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Title: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bluemoon on September 11, 2018, 05:49:46 PM
This is just kind of an FYI of what I have been hearing on a daily basis.  I  am currently out in E. Montana, Terry, MT. to be precise. The past two weeks I have been learning the area, getting a P.O. box, set up local bank account etc. etc along with daily scouting. 
I keep hearing the same comment over and over.  Those Washington hunters your the worst groups ever.  What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them.  I have heard this from over a dozen different people.
So I just thought I would pass this along if you are headed this way.
You will find this small community very welcoming to hunters.  I  personally would like to see it stay that way.


Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jasnt on September 11, 2018, 05:56:57 PM
Sad deal.  Always some bad apples. I used to live in ekolaka mt extreme se mt)and they always said out of state hunters kept that town running when the saw mill shut down.  Some day I’ll move back to the area. Loved it there. This was 97’-98’
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 11, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
The people in eastern Washington feel the same way about western Washington hunters. Me, I could careless.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: MADMAX on September 11, 2018, 06:34:19 PM
Respect goes a long way and so does thank you
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 11, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
The people in eastern Washington feel the same way about western Washington hunters. Me, I could careless.

Couldn’t  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KFhunter on September 11, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
Idaho is the same way, getting sick of the WA plates everywhere mucking up old hunting areas locals grew up hunting.
~but the local businesses love it

big money coming out of WA locking up big chunks of Montana land for birds, locals used to hunt it growing up now these ranches are being bombed with no trespassing signs everywhere



sad and unavoidable at the same time.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Axle on September 11, 2018, 08:05:14 PM
Quote
Me, I could careless.

I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KNOPHISH on September 11, 2018, 08:44:30 PM
But a local Montanan with a whole moose hanging with hide & wrapped in a tarp for a week in the heat is ok.  :dunno: or driving round for a couple days with unskinned antelope. Could also probably witness this anywhere. I think there are a lot more respectful hunters than slobs, they just get noticed more.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Oh Mah on September 11, 2018, 09:17:18 PM
This is just kind of an FYI of what I have been hearing on a daily basis.  I  am currently out in E. Montana, Terry, MT. to be precise. The past two weeks I have been learning the area, getting a P.O. box, set up local bank account etc. etc along with daily scouting. 
I keep hearing the same comment over and over.  Those Washington hunters your the worst groups ever.  What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them.  I have heard this from over a dozen different people.
So I just thought I would pass this along if you are headed this way.
You will find this small community very welcoming to hunters.  I  personally would like to see it stay that way.
In the Nile people stack their carcasses up at the trail head,People come and grab them and use the hides.

Is there a place to take these carcasses in MT?I know here were supposed to either leave it or take it home and use it,Not supposed to send it to the dump.

My point is that it sounds like complaining about a problem that they don't have a solution to.If i'm wrong on any of what i posted please tell me so i and others that do the same know.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Seahawk12 on September 11, 2018, 09:23:22 PM
Good point.
How exactly are people expected to "take care of them"?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bluemoon on September 11, 2018, 09:39:11 PM
I will reword not carcasses,  but unprocessed animals.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Oh Mah on September 11, 2018, 09:50:23 PM
OK  :tup: what is an unprocessed animal?Are you saying that the good people of MT. are accusing hunters from WA. of going all the way there,killing big game after paying for out of state hunting and are leaving their big game wasting without so much as taking out the meat?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bluemoon on September 11, 2018, 10:02:59 PM
I thought long and hard before I posted this as just an FYI knowing that just about everything on Hunt Wa turns out confrontational.  I was just repeating what I have heard from the locals.
For the real hunters on here have a great season.  For the internet hunters keep dreaming.  I am out. 
Maybe I'll check back in in the Spring.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Oh Mah on September 11, 2018, 10:13:33 PM
 :tup: just trying to get the information part of your fyi.I asked a serious question could you at minimum answer it.What legally would you or the people that are complaining like for WA. hunters to do with the "unprocessed animals"?What do you mean unprocessed?What do MT. folks do?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: cem3434 on September 11, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
Thanks for the FYI.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Oh Mah on September 11, 2018, 10:22:22 PM
Thanks for the FYI.
Could you share the info?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jasnt on September 12, 2018, 05:34:59 AM
Dout he’ll be back oh mah.    It’s like kfhunter said. We are hunting “their” spots.  Dosent matter that 99% of us are doing it right. Still going to get the stink eye and the negative comments.  You can go to just about any state and the locals will be trash talking the out of towers in some fashion, this state included.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: elkboy on September 12, 2018, 06:54:02 AM
I hunted the B tag up in NE Montana one year.  I found the locals to be pretty friendly. 

My 2 cents worth might be that doing what any hunter ought to be doing anyway, such as cleaning up after yourself and your camp, getting permission on private land, hunting safely and legally, and being friendly will make you welcome again (and keep license plates from your state also welcome).  As for taking good care of harvested game (dressing and skinning promptly, etc.), that sure couldn't hurt.  It shows the resource is going to go to good use in a home that appreciates it.   
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: elkboy on September 12, 2018, 06:54:50 AM
And sorry if that came off as a rant or finger-wagging.  Neither intended.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bigshooter on September 12, 2018, 08:55:59 AM
If it's cold enough we usually hang them with the hide on.  Have you ever seen what a skinned deer looks like after it's hung in the MT cold and wind for a week?  It's a lot like jerky.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: 2MANY on September 12, 2018, 09:04:20 AM
The Rocky Mountain states better get used to it.
Us westerners are headed East and the takeover ain't gonna be pretty.

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KFhunter on September 12, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
We just need to make hunting here at home better

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 12, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Thanks for the heads up.
Call me confrontational I guess, but I have a hard time thinking that lots of people from Washington only? would be doing this. Maybe I'm being naïve, but really...why would people drive all the way to eastern Montana from here to shoot deer and just leave them? I understand why locals would get upset because a lot of out of towners show up for hunting season and crowd the hunting grounds, but shoot lots of deer and just leave them?

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: full choke on September 12, 2018, 09:54:42 AM
Thanks for the heads up.
Call me confrontational I guess, but I have a hard time thinking that lots of people from Washington only? would be doing this. Maybe I'm being naïve, but really...why would people drive all the way to eastern Montana from here to shoot deer and just leave them? I understand why locals would get upset because a lot of out of towners show up for hunting season and crowd the hunting grounds, but shoot lots of deer and just leave them?

I didn't read his post as meaning they are shooting them and just leaving them. I think he is referring to camps with multiple people having multiple animals unprocessed. I think the point was that it made people think they were greedy. Kind of a 5 guys with 10 doe's stacked up sort of thing? Maybe they see WA plates on the trucks in those camps? Not really sure what his point was though.

I thought KFhunters first post was poignant though...
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KopperBuck on September 12, 2018, 09:57:27 AM
Thanks for the heads up.
Call me confrontational I guess, but I have a hard time thinking that lots of people from Washington only? would be doing this. Maybe I'm being naïve, but really...why would people drive all the way to eastern Montana from here to shoot deer and just leave them? I understand why locals would get upset because a lot of out of towners show up for hunting season and crowd the hunting grounds, but shoot lots of deer and just leave them?

