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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: salt n sage90 on October 21, 2018, 03:29:52 PM
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My girlfriend and I came upon a panicked young man on Saturday morning who yelled that his father had been shot in the head by other hunters as he sped off in his truck to get help. We called 911 and left our information with LEOs when they showed up but didn't get involved past that as we didn't know what we would be walking in on or what the situation would be.
I was just curious if anyone had information or where i could go to get some closure for our own peace of mind.
Hoping for the best for the young hunter and his father.
Thanks.
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Prayers to them for a good outcome
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What area was this? I have several friends over there right now.
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Off of Little Bridge Creek a few miles.
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Heard a few details from distant family member of victim. Shot in face with a 40 or 45 caliber pistol at about 50 feet. Was mistaken for a cougar is the story. Heard the man was going into surgery but was still alive and should survive.
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Wth 50 ft wow some people shouldn't be in the woods
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Remember this is just my second/third hand info. I can’t confirm the facts, just here-say. My thoughts and prayers to the family and victims.
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This is not good. I have friends who hunt up that way. I sure hope the victim recovers.
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Prayers to the victim! 🙏
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How could you mistake a hunter/any human got a cougar? How can a human get shot in the HEAD by accident in any way!??
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Too drunk/high?
I can’t think of any other reasonable explanation
Prayers to the victim and families involved
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How could you mistake a hunter/any human got a cougar? How can a human get shot in the HEAD by accident in any way!??
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Too drunk/high?
I can’t think of any other reasonable explanation
Prayers to the victim and families involved
................and wearing orange on top of it too, friggin' idiots. :stup: :mor:
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jesus, how could they not see the target is human by the time they drew and aimed, sounds fishy x10
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Maybe dark out? Some people are jumpy and scared of the dark.
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Terrible, no matter how you look at it! I would say unbelievable but something this stupid happens almost every season :bash: :bash:.
Prayers to those effected!!
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How could you mistake a hunter/any human got a cougar? How can a human get shot in the HEAD by accident in any way!??
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Too drunk/high?
I can’t think of any other reasonable explanation
Prayers to the victim and families involved
................and wearing orange on top of it too, friggin' idiots. :stup: :mor:
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Wow, This is where I have been hunting all season except Saturday. Did see medics headed that way but had no idea this is what happened. Prayers to the family.
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While details are thin on this, it doesn’t change the fact that some people have no business owning firearms. It’s a hard truth.
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Thanks for the info, hope to hear hard facts soon. This happenend early in the morning, 7:00 am is when we called 911. Too dark out for me to pull the trigger on anything in my opinion.
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Thanks for the info, hope to hear hard facts soon. This happenend early in the morning, 7:00 am is when we called 911. Too dark out for me to pull the trigger on anything in my opinion.
Medics passed us on Twist River RD Sat. morning at about 7:30.
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Tag.
Sad
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May not have been an accident... horrible either way
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This is so beyond unacceptable I can hardly comprehend this.
I pray the victim survives and the idiots who perpetrated this nightmare get what's coming to them X 10
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Prayers
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No hard facts as of yet.
Unconfirmed sources have said that victim was making "cougar" like noises and was shot in the head, but is being treated and expected to survive, suspect in custody. Doesn't make much sense to me. Questioning whether we did the right thing not going in to aid. Only thing i could think was.
1. Im not a doctor.
2. Not looking to walk in on people who were armed and just shot a man.
But all i can think now is the guy sat for 45 minutes with a head wound and nobody nearby to talk to. I feel bad, but its hard to think rushing in on frazzled people who are armed and trigger happy is a good idea. Still weighs on the mind though.
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No hard facts as of yet.
Unconfirmed sources have said that victim was making "cougar" like noises and was shot in the head, but is being treated and expected to survive, suspect in custody. Doesn't make much sense to me. Questioning whether we did the right thing not going in to aid. Only thing i could think was.
1. Im not a doctor.
2. Not looking to walk in on people who were armed and just shot a man.
But all i can think now is the guy sat for 45 minutes with a head wound and nobody nearby to talk to. I feel bad, but its hard to think rushing in on frazzled people who are armed and trigger happy is a good idea. Still weighs on the mind though.
