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Title: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: jrebel on September 09, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
So me and my son both got bear this week.  I shot mine Friday night (200-250lbs), gutted within 10 minutes of shot.....skinnned a half hour later.  I shot it in the evening 6 pm ish as the storm was rolling in; temps mid 70's.  Temps where we were camped were getting down to the low to mid 40's at night.  We hung it over night and then took it to the cooler in the morning. 

Both me and my hunting partner thought the bear smelled funky from the first contact.  I didn't think anything of it because it was a bear.  The funk was more pronounced as we skinned it.  Long story short.....today I went to cut both bear up.  My sons bear was fantastic.  My bear was so funky it would have knocked a buzzard off a crap pile.  We found a big tumor in one of the arm pits to.  Needless to say this bear is not getting eaten by me.  4 bear shot by my family and only funky one so far. 

I am positive this was not a handling problem.   The bear was cold, dry and cleaned quickly. 

Anyone else ever shot a funky bear? 

jrebel
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: h20hunter on September 09, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
Stang on here shot a spring bear that was even to funky for crab bait.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 09, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Never shot one that I didnít enjoy. Have eaten a fish bear that was unpleasant.

Out of the half dozen bears Iíve popped, the tastiest factors in order were handling, diet, age
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: hunter399 on September 09, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
This is just my  :twocents: here .
But as bear populations peak there are some bears that are just unhealthy.As they all compete for food .Some bears are gonna eat anything to make ends meet .Making them stink something nasty .
I wouldn't eat it myself.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Doublelunger on September 09, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
Sounds like you did everything right. I personally wouldn't eat it.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: huntnnw on September 09, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
Iíve killed a lot or helped on many and only 1 bear I killed about 15 years ago sounds like the bear you killed. We had it skinned quartered and on ice within 2 hours of killing it. Opened cooler in the morning and about puked ! Still full of ice .
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 09, 2018, 08:26:21 PM
Did you dissect the tumor?

Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: jasnt on September 09, 2018, 08:37:27 PM
Sounds like infection moved to the blood. May have died anyway.  I killed a coyote once that had porcupine quills under the skin and one eye that was poked out and infected.  Thing stunk so bad a buddy was gagging while I skinned it. After tanning it still stuck!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: jrebel on September 09, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
Did you dissect the tumor?

I cut it in half and it was solid.  It was cresent shaped 1/2 diameter (tubular) and 2-2.5" long.  Consistency was like an unriped banana.  White inside.  Very weird.   

Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: hollymaster on September 09, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
Killed a town bear once that was gross.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: jrebel on September 09, 2018, 08:53:51 PM
Here is the picture of the face / hide / paw.  It died in the thickest briar thickit it could find so we gutted and got it out before pics were taken.  It was a tall lanky bear with lots of fat.  One weird thing I noticed when skinning this bear is his stool was greyish black with a sandy texture.  No berries, grass, or any other notable food source.  I am pretty sure we bumped him off a carcass as there was a smell of decomp in the woods where he was.  We went back to find the carcass but couldn't.  I imagine it was a deer carcass due to archery season being in full swing. 

Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Tiger1358 on September 11, 2018, 10:25:43 AM
I shot a bear last September around this time. Shot it around 7pm in the evening and found it around 8 am in the morning, and the meat was great, not even a single strange smell when skinning and gutting.
Your bear already had some problems. It sucks putting so much time and effort into it and finding that out late, but it's hunting, you don't know till you kill it.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: birddogdad on September 11, 2018, 10:29:55 AM
sick maybe? wonder if wdfw would be interested in dissecting and testing ? i wouldn't eat it... just me...
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: lamrith on September 11, 2018, 10:32:01 AM
So me and my son both got bear this week.  I shot mine Friday night (200-250lbs), gutted within 10 minutes of shot.....skinnned a half hour later.  I shot it in the evening 6 pm ish as the storm was rolling in; temps mid 70's.  Temps where we were camped were getting down to the low to mid 40's at night.  We hung it over night and then took it to the cooler in the morning. 

Both me and my hunting partner thought the bear smelled funky from the first contact.  I didn't think anything of it because it was a bear.  The funk was more pronounced as we skinned it.  Long story short.....today I went to cut both bear up.  My sons bear was fantastic.  My bear was so funky it would have knocked a buzzard off a crap pile.  We found a big tumor in one of the arm pits to.  Needless to say this bear is not getting eaten by me.  4 bear shot by my family and only funky one so far. 

I am positive this was not a handling problem.   The bear was cold, dry and cleaned quickly. 

Anyone else ever shot a funky bear? 

jrebel
Yes,
My bear last year was that way, it smelled off as soon as I was skinning it, to the point I did not bring the meat out of the field.  I froze the skull and took it to a local processor to freeze while I finished the elk hunt.  Kept it frozen till I handed it to the Taxi for the Euro. 