Ya, I ain't buying it either. Especially calling them out specifically. I hunt E MT - you see more Minnesota and Dakota plates than anything from our direction. The folks I talked to were wondering what the hell I was doing that far over. Just people complaining about new comers is all. I don't blame them - I don't like new neighbors either. But good lord would some of those places be hurting without an out of state hunting economy.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 12, 2018, 10:00:07 AM




BRING FRESH FISH.......salmon, smoked salmon.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: PolarBear on September 12, 2018, 10:01:43 AM
My cousins in Idaho call them the "Outdoor Channel wannabe city folk".  They can't stand the out of staters that show up in their pavement princess rigs plastered with Bone Collector and such stickers looking like they just stepped out of a Cabela's catalog.   :chuckle:  They say those are the folks who trespass, trash the woods and leave a bunch of wounded critters to rot.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: PolarBear on September 12, 2018, 10:03:36 AM




BRING FRESH FISH.......salmon, smoked salmon.
I use to bring 5 gallon buckets of fresh oysters and purged manilla clams.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KFhunter on September 12, 2018, 10:04:41 AM
Thanks for the heads up.
Call me confrontational I guess, but I have a hard time thinking that lots of people from Washington only? would be doing this. Maybe I'm being naïve, but really...why would people drive all the way to eastern Montana from here to shoot deer and just leave them? I understand why locals would get upset because a lot of out of towners show up for hunting season and crowd the hunting grounds, but shoot lots of deer and just leave them?

Ya, I ain't buying it either. Especially calling them out specifically. I hunt E MT - you see more Minnesota and Dakota plates than anything from our direction. The folks I talked to were wondering what the hell I was doing that far over. Just people complaining about new comers is all. I don't blame them - I don't like new neighbors either. But good lord would some of those places be hurting without an out of state hunting economy.

E WA sees a lot of benefits to the local economy too from W WA hunters. 
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KFhunter on September 12, 2018, 10:05:26 AM




BRING FRESH FISH.......salmon, smoked salmon.
I use to bring 5 gallon buckets of fresh oysters and purged manilla clams.

Hey you know I might got a 4pt out in the back hay field...just sayin  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
Every local thinks they own the critters. East vs west wa is prime example. So tired of the bs oh you west siders. I pay taxes and have every right to hunt where i please. When i travel and hunt every place I stop from gas to groceries to a hot meal in town thanks me for stopping by.

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KFhunter on September 12, 2018, 10:13:02 AM
nice rant  :chuckle:



feel better?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 10:49:03 AM
Yup! Thank you.  :tup:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Stein on September 12, 2018, 11:21:13 AM
MT is pretty bad with their out of state hate.

I was hunting by a guy talking about where I grew up in MT and we had a good chat for well over an hour.  On the way out he saw my truck, scowled and then wouldn't say a word.

Wyoming has been the best experience for me hunting out of state, MT the worst.

I do agree that people should respect the land and animals, I just wonder how much of the hearsay is true and how much is some guy heard something and they are probably out of staters.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: 2MANY on September 12, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
I've never heard of Montana?

Sounds like an awesome place to hunt and buy property.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
 :chuckle: :yeah: :tup:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: PolarBear on September 12, 2018, 01:05:29 PM




BRING FRESH FISH.......salmon, smoked salmon.
I use to bring 5 gallon buckets of fresh oysters and purged manilla clams.

Hey you know I might got a 4pt out in the back hay field...just sayin  :chuckle:
Just sold my last commercial beach 4 months ago.  No more shellfish for this guy.  It was a great bargaining tool however. 
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: 2MANY on September 12, 2018, 01:22:32 PM
No worries.

Jonas can still dig there.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: WAElkhunter89 on September 12, 2018, 01:31:34 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but by setting up a PO box and establishing an account at a local bank allow you to purchase licenses at resident costs versus non-resident costs? Are you able to maintain residency in Washington as well as Montana?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 12, 2018, 04:24:21 PM
 :yike:

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: spookgus on September 12, 2018, 05:01:38 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but by setting up a PO box and establishing an account at a local bank allow you to purchase licenses at resident costs versus non-resident costs? Are you able to maintain residency in Washington as well as Montana?
negative and/or not for long.  Can’t ride two horses with one ass
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bluemoon on September 12, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
So now I'm an ass! You know nothing of me! I am a third generation Washingtonian going back to the late 1800's.  Grew up in Eastern Wa. Cussing the the 206rs. I reside now in Chehalis. Due to hard work I am now able to spend my hunting season in Montana. This year I relocated in my 5th. Wheel to a new area hence the P.O.Box so I can get my mail. I need to do banking so yes I need a local bank. I like to blend into the community and support the local economy.  So yes all of my hunting licenses and tags are nonresident.  I by my choice electic to spend my hunting money here rather than Washington.
And yes over here you are presumed innocent  until proven guilty.  Not that I need to  explain myself to anyone.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: spookgus on September 12, 2018, 05:55:23 PM
“Ass” is part of the expression, I’m sorry if you felt “ass” was directed at you
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Whoa there.....
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 06:15:58 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Ironhead on September 12, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
Anybody from Washington ever said," them damn outa staters are ruining our hunting",no?  Me neither. The problem is, we Washingtonians are flooding the other western states because our hunting pales to most of theirs .That pisses the locals off that used to have the woods all to them selves. I don't really think its about our ethics, I think it has more to do with how many of us are hunting out of state now.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
I said they appreciate it. Not that they are hurting. Never God's gift to anyone.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: KFhunter on September 12, 2018, 06:25:13 PM
Anybody from Washington ever said," them damn outa staters are ruining our hunting",no?  Me neither. The problem is, we Washingtonians are flooding the other western states because our hunting pales to most of theirs .That pisses the locals off that used to have the woods all to them selves. I don't really think its about our ethics, I think it has more to do with how many of us are hunting out of state now.

 :yeah:

I can't recall ever seeing a MT or ID plate out in the woods hunting, logging yes...hunting not so much.

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 12, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
I will be in Eastern Montana this November Hunting deer, I will keep my eyes open for these punk Washington slob doe stackers. I wonder if maybe they were playing Jenga with some does?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: grundy53 on September 12, 2018, 06:37:29 PM
This thread is getting ridiculous.

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Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Odell on September 12, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
this kind of stuff is D U M B

The biggest slob hunters I know are some good ol boys from a mt west state. Not gonna judge anyone but them and maybe their parents.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: grundy53 on September 12, 2018, 06:39:00 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff
Once again, why are you even here? It's obvious you hate Washington hunters. So why do you spend your time on a Washington hunting forum?

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Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 06:54:13 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff
Once again, why are you even here? It's obvious you hate Washington hunters. So why do you spend your time on a Washington hunting forum?

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Just here for the friendly conversation like this
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 06:54:58 PM
So simply to stir s up huh.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: cem3434 on September 12, 2018, 07:34:31 PM
So now I'm an ass! You know nothing of me! I am a third generation Washingtonian going back to the late 1800's.  Grew up in Eastern Wa. Cussing the the 206rs. I reside now in Chehalis. Due to hard work I am now able to spend my hunting season in Montana. This year I relocated in my 5th. Wheel to a new area hence the P.O.Box so I can get my mail. I need to do banking so yes I need a local bank. I like to blend into the community and support the local economy.  So yes all of my hunting licenses and tags are nonresident.  I by my choice electic to spend my hunting money here rather than Washington.
And yes over here you are presumed innocent  until proven guilty.  Not that I need to  explain myself to anyone.

I thought you were done and weren't going to check in with us again until next spring. :chuckle: 
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: cem3434 on September 12, 2018, 07:40:01 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: meatwhack on September 12, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
Not to derail the thread further but for Idaho I’d venture to bet that at least 50% of the nonresident tags are sold to residents buying 2nd tags.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 08:33:01 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.

Your delusional
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: MADMAX on September 12, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
Never had a bad experience in MT

Oct 2 heading for antelope
Nov 8th heading for deer
If I see some sketchy dudes from Washington
I’ll let you know
Don’t hold your breath 😂
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: cem3434 on September 12, 2018, 09:15:07 PM

Your delusional

Thanks for the kind words, but I am confused on how I'm the delusional one? I bet I have donated more money to IDFG in the last 5 years than the average resident hunter  spends in 15+ years. Do a little research and I think you will be surprised at how much of IDFG's funding comes from non-resident hunters.