That is a tough one for sure but hard to help someone when you are also possibly hurt. Like on a plane put your mask on first..you did the right thing. So a question I keep asking is if he was making cougar sounds at 50 ft did the shooter not see the hunter orange? Or ? Seems a little fishy to me. But I wasn’t there so who knows. You did the right thing and what was needed at the time.
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Nothing at all in the news.
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What are the cougar sounds a human can make? Why shoot at a sound? Lets not use growls. If you can't tell the difference you probably should not leave the city.
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Tagging for hopefully further details. Know a few people who hunt down there but all accounted for. Sad sad deal
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People get so hyped up, it’s crazy. Afraid of their own damn skin. I hope he makes a full recovery.
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Terrible. Sad to hear this. Hope the fellow makes a speedy recovery. Can't imagine how scared and terrified the son must have been.
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This is crazy! Tagging to see any news that comes in. Prayers also for the victim and family
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I heard the sirens that morning also. I cant believe there aren't any details out there. Ill have to ask my family out there and find out what they've heard.
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:stup:
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Very, very, sad to hear, best wishes to the victim and his family for a full recovery.
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I just talked to the news desk at the Methow Valley News and they're going to check on it with the cops.
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Thanks Pianoman, eager to hear the full story.
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Best wishes to the victim. I hope the perpetrators are caught and charged with attempted murder.
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So, I’m just hearing of this today on my return from the mountains and back to the grind of work. Unfortunately, I happen to know the victim, he and I work for the same employer in the same line of work. Sad news for sure.
As of now we aren’t discussing much of what happened as like the rest of you know, the facts are not out there yet. I do know the individual is an experienced hunter and has been making this trip afield for years and with his two boys, teenagers I believe. My understanding is one boy stayed with his dad while the other went for help. Our folks have been talking with his family almost daily and he is doing OK considering the circumstance. Again, I will not speculate on the who, what, where, when or why, etc, etc, etc,…. At this stage that isn’t appropriate to anyone involved, with time the facts will come out.
Wish I knew more or could say more, but did at least want everyone to know he is doing OK so far, but probably a long recovery ahead. I also know it is a sad day when things like this happen, even worse when it hits close to home. Like myself, I know he looks forward to this time of year all year long, planning every detail and making the trip afield an enjoyable experience, successful or not. I hope somehow he is able to return to the activities he enjoys so much.
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From Ok Co Sheriff log:
S18-06502 06:57:45 10/20/18 Medical FS 4415 RD;
Officer: Comments: M GUN SHOT VICTIM, POSS RICOCHET TO HEAD
08:04:22 10/20/2018 - ORTIZ S 851
WILL BE ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING, NOT
SELF INFLICTED. EMS ON SCENE DOING CARE
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Prayers for all involved.
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Glad to hear victim is alive and will hopefully recover. Best wishes to him and his family for a full recovery and future hunting trips.
From Ok Co Sheriff log:
S18-06502 06:57:45 10/20/18 Medical FS 4415 RD;
Officer: Comments: M GUN SHOT VICTIM, POSS RICOCHET TO HEAD
08:04:22 10/20/2018 - ORTIZ S 851
WILL BE ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING, NOT
SELF INFLICTED. EMS ON SCENE DOING CARE
Not that it helps the victim, but I do hope it wasn't mistaken identity of game and that it was a ricochet as the post above seems to indicate. FYI - I have a friend who only bow hunts, he has a piece missing out of his ear from a wild bullet, that was when he quit rifle hunting. On the other hand I know a family who was stalking a buck several years ago, an arrow ricocheted off a rock and accidentally lethally hit another family member. Several years ago my sister and brother-in-law were hit by a driver who crossed the center line, I still think about them both often and it brings tears to my eyes. Sadly no matter what we do in life accidents can happen, the best we can do is try to do things in the safest manner possible to avoid accidents.
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http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-officers-investigating-assault-near-twisp/
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It was Saturday, not Sunday.
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Best wishes to the victim. I hope the perpetrators are caught and charged with attempted murder.
