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Title: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: bbarnes on April 16, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
I attended the meeting at Cowlitz expo this evening ,and WDFWs wolf expert was there.She revealed that on May 1 st she will make the announcement,about there plans.i ask what the WDFW s budget was for wolfs,she didn't know but said she would call me and let me know.Also the number of wolfs in the state surprised me ,and I don't want them where I'm hunting,there's already a preditor problem in the state.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 16, 2019, 10:53:59 PM
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Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: fowl smacker on April 17, 2019, 04:39:16 AM
I love it how they can't answer a question head on at these meetings.  When Cindy Lefleur was in charge, I don't think she was able to answer about 20 questions at a fishing meeting. 
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 17, 2019, 05:21:10 AM
I hope they go right in on Capitol Hill
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: fireweed on April 17, 2019, 07:52:33 AM
She said that their will be an Environmental Impact Study on translocation of wolves (moving wolves from east to west side).  The scoping part of the EIS will begin May 1.  According to her, the legislature and the wolf management plan directed that if the current situation (wolves concentrated in one part of state--not in other parts) develops, translocation must be studied...but don't worry, wolves really don't hurt populations of deer/elk/moose overall...just in localized areas...
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: buglebrush on April 17, 2019, 08:18:06 AM
Such a terrible idea to help them spread.   :yike: :bdid:

We need to be suppressing them, not helping them infest the entire West!   :bash:
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2019, 08:22:05 AM
Such a terrible idea to help them spread.   :yike: :bdid:

We need to be suppressing them, not helping them infest the entire West!   :bash:
Dumbocrats  :bash:
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: timberfaller on April 17, 2019, 09:02:32 AM
"but don't worry, wolves really don't hurt populations of deer/elk/moose overall...just in localized areas..."

Funny how liberals can't grasp the concept, LISTEN to what YOU say!! Then repeat it back to your self sloooooooowly!

If that is a comment from her,  AOC is far brighter then she!! :yike: :yike:
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Tbar on April 17, 2019, 09:04:53 AM
Such a terrible idea to help them spread.   :yike: :bdid:

We need to be suppressing them, not helping them infest the entire West!   :bash:
Dumbocrats  :bash:
This is Kretz's baby.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: fireweed on April 17, 2019, 09:35:58 AM
"but don't worry, wolves really don't hurt populations of deer/elk/moose overall...just in localized areas..."

Funny how liberals can't grasp the concept, LISTEN to what YOU say!! Then repeat it back to your self sloooooooowly!

If that is a comment from her,  AOC is far brighter then she!! :yike: :yike:
It's basically what she said: there are still tons of elk in the Rockies and any impacts are 're-balancing' the previous overpopulation of elk such as at Yellowstone.  Population declines due to wolves are localized.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: buckfvr on April 17, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Such a terrible idea to help them spread.   :yike: :bdid:

We need to be suppressing them, not helping them infest the entire West!   :bash:
Dumbocrats  :bash:
This is Kretz's baby.

We all know they cant hear us screaming in the north east corner, in Olympia......Plan is, the screaming from the west side will be much louder and just maybe something will get done.  As with everything in this state, if it doesnt happen on the west side, it simply isnt happening.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Humptulips on April 17, 2019, 10:55:35 AM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 17, 2019, 10:57:00 AM
What's your solution
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 11:19:25 AM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

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Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: hunter399 on April 17, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
MISERY LOVES COMPANY :chuckle: :chuckle:
You all know there has to be so many breeding pairs on both sides of state .Yet when it is affecting you or wet side of the state.You have a problem.Honest I don't care where they move them , just get them out of NE Washington..One less wolf in NE Washington benefits us.The way I hear a few of you crying right now tells me the voice against wolves will be louder when wolves hit the wet side.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2019, 11:47:53 AM
Kretz's idea was that if we put wolves in the most populated 1/3 of the state two things will happen. 1. that population will finally have skin in the game and may not end up liking it, and 2. creating new wolf packs in the west will bring the outrageous wolf plan closer to completion, therefor allowing management. I don't want them anywhere but what I have to say doesn't count. If this plan helps the people of the NE part of the state be able to manage wolves sooner, drop 'em in my backyard. I'm sure they'll have a field day with hoof diseased animals in this neck of the woods.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: buckfvr on April 17, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