I would also ask that you please explain your logic on how non-residents are bad for Idaho other than the residents getting a little more competition in your honey holes? I have plenty of family in both Idaho and Montana, so I hunt both often and have never had a bad experience with the locals. Maybe it's just your neck of the woods, but it definitely hasn't been my experience that non-residents aren't welcome.

I'm all for a spirited debate,  but please don't waste our time stirring the pot and just throwing out ignorant statements or personal attacks on members.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 09:23:27 PM
I would think your statement that Idaho any Montana fish and game wouldn’t be able to support themselves probably warrants a little more factual back up. Seems like a broadly uneducated statement based solely on how much money you’ve personally spent. And I insulted no one. I pointed out how conceded it is when guys think they support communities buy hunting somewhere and that they just couldn’t possibly survive with out them. Kinda like your statement about fish and game I guess. Youd be surprised the pm’s I get with folks on here that agree with but probably care way more about getting banned or something silly
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: h20hunter on September 12, 2018, 09:29:07 PM
*conceited
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 09:31:43 PM
When you’ve resorted to spell check on the internet you know you’ve lost. Typing on my phone but thanks for letting me know mom
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: MADMAX on September 12, 2018, 09:34:42 PM
Dude you seem to have a chip on your shoulder
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Oh Mah on September 12, 2018, 09:37:19 PM
Stacking does and not processing them?I will ask again,Are you saying they never processed them and wasted?I thought i was asking a legit question because if this is the case and the MT. hunters know who was doing it was leo called?Wasting deer and elk is illegal in all states so if there is no case to site i must assume leo was not called and if this story is true at all then it doesn't make these MT. hunters look very good at all by not reporting.  :twocents:


I WILL ADD THAT IF THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS I ASKED CANNOT BE ANSWERED AND THEY JUST KEEP GETTING DEFLECTED THEN I THINK IT WILL NOT BE BELIEVED BY MANY,INCLUDING MYSELF.

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 09:41:54 PM
Dude you seem to have a chip on your shoulder

Me or the guy spell checking me?  Too funny  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 12, 2018, 09:42:28 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

The last time I hunted in Idaho I spent $500 ish while there above and beyond license fees. Stayed in nice mom and pop motel. Went to a brewery and a Mexican restaurant.  Did some grocery shopping. I’m sure some spend a lot less and some spend a lot more. That motel was chock full of hunters. No vacancy. You can’t tell me the annual bump in income doesn’t help those folks out right before Christmas.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 12, 2018, 09:45:44 PM
 :hello:
Just stopped in to see what’s going on.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 12, 2018, 09:53:49 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

The last time I hunted in Idaho I spent $500 ish while there above and beyond license fees. Stayed in nice mom and pop motel. Went to a brewery and a Mexican restaurant.  Did some grocery shopping. I’m sure some spend a lot less and some spend a lot more. That motel was chock full of hunters. No vacancy. You can’t tell me the annual bump in income doesn’t help those folks out right before Christmas.


Help sure. The point of owning a business is making money for a service. Directly responsible for the survival of a community as so many always like to pat themselves on the back for? No
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 12, 2018, 09:58:36 PM
Sounds like we could start another thread to debate the importance or lack of importance out of state dollars are to small communities.

Back to the original topic I think it is very important for hunters to make sure they try to present ourselves and what we do in the positive way possible. Probably a good reminder for all of us. And as one of the first few posters put it it’s normally just a few bad apples that paint an entire group in a bad way.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: M_ray on September 12, 2018, 10:47:59 PM
Still have a hard time believing it’s the whole animal but more likely just carcasses, heads and hides. I bet the real problem is chronic waste disease??? Unfortunately the law requires hunters to leave the carcasses and brains behind so it’s a catch 22, the non-res hunters from all states including us no good rotten westsiders don’t have much of a choice but to leave it behind.

BTW I have been hunting Montana for 18 years and leased land there for awhile and I have seen trespassers and poaching from ALL the western states equally so no one is exempt in fact on our lease and area the only Wa hunters that we confirmed poached were from Eastern Wa not the wet side... just sayin  :dunno:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: huntnphool on September 12, 2018, 11:38:58 PM
Still have a hard time believing it’s the whole animal but more likely just carcasses, heads and hides. I bet the real problem is chronic waste disease??? Unfortunately the law requires hunters to leave the carcasses and brains behind so it’s a catch 22, the non-res hunters from all states including us no good rotten westsiders don’t have much of a choice but to leave it behind.

BTW I have been hunting Montana for 18 years and leased land there for awhile and I have seen trespassers and poaching from ALL the western states equally so no one is exempt in fact on our lease and area the only Wa hunters that we confirmed poached were from Eastern Wa not the wet side... just sayin  :dunno:

 And unfortunately members of this site. :bash:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bigshooter on September 13, 2018, 09:01:24 AM
I would think your statement that Idaho any Montana fish and game wouldn’t be able to support themselves probably warrants a little more factual back up. Seems like a broadly uneducated statement based solely on how much money you’ve personally spent. And I insulted no one. I pointed out how conceded it is when guys think they support communities buy hunting somewhere and that they just couldn’t possibly survive with out them. Kinda like your statement about fish and game I guess. Youd be surprised the pm’s I get with folks on here that agree with but probably care way more about getting banned or something silly

I've seen the numbers (real factual numbers) posted on this site and just about every other hunting forum.  And Id, MT, and WY couldn't make it without out of state hunters.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 13, 2018, 09:10:07 AM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

The last time I hunted in Idaho I spent $500 ish while there above and beyond license fees. Stayed in nice mom and pop motel. Went to a brewery and a Mexican restaurant.  Did some grocery shopping. I’m sure some spend a lot less and some spend a lot more. That motel was chock full of hunters. No vacancy. You can’t tell me the annual bump in income doesn’t help those folks out right before Christmas.


Help sure. The point of owning a business is making money for a service. Directly responsible for the survival of a community as so many always like to pat themselves on the back for? No

I would challenge your opinion strongly. I have family in a small town in Eastern Washington that is seemingly barely hanging on. The economy there gets a huge bump there every hunting season, and that's mostly only from resident hunters. In a state like Idaho where thousands of out of state hunters come to, I think you'd be surprised what the non-res hunters do for the local small town economies. Businesses aren't typically in business to break even. At least not the businesses I'm familiar with. I agree that this would not be the case everywhere in Idaho and maybe not entire communities and towns...but I'm sure if you went business to business, you'd see my side of it more.


And for the record, I'm definitely not patting myself on the back. Just recognizing that out of state hunters and outdoors people in general spend a crap ton of money in these small rural towns. Business owners look forward to that every year. This is fact. Without it, their profits wouldn't be nearly as strong.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 13, 2018, 09:12:59 AM
This is just kind of an FYI of what I have been hearing on a daily basis.  I  am currently out in E. Montana, Terry, MT. to be precise. The past two weeks I have been learning the area, getting a P.O. box, set up local bank account etc. etc along with daily scouting. 
I keep hearing the same comment over and over.  Those Washington hunters your the worst groups ever.  What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them.  I have heard this from over a dozen different people.
So I just thought I would pass this along if you are headed this way.
You will find this small community very welcoming to hunters.  I  personally would like to see it stay that way.




I'm really curious specifically what "What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them" means.

Are the hunters leaving bone piles?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: 2MANY on September 13, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
The Lord's pot stirring does little to get me fired up.

Truth is many small Rocky Mountain towns depend on tourism.
Hunting, fishing, rafting, you name it they look forward to the tourist season.