A lot of assuming going on here. :dunno: Maybe you know something the rest of us don't????
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Need not jump to conclusions. Wait for all of the facts to be released
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Gotta go in and try to help in that situation.
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ok, this is my camping and hunting friend. We have camped and hunted together for several years. Our camp in in hte old horse meadow off Little bridge creek road, just past dry creek. The right turn and just past creek on right.
saturday Oct=20, we parked at locked gate off the forest road. I will not divulge his name but refer to him as Friend.
Friend was hunting above Canyon Creek drainage, off Little Bridge creek road. His 2 sons accompanying him, He took a nice 4x4 earlier that week. Other hunters showed up and I chose to drive my truck to a lower road to hunt.
another hunter walks up the road as they were settled in on stand. It was that early daylight, around 645-655, when you can just see without a headlamp or flashlight. Friend moved from behind a bush to signal the hunter on the road that they were there. the hunter on road pulled out his pistol and shot toward him with his 45acp pistol.
Friend was lucky to duck and turn but not fast enough. the bullet entered the back of his neck, exited to the side back of his left eye.
He was shuttled by LE car to the lower area where a chopper picked him up and off to Wenatchee General hospital.
i have never talked to or seen so many GW in my life. 6 showed up, all in their own vehicles, along with local sheriffs too. Gave my statement about hearing time of shot, visibility at that hour etc etc..
Friend survived, will lose hearing in left ear, vision blurry and only time will tell how much he can recover.
YES, they (Friend, 2 sons) all had hunter orange on vests and hats. More orange than this old hunter even wears.
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Wow that sucks. Keeping your friend in my thoughts and prayers.
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It makes no sense. You can't even imagine somebody drawing on you like that when your sitting out on stand. :dunno:
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Hopefully that person will never be allowed to hunt again.
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Wow, that is terrible! What a tragedy, hope the victims comes through as quickly and as healthy as possible! Prayers to him and his family and friends effected.
MAVsled, thank you for coming on and giving so much more information.
This action brings to mind the two point thread and KNOWING YOUR TARGET!!!!
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Unbelievable! Just shoot at a unknown object :stup:
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well, put on my reading glasses so I can type properly and read.
saw 2 different cougars in this area on this trip. One that was 20 min behind, trailing a doe/fawn that passed me by earlier. Puts me on alert but not scared or edgy.
but I don't understand in the pre-dawn light of just shooting at sound or movement. I have hunted this Twisp area for over 50 years, some strange stuff occurred to me too but nothing like this. Making me consider switching to full time archery. But archery hunters carry hand guns to...I do.
hunter/shooter on road must have been on edge in the semi pre dawn light....no excuses. at the very least, I hope the shooter's license gets reviewed and pulled.
comforted his wife and sons briefly back at camp, before they left for Wenatchee General hospital. Watched over his camp and choc lab Booner as our other partners left Thursday. Friends family returned Sunday afternoon to pack up camp and dog Boone. to be honest, I cried my heart off on Saturday night. :'(
I felt horrible, wish I had accompanied them up that morning instead of changing my mind from the other hunters that showed up, causing me to change my morning hunt plans.
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Hopefully that person will never be allowed to hunt again.
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I’ve got lots to say but...
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and that rescue helicopter flying up the canyon at 7:35am or so was LOUD.
as were the sirens going up the Twisp river road. LE was there until past 5pm, investigating the shooting area.
haven't slept well since Saturday. and my wife goes; "after all that, you are leaving for elk season on Thursday?!!!"
oh my, this old guy just can't give up my hunting.
hunt safe, be respectful and alert out there everyone. ALWAYS practice good firearm, hunting safety...ALWAYS.
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and that rescue helicopter flying up the canyon at 7:35am or so was LOUD.
as were the sirens going up the Twisp river road. LE was there until past 5pm, investigating the shooting area.
haven't slept well since Saturday. and my wife goes; "after all that, you are leaving for elk season on Thursday?!!!"
oh my, this old guy just can't give up my hunting.
hunt safe, be respectful and alert out there everyone. ALWAYS practice good firearm, hunting safety...ALWAYS.