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Be sure of one thing.......as soon as they start eating the Indians deer/elk, the tribes will be on it.  I really dont care who gets to hunt them so long as they get hunted.....Id like to notch a tag myself, but will settle for the tribes having a 24/7 state wide.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 12:18:53 PM
MISERY LOVES COMPANY :chuckle: :chuckle:
You all know there has to be so many breeding pairs on both sides of state .Yet when it is affecting you or wet side of the state.You have a problem.Honest I don't care where they move them , just get them out of NE Washington..One less wolf in NE Washington benefits us.The way I hear a few of you crying right now tells me the voice against wolves will be louder when wolves hit the wet side.


Who's crying?

Not sure if you're talking about Humptulips. If you are, you should reread what he said. All he's saying is moving some wolves out of NE WA isn't going to make a difference, and he's right.
 
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Jake Dogfish on April 17, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
What's your solution
There is no solution.  This plan was purposely designed to be divisive within the hunting community.  There is no alternative to it.  Wolves should be transported immediately to the westside. Only then can management begin.
  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, itís the only way for non hunters to get the message.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: buckfvr on April 17, 2019, 12:51:16 PM
MISERY LOVES COMPANY :chuckle: :chuckle:
You all know there has to be so many breeding pairs on both sides of state .Yet when it is affecting you or wet side of the state.You have a problem.Honest I don't care where they move them , just get them out of NE Washington..One less wolf in NE Washington benefits us.The way I hear a few of you crying right now tells me the voice against wolves will be louder when wolves hit the wet side.


Who's crying?

Not sure if you're talking about Humptulips. If you are, you should reread what he said. All he's saying is moving some wolves out of NE WA isn't going to make a difference, and he's right.

How can he or you, for that matter be right when its wdfw criteria for changing management plan ......Get wolves over there like we have them over here and stuff will happen.....your opinion is only that.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2019, 12:51:40 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2019, 12:52:31 PM
MISERY LOVES COMPANY :chuckle: :chuckle:
You all know there has to be so many breeding pairs on both sides of state .Yet when it is affecting you or wet side of the state.You have a problem.Honest I don't care where they move them , just get them out of NE Washington..One less wolf in NE Washington benefits us.The way I hear a few of you crying right now tells me the voice against wolves will be louder when wolves hit the wet side.


Who's crying?

Not sure if you're talking about Humptulips. If you are, you should reread what he said. All he's saying is moving some wolves out of NE WA isn't going to make a difference, and he's right.

How can he or you, for that matter be right when its wdfw criteria for changing management plan ......Get wolves over there like we have them over here and stuff will happen.....your opinion is only that.

That's the plan.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: bbarnes on April 17, 2019, 01:41:18 PM
I guess it's time you key board warriors start showing up,making phone calls, and stop buying there broken product.IT TAKES MASSIVE ACTION NOT TYPING ON THESE SIGHTS.Im personal tired of doing all the leg work, and going to these meetings,if no one else is going to show up,Also this was passes by BOTH PARTIES ,at the house and senate,it just wasn't a demacrate deal.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 01:48:53 PM
MISERY LOVES COMPANY :chuckle: :chuckle:
You all know there has to be so many breeding pairs on both sides of state .Yet when it is affecting you or wet side of the state.You have a problem.Honest I don't care where they move them , just get them out of NE Washington..One less wolf in NE Washington benefits us.The way I hear a few of you crying right now tells me the voice against wolves will be louder when wolves hit the wet side.


Who's crying?

Not sure if you're talking about Humptulips. If you are, you should reread what he said. All he's saying is moving some wolves out of NE WA isn't going to make a difference, and he's right.

How can he or you, for that matter be right when its wdfw criteria for changing management plan ......Get wolves over there like we have them over here and stuff will happen.....your opinion is only that.

They can already be managed on a state level in the northeast and the state doesn't do squat. They're federally delisted in the eastern 1/3 of the state.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 01:54:11 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?


Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 17, 2019, 02:05:28 PM
If they're going to go anywhere, I say drop them where hoof rot is the worst.  Wolves have been proven to be great disease killers in Alaska.  Maybe our hoof rot issues can start to decline here.

