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Title: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 12, 2019, 09:15:38 PM
A friend of mine is looking at buying a used truck, likes Fords in this year range and price range.  Curious what people's opinions and experience are with 6.0 Fords in this year range.   I know early 6.0's have gotten a bad rap, fairly regularly it seems. But you hear others who have had no issues regularly as well.  I have an 07 6.0, with 120,000 miles and it has been a great truck and no engine issues, but I cannot speak to early 6.0's.  Does anyone have any input?  Things to look for in trucks of this year range?

 
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: tritt007 on February 12, 2019, 09:35:49 PM
I have an 03 with 253xxx miles on it . Not studded . Just has egr delete and has had the oil cooler replaced and some other random mantinence. Great truck until the injectors recently started to go out . I think his best bet would be to find a later model 6.0 that has been bulletproofed with receipts and was more of a grampa truck . Not a punk kids diesel truck he just rodded around town and definitely stay away from trucks owned by people who log or have logged or work construction or rock quarries such as myself haha . Other than that I don't think they are bad trucks .and they are usually fairly cheaper than other model trucks so spring for the lariat package and all the works when looking for one . I'll never go back to cloth unheated seats
  :tup:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 12, 2019, 09:49:28 PM
I have an 04 with 150k. All bone stock. Never any problems. Yeah if your constantly pulling 12k and hammering it your gonna have problems and I wouldn’t recommend this truck if that’s the way you drive. Otherwise they aren’t as bad as most say. I won’t give up my 6.0 anytime soon. Tons of power and the gas mileage is phenomenal
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Smokepole on February 13, 2019, 04:35:38 AM
My 2005 has 190,000 miles on it, and has been dependable.  Had the oil cooler replaced and egr deleted.  Haven't had any problems with the head gaskets.  Original injectors.  Haven't done much else except change fluids, and drive it.

They say, "Drive it like you stole it", which I do from time to time.  Mostly, I don't push the truck too hard.  Hoping to get at least 500,000 on it before I need a new one.  One thing that really helps is a digital monitor mounted to the dash.  I have an Edge CS2.  You can set high-temp alarms and generally keep track of everything from ficm volts to oil temp.  Really helps you get to know these engines, since they don't have much for gauges.   
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: bear on February 13, 2019, 05:44:24 AM
Had an ‘06. Best truck I ever owned. Put an off road exhaust and an air intake on it early. Had the egr go out but under warranty. Deleted the egr at 90,000. Finally ended up selling it at about 120,000 cause I was afraid it was gonna give me trouble. Loved the way that truck drove though. Switched over to a Dirtymax.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 13, 2019, 07:56:28 AM
I have a 2003 6.0 with 111,000 miles.  No issues so far.
Title: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: dyhardhuntr on February 13, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
I have an 04 with 185k on it. I’ve done most of the normal stuff that goes out: oil cooler, egr cooler and such. If I keep it I’m going to have to do injectors as I’m having stiction issues but nothing I didn’t know when I got the truck. The 6.0 gets a lot of flack but it’s a great motor once the issues are fixed. You can probably find one that’s already had most of the work done for a good price. Also like others mentioned get some sort of monitoring system where you can see ficm voltage, oil temp, coolant temp and exhaust temp. I love my truck but the wife hates it because it’s too big for her to drive. Also if you find one for a good price you could bulletproof the motor and be good to go for years.


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Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: baker5150 on February 13, 2019, 08:53:12 AM
Owner of my company had one.  Did the head gaskets, turbo, studs, etc at about 90k.  Then blew the head gasket again at 174k.
No aftermarket chips or anything, and rarely towed with it.  Un real.

If he likes these model Fords just get one in a 7.3 and drive it for 500k. 

Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: 95powersmoker on February 13, 2019, 09:01:48 AM
Just ask your friend if he is a gambler. That or budget for repairs on those years of truck. I am a Ford Powerstroke guy through and through. I had many 7.3's, still have one even, but I skipped the 6.0 and 6.4 and recently bought a 6.7.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Special T on February 13, 2019, 09:03:49 AM
Imo there are 2 really bad design features on the 6.0L. The oil filter relocation is a must. Filtering oil depends upon 2 plastic tabs that go through a bunch of heat and cool cycles that can prevent filtering. $5 in parts can destroy a motor.
The 2nd is the oil cooler. The temp from your radiator will never be less than 190 so how much cooling do you think you will get from this matrix of cool and and oil? Probably works good in mild climates but not anyplace it gets hot.

The bullet proof products are the only way to stay legal for a commercial vehicle and fix the problems.

I've been told a big reason for turbo failure is the ease at which you can overheat the oil... and if it's not filtering correctly that doesnt help either.

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Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Blacktail135 on February 13, 2019, 09:05:50 AM
 If bone stock, get one with a round EGR cooler. Run away, fast, if it has the square EGR cooler. From my research, 2003's and some early 2004's had the round EGR coolers. My 2003 does. Keep the oil clean (injectors will love ya' for it). Don't back in to a big rock with the tailpipe. It'll push the exhaust system over in to the driveline and make a heck of a noise when the driveline starts turning again. Then you have to get on the muddy ground under truck and bend it back away with you're feet.  :chuckle: Mines a early 2003, 95,000, bone stock (except tires/wheels).
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
Any 6.0 from '03-07 can have EGR cooler issues. They don't all fail though either. The problem is when they do fail, they're expensive as hell to fix correctly. By fix correctly I mean replace the cooler, replace the oil cooler and do all the stuff with it while it's apart.
Head gaskets seem to not fail very commonly at all. I've always been told that if you're going to run a tune and allow the turbo to make more boost, there's no need to put head studs in it. If the head gaskets do blow, put ARP head studs in it while it's apart but don't bother unless it's apart.
Don't forget about FICM's failing on them too. They're not cheap either and they fail frequently.

We've done all of this stuff to 2 customer's trucks here that I can think of. Granted these folks have $$ and didn't mind spending it...it's not cheap. Really nice quality stuff and no issues installing any of it.

https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/BPD-heavy-duty-engine-oil-cooler-6-0L-upgrade-kit-p/bpd-eoc-bpof-heavy-duty.htm

https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/bulletproof-EGR-undelete-kit-ford-6-0L-diesel-p/bulletproof-egr-undelete.htm

https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/BPD-ford-6-0L-complete-FICM-p/bpdficmupgrade_complete.htm

Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: C-Money on February 13, 2019, 10:13:02 AM
Just dropped of a 06 with the 6.0 work rig at the shop this morning. Its been a real challenge to keep that thing on the road for any length of time without going in for repairs. For me on the 6.0...NO WAY! I know folks have had some good success with the 6.0, but I really have not, and I've been around a few of them. All have ended up costing a lot of $$ to keep running. I bought a F350 with the V-10 when I needed a new pickup. I wanted another diesel to replace my trusty 6.9, but did not want to go 6.0, so gladly chose a V-10. 10 years of regular maintenance, and zero issues. Glad I went with the V-10 and not a 6.0.  Hope your friend finds a great deal that fits his/her needs.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Special T on February 13, 2019, 10:18:37 AM
Just dropped of a 06 with the 6.0 work rig at the shop this morning. Its been a real challenge to keep that thing on the road for any length of time without going in for repairs. For me on the 6.0...NO WAY! I know folks have had some good success with the 6.0, but I really have not, and I've been around a few of them. All have ended up costing a lot of $$ to keep running. I bought a F350 with the V-10 when I needed a new pickup. I wanted a diesel, but did not want to go 6.0, so gladly chose a V-10. 10 years of regular maintenance, and zero issues. Glad I went with the V-10 and not a 6.0.  Hope your friend finds a great deal that fits his/her needs.
Imo the smart $ for a new rig is a gas one nowadays.

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Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2019, 11:57:00 AM
Also...