Amen...
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"ALWAYS practice good firearm, hunting safety...ALWAYS."
and if you don't know what this is or can't remember, take another firearm hunting safety course.
I took the WA certification when I was 10 years old
and just did the AZ cert 2 years ago....and still passed but the 99 out of 100 score bothered me. Miss read the question due to my eyesight at 60.
100% at age 10, at the West Seattle Dahl rifle range that used to be under West Seattle football stadium by golf course.
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Thank you for sharing. I hope your friend heals better than theynsay he will. I also hope the shooter gets his.
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Wow, I just got back from a week over there. Thoughts and prayers for a full recovery.
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MAV,
Thanks for the info. Hoping the best for your friend, his family, and his circle of friends affected. I can see how something like this can take the wind out of the sails. I haven't stopped thinking about the whole situation as well as the brief encounter I had with one son as he sped off for help. I must say under the circumstances he seemed to be a hero. I feel bad all I did was snap a picture of the remaining vehicle parked in case something foul was afoot. Thanks again.
Regards,
Dominic.
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Thanks for the info Mav, prayers for all involved.
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did the moron who pulled the trigger get any charges yet?
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That's not an accident, should hopefully result in criminal charges.
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Horrible.
Thanks for the update Mav.
God Speed for your friend.
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Terrible....
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It used to be in this state that if a person shot a person or livestock - accidentally or otherwise - while hunting, that the offending party would lose their hunting privileges for life, no exception. It used to be spelled out in the regs, and I can't imagine that rule has changed.
In this case, based on the info to date, this offender stands to lose a great deal more than hunting privileges.
Both their freedom and assets come to mind.
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Just unbelievable! Cant say that i have had anyone ever shot towards/at but have been scoped and it is frankly scary for reasons of this thread, never know what kind of idiot is on the other end of the stick! Glad he will survive and children wont have to have the worst case memory for life!
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This is just awful... but make no mistake, this is not a "hunting accident" This person was not shot with a hunting riffle, or any sort of hunting firearm. This person was shot with a personal defense firearm. If the shooter had his riffle in both hands and the guy jumped out of a bush and startled the shooter and an itchy finger caught the trigger then yes, "hunting accident". But that is not what happened here, there is absolutely no excuse possible for what happened here. This man was flat out shot. No mistaken identity at all, a full grown man standing 50 feet away covered in hunter orange. People are commenting that this person should loose his hunting privileges? He should and probably will lose a hell of a lot more then that!! Several years ago I remember reading an article about a young man that shot a hiker cause he thought she was a bear, he was bear hunting and she was wearing all black fleece. Now I can some what see that as a case of mistaken identity, inexperienced hunter, bear hunting makes some people nervous, hiker dressed in all black, doesn't make it right at all, but i'll buy it. Let's call that a "hunting accident" but, 50 FEET COVERED IN ORANGE, and deer hunting... 50 FEET COVERED IN ORANGE...
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unbelievable!!
Thankful your friend survived.
I and I am sure alot of others, have passed so many animals due to an imperfect shot oppurtunity, not knowing backdrop, skyline shots, just a hair too dark for comfort (but within legal hours), not knowing exactly where my hunting partner is, not knowing exactly where the dudes that hiked in behind me are, endless reason to NOT shoot, and then there is stories of these wastes of air. Shooting at movement or sound in the pre dawn light, in an area bound to be occupied by numerous others.
Unreal.
Sorry your friend and yourself , and others, have to go through this.
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"Our camp in the old horse meadow off Little Bridge Creek road, just past Dry Creek. The left turn and just past creek on right.
we parked at locked gate off the forest road, above Canyon Creek Drainage, off Little Bridge Creek road."
This should give you a better idea of the location of our old "Happy Hunting Grounds".
It's too bad our past memories will be scarred from this time forward.
Doug
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That's not an accident, should hopefully result in criminal charges.
Report indicates it’s being investigated as an assault not an accidental shooting.