I can't wait for them to be on the west side.  About time we get permission to manage those things!
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Humptulips on April 17, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
What's your solution
There is no solution.  This plan was purposely designed to be divisive within the hunting community.  There is no alternative to it.  Wolves should be transported immediately to the westside. Only then can management begin.
  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, itís the only way for non hunters to get the message.

If they're going to go anywhere, I say drop them where hoof rot is the worst.  Wolves have been proven to be great disease killers in Alaska.  Maybe our hoof rot issues can start to decline here.

I can't wait for them to be on the west side.  About time we get permission to manage those things!

You do realize that the State does not have the power to manage wolves on the west side?
They are federally listed in the western 2/3rds of the State. Even the tribes cannot over ride that.
The hunting already sucks over here from all the cougar. When we add the wolves on top of that I expect all the Eastern WA hunters to greet the west siders with open arms because this will drive a lot more your way.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: fireweed on April 17, 2019, 02:47:09 PM
What's your solution
There is no solution.  This plan was purposely designed to be divisive within the hunting community.  There is no alternative to it.  Wolves should be transported immediately to the westside. Only then can management begin.
  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, itís the only way for non hunters to get the message.

Only then can management begin...after a decade or two of lawsuits.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Bango skank on April 17, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
What's your solution

  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, itís the only way for non hunters to get the message.

Give me a tranq gun and a covered trailer
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 03:11:04 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.

And all I meant by my comment is that just because we meet the requirements of the wolf plan, do you really think this state will ever allow wolf hunting? Or any kind of management at all aside from shooting an occasional livestock killing wolf? That doesn't do jack.  Like fireweed said....after 10-20 years of lawsuits maybe then but even then I doubt it. Who knows...hopefully I'm wrong.  Moving wolves won't help anything. I don't care where you're from. Bring them on...let's have them over here...but it won't make a difference. If it would, we'd already see it in the eastern 1/3 of the state. It's doable...the state just won't do it.

Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
What's your solution
There is no solution.  This plan was purposely designed to be divisive within the hunting community.  There is no alternative to it.  Wolves should be transported immediately to the westside. Only then can management begin.
  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, it’s the only way for non hunters to get the message.

If they're going to go anywhere, I say drop them where hoof rot is the worst.  Wolves have been proven to be great disease killers in Alaska.  Maybe our hoof rot issues can start to decline here.

I can't wait for them to be on the west side.  About time we get permission to manage those things!

You do realize that the State does not have the power to manage wolves on the west side?
They are federally listed in the western 2/3rds of the State. Even the tribes cannot over ride that.
The hunting already sucks over here from all the cougar. When we add the wolves on top of that I expect all the Eastern WA hunters to greet the west siders with open arms because this will drive a lot more your way.

People don't realize this. Or they don't think about it. It's all knee jerk reaction stuff. The state can't do diddly UNTIL THE FED'S DELIST.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.

And all I meant by my comment is that just because we meet the requirements of the wolf plan, do you really think this state will ever allow wolf hunting? Or any kind of management at all aside from shooting an occasional livestock killing wolf? That doesn't do jack.  Like fireweed said....after 10-20 years of lawsuits maybe then but even then I doubt it. Who knows...hopefully I'm wrong.  Moving wolves won't help anything. I don't care where you're from. Bring them on...let's have them over here...but it won't make a difference. If it would, we'd already see it in the eastern 1/3 of the state. It's doable...the state just won't do it.

Wolves should be delisted nationally very soon. As far as whether I think wolves will ever be hunted here, I have serious doubts. However, it certainly won't happen before the outrageous wolf plan goals are met. Let's get the plan completed and then, we at least have a case for management and their full recovery.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Humptulips on April 17, 2019, 04:20:56 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.

And all I meant by my comment is that just because we meet the requirements of the wolf plan, do you really think this state will ever allow wolf hunting? Or any kind of management at all aside from shooting an occasional livestock killing wolf? That doesn't do jack.  Like fireweed said....after 10-20 years of lawsuits maybe then but even then I doubt it. Who knows...hopefully I'm wrong.  Moving wolves won't help anything. I don't care where you're from. Bring them on...let's have them over here...but it won't make a difference. If it would, we'd already see it in the eastern 1/3 of the state. It's doable...the state just won't do it.