Taxi called me the night I dropped it off, wanted to make sure I did not keep or eat any of the meat.  Said it was the most odd smell he has ever smelled in all his years of Taxi.  Was not spoiled meat/poor handling smell, but just wrong. MY bear looked healthy, though thin summer coat that turned out not worth doing anything with.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Bushcraft on September 11, 2018, 10:53:44 AM
The meat of the first black bear I killed smelled a little "off" when I was skinning it.  I wondered if the boar had rolled in something dead or if they just smelled that way.

I remembered reading somewhere of people test-cooking bear in the field before deciding whether or not it was worth bringing home.  So, I cut a fillet out of the backstrap and cooked it on the spot with some olive oil, salt and pepper.
Holy crap...disgusting! I could not finish the first bite.  :puke:

I hauled out the head and hide but left the meat for scavengers.

Every bear since has been very good.  The best one tasted like it had been marinating in alpine blueberries.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 11, 2018, 11:04:21 AM
My buddies wifes spring bear this year was like that.  It was hot as *censored* and he was worried it had spoiled. I told him no way it spoiled that fast and to just make sausage products out of it.  He got pepperoni and polish sausage made out of it and it tasted great and didn't smell after being processed. 
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 12, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
My friends bear this year had a wet dog smell to the meat...sure didn't smell like it was going to taste very good..he tried to offer me some for the help but I told him it's all yours it's your first bear   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: mountainman on September 12, 2018, 10:11:42 PM
Unless really cold, sour can happen quickly if you don't get it off the bone quick enough..in as little as an hour or less..they hold heat like nothing else
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 19, 2018, 08:36:21 AM
 :yeah: All that fat and thick fluffy hair
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: cb1989 on September 19, 2018, 08:51:49 AM
Unless really cold, sour can happen quickly if you don't get it off the bone quick enough..in as little as an hour or less..they hold heat like nothing else

Do you always bone out bears in the field? I see some guys take bone in hams, but seems like if anythings going to hold heat next to the bone its the hams. Especially if you've got a few hour pack out before you can get it cooled off.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: mountainman on September 19, 2018, 09:19:13 AM
Unless really cold, sour can happen quickly if you don't get it off the bone quick enough..in as little as an hour or less..they hold heat like nothing else

Do you always bone out bears in the field? I see some guys take bone in hams, but seems like if anythings going to hold heat next to the bone its the hams. Especially if you've got a few hour pack out before you can get it cooled off.
Always
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: boneaddict on September 19, 2018, 10:11:05 AM
I did a deer once.  Was filled with green slimey mucousy tumors.   Smelled aweful.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 19, 2018, 10:42:07 AM
Iíve killed one nasty bear. It smelled to high heaven and when I started to process it as I was skinning it there were little worms in the flesh. Later on when I took the skin out of the bed of my truck it looked like I poured a can of gear oil in the bed of the truck. Super oily.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: jrebel on September 20, 2018, 03:51:10 PM
This was not a processing problem.  This bear was treated no different than any of my other three and they all turned out fine.  This was just a rotten bear.  I have smelled bone sour before......this was not it.  Smelled like decomp. 
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: mountainman on September 20, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
Bears are what they eat. Probably been feeding on some dead critters..
Love cooking up some berry fed bearchops!
Salmon eaters stink the kitchen to high heaven, if you can stand to cook it😝
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: tgomez on September 22, 2018, 03:28:47 PM
Call WDFW and report your problem. They may issue you another bear tag due to loss of your meat. Either way congratulations on getting one.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: csaaphill on September 23, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
He should be able to get a second tag anyhows I believe?
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: millerwheeler on September 27, 2018, 09:39:07 AM
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Bushcraft on September 27, 2018, 01:08:17 PM
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?

No. They are classified as a furbearer.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: mountainman on September 27, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?

No. They are classified as a furbearer.

Listed big game. Keep the meat
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: bigtex on September 27, 2018, 01:30:50 PM
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?
No. They are classified as a furbearer.
Incorrect.

Wildlife of any classification cannot be wasted. It's come up on this site several times that shooting a coyote and letting it lay is wastage. Now will an officer cite you, who knows. But by the law, yes it is wastage.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: lamrith on September 27, 2018, 01:45:24 PM
I'm curious  in  wa state do you have to take the meat ?
No. They are classified as a furbearer.
Incorrect.

Wildlife of any classification cannot be wasted. It's come up on this site several times that shooting a coyote and letting it lay is wastage. Now will an officer cite you, who knows. But by the law, yes it is wastage.
BigTex - What is the ruling/view on that if the meat is obviously bad upon getting to the down animal?  Case in point my ID bear last year.  We got on it as soon as possible, but it was completely obvious that the meat was no good and not something safe to consume?
I can appreciate not "wasting" the animal, but if the meat is not fit for consumption are we expected to still break it down and haul it out of the field only to throw it away?  Just seems an even bigger waste of the resource.  I would think it better for the ecosystem to take what is usable and leave the rest so that scavengers, etc can all get their piece of the pie as it were...
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: csaaphill on October 02, 2018, 01:07:26 AM
 :puke:
A tumor   :yike:
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: 7t9cobra on October 11, 2018, 06:24:18 PM
this is a direct quote from their website.     https://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/83/What+is+the+definition+of+%22wastage%2C%22+and+when+does+it+apply%3F

 "You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be wasted recklessly.
You must make a reasonable attempt to remove and use all edible meat from the carcass of harvested game fish, game birds, and game animals."

 If the meat is not edible, it is not wasting.  I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.

 
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: bigtex on November 06, 2018, 01:19:03 PM
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Eric M on November 06, 2018, 01:26:38 PM
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
According to this, the exception is cougar. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
68) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.

Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: bigtex on November 06, 2018, 01:53:29 PM
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
According to this, the exception is cougar. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
68) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
If you look deeper you'll see the actual enforcement laws have no exceptions. There's actually several wastage laws in WA.

The infractions (tickets):
RCW 77.15.160(1)
(g) Wasting fish or shellfish: Killing, taking, or possessing fish or shellfish having a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars and allowing the fish or shellfish to be wasted. (Notice it's just fish, not broken down into food fish, game fish, etc.)

RCW 77.15.160(2)
(c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted. (Notice it's wildlife, not broken down to birds, game animals, furbearers, etc.)

The crime (gross misdemeanor):
RCW 77.15.170
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if the person:
(a) Takes or possesses wildlife classified as food fish, game fish, shellfish, or game birds having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more, or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) Recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
[/(The big criminal statute does break it down to certain classifications, unlike the infractions)i]
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Eric M on November 06, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
I read somewhere that certain animals were exempt from the waste laws, but I'll be damned if I can find it. On the list I recall bobcat, coyote and cougar being on the list of animals that were not required to take the meat. According to what I read in the game regs it doesn't mention that though.
You can't find it because it's not true. Illegal to waste any fish or wildlife, doesn't matter if it's a deer, carp, or coyote.
According to this, the exception is cougar. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
68) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
If you look deeper you'll see the actual enforcement laws have no exceptions. There's actually several wastage laws in WA.

The infractions (tickets):
RCW 77.15.160(1)
(g) Wasting fish or shellfish: Killing, taking, or possessing fish or shellfish having a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars and allowing the fish or shellfish to be wasted. (Notice it's just fish, not broken down into food fish, game fish, etc.)

RCW 77.15.160(2)
(c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted. (Notice it's wildlife, not broken down to birds, game animals, furbearers, etc.)

The crime (gross misdemeanor):
RCW 77.15.170
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if the person:
(a) Takes or possesses wildlife classified as food fish, game fish, shellfish, or game birds having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more, or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) Recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
[/(The big criminal statute does break it down to certain classifications, unlike the infractions)i]
Thanks for clarifying that. It's a bit confusing. (To my pea brain)
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Stein on November 06, 2018, 02:30:12 PM
RCW also defines "waste" is 77.08.010

Quote
"To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.

It clearly doesn't apply to all "wildlife."


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Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Rob on November 06, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
Did you dissect the tumor?

I cut it in half and it was solid.  It was cresent shaped 1/2 diameter (tubular) and 2-2.5" long.  Consistency was like an unriped banana.  White inside.  Very weird.

Cyst maybe? 
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on November 06, 2018, 03:19:51 PM
Two years ago my buddy that I was hunting with shot a sow that was around 160-200 lbs. This bear was shreaded by another bear or something on its hind quarter. There was a huge infection in the meat. We contacted a game warden and they told us that we could bring in the bear to be looked. Once they looked at it they told him he could discard it and then they also issued him another tag.
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Post by: trophyelk6x6 on November 09, 2018, 05:29:21 PM
I quit eating even healthy ones, between my dad and I we have killed 4 but I will not eat them anymore after seeing probably 80-90 percent have worms in the meat.  Scared of Trich  :yike:
Title: Re: Anyone ever kill a rotten bear??
Post by: Angry Perch on November 10, 2018, 07:35:54 AM
I quit eating even healthy ones, between my dad and I we have killed 4 but I will not eat them anymore after seeing probably 80-90 percent have worms in the meat.  Scared of Trich  :yike:

All you have to do is cook it.