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This is literally so disturbing it makes me want to hang it up for the year out of fear of idiots blasting my face off :'(
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This is literally so disturbing it makes me want to hang it up for the year out of fear of idiots blasting my face off :'(
That's my biggest fear when I hunt modern rifle deer as well :'( :'( :'(
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I've been shot at twice in Douglas county hunting mule deer as guys plug away at running deer at long range not watching where they're shooting. Last guy that did it thanked me for shooting the deer he had wounded after I had a bullet hit the dirt behind my wife and I. He was a state park ranger. These weren't intentional of course, just negligent. People get carried away unfortunately, I hope that this doesn't become a case of assault but its disturbing either way.
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What a horrible situation! Thank god he will live to see another day! I keep going back too 50ft away and covered in hunters orange and still gets shot!! WTF, Makes me sick to my stomach! Did the shooter stay around or did he take off after he shot?
It's things like this that make me think, do I really want to expose my kids to this....
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Unbelievable. So sorry to hear about this. Hopefully more information will come out down the road as to what exactly happened so others can at least learn from this. I understand that it can't and won't come out until the investigation is done but man there are a ton of questions to be answered.
Bottom line I feel so bad for the victim and all those involved. Prayers for as full of a recovery as one can have from something like this.
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I agree with the other comment that a lot more should happen then a lifetime license ban. Under the facts as described, at a minimum this was third degree assault. The hunter orange certainly could be seen in dim light. I heard enough stories like this that years ago I quit modern rifle. Very glad the victim survived.
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Is it weird I have yet to see this on the news
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Is it weird I have yet to see this on the news
Must be due to it being a hunter who was shot. Would be front page news everywhere if a hiker was accidentally shot.
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It used to be in this state that if a person shot a person or livestock - accidentally or otherwise - while hunting, that the offending party would lose their hunting privileges for life, no exception.
Nope...know a guy that accidentally peppered a guy in the face swatting a cripple...lost his hunting rights for two years then reinstated...in Washington
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Very sad.....glad to hear the victim / hunter will survive. I hope and pray for as full a recovery as possible. Hope the sons who had to witness this act recover as well.....what a horrible event to witness.
All involved will forever be changed.
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It used to be in this state that if a person shot a person or livestock - accidentally or otherwise - while hunting, that the offending party would lose their hunting privileges for life, no exception.
Nope...know a guy that accidentally peppered a guy in the face swatting a cripple...lost his hunting rights for two years then reinstated...in Washington
You did catch the 'used to be' part before noping out - right?
Am curious though - the guy you know who (not accidentally but rather) NEGLIGENTLY shot someone in the face -
Swatting a cripple?
Sorry but the phrase is lost on me - I'm dang'd near old though if that explains my not having heard it
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Swatting a cripple means shooting a cripple bird so it stops swimming on you (duck, etc.).
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Thank ya KP - I learn something new every day.
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We were camped on Thompson Ridge Road and hunting just above Little Bridge Creek.
We heard rumors of this accident and the helicopter circled over my grandson and I several times.
In the 80s my hunting partner was shot in the foot by another hunter when he walked up to a down elk. Lost most his foot.
One of the reasons I became a HE instructor.
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Is it weird I have yet to see this on the news
Good! Keep it away from the news! Don't need anymore negativity towards us hunters as it is. I'd rather it not be all over the news.
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Is it weird I have yet to see this on the news
Good! Keep it away from the news! Don't need anymore negativity towards us hunters as it is. I'd rather it not be all over the news.
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Speedy recovery for the victim. Hopefully the other dude can never hunt again.
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Swatting a cripple means shooting a cripple bird so it stops swimming on you (duck, etc.).
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I’ve never heard that term either. Are we sure it wasn’t an idiot trying to save a round and hit a crippled bird with the butt of his gun?
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Is it weird I have yet to see this on the news
Made it on someone's news blog:
(scroll down)
https://committeetoabolishsporthunting.wordpress.com/category/hunting-accident/
https://committeetoabolishsporthunting.wordpress.com/2018/10/24/wdfw-officers-investigating-assault-near-twisp/
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They mentioned Hunting Washington as a source :dunno:
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Yes....he (Andy) is a member here.
