Skamania Co. Gary Ferguson/Rani Ferguson-Douglass 1977
10. 366 7/8 King Co. Robert E. Keller 1992
Washington - Cascade Roosevelt Elk, Typical (Archery)
1. 391 5/8 Pierce Co. Jacob Black 2015 See it in the Trophy Room!
2. 387 3/8 King Co. John Kinssies 2014
3. 376 5/8 Skamania Co. Kevin Schmid 1990
4. 371 5/8 Pierce Co. Bill Reed 2015
5. 369 2/8 King Co. Don Goodin 1998
6. 359 6/8 Lewis Co. Jason Phelps 2012
7. 355 3/8 King Co. Ed Pressley 2003
8. 355 1/8 King Co. Robin F. Buck 1989
9. 352 4/8 Pierce Co. Gordon Juhl 2014
10. 350 4/8 Pierce Co. Gordon Juhl 2014
Washington - Cascade Roosevelt Elk, Typical (Black Powder)
1. 398 7/8 King Co. Kurtiss Mehr 2011
2. 388 2/8 Pirce Co. Russell Mingus 1975
3. 381 1/8 King Co. Mike Sayers/Levi Read 2003
4. 369 1/8 King Co. Kyle Huntington 2008
5. 363 3/8 Pierce Co. Jack Myers 2003
6. 359 1/8 Skamania Co. Roger Malfait 2012
7. 358 6/8 Pierce Co. George Neusse 2015
8. 354 4/8 King Co. Timothy Rasmussen 2003
8. 354 4/8 King Co. Bud Hanson 2010
10. 353 4/8 King Co. Daniel Filkins 2010
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Same guy shot two 400" bulls in the same year?... ???
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Same guy shot two 400" bulls in the same year?... ???
Same bull, two categories.
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I didn't realize you could have a non-typical typical bull. I'm not really trophy-savvy though.
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The Kapowsin bulls official score was 391 5/8 when measured at the sportsman show and the State archery record for Cascade Roosevelt Elk. A lot of people say the state's biggest bulls roam in those woods, gotta be one of the lucky 8 to draw a tag after spending $375 for the chance....
Did it gross over 400? That thing is a beast!
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The Kapowsin bulls official score was 391 5/8 when measured at the sportsman show and the State archery record for Cascade Roosevelt Elk. A lot of people say the state's biggest bulls roam in those woods, gotta be one of the lucky 8 to draw a tag after spending $375 for the chance....
Did it gross over 400? That thing is a beast!
That tag drives me nuts. How on earth it's legal for a timber company to do that is beyond my limited comprehension.
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I had two bulls that hung out in my back yard for a couple years that would score between 390 to 420 , I guy I worked with killed a bull in kapowsin that scored 396 after the deductions, it green scored 417
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South end of Rainier Park had some monsters that knew the Park boundaries. A professional poaching group cleaned them out.. :bash:
When was this?
Early 90s as I recall..
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The Kapowsin bulls official score was 391 5/8 when measured at the sportsman show and the State archery record for Cascade Roosevelt Elk. A lot of people say the state's biggest bulls roam in those woods, gotta be one of the lucky 8 to draw a tag after spending $375 for the chance....
Did it gross over 400? That thing is a beast!
That tag drives me nuts. How on earth it's legal for a timber company to do that is beyond my limited comprehension.
It is private property so they can dictate if you kill something on their land or not. No different than if you owned property that elk lived on and let your buddy shoot a bull but not me. Its your property, it's your choice.
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The Kapowsin bulls official score was 391 5/8 when measured at the sportsman show and the State archery record for Cascade Roosevelt Elk. A lot of people say the state's biggest bulls roam in those woods, gotta be one of the lucky 8 to draw a tag after spending $375 for the chance....
Did it gross over 400? That thing is a beast!
That tag drives me nuts. How on earth it's legal for a timber company to do that is beyond my limited comprehension.
It is private property so they can dictate if you kill something on their land or not. No different than if you owned property that elk lived on and let your buddy shoot a bull but not me. Its your property, it's your choice.
and don’t forget, Hancock isn’t changing the season like they used to, they just allow acces to lucky tag holders and restrict access to others.
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I think that's the problem. You can hunt the 454 side of their WR unit during the OTC season all you want. But they know the value of the 654 tag and they (in my opinion) hold it over others.
This is coming from a timber company that gets special tax incentives for allowing the public to use their property for recreational purposes.
I'm not totally against them charging us to come on their property. If nothing else, it helps keep the majority of the dumpers out of timber lands. It just feels really weird to see a company basically managing a wild elk herd as if they're another game department.