[/Rethinking the EGR Delete - What you need to know

The EGR delete has long been described as a solution to every 6.0L problem. Have a problem? Just delete it! If only life were that simple. Have you ever thought to consider WHY the EGR cooler fails? We did, and we know the answer. Do you?
b]

https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/Articles.asp?ID=368
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: coachcw on February 13, 2019, 12:24:19 PM
Most likely any thing he finds will already have had a bunch done to it . the key to the 6.0 is maintenance and never over heat it . id lean away from anything with deletes
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2019, 01:03:50 PM
I'm a 6.0 fan based on my experience with my '06 that I purchased new.  But I maintain it religiously and keep a hawk eye on my EOT/ECT deltas through a Scanguage II.  I have a Bulletproof EGR cooler and upgraded my FICM, and have replaced my oil cooler before it was absolutely required. Plenty of power stock, never needed more, so never felt the need for head studs.
I have heard the 03-04 were particularly prone to problems with the EGR cooler leaking, so if looking at those installing the aftermarket version would be a must for me.  Remember, too, that the 05 was the first year for coilover front suspension, and made a huge improvement in turning radius and ride quality.

If buying a 6.0 of any year, I would get a Scanguage and plug it in on the test drive.  Read FICM voltage, EOT and ECT.  That will tell you more about potential engine trouble brewing than anything else.
 :twocents:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: coachcw on February 13, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
also if looking at scan data look at icp % under normal driving you will see 25-40% and 80 % wot . if its running 50% right of idle you can expect a internal oil leak .
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 13, 2019, 04:01:54 PM
Simple answer is NO.  Better trucks out there.  Sorry but while some have good luck the truth is the reason they are cheaper is a good reason.  Ford should have lost legal battle and recalled every 6.0.  Good article...          https://www.drivingline.com/articles/73l-vs-60l-which-power-stroke-is-really-better/
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: G-S on February 13, 2019, 05:06:40 PM
I have an 04 f350 6.0 had it since 47k and currently has 197k love the truck never want to get rid of it. The most important thing about the 6.0 is maintenance of the cooling system. All of the problems i have had with mine were my fault. It is my daily driver now but has spent most of its life hooked to a trailer
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: bullfisher on February 13, 2019, 05:46:35 PM
I wouldn't drive a free 6.0. The risk is NOT worth the reward. Look at all the posts about how much people love the 6.0 after it's had a delete or a cooler redo or head gasket or injectors or a bullet proof blah, blah, blah. Ford makes a good truck, the 6.0 wasn't one of them. Sorry for the rant, but sugar coating that turd is a dis-service to diesel shoppers...  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2019, 06:49:58 PM
Have you owned one?
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2019, 07:23:25 PM
For some reason, rebuilding the front end  or replacing the injection pump or injectors of a Dodge every 12 months or mod’ing one out to the max is better than replacing an egr cooler in a powerstroke.
And I worked for dodge for 10 years. Don’t try and tell me they don’t have those problems.

Typical Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge debate.  That’s all it is.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 13, 2019, 08:24:09 PM
I wouldn't drive a free 6.0. The risk is NOT worth the reward. Look at all the posts about how much people love the 6.0 after it's had a delete or a cooler redo or head gasket or injectors or a bullet proof blah, blah, blah. Ford makes a good truck, the 6.0 wasn't one of them. Sorry for the rant, but sugar coating that turd is a dis-service to diesel shoppers...  :dunno:

How many 6.0s have you owned?? Seems like you must have a lot of experience
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 13, 2019, 08:24:49 PM
For some reason, rebuilding the front end  or replacing the injection pump or injectors of a Dodge every 12 months or mod’ing one out to the max is better than replacing an egr cooler in a powerstroke.
And I worked for dodge for 10 years. Don’t try and tell me they don’t have those problems.

Typical Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge debate.  That’s all it is.


 :dunno:  What are you mumbling about?  Where did Chevs and Dodges enter the conversation?   :jacked:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 13, 2019, 08:39:20 PM
Thanks for all the input everyone.  I appreciate all the good info that has been shared. I agree 100% routine maintenance goes a long way with diesels, or any rig for that matter.  Finding a truck that has not been worked hard or towed with regularly would definitely be ideal.  If it was me, I would be leaning towards holding out for a lower mileage 7.3.  A lot more 6.0's available though.   
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2019, 08:47:13 PM
For some reason, rebuilding the front end  or replacing the injection pump or injectors of a Dodge every 12 months or mod’ing one out to the max is better than replacing an egr cooler in a powerstroke.
And I worked for dodge for 10 years. Don’t try and tell me they don’t have those problems.