The ones that don't profit from the tourists are the ones that bitch.
The end.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 13, 2018, 10:59:24 AM
This is just kind of an FYI of what I have been hearing on a daily basis.  I  am currently out in E. Montana, Terry, MT. to be precise. The past two weeks I have been learning the area, getting a P.O. box, set up local bank account etc. etc along with daily scouting. 
I keep hearing the same comment over and over.  Those Washington hunters your the worst groups ever.  What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them.  I have heard this from over a dozen different people.
So I just thought I would pass this along if you are headed this way.
You will find this small community very welcoming to hunters.  I  personally would like to see it stay that way.




I'm really curious specifically what "What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them" means.

Are the hunters leaving bone piles?
:yeah:  More information on exactly what was seen would be great.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Seahawk12 on September 13, 2018, 11:44:39 AM
This is just kind of an FYI of what I have been hearing on a daily basis.  I  am currently out in E. Montana, Terry, MT. to be precise. The past two weeks I have been learning the area, getting a P.O. box, set up local bank account etc. etc along with daily scouting. 
I keep hearing the same comment over and over.  Those Washington hunters your the worst groups ever.  What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them.  I have heard this from over a dozen different people.
So I just thought I would pass this along if you are headed this way.
You will find this small community very welcoming to hunters.  I  personally would like to see it stay that way.




I'm really curious specifically what "What they are talking about is groups with lots of B tags just stacking up the carcasses in their camps and not taking care of them" means.

Are the hunters leaving bone piles?
:yeah:  More information on exactly what was seen would be great.
I took it to mean that the Washingtonians hunting prowess is so great that they're stacking their harvest like cord wood.  :tung:
Leaving good meat to spoil is illegal everywhere, so I don't believe that to be the case and I won't believe that without seeing some form of verifiable proof.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: meatwhack on September 13, 2018, 12:12:35 PM
Just thought I’d share this from the IDFG site about second tags which are sold at the nonresident price.

The second-tag program has been popular with hunters. For many years, portions of the nonresident quota of 12,815 elk tags and 15,500 deer tags went unsold. Since 2000, they have been available as second tags for residents and nonresidents alike, although the majority of second tags (about 70 percent) are sold to residents.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 13, 2018, 12:14:04 PM
The Lord's pot stirring does little to get me fired up.

Truth is many small Rocky Mountain towns depend on tourism.
Hunting, fishing, rafting, you name it they look forward to the tourist season.

The ones that don't profit from the tourists are the ones that bitch.
The end.

Words of wisdomness right there.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 13, 2018, 12:14:29 PM
Just thought I’d share this from the IDFG site about second tags which are sold at the nonresident price.

The second-tag program has been popular with hunters. For many years, portions of the nonresident quota of 12,815 elk tags and 15,500 deer tags went unsold. Since 2000, they have been available as second tags for residents and nonresidents alike, although the majority of second tags (about 70 percent) are sold to residents.

So you're saying Idaho wants more of us?
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bob33 on September 13, 2018, 12:15:52 PM
Just thought I’d share this from the IDFG site about second tags which are sold at the nonresident price.

The second-tag program has been popular with hunters. For many years, portions of the nonresident quota of 12,815 elk tags and 15,500 deer tags went unsold. Since 2000, they have been available as second tags for residents and nonresidents alike, although the majority of second tags (about 70 percent) are sold to residents.

So you're saying Idaho wants more of us our money?
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Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: meatwhack on September 13, 2018, 12:19:51 PM
I was just sharing information I thought was interesting.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: meatwhack on September 13, 2018, 12:23:18 PM
For the small town support argument I’ve never really bought into that for hunting. I think some towns definitely rely on tourism to run the economy but as far hunting goes I don’t think it has near as much effect myself.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: dune on September 13, 2018, 01:27:07 PM
I'm from MT. the only thing I can say is both in state and out of state hunters give themselves a bad rep. I don't like the fact hunting is all about 💰 in MT. Most of the ranches I hunted as a kid are lease or pay to truspass.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 13, 2018, 01:41:16 PM
For the small town support argument I’ve never really bought into that for hunting. I think some towns definitely rely on tourism to run the economy but as far hunting goes I don’t think it has near as much effect myself.

I don't think it's some of the town's lifeblood but I do think that without it, their ability to survive would greatly diminish. I have hunted a handful of different areas in or near small towns in Montana and driven through way more. Many of them have numerous signs saying things like "welcome hunters" or have things trying to draw in hunters. Hunting season in a few months long so how anyone can say that a motel in a small town wouldn't need and want hunter's revenue to actually make a dime is beyond me.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Stein on September 13, 2018, 01:58:03 PM
For the small town support argument I’ve never really bought into that for hunting. I think some towns definitely rely on tourism to run the economy but as far hunting goes I don’t think it has near as much effect myself.

If you are talking Bozeman, then I would agree.  If you are talking about one of the tons of tiny towns that don't have much tourism, I would not agree.  The town I hunt has all rooms in all hotels booked almost solid for almost 12 weeks of hunting season.  I pay about $120 and you can go anytime outside of hunting season and get a room for $59 and have an empty parking lot.

There are a bunch of towns that just don't get hardly and traffic outside hunting season, what is the draw for a sleepy ranching community?  For those businesses, I bet they make a substantial portion of their profit during hunting season.  It's not the entire story, but without hunting I bet more than the occasional business would be close to break-even.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 13, 2018, 03:03:02 PM
I lived in Wyoming 11 years and worked for the Game and Fish Department over 7 of those.  I can vouch that nonresident deer and antelope licenses run the Department financially, every other program including elk, fishing and resident hunting are subsidized by those revenues. 

Hunting and wildlife-related tourism are estimated to contribute 5% of the entire state economy.  By comparison, agriculture is 12% of the Washington state economy; apples, dairy and potatoes comprise about 4.85% of the Washington state economy.  Hunting and wildlife-related recreation are more important to Wyoming's economy than apples, dairy and potatoes are to Washington's.  That 5% is the highest of all 50 states, the importance of hunting and wildlife tourism to the state's economy can't be overstated.

In terms of who are bad apples, some of the wardens' jokes in Wyoming are instructive.  Cheeseheads (WI as well as Mi and MN, also known as pumpkinsuits for their preferences for head to toe orange) are party hunters.  TX and LA plates are probable cause in eastern WY, in western Wyoming UT, NV and CA.  The professions most likely to poach are teachers, preachers and cops. 

I checked hunters in eastern WY from every state except ID, they do turn up in the west.  The only MT hunters I ever checked were doe/fawn antelope hunters down for the opportunity to take doe/fawn antelope at $24/pop.

Washington hunters didn't hit the radar much as a standout - they were more likely to hunt hard, i.e., you could find their trucks and not find the hunters.  They were generally easy to please, not terribly picky about trophy quality and enthusiastic about opportunities to fill multiple tags.  They were maybe more likely than some to trespass, usually due to a lack of understanding of Wyoming trespass laws.  Other places they were likely to get tripped up was not carrying a hunter safety card if born after 1966, and shooting forest grouse without an upland bird license.

In rural areas with low populations, one bad group of repeat nonresident hunters can give a state a bad name (whereas resident bad actors were known by family names).  When I started in Casper, a lot of the landowners didn't like Michigan hunters, it was mainly due to one outlaw group that was notorious for running around in 4wd vans, sliding the door open and shooting from the vehicle, grabbing the critter and running.  We worked them hard for about 3 years, and I was proud of the time I was able to watch them shoot a mule deer doe from the van while trespassing on private land without permission.  After 3 years and many citations they quit coming back.  I suspect the situation described relates to one particular party who happened to be from Washington, one bad crew can definitely sour a region on hunters from that particular state.       