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I didn't realize they were managing deer too, this should be outlawed in our state:
Deer Hunting –In an effort to improve hunting quality, Hancock will be setting regulations that go beyond WDFW regulations for our
property. If you violate private regulations your permit will be revoked and you will be permanently banned from Hancock Property.
There will be a two-point minimum set for all deer seasons and weapon types. Antlerless archery deer hunting will be allowed
for archery only. Special WDFW issued permits for antlerless deer hunting will NOT be allowed for the disabled, 65 and older,
and youth. This regulation is for the Kapowsin forest only and may differ from other forests managed by Hancock Forest
Management.
Hold WDFW accountable and make them manage the herds. This is not the answer. We do NOT want another Texas-styled privatized hunting experience in Washington.
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I didn't realize they were managing deer too, this should be outlawed in our state:
Deer Hunting –In an effort to improve hunting quality, Hancock will be setting regulations that go beyond WDFW regulations for our
property. If you violate private regulations your permit will be revoked and you will be permanently banned from Hancock Property.
There will be a two-point minimum set for all deer seasons and weapon types. Antlerless archery deer hunting will be allowed
for archery only. Special WDFW issued permits for antlerless deer hunting will NOT be allowed for the disabled, 65 and older,
and youth. This regulation is for the Kapowsin forest only and may differ from other forests managed by Hancock Forest
Management.
Hold WDFW accountable and make them manage the herds. This is not the answer. We do NOT want another Texas-styled privatized hunting experience in Washington.
It's private property. If you don't like it don't buy their permit. I know smaller land owners and farmers that have those same rules if you want to hunt deer on their property. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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:yeah: Lots of places have rules more restrictive than WDFW game regulations for hunting on private property.
*Another thing that comes up often... Hunting in our state is considered a "privilege", and that privilege goes up against private property "rights". The private property rights generally win out... That's why they can charge for access, because you have no right to be on their property.
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I think there is a difference between a farmer who doesn't have to allow access saying "Look, just don't shoot that big buck", or "look, just don't shoot the does" and a timber company saying "Pay me $375 to access thousands of acres of property I'm required to allow you to access anyways, and you maybe 1 of 8 people I'll draw to allow to hunt a herd that is actually supposed to be managed by a state agency. Also, despite the fact that the state says the deer herd is sufficient to allow "Any Buck" to be taken, we're imposing a 2 point minimum to manage the herd better."
I'm all for private landownership, but for those of us who live locally and remember when Weyerhauser used to allow free access and "Good Luck Hunters" signs were up, this is a huge pill to swallow.
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I will never consider hunting rights as a privilege, it is our God given right. But if the land owner wants to make restrictions to help the herd and be smarter than the wdfw, I'm all for it. There is a reason that hancock has one of the best elk hunts in our state, the other reason is no native hunts take place on the property in the kapowsin gate.
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I will never consider hunting rights as a privilege, it is our God given right. But if the land owner wants to make restrictions to help the herd and be smarter than the wdfw, I'm all for it. There is a reason that hancock has one of the best elk hunts in our state, the other reason is no native hunts take place on the property in the kapowsin gate.
Both points are undeniable. I just wish it would come from the regs, not from Hancock. I think wildlife bios should present data that managers that help create policy. When two agencies put out two different criteria for the same herd, it's clearly not being managed effectively either way :twocents:
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
If you can keep the tribes out. :tup:
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People say they wish the wildlife biologist agency involved . Why would you ever want that there killing everything off . Why you think this state is so messed up
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Do you really want that answered or for that matter have the time?
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
Why do you say this??? Do you think the 2 point rule will help that much or is it something else? I wish it was like it was back when they could run dogs in there.
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People say they wish the wildlife biologist agency involved . Why would you ever want that there killing everything off . Why you think this state is so messed up
I totally agree that WDFW is failing us as hunters. That being said, I do not believe that you fix problems by not actually fixing the problems.
And if Hancock was working with the state and had their own wildlife bios, I could see a point in what they’re doing.
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The Kapowsin bulls official score was 391 5/8 when measured at the sportsman show and the State archery record for Cascade Roosevelt Elk. A lot of people say the state's biggest bulls roam in those woods, gotta be one of the lucky 8 to draw a tag after spending $375 for the chance....
Did it gross over 400? That thing is a beast!
That tag drives me nuts. How on earth it's legal for a timber company to do that is beyond my limited comprehension.
It is private property so they can dictate if you kill something on their land or not. No different than if you owned property that elk lived on and let your buddy shoot a bull but not me. Its your property, it's your choice.
^^^^ This.
Not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp...
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
Why do you say this??? Do you think the 2 point rule will help that much or is it something else? I wish it was like it was back when they could run dogs in there.