Wolves should be delisted nationally very soon. As far as whether I think wolves will ever be hunted here, I have serious doubts. However, it certainly won't happen before the outrageous wolf plan goals are met. Let's get the plan completed and then, we at least have a case for management and their full recovery.
I wish I was that optimistic.
I'm sure that is number one on Patty and Maria's agenda.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: bbarnes on April 17, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
Time to start hanging meat balls with treble hooks from the trees that delists them!!!!
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: KFhunter on April 17, 2019, 04:57:39 PM
I'm all for it. 

We've got plenty to choose from, but I think ya'll be getting the cattle eaters because WDFW isn't going to transplant the ones that are "doing it right".

1) you got hoof rot bad, wolves will cure that - its the one time they really will go after the sick and injured first
2) wolves will get there all by themselves, but E/WA will suffer longer while they get there "naturally"
3) E/WA wolves were protected federally too, if they take off in W/WA (and they will) then all of WA will be de-listed. 
4) Wolves will start eating pets and livestock in the small micro farms and hobby ranches scattered througout the valleys outside Seattle area and that will get far more attention than something clear across the state. 

Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2019, 10:00:51 PM

4) Wolves will start eating pets and livestock in the small micro farms and hobby ranches scattered througout the valleys outside Seattle area and that will get far more attention than something clear across the state.

Sorry but this one cracks me up.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Special T on April 17, 2019, 10:38:11 PM

4) Wolves will start eating pets and livestock in the small micro farms and hobby ranches scattered througout the valleys outside Seattle area and that will get far more attention than something clear across the state.

Sorry but this one cracks me up.
Because  its true!

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Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Special T on April 17, 2019, 10:44:36 PM
What's your solution
There is no solution.  This plan was purposely designed to be divisive within the hunting community.  There is no alternative to it.  Wolves should be transported immediately to the westside. Only then can management begin.
  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, itís the only way for non hunters to get the message.

People do post solutions on here so Ill give you 2.

Do something about getting wolves de-listed across the nation.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,237715.0.html

encourage this outfit to do something with the Colville on the north half.
https://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/Reimbursement
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: grundy53 on April 18, 2019, 04:54:58 AM
You guys are kidding yourselves if you think that A) we will ever be hunting them legally in Washington. Or B) that the state will manage them.

They barely let us hunt cougars and they are legal to hunt. Their predator management is a joke. Wolves on the westside isn't going to magically change that.

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Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 18, 2019, 05:54:08 AM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.

And all I meant by my comment is that just because we meet the requirements of the wolf plan, do you really think this state will ever allow wolf hunting? Or any kind of management at all aside from shooting an occasional livestock killing wolf? That doesn't do jack.  Like fireweed said....after 10-20 years of lawsuits maybe then but even then I doubt it. Who knows...hopefully I'm wrong.  Moving wolves won't help anything. I don't care where you're from. Bring them on...let's have them over here...but it won't make a difference. If it would, we'd already see it in the eastern 1/3 of the state. It's doable...the state just won't do it.

Wolves should be delisted nationally very soon. As far as whether I think wolves will ever be hunted here, I have serious doubts. However, it certainly won't happen before the outrageous wolf plan goals are met. Let's get the plan completed and then, we at least have a case for management and their full recovery.
I wish I was that optimistic.
I'm sure that is number one on Patty and Maria's agenda.

Patty and Maria will have little to do with national delisting and nothing to do with what happens inside our state government.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Special T on April 18, 2019, 07:13:08 AM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.

And all I meant by my comment is that just because we meet the requirements of the wolf plan, do you really think this state will ever allow wolf hunting? Or any kind of management at all aside from shooting an occasional livestock killing wolf? That doesn't do jack.  Like fireweed said....after 10-20 years of lawsuits maybe then but even then I doubt it. Who knows...hopefully I'm wrong.  Moving wolves won't help anything. I don't care where you're from. Bring them on...let's have them over here...but it won't make a difference. If it would, we'd already see it in the eastern 1/3 of the state. It's doable...the state just won't do it.

Wolves should be delisted nationally very soon. As far as whether I think wolves will ever be hunted here, I have serious doubts. However, it certainly won't happen before the outrageous wolf plan goals are met. Let's get the plan completed and then, we at least have a case for management and their full recovery.
I wish I was that optimistic.
I'm sure that is number one on Patty and Maria's agenda.