 
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 13, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
I'm from MT. the only thing I can say is both in state and out of state hunters give themselves a bad rep. I don't like the fact hunting is all about 💰 in MT. Most of the ranches I hunted as a kid are lease or pay to truspass.
I saw the exact same thing with eastern Wyoming ranches in the 1990s.  It was a domino effect, as more and more ranches were pay to hunt or leased to outfitters, the pressure for access got higher and higher on the remaining ones.  I remember talking with the ranch manager on one of the last ones to allow free hunting in Converse County, he said they were going to have to charge the next year to cut down on the time dealing with hunters looking for access: over 1,500 contacts that summer and fall had impacted their ability to run the ranch.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: idaho guy on September 13, 2018, 03:46:40 PM
My cousins in Idaho call them the "Outdoor Channel wannabe city folk".  They can't stand the out of staters that show up in their pavement princess rigs plastered with Bone Collector and such stickers looking like they just stepped out of a Cabela's catalog.   :chuckle:  They say those are the folks who trespass, trash the woods and leave a bunch of wounded critters to rot.


that pretty much sums up the look!  :chuckle: I know many great hunters from Washington and have some family there also who are great hunters, unfortunately wa plates have a terrible name in Idaho and yes it is worse than any other state. It is the attitude of quite a few that come over. I feel like it is kill something at all costs without regard to the animails and screw anybody to do it. Yesterday I am driving back from bow hunting and check on a road leading to one of my other spots that is gated. Yep! Washington guys have the road blocked with jacked up rigs and camps and acting like nobody is getting into that spot. A guy comes out of his tent all puffed up! at about a 145lbs of terror :chuckle:. I was tired and not wanting to hunt anymore but  an out of stater will not keep me out of a spot I have been hunting 20 plus years ever! but that attitude is what is ruining it for the good guys. Btw I can four wheel to the gated road they are protecting from the bottom anyways  :chuckle:     
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 13, 2018, 03:50:11 PM
My cousins in Idaho call them the "Outdoor Channel wannabe city folk".  They can't stand the out of staters that show up in their pavement princess rigs plastered with Bone Collector and such stickers looking like they just stepped out of a Cabela's catalog.   :chuckle:  They say those are the folks who trespass, trash the woods and leave a bunch of wounded critters to rot.


that pretty much sums up the look!  :chuckle: I know many great hunters from Washington and have some family there also who are great hunters, unfortunately wa plates have a terrible name in Idaho and yes it is worse than any other state. It is the attitude of quite a few that come over. I feel like it is kill something at all costs without regard to the animails and screw anybody to do it. Yesterday I am driving back from bow hunting and check on a road leading to one of my other spots that is gated. Yep! Washington guys have the road blocked with jacked up rigs and camps and acting like nobody is getting into that spot. A guy comes out of his tent all puffed up! at about a 145lbs of terror :chuckle:. I was tired and not wanting to hunt anymore but  an out of stater will not keep me out of a spot I have been hunting 20 plus years ever! but that attitude is what is ruining it for the good guys. Btw I can four wheel to the gated road they are protecting from the bottom anyways  :chuckle:     
I see way too much of this in Chelan County.  Late archery in Swakane being the worst.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 13, 2018, 06:13:47 PM
Just thought I’d share this from the IDFG site about second tags which are sold at the nonresident price.

The second-tag program has been popular with hunters. For many years, portions of the nonresident quota of 12,815 elk tags and 15,500 deer tags went unsold. Since 2000, they have been available as second tags for residents and nonresidents alike, although the majority of second tags (about 70 percent) are sold to residents.

I’m inthat 70% . But no you guys are spot on it’s the other 30% that keeps us poor Idaho folks head above water
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Gringo31 on September 13, 2018, 08:35:33 PM
Interesting discussion. 

It's fair for me to say this.  I've hunted most of my life.  I'm now managing and guiding (either my kids or others) more than I hunt, and the fact is Hunters are a pain in the backside.  Between trespassers, rule breakers etc, it's hard for me to even look at "hunters" positively.  The worst is the super arrogant guys with the attitude who are wrong and pissy about it.  The level of aggression seems to get worse. 

My point is that it's easy for anyone to get a negative attitude.  Best thing we all can do is to remember what we learned in hunters safety.  It's easy for someone to give us a bad name.  Know the rules, follow them, respect the game and private property, realize a doe or buck isn't worth ________ and just be respectful and kind. 

   
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: PolarBear on September 13, 2018, 09:54:26 PM
My cousins in Idaho call them the "Outdoor Channel wannabe city folk".  They can't stand the out of staters that show up in their pavement princess rigs plastered with Bone Collector and such stickers looking like they just stepped out of a Cabela's catalog.   :chuckle:  They say those are the folks who trespass, trash the woods and leave a bunch of wounded critters to rot.


that pretty much sums up the look!  :chuckle: I know many great hunters from Washington and have some family there also who are great hunters, unfortunately wa plates have a terrible name in Idaho and yes it is worse than any other state. It is the attitude of quite a few that come over. I feel like it is kill something at all costs without regard to the animails and screw anybody to do it. Yesterday I am driving back from bow hunting and check on a road leading to one of my other spots that is gated. Yep! Washington guys have the road blocked with jacked up rigs and camps and acting like nobody is getting into that spot. A guy comes out of his tent all puffed up! at about a 145lbs of terror :chuckle:. I was tired and not wanting to hunt anymore but  an out of stater will not keep me out of a spot I have been hunting 20 plus years ever! but that attitude is what is ruining it for the good guys. Btw I can four wheel to the gated road they are protecting from the bottom anyways  :chuckle:   
My brother in law is high up in the DNR over there and basically runs the area from Sand Point to Canada.  He has a ton of stories of out of state dudes and their lack of respect for the locals, private property,
wild game, regulations, etc.  It is the whole "it aint my back yard" thing.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 13, 2018, 10:22:56 PM
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I sorta agree with lord grizzly..
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lokidog on September 13, 2018, 11:10:57 PM
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Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 14, 2018, 12:31:56 PM
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I sorta agree with lord grizzly..

It's the software developers that would have to add that feature.
:sry:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jasnt on September 14, 2018, 12:48:36 PM
Simple on my phone 👍🏻👎🏻
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jackelope on September 14, 2018, 01:56:31 PM
Simple on my phone 👍🏻👎🏻

You can "like" stuff via Tapatalk too, but that's a function of Tapatalk...not SMF.

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 14, 2018, 03:02:16 PM
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I sorta agree with lord grizzly..


Careful...
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: baker5150 on September 14, 2018, 03:10:45 PM
A few bad apples does not spoil the bunch.

It's the bigoted attitude that all apples are bad that spoils the bunch.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: CaNINE on September 14, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
This land is your land...this land is my land.

Treat the land, it’s wildlife and the others who use it with respect and we’ll all get along just fine.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: M_ray on September 14, 2018, 06:51:17 PM
A few bad apples does not spoil the bunch.

It's the bigoted attitude that all apples are bad that spoils the bunch.

Stop it now your making too much sense, everyone knows only bad apples reside on the west side of Washington!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: rasbo on September 14, 2018, 07:58:19 PM
I laugh at this stuff,there are only so many personalities, when I moved to Idaho i heard all the crap folks said about other states. I also noticed how messed up many of the locals were.heard the same when I moved to wa state, and then when I moved to eastern washington same crap... the same personalities excist everywhere. There ya have it...
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 14, 2018, 08:47:39 PM
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I sorta agree with lord grizzly..

It's the software developers that would have to add that feature.
:sry:



Darn, even though I don't live in Warshington any more.....I still enjoy this site. One of the best out there.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: bearpaw on September 15, 2018, 12:46:26 AM
I lived in Wyoming 11 years and worked for the Game and Fish Department over 7 of those.  I can vouch that nonresident deer and antelope licenses run the Department financially, every other program including elk, fishing and resident hunting are subsidized by those revenues. 