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Unfortunate that an individual can read of such a tragic and unfortunate situation and view it as an opportunity to further their agenda. Especially when that agenda is to undermine the tradition that the victim was sharing with his family when things occurred.
Any updates on his condition? The OP was in my camp and it's been on all our hearts since. Hoping for the best possible outcome.
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The headlines in the links above say he died.
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The headlines in the links above say he died.
Different accident the one you're talking about was in Oxford his treestand collapsed
The one in twisp is he's still alive
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Ah. ty.
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Very sorry to read the circumstances of this accident. I think it's an automatic loss of license to accidentally shoot another person, at least I hope it is, we certainly don't need anyone out there who is capable of making this type of mistake. Best wishes to the victim, family, and friends for a better recovery than has been mentioned. Very sad deal...
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Update in the Methow Valley News.
http://methowvalleynews.com/2018/11/02/oct-20-shooting-incident-being-investigated-by-wdfw-as-an-assault/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2018/11/02/oct-20-shooting-incident-being-investigated-by-wdfw-as-an-assault/)
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"Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) police are investigating the incident as an assault, said Capt. Mike Jewell. “It’s not considered a hunting accident,” Jewell said."
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Wow
FWIW Capt Jewell seems like he’s a stand up guy and good at his job, from what I’ve seen on Northwest Law
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I'm quite confused at the "growling noises." Bizarre.
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Practical joke gone wrong is what it sounds like.
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:yeah: I was kinda thinking that.
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My guess is practical joke gone bad as well. I’m also thinking the reason they are looking at it as an assault is the shooter found out it was hunters messing with him and shot into the bushes anyway but where he thought it was safe. Maybe he didn’t know there were three hunters, saw one in orange and shot to the side of that orange. Sounds like the bullet richocheted and struck one of the hunters in the brush.
Terrible choices were made by all involved is my guess. Hopefully the victim recovers and many learn some valuable lessons.
Total speculation and certainly looking forward to hearing what the final story is.
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https://methowvalleynews.com/2019/02/06/wdfw-investigation-of-shooting-incident-finished/ (https://methowvalleynews.com/2019/02/06/wdfw-investigation-of-shooting-incident-finished/)
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Unbelievable! :bash:
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Bad deal all the way around.
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:o
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I feel bad for all involved in this. Originally I just thought the group was shooting into the bushes because they were moving a bit... but after reading that I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would rattle bushes and growl at people who have guns in a low light situation... you're literally playing russian roulette. I'm not saying the end result was justified in any way - it wasn't - but I'm just having a hard time grasping why you would do that in the first place.
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If one hears growling like a cougar from 46 feet in dusk conditions and bushes start shaking you may be 2 leaps from being mauled. Wrong to shoot but understandable. Not conceivable the action of hunters in the bushes.
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If you think sneaking up on someone you know is armed. In the dark, pretending to be a predator.....then get your pretending butt shot......well sorry but frankly you had it coming.
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I feel bad for all involved in this. Originally I just thought the group was shooting into the bushes because they were moving a bit... but after reading that I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would rattle bushes and growl at people who have guns in a low light situation... you're literally playing russian roulette. I'm not saying the end result was justified in any way - it wasn't - but I'm just having a hard time grasping why you would do that in the first place.
Stupid kid stuff gets his dad shot. I'm surprised that they are still looking at charges.
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I feel bad for all involved in this. Originally I just thought the group was shooting into the bushes because they were moving a bit... but after reading that I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would rattle bushes and growl at people who have guns in a low light situation... you're literally playing russian roulette. I'm not saying the end result was justified in any way - it wasn't - but I'm just having a hard time grasping why you would do that in the first place.
Stupid kid stuff gets his dad shot. I'm surprised that they are still looking at charges.
I'm sorry, but at 16 years old I knew better than to rattle bushes and growl at people carrying guns in the dark.
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:yeah: Absolutely I usually try to wave or signal make my presence known usually people will go elsewhere if they see you
Still Doesn't excuse anyone shooting into bushes
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I'm not so sure that he was "shooting into the bushes". The kid rattled the bushes and growled to give them a scare and the guy put one round in the noggin of what he thought was a cougar.