Absolutly for that reason!
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
Why do you say this??? Do you think the 2 point rule will help that much or is it something else? I wish it was like it was back when they could run dogs in there.
Most harvest reports I see for the west side GMUs seem to have about half of the harvest being spikes. That would be a large bump to the population in the early years, until the pressure is shifted effectively toward the 2 pt and larger.
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Hunting in there is terrible.. No deer and your chances at an elk draw are miserable. You have better odds buying points out going out of state for that matter. $375 buys a lot of points and gear. I'd save your money. I hear the security guy is tough to deal with too.. Not worth it, Green Dot and Vail are definitely better options.
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Hunting in there is terrible.. No deer and your chances at an elk draw are miserable. You have better odds buying points out going out of state for that matter. $375 buys a lot of points and gear. I'd save your money. I hear the security guy is tough to deal with too.. Not worth it, Green Dot and Vail are definitely better options.
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
If you can keep the tribes out. :tup:
This is plain ignorance. Good to know hatewashington forum is alive and well.
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I will never consider hunting rights as a privilege, it is our God given right. But if the land owner wants to make restrictions to help the herd and be smarter than the wdfw, I'm all for it. There is a reason that hancock has one of the best elk hunts in our state, the other reason is no native hunts take place on the property in the kapowsin gate.
That's why the biggest bulls are a direct result of tribal management right now?
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Ha, please. The tribes would ruin that elk herd in no time if they had access
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Ha, please. The tribes would ruin that elk herd in no time if they had access
Thats why the three fastest growing elk herds in the state are tribal managed?
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No wool over these eyes
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I'm sure the mucks will make up another reason try and get access into Hancock. Then it'll be the green river all over again. :chuckle:
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It'll be just like their made up BS 1 Male species deer/elk per member per year. That's a joke trying to pull the wool over on that one. :chuckle:
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Ha, please. The tribes would ruin that elk herd in no time if they had access
Anybody probably would wipe the herds out if they had access. If WDFW said elk were a free for all and have at it, I'm guessing 5,000 trucks would be in there within 20 minutes.
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I'm sure the mucks will make up another reason try and get access into Hancock. Then it'll be the green river all over again. :chuckle:
:yeah:exactly. I know a lot of guys that will be hunting elk in there if (when) they do get access or buy it. It's just a matter of time before they own it.
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Hancock will be having the best blacktail hunting in the state here in acouple years! :tup:
Why do you say this??? Do you think the 2 point rule will help that much or is it something else? I wish it was like it was back when they could run dogs in there.
Absolutly for that reason!
Won't happen until the cougar population gets reduced. Every where we go we find cat sign. We put eyes on 2 last year and we have no problem getting them on trail cams.
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I saw two last year as well, both on the road.. there are a ton..
Like posted before. No need to pay the $375.. Your odds of getting pulled for a tag to chase 400 class bull is less then if you paid your points for another unit or went out of state.. I wouldn't bother. Its crowed in there too.
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Those are 2 nasty lookin bulls for sure! studs!!
Now i see where your pumped about Jimmy's property... i get it now
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Hunting in there is terrible.. No deer and your chances at an elk draw are miserable. You have better odds buying points out going out of state for that matter. $375 buys a lot of points and gear. I'd save your money. I hear the security guy is tough to deal with too.. Not worth it, Green Dot and Vail are definitely better options.
Vail is definately NOT a better option. I've hunted there every year they have had the permit and each year the quality of bucks has gone down. The first year of the permit i saw two 6x6 bulls and a 6x7---haven't seen anywhere the quality of that since. Poaching up there is rampant. I've seen way more vehicles heading up into the area after dark as i'm leaving then i've seen hunting up there during the day. Ran into the Weyco forest patrol a couple months ago wood cutting and asked them about what the Company is doing about the poaching problem and his response was "nothing..they know it is going on but won't do anything about it. They won't allow us to carry firearms so we won't approach anyone up here after hours"...what's the point of having someone patrolling the hunting area if they can't approach "hunters" ? not that i am blaming them as there is no way i would approach someone after dark---i've actually been driving out at dark and have had people shooting less than 100 yards from me--well after dark and they know i am driving by
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I have personally seen a set of 429 sheds that a farmer found while brush hogging the edge of his field. It was east of I5 but less than 10miles east. The guy will let you shed hunt all you want...but you cant take them off the property.
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roosevelt sheds? that is massive
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I guess they would be considered Cascade Roosevelt because they are east of I5 but only just. This farmer picks up several over 350 every year. He only just started shed hunting more because he got tired of running them over with the brush hog.
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yeah, i would not want to run over elk sheds with a brush hog, those things would destroy the blades