Hunting and wildlife-related tourism are estimated to contribute 5% of the entire state economy.  By comparison, agriculture is 12% of the Washington state economy; apples, dairy and potatoes comprise about 4.85% of the Washington state economy.  Hunting and wildlife-related recreation are more important to Wyoming's economy than apples, dairy and potatoes are to Washington's.  That 5% is the highest of all 50 states, the importance of hunting and wildlife tourism to the state's economy can't be overstated.

In terms of who are bad apples, some of the wardens' jokes in Wyoming are instructive.  Cheeseheads (WI as well as Mi and MN, also known as pumpkinsuits for their preferences for head to toe orange) are party hunters.  TX and LA plates are probable cause in eastern WY, in western Wyoming UT, NV and CA.  The professions most likely to poach are teachers, preachers and cops. 

I checked hunters in eastern WY from every state except ID, they do turn up in the west.  The only MT hunters I ever checked were doe/fawn antelope hunters down for the opportunity to take doe/fawn antelope at $24/pop.

Washington hunters didn't hit the radar much as a standout - they were more likely to hunt hard, i.e., you could find their trucks and not find the hunters.  They were generally easy to please, not terribly picky about trophy quality and enthusiastic about opportunities to fill multiple tags.  They were maybe more likely than some to trespass, usually due to a lack of understanding of Wyoming trespass laws.  Other places they were likely to get tripped up was not carrying a hunter safety card if born after 1966, and shooting forest grouse without an upland bird license.

In rural areas with low populations, one bad group of repeat nonresident hunters can give a state a bad name (whereas resident bad actors were known by family names).  When I started in Casper, a lot of the landowners didn't like Michigan hunters, it was mainly due to one outlaw group that was notorious for running around in 4wd vans, sliding the door open and shooting from the vehicle, grabbing the critter and running.  We worked them hard for about 3 years, and I was proud of the time I was able to watch them shoot a mule deer doe from the van while trespassing on private land without permission.  After 3 years and many citations they quit coming back.  I suspect the situation described relates to one particular party who happened to be from Washington, one bad crew can definitely sour a region on hunters from that particular state.       

 :yeah:  This is the best answer in the whole topic, and from someone who has seen it!
All the Rocky Mountain states rely on non-res hunters, in fact non-res hunters subsidize cheaper hunting licenses and tags for residents. The reason WA resident hunters pay more in WA is because there are not as many non-res hunters buying expensive licenses, therefore resident licenses must cost more.

In every group of hunters there are good and bad just like any other group of people, it's just as several others have said, probably one particular group or two has made a bad name for WA hunters in that area. One of the ranchers I lease from in Montana says midwest hunters are the worst, that's because he's had bad experience with a couple groups from WI and MN. As individuals we each need to show respect and act with dignity whether we are hunting our own backyard or out of the area.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: bearpaw on September 15, 2018, 12:51:11 AM
When you come to Colville you will see signs on many local businesses and even at the roundabout welcoming hunters, our town needs you, our chamber and our county commissioners understand that spring and fall hunting seasons are vital to our local economy!  :hello:

There are small towns all over the rocky mountain states in the same exact position. But in each small community there are locals who hate any competition, just remember, they aren't speaking for everyone so don't let them get to you.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jstamp on January 31, 2019, 07:45:30 AM
Being from wa and living in montana, I can tell you that the majority of the local hunters can't stand Washington hunters. Most of everyone i have talked to say that wa hunters are the worst. The common complaints are the lack of respect for land owners, shooting everything they see, wounding animals and not looking for them, and driving off roads with vehicles and atvs. Not saying it's just wa hunters that do that, but when you see more wa license plates then montana plates hunting some areas, I can see why the locals complain. Most land owners I know won't give permission to non resident hunters because in the past they've had nothing but problems with them. I have friends come and hunt with me from wa every year, they can attest to how things are. If I'm riding with them in their truck with wa plates, things are different then when I'm driving with montana plates. Now when I talk to other "local" hunters I never mention being from wa. I actually wish montana would go to a 4 pt minimum for deer. That would help with lots of people shooting spikes and 2pts.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: hunterofelk on January 31, 2019, 08:13:47 AM
When I lived in Livingston, Montana from 1961 to 1987, Minnesota was the most often seen out-of-staters plate seen.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jstamp on January 31, 2019, 08:30:28 AM
Still alot of Minnesota plates around in hunting season. I'm sure they get lumped in to wa as well.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 31, 2019, 08:42:01 AM
Being from wa and living in montana, I can tell you that the majority of the local hunters can't stand Washington hunters. Most of everyone i have talked to say that wa hunters are the worst. The common complaints are the lack of respect for land owners, shooting everything they see, wounding animals and not looking for them, and driving off roads with vehicles and atvs. Not saying it's just wa hunters that do that, but when you see more wa license plates then montana plates hunting some areas, I can see why the locals complain. Most land owners I know won't give permission to non resident hunters because in the past they've had nothing but problems with them. I have friends come and hunt with me from wa every year, they can attest to how things are. If I'm riding with them in their truck with wa plates, things are different then when I'm driving with montana plates. Now when I talk to other "local" hunters I never mention being from wa. I actually wish montana would go to a 4 pt minimum for deer. That would help with lots of people shooting spikes and 2pts.

Out of state hunters are always going to be the target of unfounded BS. Every local thinks their opportunity is lessened by the presence of hunters "who don't belong there". Even hunters from E.WA do the same thing talking about W.WA hunters. What it boils down to is NIMBY. The locals all benefit from the money from out of state hunters but still badmouth them, and mostly without cause. The reality is that out of area and out of state hunters pay for a lot of goods and services which translate into jobs and a healthier economy, not to mention supplying the local F&G departments with big bucks for each license and tag. Your MT Dept of FWP couldn't operate without those dollars. If you see specific examples of wastage, littering, unethical or unsafe behavior, by all means report it and get those people cited. But making blanket statements about WA hunters "being the worst" is just plain ignorance. Most of the hunters I know in WA are ethical, law-abiding sportsmen and women. I doubt very seriously that lessens with people who spend extra thousands of dollars every year to hunt in MT.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 31, 2019, 09:05:11 AM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.

Your delusional

Some basic math for you..... Idaho sold 15,500 non resident deer tags this year.  at 301.75 apiece, that comes to $4,677,125.  And they sold 12,815 nonresident elk tags at $416.75 each for a total of $5,340,651.25. So just between elk and deer tags, that is over $10,000,00 dollars. That doesn't include hunting licenses or fishing licenses or permit drawing fees or tags for other big game species, or hunters who just get a small game license and maybe do some bird hunting.  Out of state hunters provide about 50% of all license and tag fee revenue in Idaho. So basically, if you got rid of out of State hunters, resident hunters would have to pay double what they do now to keep the same revenue stream to the State.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Odell on January 31, 2019, 09:40:34 AM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff


Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.

Your delusional

Some basic math for you..... Idaho sold 15,500 non resident deer tags this year.  at 301.75 apiece, that comes to $4,677,125.  And they sold 12,815 nonresident elk tags at $416.75 each for a total of $5,340,651.25. So just between elk and deer tags, that is over $10,000,00 dollars. That doesn't include hunting licenses or fishing licenses or permit drawing fees or tags for other big game species, or hunters who just get a small game license and maybe do some bird hunting.  Out of state hunters provide about 50% of all license and tag fee revenue in Idaho. So basically, if you got rid of out of State hunters, resident hunters would have to pay double what they do now to keep the same revenue stream to the State.

Just to play devils advocate, it might be worth it to pay double to remove 15- 20 k hunters from a state
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jstamp on January 31, 2019, 01:58:42 PM
First of all, I wasn't saying anything about the wa hunters, just stated what I hear from the locals. And yes, I'd pay more than double my license and tag fees to get rid of all the non resident hunters here. I'd gladly pay more money to hunt area with little pressure, whether it's montana or any other state. I get why hunting out of state is so popular if you live in wa, there's not much for game there. The general mule deer units are packed with people, the draw odds suck, the west side elk have all but died from hoof rot, and you spend almost the price of a non resident tag fee just to buy a license and apply for permits. As far as the non resident hunters affecting the economy, I'm sure some businesses would lose some money, but they are thriving the rest of the year and not just in hunting season.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Stein on January 31, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff

Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.

Your delusional

Some basic math for you..... Idaho sold 15,500 non resident deer tags this year.  at 301.75 apiece, that comes to $4,677,125.  And they sold 12,815 nonresident elk tags at $416.75 each for a total of $5,340,651.25. So just between elk and deer tags, that is over $10,000,00 dollars. That doesn't include hunting licenses or fishing licenses or permit drawing fees or tags for other big game species, or hunters who just get a small game license and maybe do some bird hunting.  Out of state hunters provide about 50% of all license and tag fee revenue in Idaho. So basically, if you got rid of out of State hunters, resident hunters would have to pay double what they do now to keep the same revenue stream to the State.

Your numbers might be off, here is what I found from 2017.

From this report:  https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/directors-report-commission-2017.pdf

The numbers of NR tags sold were:

203,465 licenses (hunting, fishing, etc)
21,609 deer tags
1,395 turkey tags
15,438 elk tags
4,159 bear tags
659 lion tags
174 antelope tags
plus a few other things totaling 49,360 tags

The state took in $41M in tags and licenses.  If it's a 50-50 split, that's a $20M shortfall per year or about $70 for ever resident that buys a hunting or fishing license, probably more as the numbers would go down.  So, say $100 per person. 

It's the same in every western state except Washington.  NRs pay a huge chunk and absorb virtually all of the cost increases.  When a resident elk tag finally goes up $5, the pitchforks come out.  Each state has the right to kick all the NRs out if the residents were willing to pick up the bill.  I would think you could get a fair bit of support at the $100 level although I don't think the impact would be what most people expect.  From the sounds of this forum, the woods are loaded with NRs, but this article only puts NR hunters at 6% of the total license buyers (I think that lumps fishing in, but the number still is somewhat low).

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/jan/29/idaho-sees-drop-out-state-hunters/
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He noted, “Remember, non-residents comprise only 30 percent of license buyers. Non-resident hunters are 6 percent of license buyers, but provide 37 percent of all license revenue.”
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 31, 2019, 05:54:56 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff


Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.

Your delusional

Some basic math for you..... Idaho sold 15,500 non resident deer tags this year.  at 301.75 apiece, that comes to $4,677,125.  And they sold 12,815 nonresident elk tags at $416.75 each for a total of $5,340,651.25. So just between elk and deer tags, that is over $10,000,00 dollars. That doesn't include hunting licenses or fishing licenses or permit drawing fees or tags for other big game species, or hunters who just get a small game license and maybe do some bird hunting.  Out of state hunters provide about 50% of all license and tag fee revenue in Idaho. So basically, if you got rid of out of State hunters, resident hunters would have to pay double what they do now to keep the same revenue stream to the State.

Just to play devils advocate, it might be worth it to pay double to remove 15- 20 k hunters from a state

Go for it.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 31, 2019, 06:06:31 PM

Your numbers might be off, here is what I found from 2017.

From this report:  https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/directors-report-commission-2017.pdf

The numbers of NR tags sold were:

203,465 licenses (hunting, fishing, etc)
21,609 deer tags
1,395 turkey tags
15,438 elk tags
4,159 bear tags
659 lion tags
174 antelope tags
plus a few other things totaling 49,360 tags

The state took in $41M in tags and licenses.  If it's a 50-50 split, that's a $20M shortfall per year or about $70 for ever resident that buys a hunting or fishing license, probably more as the numbers would go down.  So, say $100 per person. 

It's the same in every western state except Washington.  NRs pay a huge chunk and absorb virtually all of the cost increases.  When a resident elk tag finally goes up $5, the pitchforks come out.  Each state has the right to kick all the NRs out if the residents were willing to pick up the bill.  I would think you could get a fair bit of support at the $100 level although I don't think the impact would be what most people expect.  From the sounds of this forum, the woods are loaded with NRs, but this article only puts NR hunters at 6% of the total license buyers (I think that lumps fishing in, but the number still is somewhat low).

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/jan/29/idaho-sees-drop-out-state-hunters/
Quote
He noted, “Remember, non-residents comprise only 30 percent of license buyers. Non-resident hunters are 6 percent of license buyers, but provide 37 percent of all license revenue.”

Here's where I got my numbers Stein.  https://idfg.idaho.gov/tag/quotas-nonresident

From this article, http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/jan/29/idaho-sees-drop-out-state-hunters/ , came this quote.

"“A decade ago … our non-resident license and tag sales were 54 percent of all license revenue, with the remainder, 46 percent, from residents,” Moore said. “Today, due to the great recession, perception of wolf impacts on our big game, and the non-resident fee increase in 2009, non-resident sales have declined since ’08 and now the split is closer to 50-50.”"

And here is a good article on the total amount of money non residents spend on hunting and fishing in Idaho.  It's not a drop in the bucket.

https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/fhw11-id.pdf

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Axle on January 31, 2019, 07:00:45 PM
If WA would control predators properly, this state could possibly be the best trophy state in the west and make tens of millions on out-of-state tags sales.
We have, however, a very corrupt government in this state at the moment which prevents good people from managing properly.
The corrupt politicians are against making money in hopes of buying votes to stay in office.
Their putrid stench has been spreading to good states like Montana. Sad to see this!
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: idaho guy on January 31, 2019, 07:38:42 PM
If WA would control predators properly, this state could possibly be the best trophy state in the west and make tens of millions on out-of-state tags sales.
We have, however, a very corrupt government in this state at the moment which prevents good people from managing properly.
The corrupt politicians are against making money in hopes of buying votes to stay in office.
Their putrid stench has been spreading to good states like Montana. Sad to see this!


I agree especially that wa could be a true trophy hunting state if they managed things better especially predators. Then we could have a thread on Montana hunters being hated in Washington  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 31, 2019, 09:11:50 PM
I am in the minority I am sure, having experienced out of staters on a couple different occasions in Blacktail and Rosie areas on the westside. A couple from Idaho and  a crew from Eastern Oregon both experiences were positive.  I guess I look at hunters as hunters and while I dont cherish the thought of them hunting the same spot I want to be, I also realize that for the most part out of staters are monetarily contributing more to the public coffers than I am and are in general not as big of a threat as locals who are much more familar with the animal habits, terrain and movement. I hope to receive the same courtesy when I am a guest in another state.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: bornhunter on January 31, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
Just talked to a good buddy of mine I retired with who moved to Mt 8 years ago. He buys a bunch of deer,elk and lope tags every year for anout 90 bucks. He says he and and other resident hunters love NR hunters because the NR's keep the R's hunting fees so low. He it makes for great conversation when they read all the stuff like this. Just sayin.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jstamp on February 01, 2019, 04:48:06 AM
Just talked to a good buddy of mine I retired with who moved to Mt 8 years ago. He buys a bunch of deer,elk and lope tags every year for anout 90 bucks. He says he and and other resident hunters love NR hunters because the NR's keep the R's hunting fees so low. He it makes for great conversation when they read all the stuff like this. Just sayin.