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This reminds me of those people who pull pranks by dressing up like an arab, dropping a backpack on the ground and then running off. Or, the ones who jump out at people walking along the street. Eventually they run into the wrong person.....
It's a shame all around!
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I'm not so sure that he was "shooting into the bushes". The kid rattled the bushes and growled to give them a scare and the guy put one round in the noggin of what he thought was a cougar.
Very well could be.
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Wow! Does anyone not agree that this entire situation could have been avoided with a little common sense from all parties involved? The kid shaking the bush made poor judgement. Pretty damn dumb. The guy who shot made poor judgement. I always stressed to my kid, once you pull that trigger, everything that bullet hits is yours!
This is sad, and this is scary. As dumb as it may have been to shake that bush and make noises, if that is what actually happened, it is still the responsibility of the shooter to know what the hell he is shooting at. Too me, that is non-excusable.
I don't hunt much anymore but, when I did, I hunted the the thick, nasty, brushy, crap, for deer. Loved it! But if I got shot because someone did not do what they should have been trained to do, which is identify your target, 100%, no doubt about it, then I would have been kind of bummed out.
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we were up that way
lots of guys
pretty damm stupid IMO to play lets see if we can scare them
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Wow! Does anyone not agree that this entire situation could have been avoided with a little common sense from all parties involved? The kid shaking the bush made poor judgement. Pretty damn dumb. The guy who shot made poor judgement. I always stressed to my kid, once you pull that trigger, everything that bullet hits is yours!
This is sad, and this is scary. As dumb as it may have been to shake that bush and make noises, if that is what actually happened, it is still the responsibility of the shooter to know what the hell he is shooting at. Too me, that is non-excusable.
I don't hunt much anymore but, when I did, I hunted the the thick, nasty, brushy, crap, for deer. Loved it! But if I got shot because someone did not do what they should have been trained to do, which is identify your target, 100%, no doubt about it, then I would have been kind of bummed out.
I agree with everything in this post. I think the shooter will end up being charged and paying a small fine. That will set him up for a civil case.
That said, I think the shooter would be wise not to plea it down and get this in front of a jury. I don't believe a jury would convict in this case. If those charges don't stick, he would be sitting in a much better position for the civil case.
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Wow! Does anyone not agree that this entire situation could have been avoided with a little common sense from all parties involved? The kid shaking the bush made poor judgement. Pretty damn dumb. The guy who shot made poor judgement. I always stressed to my kid, once you pull that trigger, everything that bullet hits is yours!
This is sad, and this is scary. As dumb as it may have been to shake that bush and make noises, if that is what actually happened, it is still the responsibility of the shooter to know what the hell he is shooting at. Too me, that is non-excusable.
I don't hunt much anymore but, when I did, I hunted the the thick, nasty, brushy, crap, for deer. Loved it! But if I got shot because someone did not do what they should have been trained to do, which is identify your target, 100%, no doubt about it, then I would have been kind of bummed out.
FWIW, I think most all agree it could have been avoided, but it wasn't, therefore the discussion.
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Wow! Does anyone not agree that this entire situation could have been avoided with a little common sense from all parties involved? The kid shaking the bush made poor judgement. Pretty damn dumb. The guy who shot made poor judgement. I always stressed to my kid, once you pull that trigger, everything that bullet hits is yours!
This is sad, and this is scary. As dumb as it may have been to shake that bush and make noises, if that is what actually happened, it is still the responsibility of the shooter to know what the hell he is shooting at. Too me, that is non-excusable.
I don't hunt much anymore but, when I did, I hunted the the thick, nasty, brushy, crap, for deer. Loved it! But if I got shot because someone did not do what they should have been trained to do, which is identify your target, 100%, no doubt about it, then I would have been kind of bummed out.
I agree with everything in this post. I think the shooter will end up being charged and paying a small fine. That will set him up for a civil case.
That said, I think the shooter would be wise not to plea it down and get this in front of a jury. I don't believe a jury would convict in this case. If those charges don't stick, he would be sitting in a much better position for the civil case.
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