Typical Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge debate.  That’s all it is.


 :dunno:  What are you mumbling about?  Where did Chevs and Dodges enter the conversation?   :jacked:

Oh. The guys who are crapping on the 6.0’s are Cummins guys.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 13, 2019, 08:52:06 PM
For some reason, rebuilding the front end  or replacing the injection pump or injectors of a Dodge every 12 months or mod’ing one out to the max is better than replacing an egr cooler in a powerstroke.
And I worked for dodge for 10 years. Don’t try and tell me they don’t have those problems.

Typical Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge debate.  That’s all it is.


 :dunno:  What are you mumbling about?  Where did Chevs and Dodges enter the conversation?   :jacked:

Oh. The guys who are crapping on the 6.0’s are Cummins guys.


Hmmm OK.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Crunchy on February 13, 2019, 08:54:20 PM
I'm a cummins guy, but I like the Fords also.  23k on mine without a problem :chuckle:  Well occasionally the drivers seat moves slightly when giving her the juice, but I havent dug into that yet.  Each manufacturer has their weakness(es).
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Special T on February 13, 2019, 08:58:04 PM
For some reason, rebuilding the front end  or replacing the injection pump or injectors of a Dodge every 12 months or mod’ing one out to the max is better than replacing an egr cooler in a powerstroke.
And I worked for dodge for 10 years. Don’t try and tell me they don’t have those problems.

Typical Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge debate.  That’s all it is.
I've owned 5 dodge Cummins  and put a lot of miles on them. ALL common rail diesels should have a 2 stage fuel filter  down to 2 micron.  In line 6 motors have inherent longevity and the only motor I would consider otherwise is a 7.3... but we take what we can get and deal with the problems as they come.

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Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 13, 2019, 09:54:33 PM
Jackelope I must respectfully say this, Inline 6 diesel is head n shoulders above any V-8 and should not even be debated.  100% true.  I owned 7.3 Ford and loved it but the Cummins is far better.  I crap on 6.0 to save others the $ and headaches.  Newer ones all have emission fuel related issues.  Pre emission is 5.9 #1, 7.3 #2.  and Detroits the loudest!!!
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 13, 2019, 10:09:50 PM
Jackelope I must respectfully say this, Inline 6 diesel is head n shoulders above any V-8 and should not even be debated.  100% true.  I owned 7.3 Ford and loved it but the Cummins is far better.  I crap on 6.0 to save others the $ and headaches.  Newer ones all have emission fuel related issues.  Pre emission is 5.9 #1, 7.3 #2.  and Detroits the loudest!!!


My dads 5.9 Cummins has had far more problems than my 6.0. He’s spent over 12k just to keep it on the road and it only has 160k. My 6.0 has been flawless with over 150k
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 13, 2019, 11:55:19 PM
Good luck with the 6.0 FORd. What a turd. 3 different lucky people are dealing with them now. :bdid:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Skillet on February 14, 2019, 12:02:33 AM
It's always so interesting to me that a vast majority of the people who say the 6.0 trucks are worth the extra effort have actually owned them, and the vast majority of those that bag on them like it's a religion never have.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 12:14:39 AM
Good luck with the 6.0 FORd. What a turd. 3 different lucky people are dealing with them now. :bdid:


Again, have you owned one?
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 12:15:37 AM
It's always so interesting to me that a vast majority of the people who say the 6.0 trucks are worth the extra effort have actually owned them, and the vast majority of those that bag on them like it's a religion never have.


 :yeah:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 12:16:03 AM
Ask a normal diesel mechanic about the ford 6.0. Then ask the persons I gave each 1 to :bdid:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 12:17:39 AM
That’s what I thought  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 12:20:47 AM
3 lovely fords 6.0
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 12:27:37 AM
Good luck with your 6.0  fords.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 12:30:51 AM
Good luck with your 6.0  fords.


Thanks but don’t need any luck! All about maintenance just like with any other diesel
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: pup0025 on February 14, 2019, 12:38:22 AM
 I work for an extremely large shipping company.  The life expected out of the delivery trucks is 20 years.  The international t444e, basically a 7.3ps, made it to the 20 and some beyond.  The Cummins isb made it.  The international vt365, basically a 6.0ps,. Is not doing well at all.  It started with egr coolers and oil coolers.  Then it was IDM's which is a ficm.  Then injectors or high pressure oil branch tube o-rings. Turbo's cokeing up. The nail in the coffin was lifters failing.  The engine has to be removed to change the camshaft.  The trucks are 06 models, we had about 50 of them and have already started disposing of them.  They made it about 11 years.  We never had head gasket problems and I think it was because of our low hp ratings.  They are difficult for the ordinary guy to work on.  We went to GM 6.0 gas powered engines, so far so good. Except the mpg.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 12:47:59 AM
If you need a truck that keeps running stick with a ram that’s why we are running 6 rams daily and the 11 and 15 fords are parked till summer. The 6.0 fords have left for a reason they are garbage.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
If you need a truck that keeps running stick with a ram that’s why we are running 6 rams daily and the 11 and 15 fords are parked till summer. The 6.0 fords have left for a reason they are garbage.


 :chuckle:  :chuckle:. Now your comparing 11 and 15 fords? Good try. Again like I’ve said before own one before you start talking crap
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 01:04:57 AM
We still have those turds and they run 1 with a transmission rebuild. The     3      6.0 liter fords have a new home. Wait till yours won’t start when you fuel up . What a good motor the 6.0 is.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 01:10:38 AM
I’m not comparing we will never buy a FORd again from what works here.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 01:16:57 AM
If you need a truck that keeps running stick with a ram that’s why we are running 6 rams daily and the 11 and 15 fords are parked till summer. The 6.0 fords have left for a reason they are garbage.


 :chuckle:  :chuckle:. Now your comparing 11 and 15 fords? Good try. Again like I’ve said before own one before you start talking crap
you can’t be that stupid to think we haven’t paid a repair bill on a 6.0 Ford
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 01:20:47 AM
If you need a truck that keeps running stick with a ram that’s why we are running 6 rams daily and the 11 and 15 fords are parked till summer. The 6.0 fords have left for a reason they are garbage.


 :chuckle:  :chuckle:. Now your comparing 11 and 15 fords? Good try. Again like I’ve said before own one before you start talking crap
you can’t be that stupid to think we haven’t paid a repair bill on a 6.0 Ford


This is seriously the most amusing thread I have ever been a part of. Where did I say the business you work for hasn’t paid a repair bill for the 6.0? Now that’s stupidity. Maybe read before you comment  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 01:28:52 AM
I’m sure glad I don’t have to worry about a Ford 6.0 liter truck anymore. :sry:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 01:34:39 AM
The company I work for doesn’t pay for repairs on a 6 liter Ford any more   :yike:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 01:56:35 AM
The company I work for doesn’t pay for repairs on a 6 liter Ford any more   :yike:


Good for them  :tup:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 02:22:41 AM
I have an 04 with 150k. All bone stock. Never any problems. Yeah if your constantly pulling 12k and hammering it your gonna have problems and I wouldn’t recommend this truck if that’s the way you drive. Otherwise they aren’t as bad as most say. I won’t give up my 6.0 anytime soon. Tons of power and the gas mileage is phenomenal
a neighbor just brought home a load of hay with a RAM from soap lake. 35000 lbs and my dad followed him with a load. Neither a Ford.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 02:55:19 AM
Keep it coming !  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 14, 2019, 03:08:51 AM
I know it’s a almost funny but I still gave 3 different people a 6 liter so they could pay for the repairs  :bdid:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2019, 08:03:22 AM
Jackelope I must respectfully say this, Inline 6 diesel is head n shoulders above any V-8 and should not even be debated.  100% true.  I owned 7.3 Ford and loved it but the Cummins is far better.  I crap on 6.0 to save others the $ and headaches.  Newer ones all have emission fuel related issues.  Pre emission is 5.9 #1, 7.3 #2.  and Detroits the loudest!!!

I don't disagree with you at all. Especially on the older 5.9's. The Cummins is a better engine. But those trucks have other problems aside from engines. Transmission issues, front end issues, injectors, injection pumps...

It's funny though. My buddy owns a forestry business. He had a 2010 6.4 Powerstroke dually that had a lot of problems. He had a fuel tank in it and it was his daily driver. I will add that he was absolutely horrible about maintaining it. Like....30k mile oil change intervals. He blew the engine up in it down south somewhere. Paid a crap ton of money to replace the engine....then he blew it up again. We were able to warranty it. Soon after that he traded it in and bought a new Dodge Ram 3500 dually. Can't keep it out of the shop.

I'm not trying to argue here...all I'm saying is all these heavy duty pickups have issues. No brand loyalty here either...I drive a Jeep!! Don't tell anyone.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2019, 08:06:39 AM
Ask a normal diesel mechanic about the ford 6.0. Then ask the persons I gave each 1 to :bdid:

My lead diesel guy drives a 6.0. We work on 30 trucks a day here. No shortage of diesel trucks here!!
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 14, 2019, 08:37:19 AM
Good luck with your 6.0  fords.


Thanks but don’t need any luck! All about maintenance just like with any other diesel
All I can say is sell it JWEBB!  At 150k your time of good fortune is about complete buddy..  Not an opinion here but a fact.  Check out a Ford Diesel forum if ya have any questions about your future 6.0.  Auto trans?  Uh oh its time.  Turbo is tired now, uh oh.  Injectors, tubes and Inj pump, oh oh.  Might as well fix what Ford didn't do while your spending the cash.  Like head bolts that can handle the HP that Navstar/international did NOT DESIGN their engine to handle. Oh don't forget to egr delete so the toilet doesn't plug up and destroy itself!  Sorry but this is for your benefit not a loyalty thing.  I think the Superduty is a superior truck overall, minus the engine of course.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Skillet on February 14, 2019, 10:22:35 AM
You do realize that all of us happy 6.0 owners are laughing at how upset non-6.0 owners get over happy 6.0 owners?  It's like some people can't help themselves but to pop a vein over other people's success with these rigs.

Look, if you don't want to change the oil in your rig on schedule, if you don't want to put a little extra effort into owning a fantastic truck with a higher-maintenace engine, then feel free to spend twice as much on a lower-quality-build used duramax or cummins truck.  Or just buy a gasser.

Keeping a 6.0 on the road is easy with some care, if not cheap at the beginning. Upgrades are easily paid for by the discount you get buying a 6.0 vs cummins.  And as mentioned before, most have already had the EGR cooler and oil cooler done by now, so there's one less thing for you non-6.0 owners to get all worked up over.

But we really appreciate your concern for us!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Woodchuck on February 14, 2019, 10:33:20 AM
You do realize that all of us happy 6.0 owners are laughing at how upset non-6.0 owners get over happy 6.0 owners?  It's like some people can't help themselves but to pop a vein over other people's success with these rigs.

Look, if you don't want to change the oil in your rig on schedule, if you don't want to put a little extra effort into owning a fantastic truck with a higher-maintenace engine, then feel free to spend twice as much on a lower-quality-build used duramax or cummins truck.  Or just buy a gasser.

Keeping a 6.0 on the road is easy with some care, if not cheap at the beginning. Upgrades are easily paid for by the discount you get buying a 6.0 vs cummins.  And as mentioned before, most have already had the EGR cooler and oil cooler done by now, so there's one less thing for you non-6.0 owners to get all worked up over.

But we really appreciate your concern for us!   :chuckle:
HEY! Who are you callin lower quality Duramax?  :yike:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Skillet on February 14, 2019, 10:36:46 AM
 :chuckle:

I knew I'd probably crossed a line there!
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Woodchuck on February 14, 2019, 10:39:50 AM
:chuckle:

I knew I'd probably crossed a line there!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: 2MANY on February 14, 2019, 10:49:37 AM
Chipping a 6.0L turns it into a towing machine or a sports car that eats 5.0L Mustangs for diner.