That's awesome for your buddy, I'm sure he has a honey hole that isn't overwhelmed by non resident hunters shooting every doe they see on private property. And yes it does make for great conversation, especially on this site since everyone is so quick to jump on the band wagon that Washington has the best and greatest hunters of any state. What's funny is that most people that post stuff on the internet, don't do much else, other than post stuff on the internet. Hey, if your 650 dollar mt deer tag is worth a spike to you, I say go for it. If I wanted to kill a spike, id stay in Washington and hunt blacktail on peterman.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 01, 2019, 05:23:31 AM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: bornhunter on February 01, 2019, 08:31:24 AM
Just talked to a good buddy of mine I retired with who moved to Mt 8 years ago. He buys a bunch of deer,elk and lope tags every year for anout 90 bucks. He says he and and other resident hunters love NR hunters because the NR's keep the R's hunting fees so low. He it makes for great conversation when they read all the stuff like this. Just sayin.


That's awesome for your buddy, I'm sure he has a honey hole that isn't overwhelmed by non resident hunters shooting every doe they see on private property. And yes it does make for great conversation, especially on this site since everyone is so quick to jump on the band wagon that Washington has the best and greatest hunters of any state. What's funny is that most people that post stuff on the internet, don't do much else, other than post stuff on the internet. Hey, if your 650 dollar mt deer tag is worth a spike to you, I say go for it. If I wanted to kill a spike, id stay in Washington and hunt blacktail on peterman.

I've seen a few dandy BT's on peterman. Never got one there though. Usually see them at night along 12.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jstamp on February 01, 2019, 03:00:10 PM
Just talked to a good buddy of mine I retired with who moved to Mt 8 years ago. He buys a bunch of deer,elk and lope tags every year for anout 90 bucks. He says he and and other resident hunters love NR hunters because the NR's keep the R's hunting fees so low. He it makes for great conversation when they read all the stuff like this. Just sayin.


That's awesome for your buddy, I'm sure he has a honey hole that isn't overwhelmed by non resident hunters shooting every doe they see on private property. And yes it does make for great conversation, especially on this site since everyone is so quick to jump on the band wagon that Washington has the best and greatest hunters of any state. What's funny is that most people that post stuff on the internet, don't do much else, other than post stuff on the internet. Hey, if your 650 dollar mt deer tag is worth a spike to you, I say go for it. If I wanted to kill a spike, id stay in Washington and hunt blacktail on peterman.

I've seen a few dandy BT's on peterman. Never got one there though. Usually see them at night along 12.


That abouts sums it up right there....spotlighting from the highway! And you wonder why wa hunters get a bad rap.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 01, 2019, 03:47:51 PM
This sounds about the same as the fishing woes of 'Some MT flyfishermen in W. WA.' 
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: jstamp on February 01, 2019, 03:55:15 PM
I've never been a big fly fisherman, but if I was, I probably wouldn't pick Washington as my fly fishing destination. Now if we're talking about free drifting bait for steelhead on the Cowlitz then maybe, but definitely not going there to battle all the people to fly fish.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: elksnout on February 01, 2019, 08:40:08 PM
I've hunted three different states more seasons than I can recall. Not a single incident ever while flying my Washington license plate. Go in humble and respectful, mind your manners and be a good steward. End of story.

Elksnout
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: bornhunter on February 01, 2019, 09:14:11 PM
Just talked to a good buddy of mine I retired with who moved to Mt 8 years ago. He buys a bunch of deer,elk and lope tags every year for anout 90 bucks. He says he and and other resident hunters love NR hunters because the NR's keep the R's hunting fees so low. He it makes for great conversation when they read all the stuff like this. Just sayin.


That's awesome for your buddy, I'm sure he has a honey hole that isn't overwhelmed by non resident hunters shooting every doe they see on private property. And yes it does make for great conversation, especially on this site since everyone is so quick to jump on the band wagon that Washington has the best and greatest hunters of any state. What's funny is that most people that post stuff on the internet, don't do much else, other than post stuff on the internet. Hey, if your 650 dollar mt deer tag is worth a spike to you, I say go for it. If I wanted to kill a spike, id stay in Washington and hunt blacktail on peterman.

I've seen a few dandy BT's on peterman. Never got one there though. Usually see them at night along 12.


That abouts sums it up right there....spotlighting from the highway! And you wonder why wa hunters get a bad rap.... :chuckle:

Very funny amigo! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 02, 2019, 07:02:17 AM
Since my only social media experience is 100%  hunting forums it’s funny how state-ism is such a thing. Like seriously it’s not far from suggesting that hunters from _____ state must fuel up at separate pumps or eat in different sections of the restaurant, etc
It’s absurd.
Since nobody wants to hunt with me i hunt out of state alone quite a bit, I always end up meeting great people on these hunts, friendly, helpful and accommodating.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: CaNINE on February 02, 2019, 08:10:31 AM
I've hunted three different states more seasons than I can recall. Not a single incident ever while flying my Washington license plate. Go in humble and respectful, mind your manners and be a good steward. End of story.

Elksnout

 :yeah:

Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Bigshooter on February 02, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
What I find funny is that you read on this site all the time how much east side guys hate seeing west side guys come hunting season.  But then can't believe that MT residents hate seeing all the WA hunters come hunting season.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: greenhead_killer on February 02, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
The group I hunt with has always had great interactions with the locals. We trade info, shoot the breeze, it’s always been good. We’re not on the roads except for first and last light so maybe that’s why we don’t have issues
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Odell on February 02, 2019, 03:01:03 PM
I love how people think your gods greatest gift to a small town and keeping them all alive by buying gas on your 4 day weekend in October. That’s always the funniest comment  on these threads. “ boy oh boy they’d be hurtin if it weren’t for all my big out of state money for half a week” get over yourselves. those folks are out there for a reason and it’s not to cater to you for two weeks out of the year.

 Out of state tags should be straight draw only with full cost fronted. Cut down on the riff raff


Montana and Idaho wouldn't be able to support their fish and wildlife departments without all of the out of state money. It's not just about the small town economics for two weeks, so maybe you should get over yourself and thank out of state hunters for keeping your fish and game departments thriving from all of the out of state license sales.

Your delusional

Some basic math for you..... Idaho sold 15,500 non resident deer tags this year.  at 301.75 apiece, that comes to $4,677,125.  And they sold 12,815 nonresident elk tags at $416.75 each for a total of $5,340,651.25. So just between elk and deer tags, that is over $10,000,00 dollars. That doesn't include hunting licenses or fishing licenses or permit drawing fees or tags for other big game species, or hunters who just get a small game license and maybe do some bird hunting.  Out of state hunters provide about 50% of all license and tag fee revenue in Idaho. So basically, if you got rid of out of State hunters, resident hunters would have to pay double what they do now to keep the same revenue stream to the State.

Just to play devils advocate, it might be worth it to pay double to remove 15- 20 k hunters from a state

Go for it.

 I don't want to do it, I can see how others might. It's not a feasible plan imo
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: idaho guy on February 02, 2019, 06:26:45 PM
Since my only social media experience is 100%  hunting forums it’s funny how state-ism is such a thing. Like seriously it’s not far from suggesting that hunters from _____ state must fuel up at separate pumps or eat in different sections of the restaurant, etc
It’s absurd


You might think that’s funny but I better not catch you eating at any resident only restaurant s or fueling up at resident pumps!
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: Dan-o on February 02, 2019, 06:38:33 PM
I've hunted out of state in Oregon, Utah and Montana, and I've learned a really interesting thing about how people treat out-of-staters:

People are people.   Treat them right and they tend to treat you right.    I've never head a negative run in while hunting out of state.

I hope to validate that Wyoming residents treat nonresidents like human beings in the next year or two.
Title: Re: Some Wa. Hunters in E. MT.
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on February 06, 2019, 06:25:09 PM
I have hunted MT, WY, ID, numerous times  along with WA and Alberta with no issues or dirty looks ever. If you are being treated poorly maybe you should examine your behavior.