Patty and Maria will have little to do with national delisting and nothing to do with what happens inside our state government.
Which is why Tribes will provide our only relief. Even then it will mostly help Eastern Wa since wolves are site hunters.

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Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: fireweed on April 18, 2019, 09:06:08 AM
We are an initiative away from "no wolf hunting ever".  According the the wolf Bio at the meeting, elk are doing fine in the Rockies.  What we hunters know is that elk are starting to rebound in places like Idaho with aggressive state management of wolves (and they allow hound hunting, too, for other predators). 

But here--won't happen.  There will be no wolf hunting, adding to the cougar/bear situation.  Kiss the elk hunting goodbye...
Any survivors will be huddled up in our yards like they are on the Banff and Yellowstone, hoping the wolves are still afraid of people.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2019, 10:02:20 AM

4) Wolves will start eating pets and livestock in the small micro farms and hobby ranches scattered througout the valleys outside Seattle area and that will get far more attention than something clear across the state.

Sorry but this one cracks me up.
Because  its true!

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Wolves won't attack kale!!

All the dairy farms in my valley are gone. They're all duck leases now.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2019, 10:03:44 AM
Well maybe Seattle wolves will attack kale.
I dunno...
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: KB88 on April 18, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
Well maybe Seattle wolves will attack kale.
I dunno...

Or the heroine addicts that plague the town
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: NOCK NOCK on April 18, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
What's your solution

  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, itís the only way for non hunters to get the message.

Give me a tranq gun and a covered trailer



That sounds like fun, Iím in.........Iíve got a covered trailer.....but, youíll have to hold my beer when I open it to do the release.   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.
Man pianoman I'm glad we have a resident wolf expert like you here. Also your insight into political intent is second to none.  You really have the inside track on this.  Thanks for being such a resource.

On the flip side I've seen a lot of celebration on this idea moving forward from the west side of the state.  I think you'll see welcoming parties before protests.  Just my  :twocents: though.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 18, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
Tbar, quit being a troll. Voice an opinion on it or don't. But going after others for no reason is childish. Grow up.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Jake Dogfish on April 18, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
I think Pianoman is right on this one.  I do think the commission plans on managing the Wolves once they meet the criteria for delisting.  Wether we will get to that point, and what will change by then?  :dunno:  I donít see any other options.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago  :chuckle:



They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA. 
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: wolfbait on April 18, 2019, 01:42:37 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.


Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2019, 02:41:51 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.


Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

There is already a newly confirmed pack on the west side.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 18, 2019, 02:42:55 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.


Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

 :yeah:
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Humptulips on April 18, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago  :chuckle:



They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA.
Sorry, I don't see wolves making an impact on the vast majority of voters. Sure it will affect wildlife but who cares except a few hunters. That is a pretty small minority anymore.
I don't really see that much economic impact to W WA. Not a lot of ranchers here.  Even when the wolves pick off a few hobby farm animals State officials will throw up their hands and say "Well, they are Federally listed so out of our hands, Too bad, so sorry, tough luck!
And to be honest I don't see wolves expanding very fast here on the Peninsula at least. We're already in a predator pit.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 18, 2019, 02:46:20 PM
I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.


Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

 :yeah:

I believe it's a legislative mandate. The bill passed which lays out this plan. I doubt Kretz ever thought it would pass and I also doubt the Ds who voted for it understood exactly what it meant.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2019, 02:47:37 PM
get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago  :chuckle:



They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA. 

I believe you...I'm not sure they'll survive over here close to the more populated areas though. Even as close to Seattle as me(30-ish miles I think) where there is larger tracts of woods they might survive, but I don't see them living in Redmond or the like. Cascade foothills, sure. Olympics, yep. SW WA around Mt St Helens or the Goat Rocks or something like that for sure, but that's all big woods, timber, national forest, wilderness, etc. Don't forget with all this generalized west side talk, there is crap tons of wooded and wild land over here too.

 
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 18, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago  :chuckle:



They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA. 