Smoked horse meat is yummy.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
Good luck with your 6.0  fords.


Thanks but don’t need any luck! All about maintenance just like with any other diesel
All I can say is sell it JWEBB!  At 150k your time of good fortune is about complete buddy..  Not an opinion here but a fact.  Check out a Ford Diesel forum if ya have any questions about your future 6.0.  Auto trans?  Uh oh its time.  Turbo is tired now, uh oh.  Injectors, tubes and Inj pump, oh oh.  Might as well fix what Ford didn't do while your spending the cash.  Like head bolts that can handle the HP that Navstar/international did NOT DESIGN their engine to handle. Oh don't forget to egr delete so the toilet doesn't plug up and destroy itself!  Sorry but this is for your benefit not a loyalty thing.  I think the Superduty is a superior truck overall, minus the engine of course.

6+ years here and countless trucks... I've done head gaskets on 6.0's a few times on my team. Couldn't tell you how many 6.0's I've put through the shop. Hundreds for sure.... Anyone I've ever talked to who are in the industry say if you don't boost a 6.0 more than what it's supposed to be, head studs are not needed.
Fairly sure I've never replaced a transmission in one. I might have replaced a couple. Nothing for me to think is a major concern.


Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: DRobnsn on February 14, 2019, 12:09:26 PM
Chipping a 6.0L turns it into a towing machine or a sports car that eats 5.0L Mustangs for diner.

Smoked horse meat is yummy.

So that's how you get a 6.0 to pull something besides itself, I've always wondered... :chuckle:

J/K
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 14, 2019, 12:17:55 PM
Jackelope don't you work at a Dealership though?  After warranty you probably don't see many older rigs correct?  Or am I mistaken? :dunno:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 14, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
Here are the other people with great luck!!!  :chuckle: https://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-0l-problems-forum/
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Caseyd on February 14, 2019, 12:28:39 PM
Jackelope don't you work at a Dealership though?  After warranty you probably don't see many older rigs correct?  Or am I mistaken? :dunno:

Lots of fleets use dealership. I’d guess majority of their work is companies
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 14, 2019, 12:32:14 PM
Dunno but don't many lease and turn after aged?  Also many commercial 6.0 are detuned from regular consumer trucks right?  Like the vans?
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2019, 03:39:03 PM
Jackelope don't you work at a Dealership though?  After warranty you probably don't see many older rigs correct?  Or am I mistaken? :dunno:

I work at a fairly good sized Ford dealer. We usually write 40-60 vehicles a day. I don't think half is accurate but with the light rail project going here, I bet 25% of the vehicles we write are construction company and other fleet vehicles. We're not seeing a lot of 6.0's anymore, but I've been here for going on 7 years, so I've written a crap ton of 6.0 trucks. I just counted. I have 3 6.0L trucks in the shop right now. The average miles per vehicle month to date for me is 78,355 miles. I've written 74 repair orders this month without warranty work on them and 35 tickets that contained a warranty repair. This has been slow so far due to snowpocalypse 2019. So my point in all that is we do mostly non-warranty work.
The whole service dept has written 215 customer pay tickets and 102 repair orders with warranty work on them.

 
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2019, 03:40:28 PM
Dunno but don't many lease and turn after aged?  Also many commercial 6.0 are detuned from regular consumer trucks right?  Like the vans?

A couple of my construction companies age out their vehicles at 100k. Others are still running at 200k miles. Some age out on time, some on miles, some on condition. I'm not aware of any detuning.

PS we still do EGR coolers in 6.4's and 6.7's now and then. You don't have to lift the cab to do either 6.7 egr cooler.

Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 14, 2019, 03:53:36 PM
The E series ford 6.0 is a 235HP engine.  Like it was designed to be.  Basically Ford was selling a hopped up version which contributed to many of its issues I suspect.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 14, 2019, 04:44:28 PM
Boy I started quite the discussion  :chuckle:  Didn't really expect that!
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: DRobnsn on February 14, 2019, 04:48:44 PM
Boy I started quite the discussion  :chuckle:  Didn't really expect that!

 :chuckle: Don't worry, happens every year. Multiple times in a year if you include all the brands.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Mudman on February 14, 2019, 05:47:06 PM
 :yeah: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: colersu22 on February 14, 2019, 05:52:53 PM
I had an 04 f350 with the 6.0 that I sold with just under 200k and I bought it with just over 100k.  I had an injector go bad and replaced them all with dynamite diesel 100hp sticks.  I also had the egr cooler get clogged and I did the bulletproof delete kit.  Right before I sold it I had the HPOP go out and replaced it with a billet HPOP.  Besides the things that went bad I had installed an air intake, fass fuel kit, bigger turbo, 58v ficm, head studs, head gasket, sct tuner with custom tunes and had a straight pipe exhaust with a 6” single stack out of the bed.  Truck was also lifted 6” on 35’s and I averaged about 22 mpg in the city and 26 when I drove over east.  I honestly miss the truck and regret selling it and have thought about picking up another one but would want one that someone else put the money into it first.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: JWEBB on February 14, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
Good luck with your 6.0  fords.


Thanks but don’t need any luck! All about maintenance just like with any other diesel
All I can say is sell it JWEBB!  At 150k your time of good fortune is about complete buddy..  Not an opinion here but a fact.  Check out a Ford Diesel forum if ya have any questions about your future 6.0.  Auto trans?  Uh oh its time.  Turbo is tired now, uh oh.  Injectors, tubes and Inj pump, oh oh.  Might as well fix what Ford didn't do while your spending the cash.  Like head bolts that can handle the HP that Navstar/international did NOT DESIGN their engine to handle. Oh don't forget to egr delete so the toilet doesn't plug up and destroy itself!  Sorry but this is for your benefit not a loyalty thing.  I think the Superduty is a superior truck overall, minus the engine of course.

Thanks for the insight and I know you mean well from your experience. Honestly though I think your are right that I should sell my 6.0. Cuz we have a 3rd kid on the way and I need to lose the super cab and buy a 6.0 crew cab  :chuckle:. Gonna start looking soon. Only 3 months to go
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Smokepole on February 15, 2019, 04:40:36 AM
For some reason, rebuilding the front end  or replacing the injection pump or injectors of a Dodge every 12 months or mod’ing one out to the max is better than replacing an egr cooler in a powerstroke.
And I worked for dodge for 10 years. Don’t try and tell me they don’t have those problems.

Typical Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge debate.  That’s all it is.

I agree.  I put 190,000 miles on my 2005 front end.  Finally had to replace 2 tie rod ends.  Haven't had any trouble with suspension at all, and have used the truck for a lot of towing.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
The only thing worse than dodge ford and chevrolet brand loyalty is polaris , skidoo and arctic cat  loyalty ! honestly every brand has there own set of issues . find one that's been maintained or updated and run with it . bottom line is smokers are expensive to operate  its the price you pay for hauling all your crap over the mountains at 70mph.
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: Caseyd on February 15, 2019, 07:39:38 PM
The only thing worse than dodge ford and chevrolet brand loyalty is polaris , skidoo and arctic cat  loyalty ! honestly every brand has there own set of issues . find one that's been maintained or updated and run with it . bottom line is smokers are expensive to operate  its the price you pay for hauling all your crap over the mountains at 70mph.

Watch out for those cat guys, their weird  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2003-2004 6.0 Ford Diesels
Post by: dyhardhuntr on February 16, 2019, 08:31:24 AM
I enjoy reading the back and forth. It cracks me up. There are a lot of 6.0 haters out there. They definitely do not have a good reputation. I love my truck but I’ve done a lot of upgrades to it. BUT like others have said EVERY brand has their issues. Dodge has front end, injectors and high psi pump issues along with their electronics. Chevy has front wheel bearings, injectors high psi injection pumps, head gaskets, water pumps, etc. Ford... well we’ve covered that. Lol. If you can find a truck that hasn’t been used to tow a lot and has been maintained well you are good to go. Good luck!


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