I believe you...I'm not sure they'll survive over here close to the more populated areas though. Even as close to Seattle as me(30-ish miles I think) where there is larger tracts of woods they might survive, but I don't see them living in Redmond or the like. Cascade foothills, sure. Olympics, yep. SW WA around Mt St Helens or the Goat Rocks or something like that for sure, but that's all big woods, timber, national forest, wilderness, etc. Don't forget with all this generalized west side talk, there is crap tons of wooded and wild land over here too.

They'll survive just about anywhere if no one's killing them. If there's no wildlife, they kill stock. If there's no stock, they'll kill domestic pets, eat garbage, or eventually attack people if they have no reason to fear them. Grey wolves are one of the most adaptive predators on the planet.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2019, 03:04:01 PM
The Coyote is the bench mark gold standard for adaptability, the gray wolf isn't far behind.  Think on that.






Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: rainshadow1 on April 18, 2019, 03:18:54 PM
The Earth Muffins hate it, but there's a reason all the literature of old, the Bible, etc, ALWAYS depicted the Wolf as a pestilence. An evil. Destruction. They just are. Earth Muffins want a wilderness environmental image without Man in it, but the fact is, we live here, and very little Man is involved in is simpatico with a thriving Wolf population!

They were eliminated - on purpose - by the old timers.

I don't agree with eradication. I'd like to see or hear one on rare occasions. But severely limited population and an extreme fear of man are definitely an essential part of rural life with Wolves.

When it comes right down to it, the city dwellers aren't relevant.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2019, 04:24:18 PM
Shoot on sight 24/7 365 and they'd still survive just fine, and might just be all the better for it.

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Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2019, 06:06:12 PM
The reality is Kretz got played.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2019, 06:14:12 PM
The reality is Kretz got played.



Do elaborate?

 


Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 18, 2019, 07:22:26 PM
get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago  :chuckle:



They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA.
Sorry, I don't see wolves making an impact on the vast majority of voters. Sure it will affect wildlife but who cares except a few hunters. That is a pretty small minority anymore.
I don't really see that much economic impact to W WA. Not a lot of ranchers here.  Even when the wolves pick off a few hobby farm animals State officials will throw up their hands and say "Well, they are Federally listed so out of our hands, Too bad, so sorry, tough luck!
And to be honest I don't see wolves expanding very fast here on the Peninsula at least. We're already in a predator pit.
:yeah:I'd guess if anything the city folks will get swayed even more toward some positive vibe of wolves.  Some socialist non-profits will fund documentaries that Pugetropolis will watch and get cuddlies from.  Probably be all kinds of news articles that will praise wolf returns and gloss over the damages.  It's kind of like all those documentaries and articles about the Elwha dam removal leading people to think removing derelict dams has brought back all kinds of major salmon runs and made the park flourish again.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: Tbar on April 19, 2019, 08:13:52 AM
The majority of buzz is positive. As put the "Eco-freaks" could not have written a better plan and probably had an influence on this one.  I think for the most part the whole thing is hype and will waste a bunch of money planning for something that probably won't happen. But..... If it does happen the extreme crowd will be happy and the same lobbys and organizations that largely support Kretz will be all hands on deck trying to protect their rural producers and constituent base that will feel the greatest impact. The fido argument holds no water, however the tourism to rural communities platform is already being presented(with validity). 
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 19, 2019, 09:10:10 AM
A while back a school did a study about he tourism claims and found many are very slanted.  Millions were visiting Yellowstone anyways and they just pass around a questionnaire about wanting to see wolves, which people just checked as an ancillary interest--even though they were more likely wanting to see Old Faithful, see some 'animals' and drive in a historic park.  I recall there were only about twenty people over the same number of years that specifically went to/are going to Yellowstone primarily for wolves.  Tens of thousands of elk hunters were going to the greater Yellowstone area for elk and had a real tourist economic affect on the area.
Title: Re: May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington
Post by: JakeLand on April 22, 2019, 06:13:01 AM
MISERY LOVES COMPANY :chuckle: :chuckle:
You all know there has to be so many breeding pairs on both sides of state .Yet when it is affecting you or wet side of the state.You have a problem.Honest I don't care where they move them , just get them out of NE Washington..One less wolf in NE Washington benefits us.The way I hear a few of you crying right now tells me the voice against wolves will be louder when wolves hit the wet side.
Uhhhhh was theyíre here ! And have been for awhile  :bash: